Thank you Harvady.
Apologies Nectar but I do not know when Tyrano will be on again and I do not want to risk ending this day in a no lynch. If you have a plan you can write it down in your Quicktopic. I'm lynching you in 10 minutes.
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I cannot wait to read these quicktopics...
Vote: Nectar
Tyrano, are you willing to die if it'd help the Mafia?
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I meant Town, my bad.
In what way?
Killed by Mafia? Lynched? Or is it something you guys can do?
I think every players should be ready to die at some point
But as I've said on earlier days, yes I'm ready to accept death but I won't help in any way so that others can achieve it.
And now that I've got a power role the will to live has increased.
Why did you ask?
LYNCH STATUS: With twelve players, it takes seven votes to lynch.
Nectar [[COLOR=#ff0000]7]: Kubihige, Harvady Alumnus, Wooden_Giraffe, benjamminbrown, Huschel******, SpaceCowboy************, Outerspec****** ****SpaceCowboy [3]: Nectar, Foolio, Tyrano
**Not Voting [2]: Gerri, Holygamer999
Lynch has been achieved.******
LYNCH STATUS: With twelve players, it takes seven votes to lynch.
Nectar [[COLOR=#ff0000]7]: Kubihige, Harvady Alumnus, Wooden_Giraffe, benjamminbrown, Huschel******, SpaceCowboy************, Outerspec****** ****SpaceCowboy [3]: Nectar, Foolio, Tyrano
**Not Voting [2]: Gerri, Holygamer999Lynch has been achieved.******
Wait what?
Is it a mistake or did the night shift not start?
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Also, you might want to empty your Inbox.
I need to ask a question regarding a subject in Day 3 i might have not understood completely
Are you Robots lynch proof, too?
Why didn't you say so?
Guys the entire point of Bogart's post was to indicate that the day is over and that no talking is allowed.
The fact that he did not announce the beginning of the night phase means he probably will come back and edit his post when he has more time.
Oh, I see. My bad.
LYNCH STATUS: With twelve players, it takes seven votes to lynch.
Nectar [[COLOR=#ff0000]7]: Kubihige, Harvady Alumnus, Wooden_Giraffe, benjamminbrown, Huschel, SpaceCowboy, Outerspec
SpaceCowboy [3]: Nectar, Foolio, Tyrano
Not Voting [2]: Gerri, Holygamer999
Nectar has been lynched. He was a ROBOT_. He had two special abilities.
-He was bulletproof
-Once per night he could select a target. That target would be roboticized, becoming a Cyborg
He won when at least one robot was left alive and all other players were Cyborgs._
Day Four has ended. Night Four has begun. You have 48 hours. **(Day Four may begin earlier if all Night Actions are resolved)**
Night Four has Ended.
Players Still Alive
1. Holygamer999
2. Tyrano
3. Outerspec
4. Gerri
5. Wooden_Giraffe
6. benjamminbrown
7. Huschel
8 SpaceCowboy
9. Harvady Alumnus
Foolio has been killed. He was a ROBOT. He had two special abilities.
-He was bulletproof
-Once per night he could select a target. That target would be roboticized, becoming a Cyborg. He won when at least one robot was left alive and all other players were Cyborgs.
Kubihige has been killed. He was a Mafia Roleblocker. Once per night he could select a target. That target could not use any abilities, if applicable. He won when the Mafia became the majority.
LYNCH STATUS: With nine players, it takes five votes to lynch.
Not Voting [9]: Holygamer999, Tyrano, Outerspec, Gerri, Wooden_Giraffe, benjamminbrown, Huschel, SpaceCowboy, Harvady Alumnus
It is now Day Five. You have 72 hours to lynch.
Well then, looks like we have both a vigilante and a mechanic that kills bulletproof robots.
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Space, you better give us a real good reason not to come after you.
Here is a majority of Kubihige's quotes throughout this session that contained substantial info:
! @Kubihige:
! > OnSpacecowboy: It seems like he was getting grilled for trying todiscuss role PMs, which he wasn't. What he was asking about was muchmore useless. Either way, he's since backed off. What concerns meabout him is his insistence that Day 1 need not be taken seriously.It's pretty clear that most, if not all, of the players are in favorof a lynch on day 1. I don't think that's something that should betaken lightly. While I don't see how his actions could benefit townat all, I'd hesitate to call them scummy. I'm interested to see if heshapes up on Day 2.OnTyrano: I would think mafia would be a little more careful withjumping on a bandwagon so freely… Tyrano hasn't yet tried to defendhimself. I'll wait for that.
OnSomebodyUDon'tKnow: Argued for what would amount to sacrificing apower role… in order to speculate on why they were killed? Now thathe's really starting to feel heat for it, he changes the storyentirely.
Ofthe three I feel SomebodyUDon'tKnow is the best suspect thus far, soI'll throw my vote on him and see where it takes us.
! @Kubihige:
! > I'mgoing to join the Spacecowboy-makes-no-sense camp.
! @Kubihige:
! > Andtrappe asked a bit ago about scumbuddies. All of the more-activeplayers are suspicious of, or have already voted for SUDK. If hiscomrades are voting for him, Nectar's post earlier raised a flag forme. Spacecowboy's just confusing me in multiple ways, and if I thinkI can understand what he's trying to say, it could be interpreted asa passive defense of a partner. Others haven't given enough to reallybe suspicious.
! @Kubihige:
! > I'dlike to hear some other opinions before the hammer is dropped.There's still plenty of time in the day.
! @Kubihige:
! > Okay,I'll try to add something substantial. Sorry, everyone.
! @Kubihige:
! > Firstof all
VoteLynch: Foolio@trappe:Regular cheesecake is the best cheesecake, but if it has glazedstrawberries on top, that's always a plus. As much as I'd love tolynch you, I'm finding it hard to find anything suspicious about you.This wasn't how it was supposed to go
DoI think the votes are being scattered on purpose? No, do you? There'salready a pretty decent wagon in Tyrano, I would think more thanmafia would latch onto that and I believe there are no more than 4 ofthem, which leaves a few of those as legitimate.
Tyrano,he's being more responsive today, but I'm not buying his excuses. Hewas my #2 suspect yesterday as well. He's getting well-deservedpressure. I'm still trying to make sense of whatever it isSpacecowboy is trying to say about him.Speakingof Spacecowboy, I don't see his behavior as beneficial to anything.He keeps dropping hints about some knowledge, but won't say what. Ifhe knows anything useful at all, it apparently involves Tyrano andone other person? Perhaps lynching Tyrano will give him valuable infothat he'd be willing to share… or maybe that's just what hewants.
@HuschelI see 3rd party specualtion as completely pointless right now. Yes,the wording of texts heavily implies it, but that's all we have to gooff on and I can't see anything becoming any more definite just bytalking about it at this point. Maybe this is just my ignorancetalking, I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about mafia, but I can'tsee anything positive coming of it.
I'mrunning out of time, so I'll address two more people and try to touchon a few more things and ask some questions when I get back from worktonight.
@Harvady:You really like to nitpick little things, mostly on suspicions thatother people have. Do you have any real suspects of yourown?
Foolio,your seeming unfamiliarity with the death text raised initialsuspicions. Admittedly, I didn't catch it until Iceburg pointed itout. Upon rereading, you addressed it with this same unfamiliarityagain in post #1109. If you were town, you would think that it wouldrequire at bit of a conscious effort to address it as such and I'mnot getting that from your response in which you caught what you weredoing. Though this isn't why I voted for you. Your grilling ofHuschel could seem like you were fishing for a slip, to broaden therange of suspects. Typing that out, it doesn't seem like a bad thing,but the vibe I got from it was more like "hmm… that's notgonna work, better try something else..." if that makes sense?Still, not really the reason I voted for you.
Ifound it interesting the way you squirmed about when there waspressure on you. Even after you gave your defense, you continued totry defending yourself in other posts, even though there was nothingnew said about you. Maybe you're just a little redundant, but Imostly want to see how you react again, after the pressure on youfaded.
! @Kubihige:
! > @Foolio/Trappe:There were two on Tyrano yesterday and there are two on him today, aswell as a number of people saying he was a secondary suspect. Thewagon is still there, I just feel like it's on the back burner so asto fully utilize the day. He's also been more active and responsive,maybe that's been enough for some people. If it's still not showingas the day winds down, I'll take another look at it.
! @Kubihige:
! > Right.I had actually typed out an answer, but upon getting logged out andtrying to copy it, I managed to erase the whole thing, so I just leftsomething quick before knocking out >_>
! @Kubihige:
! > AndI told you soI only think I was partially correct becausewhile Tyrano is a very likely lynch right now, there are still a lotof wagons and his is barely half complete with 8(?) hours left. Ifthere were a high number of mafia they would have tried to lynchTyrano quicker, especially if the night kill really was blocked.Maybe if there were two smaller mafias of 3 (is that even athing?)… but a mafia of 6 just seems rather ridiculous from anumbers perspective. Yeah, I can't completely rule out anything, butI just feel like 4 is a safer bet.trappe,you said you had wanted to bring up the stalling of the Tyrano wagonbefore I was asked, but I don't think you've shared your thoughtsyet. If I missed it, sorry.
! @Kubihige:
! > Top2 suspects: Nectar and Foolio
! @Kubihige:
! > Ashe's said himself, Tyrano is really the only wagon that seems likeit'll end up going somewhere today. While he's not my #1 suspect, weARE just pulling each other in every direction. A lynch will give ussome concrete info, so**Unvote
VoteLynch: Tyrano**
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Questionfor Bogart:
Tyranovoted for "SUDK" yesterday, was that just an oversight, orare acronyms/spelling errors okay, so long as the intent is clear? Idon't want to be lynched as "Kubohige" T_T, but I'd alsolike to know if someone could fake a vote by simplymisspelling.
! @Kubihige:
! > Thisis all pretty ridiculous. Reminds me of zombies. I don't likezombies.
! @Kubihige:
! > Nectar,even if Harvady or one of your other alters, or however this issupposed to work, do turn up as scum, how do we know to trust you?There are more than one threat to town. How do we know you're notjust playing us?
! @Kubihige:
! > Youknow that others have been altered… but you don't know who?
! @Kubihige:
! > I'ma very easily-ignored person…I'malways in favor of a lynch, no matter what. I'll entertain the ideaof there being no mafia, but whether that's true or not, there arestill threats among us, so I don't see how it would really changeanything. I do still believe there is a mafia though.
Foolio,I don't see you as any more clear today than yesterday. You had a bitto say about there being no mafia. One could argue that's an idea themafia would love people to believe.
VoteLynch: Foolio
I'minterested in where the Harvady/Nectar thing goes. I have not beenaltered.
! @Kubihige:
! > Wehave a huge lack of information about anything. Nectar called outHarvady and was right. While I definitely don't trust him, heobviously knows something. If he's town or even third party, he'sclearly at risk of being killed tonight, and I think we'd all like tofigure out what he knows as soon as possible so we have the bestchance to make sense of what he gives us. Your holding out is onlykeeping us in the dark. Yes, it would have been nice to know if hehad some fool-proof master plan, but I think we're well beyond thatpoint now.
! @Kubihige:
! > Personally,I think Nectar is third party. I don't see how any townie by himselfcould draw these conclusions with any kind of legitimacy and I don'tthink any mafia would draw so much attention to himself unless he wasgoing to out his partner for credibility. And that's prettyridiculous because it still doesn't make him look good. On top ofthat, handing out abilities doesn't sound like a town or mafiapower.I'llwithhold my vote for now, as L-2 is much closer than I'd like to bewithout him responding yet, but if this doesn't work itself out inabout ~12 hours when I get back from work, that's where I'll beplacing my vote.
unvote
@Benjammin,back when I voted Foolio because I thought he acted strange underpressure… you're kind of doing the same thing x10. Maybe you justlike your walls of text talking about anything and everything, butthe tone of your posts isn't making you look good.
! @Kubihige:
! > Vote:NectarWinningwith town? Sounds like a bunch of crap. Third party is definitely athreat. Unless there's another third party threat (lawl), but wuth 3of them and 3 or 4 mafia (or 9 if you're Foolio) that already leavesonly a handful of players as town.
I'mstill wary of Ben, but when most of the people voting for him arebasing it on a 'maybe i think possibly this is what could havepotentially taken place' I'm more interested in seeing the flip ofthose that have been trying to manipulate us.
! @Kubihige:
! > @trappe:Of course they'regoing to want to pin a mafia. They'd have nocredibility if they didn't. They probably do have some way of tellingthe difference. I'm not nearly as doubtful of those claims as oftheir whole scheme in general. Target someone they haven't yetaltered would have been going in blind for them, with minimalbenefit.
! @Kubihige:
! > Idon't see why revealing what night it was would be a big deal. Iceand Ben were night 1, Harvady was doubled night 2. If 3 is the magicnumber, that leaves a spot for you and Space on each day. I'm goingto guess you were night 2.
! @Kubihige:
! > Hownice of you to switch your vote to another all-but-non-existant wagonright near day's end again…
! @Kubihige:
! > Vote:NectarWasn'tbuying your nonsense yesterday, not buying it today, especially afterIceberg's flip.
! @Kubihige:
! > 1)How your win condition really works. Clearly, you are the ones makingthe cyborgs, but until yesterday, you didn't even know what you werereally doing. Maybe you thought to come out to gain information aboutyourselves? You yourself only did so when Nectar was on the verge ofbeing lynched, I'm sure that wasn't part of the plan.
! @Kubihige:
! > 2)Maybe not an alternative, but at least one that can't co-exist with atown win. Maybe your granting of powers makes it harder for you towin. They could be used against you.4)The topic of you cyborgs is getting people talking. That's good forscum hunting. We can see who's being overly opportunistic and allthat we normally do when scum hunting. I just see lynching one of youas a priority. Even if Nectar gets lynched and you are perpetuallyblocked, your third member will have more than enough time to finishconverting.
3of the people converted are looking to lynch you. The only one thatwas close to your side is dead. Maybe we are playing into mafia'shands, but if a conversion isn't enough for even those that have beenconverted, how is it supposed to be enough for those of usnot?
Andyet both of your robot buddies voted for Mrs. Iceburg. Are they justnot as brilliant as you, Nectar? Ben admitted to lying, thuscleariing up the possibility of Iceberg's robot being blocked thatnight, and he was still lynched, thanks to not just town, but robot,and probably mafia too.
#5,is "roboticize" the exact wording? Not "alter" orsomething else?
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Scenario:"All threats eliminated" is the win condition for town,right? Robots can only not turn mafia into cyborgs. The wordingheavily implies there is another threat out there, even if it isn'tyou, you can convert this other threat. So, mafia dead, town allconverted, other threat CONVERTED AND NOT ELIMINATED. This isassuming that threat isn't you, of course.
Myreplies to the second half of the day will come soon. Nice to see I'mnot being ignored conpletely~
A lot of Kubi's actions make sense in context now, but it's pretty standard. However, looking at her treatment of Spacecowboy during the first day, it really looks like Kubi was trying to cover for him while trying to look as inconspicuous about it as possible. Thoughts?
I was altered in D2.
I didn´t said it before because, considering the shitstorm that was on the Iceburg-Ben-Nectar trio, i was pretty sure 2 of these would be lynched before i did so i decided to stay under the radar until people really went after me, which i always thought would be this day.
I can prove it.
I wasn´t expecting Foolio´s to be lyunched to day. think we could win the game this very same day if that didn´t happen.
Let me just end up eating and i will make a post in which, with Outer´s and Tyrano´s help, i can prove that i have been altered
Great. Another liar. Can't say I'm surprised but that doesn't make it less annoying.
I'm happy we finally have a dead mafia. I'm surprised regarding Foolio's death despite being bulletproof. It makes the last person outing himself pretty unlikely.
Great. Another liar. Can't say I'm surprised but that doesn't make it less annoying.
I'm happy we finally have a dead mafia. I'm surprised regarding Foolio's death despite being bulletproof. It makes the last person outing himself pretty unlikely.
Not sure about what´s the problem.
The atenttions were not on me. The only thing people were doing was placing me on their suspect lists, but no one was pushing a vote on me.
Why would i be crazy enough to put a target on my back? I didn´t even trusted Nectar and i knew i could get away with it.
Also, with my claim that i had not been altered, the mafia would never kill me during the night.
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@__Outer__ (And Tyrano i guess)
Remember when i posted this?
@Outer- I would like you to keep this message in mind, but don´t ask me about it for now.
7 - 9 3 3 10 6 3 4.
This was after you asked Ben about the parentheses, but before anyone made any remark about it.
This method may not be good enough to find out if someone that claims to be altered, but claims he doesn´t have them was indeed altered, but it may be good enough to find out if someone that claims to be altered and claims to have them was indeed altered.
I want you to check that phrase of yours and see if it matches my code.
7 is the total number of words in it.
The other numbers represent the amount of letters which each word has. So the first word has 9 letters, the second 3 Yada Yada.
If Bogart decided to wrote them differently and they don´t match up, i can give you the message for you to see if it´s the same thing, but written differently.
Not sure whether you realize but you were the main lynch target of the third Party yesterday in an attempt to finally proof that there method helps with the scum hunt. Which again was mostly based on your claim of not being altered. In the end you've caused another distraction from an actual scum hunt regarding the other players because even though the list was already quite short both ben and you were repeatedly added back into it do to uncertainty on how to take your claim. You say, you can proof it, then do so soon so that we can move on.
Also, I've also been altered in the meantime. Since I doubt third Party is going to speak up soon, keep in mind that I will also need 'clearing'.
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And I can confirm the phrase in parenthesis. Same amount of words and letters.
Well okay…
I did something with Kubihige using my powers last night.
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And yeah I'm not 100% sure whether that series of words prove anything about alignments but lol it is genuine.
I believe that leaves us with the following situation:
Town:
SUDK
trapped
Mrs.Iceburg
xas
Not scum based on 3rd Party alterations:
Harvady
Ben
Outerspec
Tyrano
space
Gerri
3rd Party:
Nectar
Foolio
(unknown)
Mafia:
Kubihige
(unknown)
(unknown)
(unknown)?
Not altered:
Huschel
Holy
Wooden
Note that even with only 3 total Mafia and 3 total third Party, everybody who has not been altered is now either Mafia or third Party, i.e. if the method we are using is accurate. It also means that if they are correct in their assumptions then 3rd Party has now altered all townies so we better hope a Joint win is possible.
If all this is true then the remaining third Party can out themselves after all and we can proceed to lynching the remaining two unaltered.
Sounds all so simple, doesn't it? Which is what makes me think, there might be something else.
OK, seems like we are in a good way.
I also have a theory about why some of the altered people claim they have them and other claim they don´t.
I´ll say it latter. Need to go to college to do something.
-Holly
1 Third Party, 2 Mafia
I think Lynching Huschel could be the safest way.
See you gauys later
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Note that even with only 3 total Mafia and 3 total third Party, everybody who has not been altered is now either Mafia or third Party, i.e. if the method we are using is accurate. It also means that if they are correct in their assumptions then 3rd Party has now altered all townies so we better hope a Joint win is possible.
If all this is true then the remaining third Party can out themselves after all and we can proceed to lynching the remaining two unaltered.Sounds all so simple, doesn't it? Which is what makes me think, there might be something else.
With Foolio dead, i doubt the third party will come forward because he fears being targeted.
If he is in that final llist of 3, than he might as well assume himself. After all, the mafia, by exclusion will figure out who he is.
The third party could have also used a trick to make one of theirs claim he was altered, so we (and the mafia) thinks that person is a converted townie.
Anyway, I will discuss this later .
OK, seems like we are in a good way.
I also have a theory about why some of the altered people claim they have them and other claim they don´t.
Considering the very fact that you were one that claimed NOT and caused deliberate confusion, sooner you explain the better…
And why are you speaking in plural form? And not in first person. 
Actually, if not believing in a joint-win then lynching 3rd party before mafia would still make a pure town win possible.
There is possibility of liars in 'altered' group, no?
Ahem, ben, ahem…
Space might have a different theory but I'll throw mine out. Does anybody think it is possible that not being able to alter Mafia only implied that Mafia would not be turned into a Cyborg yet still get the additional power. It doesn't really make sense from a cause-effect perspective but it's something to consider in light of some People not having the text in parenthesis.
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True, there is that possibility that the altered Group includes the 3rd party member. Ben being the one they wanted to lynch the most, doesn't really make sense though.
Space might have a different theory but I'll throw mine out. Does anybody think it is possible that not being able to alter Mafia only implied that Mafia would not be turned into a Cyborg yet still get the additional power. It doesn't really make sense from a cause-effect perspective but it's something to consider in light of some People not having the text in parenthesis.
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True, there is that possibility that the altered Group includes the 3rd party member. Ben being the one they wanted to lynch the most, doesn't really make sense though.
I was thinking that he could be Mafia..
By all means, make your case. Does that imply you think one of the remaining three is neither 3rd party nor Mafia?
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Also, already thinking ahead. I personally rather focus on these three for today. If we succeed in lynching another mafia today than feel free to use your power on somebody else. Great Job with regards to Kubihige btw. What made you so sure? Does the same method help you identify a scum team?
Well something about him is off in my opinion.
I'll try to produce something later.
But I guess you are right. The remaining three should be the focus. I think we are at advantage here and can afford some mislynches.
I must say thanks for congratulating me but I did not kill Kubihige.
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But I guess I might actually accept that congrats cuz I did do something on Kubihige precisely because I thought he (she..?) was scum.
Okay regarding Ben. So what stood out about Kubihige? Does the same thing apply for any of the other main suspects?
Thank you to whoever killed my #1 Mafia suspect last night. I was about to push hard for Kubihige's lynch Today but now we can focus on finding his scum buddies. I'm looking at Wooden and I was looking at SpaceCowboy but his proof looks legit and it was prepared well in advance.
Furthermore, I'm not very comfortable with using what's in the parenthesis as a measure of proof anymore now that enough people have gone about that route (Gerri and Space) to support their alteration.
@Gerri: I'd say take Ben off of that list for now as he hasn't shown any kind of proof of his alteration that anyone else hasn't shown already.
Vote: Wooden_Giraffe
I'm pretty confident this will either net us a 3rd Party or Mafia member. Either way, I'm pretty sure he isn't Town.
Okay regarding Ben. So what stood out about Kubihige? Does the same thing apply for any of the other main suspects?
In my memory, Kubihige was yammering about my lynch, kind of going for the easy target.
He (is it she?) was also a kind of player that was not too vocal and just seemed like cruising through the day.
Also I think I read some other players being suspicious of him (her?). I actually thought of using my power on SpaceCowboy but changed to Kubihige.
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Vote: Wooden Giraffe
Comfortable with this.
Dammit Space what is wrong with you!
Are you hiding anything too Gerri? Seems like everyone I target ends up being a damn liar, worst townies ever. Yeah I'm the third robot and I honestly don't even care at this point. Nectar and Foolio were legitimately trying to go for a joint win and you guys just spat in their faces.
Do whatever you want, I don't really care anymore. Go ahead and lynch me gives the mafia a better chance to win over a town that doesn't deserve squat. Except whoever killed Kubi, good work with that.
Alternative is to lynch a mafia and let whoever killed Foolio finish me off, like I said I just don't care anymore.
Vote Lynch: Huschel
I share Wooden_Giraffe as main suspect/lynch vote for today. I will not vote until later though since it only takes 5 votes to lynch. Due to the voiced concerns I would put Ben in parenthesis.
Questions for everybody:
I will provide my own answers later.
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Didn't see your post, Wooden. Guess that clears up the third party question.
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And I'm not hiding anything. I revealed being Vanilla on the first day I played. Last night, I've been altered and gained a power. You should be able to confirm that.
Yeah I targeted you last night. I doubt Foolio's target will claim.
Huschel or Holy will likely cc me but whatever.
Did Foolio try to reconfirm a previously altered Person?
1. After reading Foolio and Nectar flip I'm think that joint win is possible… Can't be too sure though, it would be pretty sad to lynch all the 3rd parties and end the game with Town win. But then again I'm Town and Town Win is the top priority. Don't really wanna risk leaving a third party member and end up with loss.
2. Harvady and Ben are still fishy mostly because of that PM message thing with Ben getting extra points for his general behaviour towards Foolio and so on.
3. Yeah... joint victory is some risky shiiit. They ain't called 3rd party for nuthin'
I think they might win if they convert everyone including the mafia with one of them left alive. Here I'm actually thinking Mafia may be getting powers off from third party too.
4. With 3 3rd party members I think Mafia could be just two men team. Buuut since third party is "bulletproof" and they give out powers to townies like christmas, 3 mafias sound more balanced.
5. Maybe he was one shot bulletproof? I dunno. I do think it was the mafia that killed him. Or yeah he may have stepped on a land mine in which case a claim would be nice.
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Oh thanks for claiming Wooden. Now to lynch...
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Now that I think of it deeper, I think Foolio DID step on a landmine.
A mafia member I think, you know, as a counter measure from the Mafia to avoid easy victory for the third party.
I was thinking of the same option.
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I does negate what you say under 3) though aside from what you are saying going against everything they told us including their Motivation to out themselves.
I'm not quite sure why we aren't suspecting space, just cause he claims to have been altered. Wooden and Gerri already confirmed that an alteration happened with them, leaving us no proof of anything space said. If any of you also bothered to read my post from earlier and at least glance at some of Kubi's earlier posts (which I gathered into a nice spoiler tag a page back) then you would see Kubi trying to defend space during that craziness that happened on day 1 while seeming impartial. Since there is only 1 third party left and neither Huschel or I have been targeted for altering yet, I think we're pretty safe from the third party if they are disengenuous about a joint win and it would rather lynch someone who most of us think is scum but haven't done anything about it since day 1.
vote Lynch: SpaceCowboy
You said you had proof you were innocent. If you actually do, I'd love to hear it.
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Also give me a sec Gerri. I'll answer your questions once I get off my phone and onto a computer.
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1. I do believe that the joint win wat possible, but I don't really see that happening now.
2. As of right now, no I don't. You already said that you suspect Foolio of possibly re-targeting someone, and if that's the case it would definitively prove space the liar, but we can't know for sure since the dead don't speak. I believe the majority are town, but I also think it possible that the mafia could of slipped through the cracks.
3. As I said earlier, I don't think we need to worry about the third party right now. Even if they are lying about their intentions, it's not something we really need to worry about right now. Tomorrow, maybe; but for right now no.
4. I honestly can't get a read on Huschel. He could be mafia or town, but I haven't really gotten anything from his posts to make me think one way or the other.
5. No idea. Maybe a vig, or some weird mafia ability. No clue.
Also wooden, what did you mean when you said Huschel and I will most likely cc you? Not being accusatory, I just don't understand the term.
Thanks Holy. Just to clarify. Space claims to have been altered in a different night than last night. He provided a coded part of the alteration PM yesterday. I can confirm the code. Tyrano did as well.
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cc stands for Counter claim which you obviously didn't do.
I believe SpaceCowbiy has cleard himself with the numbers he left Yesterday. At least people who would know seem to think so. Which really only leaves you and me, Holy. A little unsettling because I don't really believe in a 2 person mafia but today I want to get you lynched. Process of elimination really and nothing that would convince me otherwise.
Wooden, you guys never targeted Kubihige, correct?
- Do you believe a joint win with the 3rd party is possible?
- Do you believe that the people altered so far are clear? If not why not? If only specific people then please explain.
- Considering your answer to 1) to you think lynching all of 3rd party before lynching the last mafia is important to ensure an overall town win?
- Out of the remaining unaltered. Who do you think is mafia and who do you think is 3rd party? Do you think any of them could be town?
- How do you explain Foolio's death? Was it caused by town, mafia or by Foolio himself?
@Holy: cc = counterclaim. As in we'd be claiming to be the 3rd 3rd party member isntead of Wooden to get him lynched.
How original is it to still have this in my signature 6 years later?
I believe SpaceCowbiy has cleard himself with the numbers he left Yesterday. At least people who would know seem to think so. Which really only leaves you and me, Holy. A little unsettling because I don't really believe in a 2 person mafia but today I want to get you lynched. Process of elimination really and nothing that would convince me otherwise.
So that's what that was. Gotta be honest with you, didn't really understand what he was talking about with the code. Thought it was another distraction.
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Still, it unsettles me too that you and I are the only two left unconfirmed. That being the case, it proves to me that there is as least one mafia member who has slipped through the cracks if not two (at this point I'm still not convinced as to whether you are mafia or not Huschel).
Alright Holy, since neither of you have taken the cc route. Who do you think the remaining mafia are?
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Holy and Huschel, my bad
I'll answer this a little later. I just had a revelation and there's something I want/need to see.
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Sorry, in reference to you wooden
Thank you for all of that Wooden but as far as I can tell Town is doing quite alright. I don't think we should waste our time going after a 3rd Party Member when we know there are scum out there trying to kill us. Whatever happened to Foolio can happen to Wooden and we can always decide to lynch Wooden tomorrow.
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With one less Mafia suspect it's up between Holy and Huschel.
Harvady and Ben, why the hell don't you all have what every other Townie person has? I can't believe Harvady wasn't altered. Not after he gave that first description. Ben though?
I'm all up for lynching Huschel at the moment.
Vote: Huschel
Wooden: who was Foolio's target?
I'm all up for not lynching me!
@Wooden:
Who do you think the remaining mafia are?
I will answer now because I won't be here for about 24 hours but I can't really back my list up with a lot or verify some things. Sorry.
Holy is the obvious target. Other than that, someone who's in the altered list. Either because they are lying or because mafia has some way of being altered after all. My list is mostly based on the former.
Harvady (The first one to claim to have been altered which has been accepted by several people. He hasn't been posting much but not a suspect)
Tyrano (Apparently had a hand in killing Kubihige. Seems believable for now.)
space (I still like his posts…gives me town vibes)
The last three I'd really have to read up on again. Which I can do tomorrow or at the latest on Sunday.
Outerspec (Still not much of a read but I think he confirmed somebody? Townie-ish)
Ben (Just weird posting behaviour. Suspect)
Gerri (I don't know. I trusted him before. He saved Tyrano more or less who I believe to be town. But there's just something there. Vague...)
Yeah. I just wanted to get this out there before I disappear for a day.
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Ah, right. I would also still like to know if Kubihige had ever been targeted by the 3rd party if anyone (Wooden) can tell me. Because that would obviously help with the "can't be altered at all" thing.
Huschel. Before you disappear can you shed some light on your voting behavior that Harvady highlighted yesterday towards the end. Istill have to do the same but at least I'll be around..
So Holy and Huschel, is it safe to assume you two have not been altered?
Didn't Wooden pretty much confirmed to us that he is not Town?
yeah, why? He also said he's not mafia so we still have to find those.
Space might have a different theory but I'll throw mine out. Does anybody think it is possible that not being able to alter Mafia only implied that Mafia would not be turned into a Cyborg yet still get the additional power. It doesn't really make sense from a cause-effect perspective but it's something to consider in light of some People not having the text in parenthesis.
Harvady and Ben, why the hell don't you all have what every other Townie person has? I can't believe Harvady wasn't altered. Not after he gave that first description. Ben though?
Well, my theory is actually… less "conspiracy theory".
Basiclally Tyrano, me, Outer and Trappe (and now you Gerri) all clamied to have the text
Harv and Ben didn´t.
I share Outer´s theory that it is very unlikely that Harv in scum, considering he was the first one to give a text.
So i looked at other clues.
At that time i only had my text, Trappe (she died) and, i guess. Ben´s (the one he claimed). Afterwards i also got a clue from Tyrano, which may or may not back me up.
Me, Trappe and Tyrano have abilities that require us to target someone during the night, so the text ends up being just sort of like a fair warning from Bogart.
Something along the lines of:
"It´s kind of obvious, but remember that now you can target someone during the night and do that keeping in mind that insert text"
In Ben´s case, he has a passive ability.
He doesn´t need to do anything to activate it, and therefore, his gaming style remains the same.
So yeah, by this I assume Harv has a passive ability, and the rest of us have active ones.
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About Wodden, in post 1734 i wrote this:
About Wooden
While he was the first to vote Nectar, which placed him in a situation of denying a relation with her without a lot of risk, he also did not backed off his vote when Nectar was L-1. In fact, he did back off, but took 6 minutes to do it.
If Wooden was your partner, don´t you think he should have withdraw his vote immediatly?
Or were you confident that a potential hammer vote at that time would reveal a mafia, especially after your revelations?This makes me think Wooden was your partner.
Do you have any comments?
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Do you have any comments on my Wooden crack theory?
So yeah, i´m not surprised, and considering no one CC, i will assume he his a TP
Good observation. Your theory seems to tie out. Since you are also convinced Wooden is 3rd Party, do you feel there is any reason to doubt that Holy and Huschel are the remaining mafia?
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That's a lot of active roles though. Considering that there almost seems to be a lack of activity.
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And potentially Ben, I guess. I know, you said you find him suspicious.
I guess.
Maybe most of them are background roles with investigatory nature and the users didn´t really found anything relevant, so they never came forward.
If you think about it, I used mine for 2 Nights, and Tyrano and Outer used theirs for 1.
I will still read everything their wrote in the past, but right now i don´t see any reason not to go for them.
If they are not it for some reason, then i guess Ben and Harv.
No one Counterclaimed Wooden right?
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