Official Dressrosa Thread
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Not far, not far at all from happening. He will along with Akainu and Kuzan play a big part in the war that Kaido spoke off, if that famous picture where all the yonko, strawheart, samurai, Kid, Apoo, Hawkins one. Im beginning to think that war will include mainly those in that picture. shanks and Blackbeard as well.Kid's resources and these are some of the reasoms why i believe Kid alliance have a better shot than we are thinking. Still might not be as cohesive as that, might just be our protagonist and friends vs that beast Kaido and Big Mom. Succesively or together.
Also, the supernovas only seemed to have displayed a fraction of what they are capable of doing two years ago based on Laws performance. So Apoo, Hawkins and Kid will definitely do well against Kaido, although i believe apart from a single round of exchanges they talked out their differences. Hawkins defence and form is certainly intriguing to me.
Kaido crashed into the KHA alliance's home base for a reason. Probably to show how a yonko alone, can handle 4 supernovas and their entire forces.
This will give us an idea of what's needed, to go up against the likes of Kaido.Or for him to just find out the news regarding Joker, from Kidd who's sweating bullets.
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Kaido crashed into the KHA alliance's home base for a reason. Probably to show how a yonko alone, can handle 4 supernovas and their entire forces.
This will give us an idea of what's needed, to go up against the likes of Kaido.Or for him to just find out the news regarding Joker, from Kidd who's sweating bullets.
It would be nice if Kaido attacks the ship that's holding Joker captivemight be a red herring, but that emphasis of team play defeating Kaido and his hobby should favour the alliance. Still i believe there is a reason besides his introduction. But we will find out soon.
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Either he just scares them meek (very unlikely), he crushes them to the point they have to sit their plans (weird to point them to shanks and them crush them), they manage to "beat" him, but he survives and the cost was too big (somewhat likely), or he just ignores them hurting their pride (One Piecest).
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I've always thought Hancock was waaay underrated on this forum. She beat Pacifistas with a single attack that took on all the SHs together, I'd put her at least at Luffy's current level. She was unhurt during the war (only Mihawk, Dofla are the others who seemed to be unscathed). That made me hate the 2d3y special it reversed her power, she wasn't the pacifista kicking bad-ass she was the Rebecca level weakling. Oh right this is the Dressrosa thread, technically since Sanji and Co. are on another island has Dressrosa like semi-ended or… And any guesses if it's Zou or Wano next or an unnamed island? I vote for an unnamed Kaidou island (where Sanji and Co. are)
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Kaido will be like meh, goes away.
Captain Kid is shouting how he didn't notice the worst of the worst generation and the strongest and his pride is hurt.
Captain Kid announces that their target is now Kaido and not Red-Haired.
Captain Kid/ Apoo/ Hawkins/ Luffy/ Law/ Drake? vs Kaido
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Kaido will be like meh, goes away.
Captain Kid is shouting how he didn't notice the worst of the worst generation and the strongest and his pride is hurt.
Captain Kid announces that their target is now Kaido and not Red-Haired.
Captain Kid/ Apoo/ Hawkins/ Luffy/ Law/ Drake? vs Kaido
You'd think Drake is going to betray Kaido but it's too obvious…
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This talk about Supernovas and Emperors made me think if Urouge and Bonney are in an alliance together or are allied to a Yonko.
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This talk about Supernovas and Emperors made me think if Urouge and Bonney are in an alliance together or are allied to a Yonko.
Bonney is with Jack. Urouge is more mysterious.
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Urouge is the definition of yolo
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You'd think Drake is going to betray Kaido but it's too obvious…
I could see it either way. He hates (or did) hate his dad who was pirate, his dad was killed by a pirate (even though he says it doesn't bother him). He joined the Marines then left and deliberately went looking for Kaidou. Him having a 'purpose' has been long before we even saw the Law/Dofla conflict. Speaking of Law/Dofla, I wonder if Oda had any idea Law would be connected to Dofla when he first introduced him, I mean he appeared at Dofla's auction house and Dofla mentioned SMILES in that arc as well… But Law made not mention of being in Dofla's place or his past.
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I tend to see every defector from the marines as a mole.
I wasn't convinced about drake, but after his father piracy, and the fact that he was featured in an arc that shows a marine infiltrating pirates, makes me closer to the mole hypothesis.
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You'd think Drake is going to betray Kaido but it's too obvious…
He is gonna betray everyone.
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I can't understand how the arc was such a mess, start to finish, and yet had a perfect flashback
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M](https://blueeyesdragonics.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/one-piece-797-even-rebecca-wants-to-get-out-of-dressrosa/)y review- Even Rebecca wants to get off Dressrosa!
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In answer to the poll I feel he will probably be defeated later on. He seems too OP to be defeated this arc.
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In answer to the poll I feel he will probably be defeated later on. He seems too OP to be defeated this arc.
…He already has been beaten.
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@S.C.:
…He already has been beaten.
He probably thinks that he's gonna come back or something.
I do think that Doflamingo isn't completly out yet, he'll still have an important role to play in the plot, but I don't see him fighting again (or maybe against Kaido but still), even less as an opponent to Luffy.
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I could see it either way. He hates (or did) hate his dad who was pirate, his dad was killed by a pirate (even though he says it doesn't bother him). He joined the Marines then left and deliberately went looking for Kaidou. Him having a 'purpose' has been long before we even saw the Law/Dofla conflict. Speaking of Law/Dofla, I wonder if Oda had any idea Law would be connected to Dofla when he first introduced him, I mean he appeared at Dofla's auction house and Dofla mentioned SMILES in that arc as well… But Law made not mention of being in Dofla's place or his past.
About law and doffy in sabody: laws flag was very similar to doffys oda didnt do that with no reason and in that slave trading house law didi not know it belongs to doffy
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Anyone else seen this? It's hilarious! Very very sad but funny!
Yep. Pretty much describes Dressrosa in a nutshell.
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Anyone else seen this? It's hilarious! Very very sad but funny!
Yep. Pretty much describes Dressrosa in a nutshell.
Yeh, I saw that when it was first uploaded. Though I prefer the Hxh 'interview' edition.
Anyways… how many chapters do you guys think it will take to properly conclude this arc? (I.e: out of the island).
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I'm going with 2 to 3 chapters at this point.
Currently my guess for this weeks chapter is we have Law wrap up his stuff by talking with Sengoku and after that he goes on his way to the dock
The second chapter I fell will show a skirmish with Fujitora and other Marines possibly, and we still have to have Riku tell the citizens that he will be taking the throne back
The last chapter might include more skirmishes as they escape by boat.
Might be two if Oda is brief with the Riku stuff and clashes, but I expect a chapter devoted to Law.
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Yeah, I really hope that this week is Law talking to Doflamingo.
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Anyone else seen this? It's hilarious! Very very sad but funny!
Yep. Pretty much describes Dressrosa in a nutshell.
Stopped taking it seriously the moment it stated Dressrosa needed to shorten up so we could get to the Emperors faster. And that the dwarves and Rebecca should've been cut, and replaced with CP0 focus.
Anyway, my personal wish list for the Dressrosa wrap-up
- Doffy and Law have a heart-to-heart, or at the very least, Law reflects on Doflamingo
- Some Sengoku/Tsuru/Law acknowledgement of Rocinante and his struggles.
- Kyros and Rebeccas status being made public, instead of burying them in more bullshit lies, especially since Rebecca just said "no more lies"
- A scene of the 4 main royals being together at the same time, and enjoying that they're free of a decade of horribleness, and can be a family again
- Some reference to Violets stint as a Doflamingo subordinate, whether its forgiveness from the people, or regret from herself (if possible the same'd be great for Baby 5)
- A scene showing the dwarves happy to have their friends back/not be slaves/ some status quo change due to Mansherrys return (a few lines for Gancho, bian, Kabu and Wicca would be great too)
- How Dwarves will integrate into Dressrosan society, and if they won't, some explanation of why they will remain hidden despite blatantly showing themselves to marines, and not having a dwarf-abducting tyrant to secretly fight any longer.
- The Coliseum reverting to old non-bloodthirsty levels, and Gatz dealing with that
- Some repurposing of the Underground
- Fallout from the 10 years of toyification memory-erasure beyond Kyros and Rebecca
- How is Bellamy dealing with Doflamingos defeat, and what is he gonna do know?
- Small sendoff moments for the Coliseum fighters as they hold off the marines during the escape; Luffy rides Ucy, Sai kicks something, Chinjao headbutts something, etc.
- A hint at what at least the main Coliseum allies- Barto, Cavendish, Elizaberro and the Happo people- will be doing now
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I'm really upset with how Oda has handled some characters in this arc.
First of all, Bellamy, how a pirate with a reward of 190 millions can be easily defeated by Dellinger. Dellinger is the youngest family member.
Bartolomeo had a bad time facing Gladius when a few hours ago Bartolomeo easily defeated a vice admiral.
Trebol, a supreme official with a logia fruit, gets out of action with a firelighter.
Diamante another supreme official, knocked out by a lame.That means that almost every family member are near to the vice admiral level.
Doflamingo overpowered near to a God level.
- Bird cage undestructible
- Multiple puppet control
- Clone that even can use Haki
- Sewn his own organs
- Fly between clouds
- Strings that are able to cut off meteors.
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And if that was not enough, Doflamingo can convert the ground, buildings... in strings with his awaked fruit.
I can not imagine how powerful will be Kaido If Doflamingo is afraid of he. -
@Daz:
Stopped taking it seriously the moment it stated Dressrosa needed to shorten up so we could get to the Emperors faster. And that the dwarves and Rebecca should've been cut, and replaced with CP0 focus.
Anyway, my personal wish list for the Dressrosa wrap-up
- Doffy and Law have a heart-to-heart, or at the very least, Law reflects on Doflamingo
- Some Sengoku/Tsuru/Law acknowledgement of Rocinante and his struggles.
- Kyros and Rebeccas status being made public, instead of burying them in more bullshit lies, especially since Rebecca just said "no more lies"
- A scene of the 4 main royals being together at the same time, and enjoying that they're free of a decade of horribleness, and can be a family again
- Some reference to Violets stint as a Doflamingo subordinate, whether its forgiveness from the people, or regret from herself (if possible the same'd be great for Baby 5)
- A scene showing the dwarves happy to have their friends back/not be slaves/ some status quo change due to Mansherrys return (a few lines for Gancho, bian, Kabu and Wicca would be great too)
- How Dwarves will integrate into Dressrosan society, and if they won't, some explanation of why they will remain hidden despite blatantly showing themselves to marines, and not having a dwarf-abducting tyrant to secretly fight any longer.
- The Coliseum reverting to old non-bloodthirsty levels, and Gatz dealing with that
- Some repurposing of the Underground
- Fallout from the 10 years of toyification memory-erasure beyond Kyros and Rebecca
- How is Bellamy dealing with Doflamingos defeat, and what is he gonna do know?
- Small sendoff moments for the Coliseum fighters as they hold off the marines during the escape; Luffy rides Ucy, Sai kicks something, Chinjao headbutts something, etc.
- A hint at what at least the main Coliseum allies- Barto, Cavendish, Elizaberro and the Happo people- will be doing now
Erm does he need to tick off everyone or is like 75%-80% enough? lol :P
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Maynard is just a scrub, got so high for the need to fill positions not because quality.
Remember that dellinger is the youngest of the family, and other than mingo and those younger than him, is closer to the peak of his skill rather than over it, like machvise, jola and lao g.
Also, reread trebol and diamante fifths, diamante is slashed by a God damned bastard sword after his attacks are tanked and dodged by a one legged man, and trebol was manhandled by luffy until he left his guard down against law and then he immolated himself as a last try on killing them both. Underwhelming but credible ends, as both of those were clean hits without any defense mounted, done in a moment of surprise.
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@Daz:
Stopped taking it seriously the moment it stated Dressrosa needed to shorten up so we could get to the Emperors faster. And that the dwarves and Rebecca should've been cut, and replaced with CP0 focus.
Anyway, my personal wish list for the Dressrosa wrap-up
Too much stuff.
I'm with TLC, I think with a 70% complete rate you should consider yourself lucky. Not saying it's stuff that shouldn't be adressed, but stuff that probably will either be glossed over or just never adressed at all.
First of all, Bellamy, how a pirate with a reward of 190 millions can be easily defeated by Dellinger. Dellinger is the youngest family member.
1st, Dellinger has the highest ko count in the entire arc, among them defeated guys we find Ideo, a guy that's a New World fighting championship, a long arm and someone who tied with Sai during the Colosseum (though it was implied Sai's strength skyrocketed after inheriting the Dragon wathever). He's also a half fighting fish fishman.If anything, he's supposed to be pretty damned strong.
2nd, we don't even know if Bellamy was in a position to defend himself, considering he just received the news that the man he idolized ordered his assassination cause "he's a pain in the ass". Considering how much of an emotional wreck Bellamy has become, I don't think that helped in any way.
Bartolomeo had a bad time facing Gladius when a few hours ago Bartolomeo easily defeated a vice admiral.
Barto has a really tricky power to fight against if you don't know what it's about. Vice admiral's power level seems to vary enormously. And, if anything, it's a good thing that a man that thrashed a vice admiral had a hard time against a Doffy underling considering one of the main recurring discussion elements during the past year has been "the Doflamingo family is too fucking weak and incompetent".
Trebol, a supreme official with a logia fruit, gets out of action with a firelighter.
This is the only point where I agree. Power wise, Oda definitely dropped the ball with Trébol considering he's his right hand man. A shame, cause his design is great, his ability had potential and he's just a crazy son of a biatch. The way he went down is definitely disappointing.
Diamante another supreme official, knocked out by a lame.
Diamante has been treated so unfairly, though. Oda spends half of the arc telling us Kyros is a goddamned monster; to make it more believable, he makes him basically bitchslap Buffalo out of the arc without using his sword. He then proceeds to have a fight on equal grounds with Diamante.
Why did everyone come to the conclusion that Diamante was a pansy or something like that?
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Some stuff concerning dwarves and rikus and those damn citizens may be adressed in the decks of the world in a very distant future
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Found that clip funny, however, besides not agreeing with completely everything I think it missed one crucial key factor. That is the way how Sugar and her power was handled.
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1st, Dellinger has the highest ko count in the entire arc
I'm not upset with Dellinger, he was a great character and enemy. I'm disappointed with Oda has mistreated Bellamy. He doesn't defend himself because he was shocked that his idol ordered his assassination.
Diamante has been treated so unfairly, though. Oda spends half of the arc telling us Kyros is a goddamned monster; to make it more believable, he makes him basically bitchslap Buffalo out of the arc without using his sword. He then proceeds to have a fight on equal grounds with Diamante.
He also spends the other half of the arc telling us that Diamante is the colliseum's hero with 100% probability of winning. He is the head of the specialized fighter team (Lao G, Dellinger, Marchvise and Sr Pink). Kyros with both legs would kill Diamante before he blinks.
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@TLC:
Erm does he need to tick off everyone or is like 75%-80% enough? lol :P
I'm with TLC, I think with a 70% complete rate you should consider yourself lucky. Not saying it's stuff that shouldn't be adressed, but stuff that probably will either be glossed over or just never adressed at all.
Oh, I have no doubt only some of what I listed will be adressed, I just riled off all the Dressrosa plotlines I could think of :-P
The ship has no doubt already sailed on some of the items on the list, and If I had to adjust it for realism, it'd be more like
- Doffy and Law have a heart-to-heart, or at the very least, Law reflects on Doflamingo
- Some Sengoku/Tsuru/Law acknowledgement of Rocinante and his struggles.
- Kyros and Rebeccas status being made public, instead of burying them in more bullshit lies, especially since Rebecca just said "no more lies"
- A scene showing the dwarves happy to have their friends back/not be slaves/ some status quo change due to Mansherrys return. Maybe they're making an Usopp statue to go with Nolands?
- How is Bellamy dealing with Doflamingos defeat, and what is he gonna do know?
- Small sendoff moments for the Coliseum fighters as they hold off the marines during the escape; Luffy rides Ucy, Sai kicks something, Chinjao headbutts something, etc.
- Some scene of Burgess sailing off and/or reporting to BB
Plus, general closing statements from Fujitora and King Riku.
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@Daz:
Oh, I have no doubt only some of what I listed will be adressed, I just riled off all the Dressrosa plotlines I could think of :-P
The ship has no doubt already sailed on some of the items on the list, and If I had to adjust it for realism, it'd be more like
- Doffy and Law have a heart-to-heart, or at the very least, Law reflects on Doflamingo
- Some Sengoku/Tsuru/Law acknowledgement of Rocinante and his struggles.
- Kyros and Rebeccas status being made public, instead of burying them in more bullshit lies, especially since Rebecca just said "no more lies"
- A scene showing the dwarves happy to have their friends back/not be slaves/ some status quo change due to Mansherrys return. Maybe they're making an Usopp statue to go with Nolands?
- How is Bellamy dealing with Doflamingos defeat, and what is he gonna do know?
- Small sendoff moments for the Coliseum fighters as they hold off the marines during the escape; Luffy rides Ucy, Sai kicks something, Chinjao headbutts something, etc.
Plus, general closing statements from Fujitora and King Riku.
Yeah, that I could see.
The thing with the citizens and how deep are the scars left by a conflict. . .I don't know, been years since I read Alabasta or Skypiea, but I don't remember a huge lot of time invested in dealing with the aftermaths of a civil war (Alabasta) or a war for territory (Skypiea) with that much detail. In fact, I seem to remember one of the very few complaints people have about Skypiea being how fast an ages long armed conflict is solved with a bonefire, some alcohol and some dancing. Which is basically Oda saying that war sucks and partying rocks, but still.
I can see all of the emotional scars of a decade long brainwashing being solved with love, tears and good ol whiskey. The root and solution of all our problems.
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Its Spain as an island, so wine and sangria.
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@Daz:
- Doffy and Law have a heart-to-heart, or at the very least, Law reflects on Doflamingo
- Some Sengoku/Tsuru/Law acknowledgement of Rocinante and his struggles.
I also hope for some good interactions between Doffy and Tsuru/Sengoku. Considering these two were the first named characters that interacted on-screen with Doffy.
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Yeah, that I could see.
The thing with the citizens and how deep are the scars left by a conflict. . .I don't know, been years since I read Alabasta or Skypiea, but I don't remember a huge lot of time invested in dealing with the aftermaths of a civil war (Alabasta) or a war for territory (Skypiea) with that much detail. In fact, I seem to remember one of the very few complaints people have about Skypiea being how fast an ages long armed conflict is solved with a bonefire, some alcohol and some dancing. Which is basically Oda saying that war sucks and partying rocks, but still.
I can see all of the emotional scars of a decade long brainwashing being solved with love, tears and good ol whiskey. The root and solution of all our problems.
Yeah, the whole memory-erasure thing seems like something thats unlikely to come up again, but thats probably mostly due to timing; the "curse" was undone less than halfway through the arc, and was immediately followed by birdcage craziness, leaving little time for family reunions. I know Oda didn't spend time on the reunions of Enels slave labor with their families either, but I can't help but wish for some little nod to the whole Toy thing; the most we've gotten was in 791, where two random no-name pirates were juxtaposed to a flashback of Toy slave labor, as if saying their freedom was the payoff to that whole plotline. That seemed unfair to me, given how massively big a deal the Toyification was in the first half of the arc, buuuuuuuuuuuut like I said, I giess Rebecca/Kyros absorbed most of the drama of that plotline, so its not like it was dropped entirely.
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I think Desrossa is one of the best arcs on One Piece, and it gets better if you read it all together. But I also like Sky Piea which a lot of people hate so…
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Holy crap, I completely forgot about Burgess
Theres no way he's not going on the list
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@Daz:
Yeah, the whole memory-erasure thing seems like something thats unlikely to come up again, but thats probably mostly due to timing; the "curse" was undone less than halfway through the arc, and was immediately followed by birdcage craziness, leaving little time for family reunions. I know Oda didn't spend time on the reunions of Enels slave labor with their families either, but I can't help but wish for some little nod to the whole Toy thing; the most we've gotten was in 791, where two random no-name pirates were juxtaposed to a flashback of Toy slave labor, as if saying their freedom was the payoff to that whole plotline. That seemed unfair to me, given how massively big a deal the Toyification was in the first half of the arc, buuuuuuuuuuuut like I said, I giess Rebecca/Kyros absorbed most of the drama of that plotline, so its not like it was dropped entirely.
You forgot the brave Onepoco!
@Daz:
Holy crap, I completely forgot about Burgess
Theres no way he's not going on the list
Burgess will call Blackbeard, who will proceed to laugh his ass off "you wanted the fire fruit and instead got your beard burnt to a cinder with a fire punch to the face, not exactly what you wanted but close enough, right?". Zehahahaha's and stuff.
I DON'T expect a totally serious conversation on how Ace's will lives on through Sabo and how he's dangerous and they should get rid of him or wathever.
Extra points if the Den Den Mushi conference ends with a "regardless, we've already got the perfect fruit for you coming up next! does "Burgess the Phoenix" sound good enough for you?". Zehahahahaha's and stuff.
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You forgot the brave Onepoco!
You're right I did; forget what I said then. That reread is gonna do me a lot of good.
Burgess will call Blackbeard, who will proceed to laugh his ass off "you wanted the fire fruit and instead got your beard burnt to a cinder with a fire punch to the face, not exactly what you wanted but close enough, right?". Zehahahaha's and stuff.
I DON'T expect a totally serious conversation on how Ace's will lives on through Sabo and how he's dangerous and they should get rid of him or wathever.
Extra points if the Den Den Mushi conference ends with a "regardless, we've already got the perfect fruit for you coming up next! does "Burgess the Phoenix" sound good enough for you?". Zehahahahaha's and stuff.
Some sort of Burgess consolation prize would be very welcome.
My best guess at the next few chapters is something like798: Law/Doflamingo/Rocinante/Sengoku/Tsuru wrap-up, ends with Luffy about to face Fujitora
799: Last hurrah for the Dressrosa ensemble as they let Luffy escape, ends with mandatory on-deck KANPAI
800: Wrap up of Riku, Dwarves, other people on Dressrosa as Luffy sails off, complete with Narrator Boxes ("In this country of flowers and passion…"). Cut to Burgess sailing off making a phone call, mumble mumble FATE ZEHAHAHA something. Ends with setting up the next island. -
Extra points if the Den Den Mushi conference ends with a "regardless, we've already got the perfect fruit for you coming up next! does "Burgess the Phoenix" sound good enough for you?". Zehahahahaha's and stuff.
This on fire?
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Extra points if the Den Den Mushi conference ends with a "regardless, we've already got the perfect fruit for you coming up next! does "Burgess the Phoenix" sound good enough for you?". Zehahahahaha's and stuff.
I'd like to see that just for the visual of Burgress as a phoenix with a massive chest and wings and tiny little talons.
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First of all, Bellamy, how a pirate with a reward of 190 millions can be easily defeated by Dellinger. Dellinger is the youngest family member.
There are two aspects to consider in this fight:
First, Bellamy: not only is Bellamy still recovering from taking the King Punch (and beating himself up on Bartolomeo's barrier), but he lost that fight in spirit before it was ever fought, at the revelation that Dellinger was going to kill him on Doflamingo's orders if/when he failed. Imagine if Yasopp showed up and revealed he was about to kill Luffy on Shanks' orders because he considered him a failure; I don't think Luffy would be in any shape to fight back at full strength. He was clearly nowhere near at full strength in that fight, either physically or mentally.
That being said, Dellinger is a half-fighting fishman who grew up in a crew full of monstrously strong pirates, and is only a year younger than Luffy was when he set sail and caused so much havoc (including beating attaining a bounty of 400 million over fighting multiple shichibukai etc), and he was shown to be highly capable in the arc, taking down Suleiman, Blue Gilly, Dagama, and Ideo. Is it really so implausible that a 16 year old crazy half-fishman (trained his whole life by the same people that trained Law for 3 years) might be really strong and fast?
Bartolomeo had a bad time facing Gladius when a few hours ago Bartolomeo easily defeated a vice admiral.
Bartolomeo easily defeated a junior vice admiral who fights using raw physical ability and haki, who presumably doesn't know Bartolmeo's powers, in an enclosed space: it was a fight perfectly suited to his fruit and trolling abilities.
When dealing with Gladius, notice that he just kind of screwed around for most of the fight using his barriers to be immune to injury but also not having much in the way of offense (there was what, barrier bulls?). The only times he was threatened was when he was aiding his allies.
And Gladius was also a longtime member of a crew of extremely strong, experienced New World pirates, with a potent Devil Fruit which he used cleverly (and which made him a tricky fighter) - and who had backup in the form of troops and the headcracker dolls; why is it so hard to believe that he's capable of taking on quite powerful opponents?
Trebol, a supreme official with a logia fruit, gets out of action with a firelighter.
He didn't have a logia fruit; he had a paramecia fruit, which he used to make it look like he had a logia fruit, until Law demonstrated what was going on by catching him off-guard and stabbing him in the stomach, then whirling the sword blade up his body in a buzzsaw effect. Which prompted him to set his super-napalm alight using said firelighter, in an attempt to take out Law along with himself (since he was going down anyhow from the sword wound).
Diamante another supreme official, knocked out by a lame.
What was lame about it? It was a named sword blow from the legendary, undefeated Hero of the Colosseum, and it was strong enough to break right through his sword (which can gouge out massive sections of earth in a blow, as we saw, so he's not exactly a pushover there), and his iron cape, and still give a deep cut (and not his first injury of the fight, either…). And then, as he fell from that blow, he landed skull-first on a wooden grave marker on the ground, ensuring he wouldn't recover. I don't really see the problem with this resolution.
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@S.C.:
I'd like to see that just for the visual of Burgress as a phoenix with a massive chest and wings and tiny little talons.
Burgess always skips talon day.
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@Daz:
You're right I did; forget what I said then. That reread is gonna do me a lot of good.
Some sort of Burgess consolation prize would be very welcome.
My best guess at the next few chapters is something like798: Law/Doflamingo/Rocinante/Sengoku/Tsuru wrap-up, ends with Luffy about to face Fujitora
799: Last hurrah for the Dressrosa ensemble as they let Luffy escape, ends with mandatory on-deck KANPAI
800: Wrap up of Riku, Dwarves, other people on Dressrosa as Luffy sails off, complete with Narrator Boxes ("In this country of flowers and passion…"). Cut to Burgess sailing off making a phone call, mumble mumble FATE ZEHAHAHA something. Ends with setting up the next island.Damn, there really are still that many threads left to touch upon.
The plot point of Law being able to grant immortality is obviously not going to come up again immediately now, but it's going to be a little annoying if they also leave Manshelly's 'heal at the cost of her own life' point unstated as well.
Looking at the last chapter though and it's looking more like this was another translation artifact. With the navy being knocked out it seems her DF isn't healing but completely dependent on moving life force around; as in she would lose her own life healing someone only if there was no-one else around she could borrow from. Whichever it is it's another thing it'd just be nice if something was mentioned before we leave the island and it becomes pretty much irrelevant. -
There are two aspects to consider in this fight:
First, Bellamy: not only is Bellamy still recovering from taking the King Punch (and beating himself up on Bartolomeo's barrier), but he lost that fight in spirit before it was ever fought, at the revelation that Dellinger was going to kill him on Doflamingo's orders if/when he failed. Imagine if Yasopp showed up and revealed he was about to kill Luffy on Shanks' orders because he considered him a failure; I don't think Luffy would be in any shape to fight back at full strength. He was clearly nowhere near at full strength in that fight, either physically or mentally.
That being said, Dellinger is a half-fighting fishman who grew up in a crew full of monstrously strong pirates, and is only a year younger than Luffy was when he set sail and caused so much havoc (including beating attaining a bounty of 400 million over fighting multiple shichibukai etc), and he was shown to be highly capable in the arc, taking down Suleiman, Blue Gilly, Dagama, and Ideo. Is it really so implausible that a 16 year old crazy half-fishman (trained his whole life by the same people that trained Law for 3 years) might be really strong and fast?
Bartolomeo easily defeated a junior vice admiral who fights using raw physical ability and haki, who presumably doesn't know Bartolmeo's powers, in an enclosed space: it was a fight perfectly suited to his fruit and trolling abilities.
When dealing with Gladius, notice that he just kind of screwed around for most of the fight using his barriers to be immune to injury but also not having much in the way of offense (there was what, barrier bulls?). The only times he was threatened was when he was aiding his allies.
And Gladius was also a longtime member of a crew of extremely strong, experienced New World pirates, with a potent Devil Fruit which he used cleverly (and which made him a tricky fighter) - and who had backup in the form of troops and the headcracker dolls; why is it so hard to believe that he's capable of taking on quite powerful opponents?
He didn't have a logia fruit; he had a paramecia fruit, which he used to make it look like he had a logia fruit, until Law demonstrated what was going on by catching him off-guard and stabbing him in the stomach, then whirling the sword blade up his body in a buzzsaw effect. Which prompted him to set his super-napalm alight using said firelighter, in an attempt to take out Law along with himself (since he was going down anyhow from the sword wound).
What was lame about it? It was a named sword blow from the legendary, undefeated Hero of the Colosseum, and it was strong enough to break right through his sword (which can gouge out massive sections of earth in a blow, as we saw, so he's not exactly a pushover there), and his iron cape, and still give a deep cut (and not his first injury of the fight, either…). And then, as he fell from that blow, he landed skull-first on a wooden grave marker on the ground, ensuring he wouldn't recover. I don't really see the problem with this resolution.
Well…if you watch the radio knife scene and the way Trebol moves his body parts one by one and then try to reassemble them just like a logia would do...it's quite hard to see him as a paramecia...even more if you remember the scene in which he gets sliced by Usopp.
Not saying that he's not a paramecia,but honestly,if Oda's intention was to portray him as a fake logia,I guess it could have been done better.
And yeah:even if Law can cut his foes in many pieces without killing them in the process,none of his victims seem to be capable of controlling freely his severed body parts like Trebol did:instead,they always demand for help asking someone to hold/put their body parts together.Vergo,for example,was helpless in terms of movement after getting cut in half...why things are different with a guy like Trebol if he's not a logia?
Just to ilustrate ...watch beginning at 2:06...
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Well…if you watch the radio knife scene and the way Trebol moves his body parts one by one and then try to reassemble them just like a logia would do
He still has control over his 'sticky' substance… which makes up the fake 'fat' body and robe that was concealing his real, skinny body. He can use that to move the sections of his body, and given that he'd spent at least a decade and a half perfecting his camouflage, it shouldn't be a surprise that he's quite proficient at it.
even more if you remember the scene in which he gets sliced by Usopp.
I do remember that scene. What got sliced up was his fake 'fat' body. Look, here's his 'fat' appearance. Now, here is what his real body looks like. That's because his robe - and the 'fat' body - were made of his 'sticky sticky' material. He was using that fake body to conceal his movements when he dodged attacks, as was shown on this page and the next one.
And yeah:even if Law can cut his foes in many pieces without killing them in the process,none of his victims seem to be capable of controlling freely his severed body parts like Trebol did
First, again, Trebol was a paramecia using his powers to manipulate the substance comprising his fake body.
Second, yes they could. Don't you recall Punk Hazard, with Kinemon's various body parts acting independently? IIRC, that was also shown on Sabaody.
Not saying that he's not a paramecia,but honestly,if Oda's intention was to portray him as a fake logia,I guess it could have been done better.
How? He did such a good job that even after a reveal explaining it pretty clearly, some people still insist that he was a logia. That means he did a great job of portraying him as a fake logia.
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He still has control over his 'sticky' substance… which makes up the fake 'fat' body and robe that was concealing his real, skinny body. He can use that to move the sections of his body, and given that he'd spent at least a decade and a half perfecting his camouflage, it shouldn't be a surprise that he's quite proficient at it.
I do remember that scene. What got sliced up was his fake 'fat' body. Look, here's his 'fat' appearance. Now, here is what his real body looks like. That's because his robe - and the 'fat' body - were made of his 'sticky sticky' material. He was using that fake body to conceal his movements when he dodged attacks, as was shown on this page and the next one.
First, again, Trebol was a paramecia using his powers to manipulate the substance comprising his fake body.
Second, yes they could. Don't you recall Punk Hazard, with Kinemon's various body parts acting independently? IIRC, that was also shown on Sabaody.
How? He did such a good job that even after a reveal explaining it pretty clearly, some people still insist that he was a logia. That means he did a great job of portraying him as a fake logia.
I beg to differ.A well portrayed fake logia would raise doubts only before being explained…not after.Being sliced in many pieces by Usopp, reataching himself and then being a paramecia?That's some Buggy shit right here.
If Oda wanted to enforce later that he wasn't a logia,at least he could have made Trebol being cut in a different way in that scene....no matter how much "fake body" do you possess,you cannot fake size unless you have some hidden stilts there.The way he was cut in his fight against Usopp,his size was gone…and you must remember very well that Trebol's real body is truly tall,although skinny.
So,yeah...i got Oda's idea,but i just think that it wasn't well executed.
