@Galaxy:
Nothing at all. His scripts will still be viewable on Mangahelpers on Friday afternoons when he usually posts his scripts.
Which one? The one commonly used in most dialogue bubbles is Anime Ace 2.0.
Yeap that one… thanks.
But again to cnet. Why the change?
But again to cnet. Why the change?
Well, we've been looking for a dedicated translator for the series for a while. CNET's scripts were posted on Mangahelper's, but we didn't have him around to chat with and discuss certain wordings in the translation.
This allows us to release sooner with almost no quality loss translation wise. Hopefully it'll help lessen some of the confusion Panda/Stream cause until Viz comes out the following Monday.
Even so, if something gets brought to our attention, it'll get fixed accordingly if needed. Like the sky island thing:
And he went with "suicide by jumping from the rarest sky island" instead of "suicide by the rare act of jumping from a sky island".
This was an error. We're releasing a second version here soon, but the line should actually be along the lines of "An almost unheard of suicide by jumping from a sky island."
@Galaxy:
Well, we've been looking for a dedicated translator for the series for a while. CNET's scripts were posted on Mangahelper's, but we didn't have him around to chat with and discuss certain wordings in the translation.
This allows us to release sooner with almost no quality loss translation wise. Hopefully it'll help lessen some of the confusion Panda/Stream cause until Viz comes out the following Monday.
Even so, if something gets brought to our attention, it'll get fixed accordingly if needed. Like the sky island thing:
This was an error. We're releasing a second version here soon, but the line should actually be along the lines of "An almost unheard of suicide by jumping from a sky island."
I see… Thank You and keep on going. By far the best translation and even in form of image quality
@Galaxy:
This allows us to release sooner with almost no quality loss translation wise. Hopefully it'll help lessen some of the confusion Panda/Stream cause until Viz comes out the following Monday.
I fully intend to continue supporting Viz, but I think I enjoy your format and translation better.
@Galaxy:
"An almost unheard of suicide by jumping from a sky island."
That sentence desperately needs colon if you're going with that.
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
so that it doesn't get lost in the chapter thread
Rebbecca will be princess. Riku king. Kyros we all know where he is heading. Viola, will she, what will she do? Where is her so called marine friend which She told Sanji about? Dressorosa, is no chaos, Sabo mislead me.
@Game:
That sentence desperately needs colon if you're going with that.
Now that just makes it sound like the world's most uncomfortable bunjee jump.
Well with Dressrosa coming to an end… What do you think about this questions left in mistery?
What has Bellamy done at Skypia? Wiper should have owned his loser ass...
What is with Burgess now?
What is in Bartolomeo's case?
Why DoFla wanted Momonosuke?
What about the Ope Ope no mi now and the holy's land nationa treasure?
The 2 latter one could be answered later on… Momonosuke maybe soon as connection between Kaidou and DoFla.
Are there more open questions left?
Well Bellamy probably will have a chapter that resolves his part in this arc. Beside the Strawhats there where only Sabo, Law, Bellamy and Kyros in the last ones house. And Sabo ans Kyros had there Chapter. And i have a theory what Bellamy did on Skypia, probably nothing… and that is not because i think he is weaker then the guys there! He is now to Wiper what Noland was to Calgara, BFF...
So does everyone agree dressrosa > PH and FI
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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@Long:
So does everyone agree dressrosa > PH and FI
I'd say…we were introduced to alot of new Badass characters and had doflamingo as the villain (finally!!!)
While I seem to be in a minority that liked all three arcs, I do think Dressrosa was the best of the post time skip arcs so far.
Fishman Island was a nice little arc, but being right after the time skip there wasn't much of a challenge presented. I liked the themes presented but it was like the East Blue stuff. A few great parts with the rest just being good with nothing that blew me away (East Blue did have a few blowing away moments).
Punk Hazard lead to this arc, but had its own good moments. We had the alliance formed which was something I didn't see coming. We had set up which would build up Laws character more. The flaw being that while each antagonist was unique, it was one sided when it came to the power, and while the weapon was a cool idea, we as readers knew the Straw Hats would be okay in the end.
Dressrosa had a number of high moments with interesting developments. Doflamingos past and being the most developed villain so far was quite cool. While many didn't like a number of the crew leaving and being gone for so long, I liked the focus on all these new characters. Even if not much development for certain ones, it gave the idea of the world being much bigger, and shows that it is indeed not just the Straw Hats show. A few of the executives had really good backstories, with Senor Pink being very emotional for me. It started to drag for me near the end, but I liked the chaotic flow of the arc overall. Some focus would've helped when it came to the fights, but seeing all these various things happen in one arc all over the place was cool. Lastly, I think this is the best post arc chapters we've had when it comes to the world reaction. World Government, Supernovas, and seeing Kaido was all really great.
Dressrosa had some downsides, but I feel the big ups make up for the minor downs. Of course, the perception of the arc seems to depend on your feelings of the Riku's (especially Rebecca), the Dwarves, and Bellamy. While I had some problems with them, I liked them overall. If someone disliked even one of them, it seems to really add negativity to the feeling of this arc.
The arc is coming to an end… So let us talk about Bartolomeo...
Even Franky realized who the real MVP of this arc has been. While everyone had some role and Luffy has been the one who stopped DoFla, Bartolomeo is the real man of this arc...
!
Let us summarize
Introduced as shadow beating the shit out of a VA as revenge for veating Gambia
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/705/20
Explained to be the most hated pirate…
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/706/4
and shown to be a troll character
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/706/5
It acually became already hinte/clear that there is more to him than the simple eye of the public has seen
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/706/7
Later no one noticed that he with his powers he actually saved the citizens from King Punch
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/709/17
Not even talking about the panel that he only joined to get the fruit for "someone" which let the people, me included, speculate that he is doing it for Luffy
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/709/19
and it became true
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/720/page/6
After the ruckus has started at the island… He was the one searching for Luffy on Zoro's orders... without him they would have no contact and talk about the plans
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/725/page/9
And while doing who has he saved as well? Yeah Bellamy… the man who has given the info how Luffy could escape the colosseum... And his speech is still epic.
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/731/page/3
Moving on how he saved Rebecca's useless ass in the final fight…
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/739/page/16
Now there where a lot of scenes where he protected the running people from the pursuers… Like here
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/746/page/14
After it… Gladius came...
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/756/page/17
He blocked him and gave a way for Luffy and co to move further
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/757/page/3
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/757/page/4
even blocked the attack towards them with his body
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/757/page/6
Later he did the same for Robin and protected her that she could move on
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/772/page/10
He was ready to sacrafize himself to protect everyone from the Final Explosion by Gladius
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/773/page/13
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/773/page/14
But he came back and finished it with this epic homage
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/773/page/16
After it… he came back leading the other allies to protect the citizens of Dressrosa from DoFlas's minions and the birdcage
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/787/page/14
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/787/page/15
His barriers has been again from big use to push back the birdcage without being cut by the strings
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/788/page/6
and it gave people without haki the chance to push the cage as well
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/788/page/15
And now after the fight he again has been the MVP to plan the escape of the SHs
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/796/page/18
So Franky was right… he is the man... and maybe more awesome stuff is too come with the last chapters of Dressrosa...
In addition we shouldn't forget his whole comedy stuff which has given us more than once a laugh (while some has been annoyed).
Even if it isn't over I still have to say... Bartolomeo... You will be missed. And ss I said more than once. You are by far my favourite character post ts... and even my 2nd favourite character overall.
I hope you will come back soon
We all gonna miss the rookie who loves to boogie.
I don't want to think of a come back yet. It implies that he is about to leave :sad:
Nothing is done yet. The strawhats need a ride to zO. Anything can happen.
I wanna see my chicken voyage.
I just want Jinbei to arrive and join the crew.
I just want Jinbei to arrive and join the crew.
You'll be waiting a while, most likely.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
You'll be waiting a while, most likely.
No don't say that! It's been like 4 years already since Luffy gave him the invitation! :sad:
Hopefully hopefully hopefully with Doflamingo out of the way Oda feels it's time to reintroduce Jinbe. I wanted him on Dressrosa but if both Jinbe and Law were helping Luffy defeat Doflamingo's empire that probably would not have went over too well. I mean the story could have been written just as well if Jinbe was there but 2 War Lords VS 1? Something about that doesn't sit right with me even though Jinbe seems to be on the lower end of the completely overwhelming War Lord scale.
If the Tea Party is over I could totally see Jinbe just barely getting away from Big Mom and somehow locating Zou or Wano.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯ 
Jinbe is a candidate that might tell the SHs what happened during the tea party, which means it can´t take that long anymore.
Also Jinbe not being part of the crew for taking down the first yonkou seems unlikely in my eyes.
It all depends when Wano will come into the story, because that will be the start of the Kaidou-saga in my eyes, so Jinbe has to show up before that.
On the contraire, the crew HAS to be complete for the elimination of the first emperor.
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Or Kaidou and Big Mom both tie in the same arc
On the contraire, the crew HAS to be complete for the elimination of the first emperor.
I think you're right.
After Oda's comment about the next crew mates joining one after another I feel like if Jinbe joins before the first Emperor goes down the other will as well.
And I went Jimbe mode for the ocation. I'd wish I could find the original artist of my avatars, or see if I can find a version with Law, Buggy and a blank spot for the 7th.
If the crew has to be complete before taking down the first one of the Yonkou, i guess Bonney should hurry and meet the crew quickly 
All potential new SH members after the first yonkou defeat, might be more material for Luffy´s fleet in the end.
Just like Law, supernova might not join the actual crew, rather than being high class allies.
I think for a few years Bonney has a good chance to join, but she might be linked with Maryjoa or furthermore the reverie, which puts her later in the story.
That makes it more likely for her to just be an ally in the end.
No don't say that! It's been like 4 years already since Luffy gave him the invitation! :sad:
We just saw Kaido for the first time after 8 years of waiting, you can handle this, Romance! :)
Hopefully hopefully hopefully with Doflamingo out of the way Oda feels it's time to reintroduce Jinbe. I wanted him on Dressrosa but if both Jinbe and Law were helping Luffy defeat Doflamingo's empire that probably would not have went over too well. I mean the story could have been written just as well if Jinbe was there but 2 War Lords VS 1? Something about that doesn't sit right with me
Yeah, having 2 warlords on Luffy's side against 1 seems like it would make for a really unbalanced arc, battle wise (well, even more so).
even though Jinbe seems to be on the lower end of the completely overwhelming War Lord scale.
One of the downsides of having never been an antagonist to the SH's in any way, shape of form.
It's the domain of antagonistic characters to be given seemingly overwhelming strength.
If the Tea Party is over I could totally see Jinbe just barely getting away from Big Mom and somehow locating Zou or Wano.
I just can't see Jinbei returning that soon tbh.
He has his own stuff with Big Mom to be explored and I imagine Oda will try to prevent that getting mixed up with Kaido/Drake/Wano/Doffy etc.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
We just saw Kaido for the first time after 8 years of waiting, you can handle this, Romance! :)
Yeah, having 2 warlords on Luffy's side against 1 seems like it would make for a really unbalanced arc, battle wise (well, even more so).
One of the downsides of having never been an antagonist to the SH's in any way, shape of form.
It's the domain of antagonistic characters to be given seemingly overwhelming strength.
I just can't see Jinbei returning that soon tbh.
He has his own stuff with Big Mom to be explored and I imagine Oda will try to prevent that getting mixed up with Kaido/Drake/Wano/Doffy etc.
There is Hancock though, who easily beat a Vice Admiral while barely lifting a finger and is one of the closest allies of Luffy. And looking at the grand scheme of things, Crocodile and Moria were not that overwhelmingly strong either. Croc was our first time seeing how powerful people in the Grand Line can be after seeing Mihawk of course while Moria had 8 years to prepare an army that did not even manage to take out a rookie crew.
I would not be sure about the last part, if anything, Caesar seems to be the key that will mix them up. I may be mistaken of course but i do not think that either Tamago´s crew nor Capone will give up on him and if Capone works for BM, that´s a big if of course, then i think we might see an arc with 2 Yonkou, as unbelievable as it sounds.
There is Hancock though, who easily beat a Vice Admiral while barely lifting a finger and is one of the closest allies of Luffy.
Hancock is strong, yes, but not to the point of being overwhelming.
A lot of her power comes from a rather hax fruit as well.
Also, are we talking about Momonga or Smoker?
And looking at the grand scheme of things, Crocodile and Moria were not that overwhelmingly strong either. Croc was our first time seeing how powerful people in the Grand Line can be after seeing Mihawk of course while Moria had 8 years to prepare an army that did not even manage to take out a rookie crew.
At the time, they were shown to be seemingly much more powerful than Luffy, obviously to give them a real threatening feel during their respective arcs.
I would not be sure about the last part, if anything, Caesar seems to be the key that will mix them up.
If they do get mixed up, I'd be more inclined to say that Shirahoshi would be the key.
I may be mistaken of course but i do not think that either Tamago´s crew nor Capone will give up on him and if Capone works for BM, that´s a big if of course, then i think we might see an arc with 2 Yonkou, as unbelievable as it sounds.
Well, we've yet to see what condition the BM Pirates are in after their confrontation with the Swirlyhats, or if they even have a clue where they've gone.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Hancock is strong, yes, but not to the point of being overwhelming.
A lot of her power comes from a rather hax fruit as well.
Also, are we talking about Momonga or Smoker?
At the time, they were shown to be seemingly much more powerful than Luffy, obviously to give them a real threatening feel during their respective arcs.
If they do get mixed up, I'd be more inclined to say that Shirahoshi would be the key.
Well, we've yet to see what condition the BM Pirates are in after their confrontation with the Swirlyhats, or if they even have a clue where they've gone.
I disagree, all 3 types of Haki, back when we had not even an idea what Haki really is (well, some idea of course but no clarification) and a deadly fruit just like DD´s, i see no real difference to be honest, except the difference in portrayal of an ally and a future villain of course which is simply necessary. The fact that she has not been presented as menacing as DD for example is simply the fact she quickly turned into an ally but it was made clear that she is among the best in the world, including but not only due to the fact that Sengoku himself hyped her immensely.
And yeah, i am talking about Momonga. I am not trying to turn this into a strength discussion or anything of course (ugh) but for me, Hancock has been presented as one of the strongest characters in the OP world and Luffy got really lucky that he managed to get her emotional back on Amazon Lily.
Yeah but that´s why i said in the grand scheme of things. Like i said, Croc was our first eye opener to the level of the Grand Line (his own words iirc) but his role of a villain did not really make him one of the most powerful characters in the OP world, putting aside whether that´s still true of course, he was simply stronger because Luffy was still a rookie who did not know anything at taht point. Moria´s case is an even more impactful example of a villain not necessarily being strong in the OP world, if anything, Moria might be the weakest main villain Luffy had to face in the Grand Line and was simply a danger due having amassed zombies for the last 10 years at that point but we have seen how strong he was compared to Jinbe (who was presented as much more powerful than Luffy at that point as well by the way) and his villain status did not help much at that point as well.
To be honest, i think Oda managed to make the introduced characters, their role, their strength etc in relation to the entire world pretty transparent and coherent. Jinbe is simply not that strong compared to other Shichibukai, the fact that he turned out to be an ally is not really significant regarding his strength.
Possible but that would imply that we would travel back to Fishman Island or at least see Kaidou´s people attack Fishman Island and Big Mom´s reaction to this. I may be mistaken of course but considering Kaidou´s wish to find a place to die, even being the biggest motivator to starting this war, i do not think using an Ancient Weapon would be the smartest choice. Then again, it might not even be Kaidou´s own decision to try to get Shirahoshi, we will see.
True, does not change my point though. If BM somehow gets wind of Caesar being at Wa No for example (or any of Kaidou´s territories for that matter), i do not think she would hesitate to try to get him, at least that was my impression, and which could result in a confrontation between three different fronts.
I disagree, all 3 types of Haki, back when we had not even an idea what Haki really is (well, some idea of course but no clarification)
Haki usage doesn't automatically make you strong though.
It's nice to have it, but it's not a necessity or even a genuine indicator of strength.
and a deadly fruit just like DD´s
I think that's a bit of a push.
Anyway, Perona's fruit was pretty deadly, does that mean she's immensly powerful?
but it was made clear that she is among the best in the world
I'm sorry, when was this?
She's used a hax fruit on some soldiers and kicked some vice admirals around.
Law must be the king of the universe if that's the criteria for being among the best in the world.
, including but not only due to the fact that Sengoku himself hyped her immensely.
Sengoku hype is not synonymous with insane power.
And yeah, i am talking about Momonga. I am not trying to turn this into a strength discussion or anything of course (ugh) but for me, Hancock has been presented as one of the strongest characters in the OP world
…I genuinely don't know where this was coming from.
You think Hancock is up there with the Yonkos and Admirals of the OP world?
Jinbe is simply not that strong compared to other Shichibukai, the fact that he turned out to be an ally is not really significant regarding his strength.
He fought a Whitebeard commander to a draw and one shotted Moria, a fellow shichibukai.
Jinbei is powerful, but like I said, he's been compromised by being introduced as a good guy right from the start.
From the beginning he had to be strong to justify his title, but not strong enough to be able to defeat Magellan or else there would be no expense in the ID arc.
Possible but that would imply that we would travel back to Fishman Island or at least see Kaidou´s people attack Fishman Island and Big Mom´s reaction to this. I may be mistaken of course but considering Kaidou´s wish to find a place to die, even being the biggest motivator to starting this war, i do not think using an Ancient Weapon would be the smartest choice. Then again, it might not even be Kaidou´s own decision to try to get Shirahoshi, we will see.
Well, thanks to Sharly, we know we'll be heading back to FI at some point.
True, does not change my point though. If BM somehow gets wind of Caesar being at Wa No for example (or any of Kaidou´s territories for that matter), i do not think she would hesitate to try to get him, at least that was my impression, and which could result in a confrontation between three different fronts.
That's quite a jump.
Sending Pekoms and Tamago after Caesar around Dressrosa is one thing, sending them into the territory of another Yonko is something else entirely.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Haki usage doesn't automatically make you strong though.
It's nice to have it, but it's not a necessity or even a genuine indicator of strength.
While I agree that CoO or CoA might not be any indicator, CoC is supposed to be an indicator of the best.
Except Chinjao(who is way past his prime), everyone with CoC is a monster.
Hancock being the only female till now to possess the King's Haki is surely not a small matter.
Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
A day or two before Jinbe joins. That might be like a year or two, to us readers…
While I agree that CoO or CoA might not be any indicator, CoC is supposed to be an indicator of the best.
Except Chinjao(who is way past his prime), everyone with CoC is a monster.
Hancock being the only female till now to possess the King's Haki is surely not a small matter.
We have yet to see any vice admiral/admiral or fleet admiral use CoC. Even excluding the fluctuating VAs, no admiral has used it yet. They're definitely amongst the strongest in the series, so it's not always a good indicator to look out for. Indeed a lot of monsters do have CoC but some characters who have it don't always reach those monstrous heights (Ace never really mastered it did he and was older than Luffy was when he died).
Blackbeard has had his fair share of appearances and has yet to show it (I'm sure he has it but it hasn't really been shown)
Hancock isn't strong? Are you fucking serious?
Man you guys argue just for the sake of argument, huh.
While I agree that CoO or CoA might not be any indicator, CoC is supposed to be an indicator of the best.
Except Chinjao(who is way past his prime), everyone with CoC is a monster.
They have potential to be a monster, yes.
However, it's not just an automatic jump to insane strength just because you possess CoC.
Both Ace and Doffy used CoC while they were still kids, and obviously weren't very strong at the time.
Meanwhile, we have characters like the admirals, none of whom have displayed CoC.
CoC for me, indicates a fantastic amount of spirit and an iron will, the will of a conqueror and the burning ambition inherent within it.
I don't take it as an automatic indicator of strength.
Hancock being the only female till now to possess the King's Haki is surely not a small matter.
Hancock is an impressive character, yes.
However, her capacity to use CoC does not make me think of her along the same lines as the Yonko or the admirals is all.
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@Jazzy:
Hancock isn't strong? Are you fucking serious?
Man you guys argue just for the sake of argument, huh.
One of the guys thinks Hancock is one of the strongest characters in the OP world, along the lines of The Yonko or The Admirals.
I do not.
It's a pretty legit argument.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
They have potential to be a monster, yes.
However, it's not just an automatic jump to insane strength just because you possess CoC.
Both Ace and Doffy used CoC while they were still kids, and obviously weren't very strong at the time.
Meanwhile, we have characters like the admirals, none of whom have displayed CoC.
CoC for me, indicates a fantastic amount of spirit and an iron will, the will of a conqueror and the burning ambition inherent within it.
I don't take it as an automatic indicator of strength.
Hancock is an impressive character, yes.
However, her capacity to use CoC does not make me think of her along the same lines as the Yonko or the admirals is all.
Oh. Didn't knew she was being compared to Yonko and such. I agree that that is a bit of a stretch.
Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
Oh. Didn't knew she was being compared to Yonko and such. I agree that that is a bit of a stretch.
Yeah, I thought so too.
How the hell did you manage to derail this topic from Dressrosa to a Hancock power level debate? AP never ceases to amaze me [emoji2]
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Other than in the 3D2Y special we've not seen Hancock struggle, she made light work of pacifista pre-timeskip, made light work of Smoker (that's hardly a feat though, seems like everyone and their mom is defeating him), Momonga had a hard on and had to stab himself. No one really fucks with the pirate empress, if we HAD to place her in power level rankings ladder, she'd easily be above Vice-Admiral level, definitely below admirals, even post timeskip I don't think any of the worst generation are admiral level yet. In warlord terms it's probably Mihawk>Doffy/Kuma>Hancock>Law>Jinbei>Crocodile>Moria>Buggy (don't really know where the unknown one that's yet to be revealed would fit into that).
A day or two before Jinbe joins. That might be like a year or two, to us readers…
If I got my way Jinbe would have already been done with his business and he's just about made his way to Dressrosa, Zou or Wano already.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
One of the guys thinks Hancock is one of the strongest characters in the OP world, along the lines of The Yonko or The Admirals.
I do not.
It's a pretty legit argument.
Ah. Then yeah, that's ridiculous. Sorry then.
It just seems like everyone is always trying to de-hype Hancock and claim she's way weaker than we can reasonably assume. I swear a lot of people think she's the weakest warlord, it's aggravating. Just like a lot of people assume Big Mom is the weakest yonko when we know jack shit about her.
I mean God forbid we have 2 or 3 compotent females in a manga overrun with hundreds of dudes leading the charge. =P
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If I got my way Jinbe would have already been done with his business and he's just about made his way to Dressrosa, Zou or Wano already.
I swear I feel you on this. Everyone talks about missing Sanji and the rest but honestly I consider Jinbe to already be a Straw Hat and he's been gone way longer. One of the things I miss about Jinbe is how you can literally feel the comraderie between him and Luffy; it's like they've been friends for years and it's that type of friendship that makes them more brothers than anything. I love it. =)
Not to mention he has great interactions with the rest of the crew. I can understand why Oda had him wait but I do feel something noticably missing without him present.
Haki usage doesn't automatically make you strong though.
It's nice to have it, but it's not a necessity or even a genuine indicator of strength.
I think that's a bit of a push.
Anyway, Perona's fruit was pretty deadly, does that mean she's immensly powerful?
I'm sorry, when was this?
She's used a hax fruit on some soldiers and kicked some vice admirals around.
Law must be the king of the universe if that's the criteria for being among the best in the world.
Sengoku hype is not synonymous with insane power.
…I genuinely don't know where this was coming from.
You think Hancock is up there with the Yonkos and Admirals of the OP world?
He fought a Whitebeard commander to a draw and one shotted Moria, a fellow shichibukai.
Jinbei is powerful, but like I said, he's been compromised by being introduced as a good guy right from the start.
From the beginning he had to be strong to justify his title, but not strong enough to be able to defeat Magellan or else there would be no expense in the ID arc.
Well, thanks to Sharly, we know we'll be heading back to FI at some point.
That's quite a jump.
Sending Pekoms and Tamago after Caesar around Dressrosa is one thing, sending them into the territory of another Yonko is something else entirely.
Having Haoushoku puts you in an elite club and yes, i do having all 3 types of Haki is a sign of strength.
No because Perona´s fruit worked only one way without any physical strength, Haki or anything to back it up.
Yes, Sengoku being in a position of a more or less most experienced fighter in the world, being hyped by him does equal that actually.
I do not think she is as strong as Yonkou or Admiral, pure conjecture at this point of course but also due to not having the same kind of hype they got but i do think her ability in itself is one of the most dangerous in the world.
Jinbe´s title was justified already by the Gorosei´s goal to build a symbol of friendship between fishmen and humans, his strength was just a plus. In addition, your point was that Jinbe was held up being stronger due to his status as ally and that not being an antagonist of the Strawhats as Moria for example, who, as you claimed, was depicted as such but not long after the same guy who was apparently not strong because of being an ally one-shotted the guy who was supposed to because he was an antagonist. I see some contradiction here.
Yep, when Luffy destroys Fishman Island but that can only happen once the Fishmen actually found a place to live on the surface which in turn can also only happen once the Reverie is done. Unless you think the reverie will be just included in a saga in which Kaidou is the final antagonist, i think we can put that ad acta.
Sending Pekomz and Tamago was the logical thing to do since 1) as always, the Strawhats are being underestimated and 2) they were right after their tail anyway. Does not decrease the chance that BM might move, depending on her personality and her desire to get Caesar but i will admit it´s a bit of a stretch.
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Other than in the 3D2Y special we've not seen Hancock struggle, she made light work of pacifista pre-timeskip, made light work of Smoker (that's hardly a feat though, seems like everyone and their mom is defeating him), Momonga had a hard on and had to stab himself. No one really fucks with the pirate empress, if we HAD to place her in power level rankings ladder, she'd easily be above Vice-Admiral level, definitely below admirals, even post timeskip I don't think any of the worst generation are admiral level yet. In warlord terms it's probably Mihawk>Doffy/Kuma>Hancock>Law>Jinbei>Crocodile>Moria>Buggy (don't really know where the unknown one that's yet to be revealed would fit into that).
Putting stuff like feats aside, it´s also a matter of depiction really. We have seen only 4 characters so far toy with Vice Admirals, Doflamingo at Mariejoa, Whitebeard in the war (Ronze and John Giant iirc), Sabo, who soon after fought Fujitora equally by the way, though of course it was pointed out that Fujitora help back a bit due to gambling on Luffy, against Bastille recently and of course Hancock with Momonga.
How is it that both this thread and the recent chapter thread both have drifted into discussions about Hancock's power and at the same time?
You'll be waiting a while, most likely.
I'll give it another 3 years before we see his return.
Having Haoushoku puts you in an elite club and yes, i do having all 3 types of Haki is a sign of strength.
Anyone can learn to hone two of the styles with enough training, they don't automatically make you strong.
CoC can only be used by a chosen few, yet when it think about it, it's really not a sign of strength, since it could be possessed by somebody who goes on to never have a single battle in their life.
Having the 3 types does not automatically make you strong.
No because Perona´s fruit worked only one way without any physical strength, Haki or anything to back it up.
Hancock's fruit could defeat the vast majority of people in the same way.
Yes, Sengoku being in a position of a more or less most experienced fighter in the world, being hyped by him does equal that actually.
It's Sengoku's opinion, and an arbitrary idea of how formidable she is.
So no, an endorsement by Sengoku does not make Hancock one of the strongest characters in the series like you say.
I do not think she is as strong as Yonkou or Admiral, pure conjecture at this point of course
Yet you claim she's one of the "strongest characters in the series".
If she was, surely she'd be in and around the same level of ability as those kind of characters?
but also due to not having the same kind of hype they got but i do think her ability in itself is one of the most dangerous in the world.
So is Perona's, but you dismissed that a minute ago because it didn't have anything else backing it up apparently.
Now it's ok to just focus on somebody's hax DF powers.
Just keep me updated when you're changing the rules.
Jinbe´s title was justified already by the Gorosei´s goal to build a symbol of friendship between fishmen and humans, his strength was just a plus.
Yep, they just happened to pick the strongest fishman of the lot.
If they primarily wanted to foster friendship between humans and fishmen, then King Neptune would have been the guy to talk to and work with.
Seems like strength was a pretty big factor.
In addition, your point was that Jinbe was held up being stronger due to his status as ally and that not being an antagonist of the Strawhats as Moria for example, who, as you claimed, was depicted as such but not long after the same guy who was apparently not strong because of being an ally one-shotted the guy who was supposed to because he was an antagonist. I see some contradiction here.
No contradiction at all.
Moriah was built up to be crazy powerful within his own arc, raising his threat level and creating tension, suspense etc.
By the time Marineford came around, Moriah was far from the main focus, and a sacrificial piece to use.
Jinbei has never had the main focus of an arc as a villain, and as such he has never been portrayed in way where he seems unbeatable.
While he may have slapped Moriah around at MF, he himself also paled in comparison to the villains of the arc, namely the admirals.
Sending Pekomz and Tamago was the logical thing to do since 1) as always, the Strawhats are being underestimated and 2) they were right after their tail anyway. Does not decrease the chance that BM might move, depending on her personality and her desire to get Caesar but i will admit it´s a bit of a stretch.
Yeah, but again that wasn't into the territory of another Yonko.
Do you think she'd have sent P&T in gung-ho if the SH#s had ended up on say, Kaido's favourite island?
Yep, they just happened to pick the strongest fishman of the lot.
If they primarily wanted to foster friendship between humans and fishmen, then King Neptune would have been the guy to talk to and work with.
Seems like strength was a pretty big factor.
It seems with most of the Shichibukai that fostering peace isn't as important to them as neutralizing or deferring threats without giving any openly political concessions a treaty would bring. A war with Amazon Lily or the risk of revealing whatever secret Doflamingo holds is something they probably would survive but they weren't ready to pay the cost.
In Jinbei's case it was because he inherited the mantle of leader of the Sun Pirates. A role he got, of course, because of his strength. The Sun Pirates were a very real threat to the status quo and even after the death of Fisher Tiger could have continued to drain resources and drawn open rebellion or Yonkou incursions closer.
By co-opting Jinbei they get a cease to open hostilities with the hostile elements of the Fishmen.
What's up with the recent spike in power level discussions?
If I got my way Jinbe would have already been done with his business and he's just about made his way to Dressrosa, Zou or Wano already.
Not far, not far at all from happening. He will along with Akainu and Kuzan play a big part in the war that Kaido spoke off, if that famous picture where all the yonko, strawheart, samurai, Kid, Apoo, Hawkins one. Im beginning to think that war will include mainly those in that picture. shanks and Blackbeard as well.Kid's resources and these are some of the reasoms why i believe Kid alliance have a better shot than we are thinking. Still might not be as cohesive as that, might just be our protagonist and friends vs that beast Kaido and Big Mom. Succesively or together.
Also, the supernovas only seemed to have displayed a fraction of what they are capable of doing two years ago based on Laws performance. So Apoo, Hawkins and Kid will definitely do well against Kaido, although i believe apart from a single round of exchanges they talked out their differences. Hawkins defence and form is certainly intriguing to me.
