According to you that is . Not a fact . Just an opinion backed up with a person who claims to know professional authors ( of course he does ) yet everything he posts regarding storytelling just end up showing how little to none he actually knows .
Official Dressrosa Thread
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You are acting obtuse. And I'm pretty sure it is a deliberate attempt to provoke me, at this point. Not taking it, sorry.
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Smoker let it rain? I must have forgot something. How exactly did he do that? Didn't he refuse having used the rain powder?
There was a special rain-making ship. Smoker says he doesn't want to go against the king's wishes, but they never explain how it works.
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Hmm about the rain, you guys are free to believe what happened but I explained that before.[]([url][link]
I'll repost it though since the links are dead and some errors on my wording.
[quote]The way I saw that incident when the drought happened was due to Crocodile's power.
Let me explain.
At age 23, Robin entered the Grand line from West Blue (7 years ago WITH the timeskip).
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At age 24, Robin was recruited by Crocodile and creates ) [I'll repost it though since the links are dead and some errors on my wording.](I'll repost it though since the links are dead and some errors on my wording.
[quote]The way I saw that incident when the drought happened was due to Crocodile's power.
Let me explain.
At age 23, Robin entered the Grand line from West Blue (7 years ago WITH the timeskip).
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At age 24, Robin was recruited by Crocodile and creates )
[The way I saw that incident when the drought happened was due to Crocodile's power.
Let me explain.
At age 23, Robin entered the Grand line from West Blue (7 years ago WITH the timeskip).
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At age 24, Robin was recruited by Crocodile and creates "Baroque Works". (6 years ago with the timeskip)](I'll repost it though since the links are dead and some errors on my wording.
[quote]The way I saw that incident when the drought happened was due to Crocodile's power.
Let me explain.
At age 23, Robin entered the Grand line from West Blue (7 years ago WITH the timeskip).
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At age 24, Robin was recruited by Crocodile and creates ) OP Timeline
With the timeskip, 5 years ago Alasbasta experienced drought that only the capital, Alubarna wasn't affected by.
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Then 4 years ago with the timeskip, the King was framed to be using Dance Powder by Baroque Works. This is also when Vivi infiltrates the organization.
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That year gap between Crocodile recruited Robin then created Baroque Works and when the drought started in Alabasta would also make sense with the planning and preparation needed in order to take over the country.
I don't believe the rain starting to fall again was a coincidence after Crocodile was knocked unconscious. I imagine it similar as when Ace was in Drum Island and snow did not fall that day.
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Which makes sense due to Logia powers coming from Nature, but if you do want to believe in Smoker's perfect timing and decision to use the illegal "Dance Powder" to which would solve none of their problems, then feel free.
This is the crappy translation with the editor/translator blurb
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I was already aware how easily people could mistake that scene, but that translation isn't exactly in good quality, which doesn't help.
You might have as well used the official anime translation.
[Hina]: Smoker-kun! What on earth is this rain?
[Hina]: Don't tell me you used the Dance Powder?!
[Smoker]: You idiot.
[Smoker]: I do know better than to commit a crime.
[Smoker]: The Alabasta King kept his hands off of this powder. What's the point in me going against his morals now?
[Hina]: Oh, excuse me. Hina apologize.
[Hina]: I can't believe the "White Hunter" of all men would say something sweet.
[Hina]: I wonder if you've mellowed out a little…
[Smoker]: That's none of your business.Also, it really is one thing for Smoker to mellow out after he finally caught Luffy/Straw Hats only to have his life saved, then makes the decision to let the Straw Hats go for now - which Hina notices. It's another to say Smoker, out of all people would commit a crime, especially when it'd be like spitting on King Cobra's and the people of Alabasta's morals.
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No, I believe that he has treated SOME of them unfairly. Burgess and Fujitora being first and foremost examples. And even in the case of Rebecca, I would hesitate to call her treatment fair.
It's actually pretty fair. The Riku Family and the Dwarves get plenty of focus because we will probably not see them again for a long while, while Burgess and Fujitora will have other opportunities to do more stuff later, as they belong to fairly important groups that are not tied to a single arc. Sabo too as he was introduced a bit later than the others and has not been very featured since his encounter with Fujitora.
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There are plenty of people that found Bellamy being suddenly best buddies with Luffy stupid. Me included.
I think Luffy doesn't like subordinates being treated badly.
He would probably have acted the same way for Mr 3 if he had seen Crocodile killing him, especially if Mr 3 were still following Crocodile after getting that treatment. But that's just me.Bon Chan… well... yes? Don't get me wrong, I like Bon Chan a lot, but he did start a civil war that claimed many lives.
I am not saying he didn't do bad things. But as you said, we can like people who we know have been wrong in the past.
Granny might have hatred towards Rebecca for superficial reasons, but that doesn't stop me from liking her just like Bon chan starting a civil war didn't stop me from liking him in Impel Down.And what about Yokozuna? I don't remember them being enemies much.
My mistake. I was remembering the Anime where Yokozuna attacked a ship for practice just like he does with the sea train. It resulted in deaths of most.
Of course, in the same arc, we have Franky.
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So Smoker left Tashigi all alone to take some fodders on a ship. I don't buy it.
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It's actually pretty fair. The Riku Family and the Dwarves get plenty of focus because we will probably not see them again for a long while, while Burgess and Fujitora will have other opportunities to do more stuff later, as they belong to fairly important groups that are not tied to a single arc. Sabo too as he was introduced a bit later than the others and has not been very featured since his encounter with Fujitora.
Sometimes I agree with you so much that I want write a poem about it
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Any guesses on what happens to Doffy and his crew after he's defeated?
As others have mentioned, Doffy could be captured by the Revolutionaries, hauled to Impel Down, or even become a pirate again.
If he does that no doubt Kaido will scour the world for him.
It'd be really interesting to see what happens to him and his motley crew after this arc.
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Any guesses on what happens to Doffy and his crew after he's defeated?
As others have mentioned, Doffy could be captured by the Revolutionaries, hauled to Impel Down, or even become a pirate again.
If he does that no doubt Kaido will scour the world for him.
It'd be really interesting to see what happens to him and his motley crew after this arc.
They all will die.
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Naaaaaaaah
Mansherry has too big a heart not to save them lol
No saving them from Kaidos wrath.
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No saving them from Kaidos wrath.
Maybe he could ask for protection from another Yonkou, like Blackbeard. I don't want Doffy to die though, he's an interesting character.
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This arc so far looks like the sloppiest story telling in OnePiece so far. It looks like there are random over powered moves coming literally out of nowhere. DD Awakening is like, ok I get it you have a major haxx ability that now has unlimited haxx potential. Also though, Lao G's power move? And now Sai? What the heck is that? If its NOT a Devil Fruit and its NOT Haki then its just a made up power now? And Manshelly's DF has no consistency. It looks like devil fruit powers get more ridiculous and random. I dont mean to just vomit all of my discontent but this arc feels like a fanfiction joke right now. I just can't be ok with all of the 'coincidences' that end up helping the Straw Hats achieve everything they want to achieve. A big example of this is when Robin just happens to call about having the key to Law's handcuffs when Law mentions that he still needs them removed.
It seems as if there are just too many new elements that Oda doesnt have time to explain because he threw in way too many new charachters and ideas at once.
Finally I am a bit unsatisfied with Gear 4th. Im not unsatisfied becuse it's lame. It's not that. Gear 4th is a very cool power but now Luffy has become a character that is nothing without his devil fruit. In this respect I now see Zoro as the true strongest member of the crew. Luffy even mentions that he NEEDED to use Gear 4th to defeat monsters on Amazon Lily those two years. Like, I get it, you have a very interesting power, but how does it make you an different than Hody Jones who uses drugs and steroids to power up. And make no mistake eating a devil fruit or a smile is consuming a drug.
Zoro fights purely on his own physical and mental ability. He is truly strong. How would Luffy compare without his devil fruit?
The other member of the monster trio, Sanji, is just an absurd character at this point. He didn't eat a fire devil fruit but he has fire powers? As far as we know its no haki move or anything and this fire even burns underwater? Where is this random fire ability coming from? I just feel cheated by the author because I love this storyline so much. And I am not against absurd and funny elements in story telling. I love humor here and there, but One Piece is slipping into becoming a joke of a story rather than a solid story that tells jokes.
I hope I dont get hated or banned for this. I would really like other fans opinions because I hope I am wrong. I hope that Oda is still a great story teller and there are no plot holes. I hope that this story is as great or greater now as compared to when it first began but I am slowly getting disillusioned by some of the absurd new elements.
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Maybe he could ask for protection from another Yonkou, like Blackbeard. I don't want Doffy to die though, he's an interesting character.
He is killing machine alright and somebody really close to pure evil but at same time he has all kinds of death signs all over him so even as I really like him as bad guy I think his days will be really over very soon.
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This arc so far looks like the sloppiest story telling in OnePiece so far. It looks like there are random over powered moves coming literally out of nowhere. DD Awakening is like, ok I get it you have a major haxx ability that now has unlimited haxx potential. Also though, Lao G's power move? And now Sai? What the heck is that? If its NOT a Devil Fruit and its NOT Haki then its just a made up power now? And Manshelly's DF has no consistency. It looks like devil fruit powers get more ridiculous and random. I dont mean to just vomit all of my discontent but this arc feels like a fanfiction joke right now. I just can't be ok with all of the 'coincidences' that end up helping the Straw Hats achieve everything they want to achieve. A big example of this is when Robin just happens to call about having the key to Law's handcuffs when Law mentions that he still needs them removed.
It seems as if there are just too many new elements that Oda doesnt have time to explain because he threw in way too many new charachters and ideas at once.Your post all over the place .
What about Sai ? all he did was a cart wheel kick with haki , mansherry power have not been show to much so what about consistency.
Awakening has been mentions years ago.
Also voila was looking for the key so they going to get it to luffy somehow.Finally I am a bit unsatisfied with Gear 4th. Im not unsatisfied becuse it's lame. It's not that. Gear 4th is a very cool power but now Luffy has become a character that is nothing without his devil fruit. In this respect I now see Zoro as the true strongest member of the crew. Luffy even mentions that he NEEDED to use Gear 4th to defeat monsters on Amazon Lily those two years. Like, I get it, you have a very interesting power, but how does it make you an different than Hody Jones who uses drugs and steroids to power up. And make no mistake eating a devil fruit or a smile is consuming a drug.
Zoro fights purely on his own physical and mental ability. He is truly strong. How would Luffy compare without his devil fruit?
Of course luffy is going to train his DF his fighting style is base on that and cqc combat .
You use the tools you have to get stronger and luffy has had it since he was a child .
Saying what is luffy without his DF is like saying what is Zoro without his swords since he is not a physical fighter .
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My post is simply saying this arc has been sloppy and, unfortunately, there seem to be plot points that Oda pulls out of his a** for lack of a better term. Im talking about this attack that makes Sai the new leader of the Heppo Navy. The same power Diamond head ossan used to cut ice. There is no explanation for where he gets this power kick from since it's not a devil fruit ability. And it's not any of the 3 haki's as they've been explained so far. Sanji is the same with his random fire moves. It seems like an a** pull. Even Luffy with his Red Hawk, the dedication is heartwarming, but that his arm really catches fire just comes off as phoney and fake.
As for Luffy, his increasing dependence on his DF is destroying his body. If gear 2 is damaging to his health i can only imagine what gear 4 is doing to him. The Pirate King Gol D Roger as well as Silvers Rayleigh, Shanks, and even the Hero Garph were strong enough to be successful without devil fruit abilities (although it is not confirmed Gol D did not use a devil fruit). I understand that Luffy has a ways to go to reach that level but that's why he practiced for 2 years, and he is still just barely able to defeat DD? And not even on his own mind you. This awakening just seems like an excuse for Luffy to depend more on his DF in the future. Zoro may use his swords but his swords don't add to his strength, his swords dont act as steroid inhancers the way Luffy's Gear 4 does. Like Mihawk, Zoro could use a butter knife and still do extensive damage. Zoro is already physically and mentally strong swords don't add or take away from that.
Anyway I dont want this to turn into a Zoro vs Luffy debate. I am just voicing my desire to see Luffy get strong. Strong enough that toying with his devil fruit becomes secondary to his real power. Strong enough that he doesn't need to drain all his energy to take out a pawn like DD when the real yonku is being hyped to be 30x harder. As it is now he is just overexerting and destroying his body to barely succeed against DD.
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My post is simply saying this arc has been sloppy and, unfortunately, there seem to be plot points that Oda pulls out of his a** for lack of a better term. Im talking about this attack that makes Sai the new leader of the Heppo Navy. The same power Diamond head ossan used to cut ice. There is no explanation for where he gets this power kick from since it's not a devil fruit ability. And it's not any of the 3 haki's as they've been explained so far. Sanji is the same with his random fire moves. It seems like an a** pull. Even Luffy with his Red Hawk, the dedication is heartwarming, but that his arm really catches fire just comes off as phoney and fake.
Your still not making any sense when it comes to Sai or Chinjao they are using there physical power along with haki to do a martial arts move .
The name of there martial arts is call Hasshoken.
There are characters in OP world that are physical strong , Luffy , Zoro , Jozu , Garp , Burgess just to name a few.
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It seems as if there are just too many new elements that Oda doesnt have time to explain because he threw in way too many new charachters and ideas at once.
As andy pointed out, this post is a mess. Nothing you listed in the first paragraph was an example of "sloppy" writing. An awakening is not something new(and DD first used it after Luffy knocked out Bellamy). Your comments about Lao G are vague. How does Mansherry's DF have no consistency? How is Robin calling Luffy about the handcuff a coincidence that "helps the SH's achieve everything they want to achieve? Viola used her power and found the key in chapter 750.
Luffy has become a character that is nothing without his devil fruit
He isn't "nothing" without it. Why wouldn't someone take advantage of having a DF to grow stronger?
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The other member of the monster trio, Sanji, is just an absurd character at this point. He didn't eat a fire devil fruit but he has fire powers?
Before the timeskip he used friction. After the TS, it was already explained how he can ignite himself without it. He does it with anger from the trauma he suffered for 2 years. He even stated that he "heats up" when angry when he fought Jabra. This entirely within logic in the OPverse.
There is no explanation for where he gets this power kick from since it's not a devil fruit ability. And it's not any of the 3 haki's as they've been explained so far.
Chinjao blatantly stated that the Dragon Drilll is a technique they were training Sai to have. He finally mastered it when he used it on Chinjao.
Even Luffy with his Red Hawk, his arm really catches fire just comes off as phoney and fake.
He boiled the blood in his arm until it reached a point where his arm caught on fire. It's that simple.
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As for Luffy, his increasing dependence on his DF is destroying his body. If gear 2 is damaging to his health i can only imagine what gear 4 is doing to him. The Pirate King Gol D Roger as well as Silvers Rayleigh, Shanks, and even the Hero Garph were strong enough to be successful without devil fruit
Luffy fixed the problem with G2 during the TS. How strong those guys got without DF's is irrelevant.
I understand that Luffy has a ways to go to reach that level but that's why he practiced for 2 years, and he is still just barely able to defeat DD? And not even on his own mind you.
Training for 2 years won't suddenly enable someone to compete with people on Doflamingo's caliber. This post is nonsense.
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While I really do like this arc, I can't deny that the execution has been spotty. Oda is trying to learn to juggle all these different plot points in an arc, and some will fail while others will shine. The running to Doflamingo when birdcage came up went on a number of chapters too long. There was some stuff that necessary, but it felt like it could've been cut down. One Piece sometimes has the opposite problem of Bleach, where there is too much shown (which is a bigger problem depends on the situation and person). Some fights were a bit anticlimactic, and having a little more focus on each one would've helped most of them. Bellamy could've used some extra screen time I feel, but at the moment, I can't really say what could've been done to improve it. Also, the Doflamingo fight has been a bit disappointing. I liked Law getting time to shine, and Gear 4 is awesome, but some of the impact of the fight just isn't there for the fight. I think there just isn't a connection there for us to be super invested. Enes Lobby had Robin which got us emotionally connected. For this arc, Oda seems to try to give us readers multiple reasons to be invested, but none of them work that well. Doflamingo killed his brother, but still helped Law in a way as well. The Riku family suffered from Doflamingo, but even though I liked the flashback stuff with them, they aren't developed enough to make me care much. Birdcage seems to overall be a tedious addition to the arc, with some cool visual stuff, but causes problems for the readers.
Despite that, we've had some pretty good stuff. A number of people have had some great moments, such as the Usopp sniping moment, Zoro formulating and executing his plan, and Franky just in general (heavy bias there for me). Laws Flashback was pretty good, and there was the nice family dynamic going. First crew people would love to see a spinoff of. Senor Pink is one of the best developed enemy crew member, and it was from half a chapter.
So still a great arc for me, but definitely problems spread around.
As for the Dressrosa civilian problem, where the complaint is about them being stupid. I feel it's realistic, and not just the whole idea of a person is smart, people are dumb thing (I probably butchered the meaning of the phrase it came from). The fact is people act like sheep all the time, and that's been a consistent thing in the Manga, with the only one being different somewhat is Arlong Park. So makes sense in the end for me, so I don't question it.
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Horizon and Andy, Its ok that you disagree and I'm glad you can enjoy the story even with the obvious problems. You are very resilient fans to say the least
The Franky Tank I'm glad you agree that there are problems and its cool to see you still enjoy the arc as well.
In the end it is Oda's story so he will write what he loves to and he does love absurd things, it is just unfortunate that he's made so many plot decisions that are a stretch of logic in this arc.
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Horizon and Andy, Its ok that you disagree and I'm glad you can enjoy the story even with the obvious problems. You are very resilient fans to say the least
The Franky Tank I'm glad you agree that there are problems and its cool to see you still enjoy the arc as well.
In the end it is Oda's story so he will write what he loves to and he does love absurd things, it is just unfortunate that he's made so many plot decisions that are a stretch of logic in this arc.
The arc does have some problems for eg Oda having to many characters in one arc , the fights very short other than luffy vs don and few a more.
But saying some of the problems is oda ass pulling and your eg of it is characters doing martial arts is rather strange .
Did you think that there was only one martial art in the OP world ?
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Dressrosa is not a flawless arc by any means but my fucking god people sure do like to talk shit about it when it isn't even fucking finished yet . Not to mention the extremely dumb nitpicks from buildings to Doffy's strings to "asspulls" to logic to having shorter fights ( since when is that a problem for One Piece? ) to people being extremely oblivious to One Piece being a goddamn fantasy shonen series to it not needing to explain every single damn fantasy and power aspect . Jesus Christ guys wait until the arc is over and when you have actually read the arc in one sitting with good translations , like the arc's are meant to be , then you can complain about it .
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Ass pull meaning it came out of no where, but it was supposedly an established thing all along. Sorry, I didnt think that needed explanation. I enjoy it when Oda hints at something throughout the story, like CoC being hinted at since chapter one. The presence of Hasshoken, Happo navy, etc is the opposite though. Its a forced and sudden way to make the plot move forward though there was no mention of it before Dressrosa.
Im not harping on this, its only one of the examples. It became annoying because it's happened a lot this arc. Before this Oda has been great at seeding ideas throughout the story but Dressrosa has been lots of sudden new information.
The hope is that Oda does as well as he usually does and ties everything together as the story goes on. There may be events from earlier arcs that will help tie everything together too, who knows.
Also for D. Evil, u do know they receive it chapter by chapter in the original Japanese Shonen Weekly? lol
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Horizon and Andy, Its ok that you disagree and I'm glad you can enjoy the story even with the obvious problems. You are very resilient fans to say the least The Franky Tank I'm glad you agree that there are problems and its cool to see you still enjoy the arc as well. In the end it is Oda's story so he will write what he loves to and he does love absurd things, it is just unfortunate that he's made so many plot decisions that are a stretch of logic in this arc.
I agree that there are problems. Nothing is perfect. The problems I see, however, are not completely the same as the problems you have with it. Some of the stuff you listed weren't exactly asspulls. The logic for things like Sanji being able to use fire is indeed ridiculous, but that's One Piece for you. Overall, the arc has been pretty enjoyable for me thus far. The way I see it, the good significantly outweighs the bad. I think people nitpick it more than necessary.
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Jesus Christ guys wait until the arc is over and when you have actually read the arc in one sitting with good translations , like the arc's are meant to be , then you can complain about it .
Heard it first here, people.
Can't wait.
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Horizon and Andy, Its ok that you disagree and I'm glad you can enjoy the story even with the obvious problems. You are very resilient fans to say the least
The Franky Tank I'm glad you agree that there are problems and its cool to see you still enjoy the arc as well.
In the end it is Oda's story so he will write what he loves to and he does love absurd things, it is just unfortunate that he's made so many plot decisions that are a stretch of logic in this arc.
Hopefully next arc you find more enjoyable (that goes for the others as well). Has the logic stretched more than the amount of stretching Luffy can do?
@Doffy.:
Dressrosa is not a flawless arc by any means but my fucking god people sure do like to talk shit about it when it isn't even fucking finished yet . Not to mention the extremely dumb nitpicks from buildings to Doffy's strings to "asspulls" to logic to having shorter fights ( since when is that a problem for One Piece? ) to people being extremely oblivious to One Piece being a goddamn fantasy shonen series to it not needing to explain every single damn fantasy and power aspect . Jesus Christ guys wait until the arc is over and when you have actually read the arc in one sitting with good translations , like the arc's are meant to be , then you can complain about it .
I don't know what the threads were like before, but more discussion for a weekly chapter seems to come from talking about the downsides. The first few pages are usually people being like "woo", then some come and say it wasn't great, then one thing someone says they don't like gets argued all the time. I was hoping to get a more positive discussion going with the reread thread, but at most it's people looking at it, then going to the chapter thread or elsewhere to argue about the current stuff (I'll admit that I don't go through all the threads, so maybe it isn't that bad.
I have to disagree with the last part. If we did that, then a number of threads in this forum wouldn't be going on for long periods of time, and doesn't necessarily fix everything. Also, that would mean the stuff I've put in the Bleach section would be better off until the arc ends.
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Ass pull meaning it came out of no where, but it was supposedly an established thing all along. Sorry, I didnt think that needed explanation. I enjoy it when Oda hints at something throughout the story, like CoC being hinted at since chapter one. The presence of Hasshoken, Happo navy, etc is the opposite though. Its a forced and sudden way to make the plot move forward though there was no mention of it before Dressrosa.
Im not harping on this, its only one of the examples. It became annoying because it's happened a lot this arc. Before this Oda has been great at seeding ideas throughout the story but Dressrosa has been lots of sudden new information.
The hope is that Oda does as well as he usually does and ties everything together as the story goes on. There may be events from earlier arcs that will help tie everything together too, who knows.
Also for D. Evil, u do know they receive it chapter by chapter in the original Japanese Shonen Weekly? lol
hopefully again, it does tie together well.Okay now you are really not making any sense .
Oda is not going to give hints about everyone or every fighting style or every place before you see it .
Most of fighting style , people, islands we have seen don't get mention before the arc to begin with .
You don't seem to know what a asspulll is .
It has already been established that threy are many diffrent groups , pirates , DF, fighting styles , islands already.EDIT plus we already know this arc going to tie into others since they getting rid of ADF and biggest underground boss around.
This is the strangest debate i have ever had about manga .
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Hasshoken was hinted in Dressrossa maybe for later on?
You gotta start somewhere.
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Foreshadowing doesn`t need to happen 200 chapters before in order for it to be a foreshadowing . Foreshadowing is just a hint which can be a short term or long term hint .
And we got some info during the tournament regarding the fighting style of Chinjao and his grandsons so i don`t really see how that is an asspull unless you are telling me that Oda needs to explain every single attack in pointless details .
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@DHL:
Hasshoken was hinted in Dressrossa maybe for later on?
You gotta start somewhere.
If you see the Happo Navy again sure or it could just end being like Viva, Mr 9, Paulie etc etc so many other fighting style you only see for one arc.
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More than anything these characters are in this arc to become the future allies of Strawhats . When and where is something only Oda knows .
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Hopefully next arc you find more enjoyable (that goes for the others as well). Has the logic stretched more than the amount of stretching Luffy can do?
I don't know what the threads were like before, but more discussion for a weekly chapter seems to come from talking about the downsides. The first few pages are usually people being like "woo", then some come and say it wasn't great, then one thing someone says they don't like gets argued all the time. I was hoping to get a more positive discussion going with the reread thread, but at most it's people looking at it, then going to the chapter thread or elsewhere to argue about the current stuff (I'll admit that I don't go through all the threads, so maybe it isn't that bad.
I have to disagree with the last part. If we did that, then a number of threads in this forum wouldn't be going on for long periods of time, and doesn't necessarily fix everything. Also, that would mean the stuff I've put in the Bleach section would be better off until the arc ends**.**
If you mean the discussions about buildings ( yes goddamn irrelevant building was one of the hot topic in some chapter discussions based on shitty mangapanda
s translation and all that discussion led to …. nowhere only for it to be already explained very simply in the chapter ) , Doffy
s strings , logic and physics ( yes again discussing logic and physics in a rubber pirate manga ) , fuss about and making Fujis intention really really really complicated ( when multiple have already explained it rather simply which also seems to be closer to the manga ) ....etc............ just to name some things discussed in chapter threads . And this is just touching the surface of retarded discussion in chapter threads every single week that has little to no importance in the grand scheme of things or to the One Piece in general . And i don
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Ass pull meaning it came out of no where, but it was supposedly an established thing all along. Sorry, I didnt think that needed explanation. I enjoy it when Oda hints at something throughout the story, like CoC being hinted at since chapter one. The presence of Hasshoken, Happo navy, etc is the opposite though. Its a forced and sudden way to make the plot move forward though there was no mention of it before Dressrosa.
Im not harping on this, its only one of the examples. It became annoying because it's happened a lot this arc. Before this Oda has been great at seeding ideas throughout the story but Dressrosa has been lots of sudden new information.
The hope is that Oda does as well as he usually does and ties everything together as the story goes on. There may be events from earlier arcs that will help tie everything together too, who knows.
Also for D. Evil, u do know they receive it chapter by chapter in the original Japanese Shonen Weekly? lol
hopefully again, it does tie together well.Would be kindly as to go and really understand the definition of foreshadowing before you start throwing these àsspulls`all over the place ? Thanks .
Also i am not sure why i am saying this obvious stuff but it's called an "story arc" for a reason . There is NO such thing as "chapter arc" . And so far Oda has done a damn good job at tying up shit ton of plot points and connecting it to be plot of this arc in this extremely complex arc while also providing some really damn great character moments . Which is something that actually deserves some credit .
Also people can have discussions about how some stuff in this arc was rushed but that is something that tends to happen in complex storytelling such as in this arc .
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If you see the Happo Navy again sure or it could just end being like Viva, Mr 9, Paulie etc etc so many other fighting style you only see for one arc.
Knowing the Luffy has an entire Happou Navyas his ally. We are bound to see them again.
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Lol you guys…
D. Devil, Andy there are clearly issues with the storytelling this arc. We're all just hoping Oda gets back on track and ties it together well. If you don't like hearing peoples thoughts and opinions about One Piece Dressrossa arc on a One Piece Dressrossa forum...I don't know why you are here? Feel free to come back when the arc is over? Lol
Anyway I am here because I like discussing with fans the good AND the bad.
Oda did some good things he also did some things poorly so far. We all are of the hopeful spirit that he will come through and make it great again
Relax, Cheers
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Happo Navy being an asspull is probably the funniest thing I've read today.
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@Doffy.:
More than anything these characters are in this arc to become the future allies of Strawhats . When and where is something only Oda knows .
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If you mean the discussions about buildings ( yes goddamn irrelevant building was one of the hot topic in some chapter discussions based on shitty mangapanda
s translation and all that discussion led to .... nowhere only for it to be already explained very simply in the chapter ) , Doffy
s strings , logic and physics ( yes again discussing logic and physics in a rubber pirate manga ) , fuss about and making Fujis intention really really really complicated ( when multiple have already explained it rather simply which also seems to be closer to the manga ) ....etc............ just to name some things discussed in chapter threads . And this is just touching the surface of retarded discussion in chapter threads every single week that has little to no importance in the grand scheme of things or to the One Piece in general . And i don
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Would be kindly as to go and really understand the definition of foreshadowing before you start throwing these àsspulls`all over the place ? Thanks .
Also i am not sure why i am saying this obvious stuff but it's called an "story arc" for a reason . There is NO such thing as "chapter arc" . And so far Oda has done a damn good job at tying up shit ton of plot points and connecting it to be plot of this arc in this extremely complex arc while also providing some really damn great character moments . Which is something that actually deserves some credit .
Also people can have discussions about how some stuff in this arc was rushed but that is something that tends to happen in complex storytelling such as in this arc .
The whole debris thing had my eyes rolling, which is why I made a post about my thoughts on birdcage overall. That said, most threads since I've been here seem to be quite large because of people talking about the downsides, because once the desent comes in, people start latching onto that.
I've been getting away from the chapter discussion threads more because it's become a weird thing where the chapter rarely gets discussed and devolves into something completely different, so I just read it and not join.
I do think Oda should get a little credit for juggling all these points into one arc, since it's hard to keep it all together. However, more discussion value comes from talking about the flaws and how it could improve, especially if arcs are going to have lots of stuff going on from now on.
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Lol you guys…
D. Devil, Andy there are clearly issues with the storytelling this arc. We're all just hoping Oda gets back on track and ties it together well. If you don't like hearing peoples thoughts and opinions about One Piece Dressrossa arc on a One Piece Dressrossa forum...I don't know why you are here? Feel free to come back when the arc is over? Lol
Anyway I am here because I like discussing with fans the good AND the bad.
Oda did some good things he also did some things poorly so far. We all are of the hopeful spirit that he will come through and make it great again
Relax, Cheers
RadioactiveChimpYou seem to think i angry or that i don't have problems with certain aspect of this arc which is not true .
This is a forum so you are free have your opinions and i am free to point certain things in those opinions that wrong , which is what i have been doing .For one thing your saying you like when Oda established certain aspect of the mange and Hasshoken, Happo navy are force to move the plot along .
Answer me this is it not that way for all arc ?
For eg when were CP9 , Sea Train , Rokushiki, enies lobby, Paulie etc etc established ?
The were done a short while before the arc or during it , the same for Dressrossa and the same for all other arcs if you want i can give you eg.
In fact compare to other arcs the main villain has been established for years.There is more i can write since i willing to debate my points( eg how this arc tie into the OP world more than most arc) but you don't seem willing to and i also have no problem with that.
@The:
The whole debris thing had my eyes rolling, which is why I made a post about my thoughts on birdcage overall. That said, most threads since I've been here seem to be quite large because of people talking about the downsides, because once the desent comes in, people start latching onto that.
I've been getting away from the chapter discussion threads more because it's become a weird thing where the chapter rarely gets discussed and devolves into something completely different, so I just read it and not join.
I do think Oda should get a little credit for juggling all these points into one arc, since it's hard to keep it all together. However, more discussion value comes from talking about the flaws and how it could improve, especially if arcs are going to have lots of stuff going on from now on.
There are certain aspect i think he can do better but there also other aspect that i think people going to have to learn that going stay around.
Like how most arc not going to be self contain anymore or how arcs going get full of other characters sometimes etc etc.
If you look at Dressrossa oda has introduce more than 25 plus charcaters that is 3 or 4 arcs worth of side charcters in one arc .
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I agree Franky Tank. On that note I really can't put my finger on what it is I most want to see. I just know I haven't felt as attached to the newer characters. In older arcs I loved the new characters and I felt that their stories had more depth to them. I also know that I went the first several hundred chapters without ever thinking 'this is illogical' even though its a fictional story, the story's logic made sense. That definitely changed this arc. Oda is going farther into the realm of absurd and it becomes increasingly hard to suspend disbelief.
Andy ur right I was never debating, just commenting. Im glad though, that u can appreciate that certain things are asspulls this arc. Its unfortunate but I also agree there are many strong points. Still feel free to continue talking about stuff
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You seem to think i angry or that i don't have problems with certain aspect of this arc which is not true .
This is a forum so you are free have your opinions and i am free to point certain things in those opinions that wrong , which is what i have been doing .For one thing your saying you like when Oda established certain aspect of the mange and Hasshoken, Happo navy are force to move the plot along .
Answer me this is it not that way for all arc ?
For eg when were CP9 , Sea Train , Rokushiki, enies lobby, Paulie etc etc established ?
The were done a short while before the arc or during it , the same for Dressrossa and the same for all other arcs if you want i can give you eg.
In fact compare to other arcs the main villain has been established for years.There is more i can write since i willing to debate my points( eg how this arc tie into the OP world more than most arc) but you don't seem willing to and i also have no problem with that.
There are certain aspect i think he can do better but there also other aspect that i think people going to have to learn that going stay around.
Like how most arc not going to be self contain anymore or how arcs going get full of other characters sometimes etc etc.
If you look at Dressrossa oda has introduce more than 25 plus charcaters that is 3 or 4 arcs worth of side charcters in one arc .
You can say it hurt the arc but you can also say he got luffy getting some allies right away in the NW out the way .I'm all for arcs not being self-contained. I think things will get better overall, as Oda will hopefully learn about what worked and what didn't, and improve on how to balance everything out. I think another part people might need to get used to is less focus on certain groups each chapter. The missions are going to get bigger, so I expect there to be jumping around groups in chapters in the upcoming arcs.
I agree Franky Tank. On that note I really can't put my finger on what it is I most want to see. I just know I haven't felt as attached to the newer characters. In older arcs I loved the new characters and I felt that their stories had more depth to them. I also know that I went the first several hundred chapters without ever thinking 'this is illogical' even though its a fictional story, the story's logic made sense. That definitely changed this arc. Oda is going farther into the realm of absurd and it becomes increasingly hard to suspend disbelief.
Andy ur right I was never debating, just commenting. Im glad though, that u can appreciate that certain things are asspulls this arc. Its unfortunate but I also agree there are many strong points. Still feel free to continue talking about stuff
I wonder if it's more that with the increasing number of powers, along with having been with the series long enough, you start questioning things you didn't before. With the series far from over, and concepts getting explained more and more overtime, we'll have to chalk it up to not making sense with the little information we have, as far as Devil Fruits and the various fight stuff go. I tend not to question certain things unless it gets really ridiculous from what the manga has presented before. Sanji using friction or anger to gain some fire power? Fine enough. If Sanji was able to increase his rage power and get the power of Magma? That's bad. I also tend to not usually nitpick the smaller things, and only discuss the bigger things that are problems.
Also, my notifications have been weird. Lately it's been a 50-50 chance that it comes up that someone replied to me. I didn't know andy replied to my post until I came here and just saw it.
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Lol Franky I guess ur right @___@ i wish i could +1 ur posts very helpful
in the end everyone is thinking the same thing:
VIVA LA ONE PIECE
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RadioactiveMonkey as far as abilities go we've seen way more outrageous things and some abilities are just more special than others.
First Sai. He's been training to basically "unlock" this special ability that gives him right of passage to run his country's navy. Sometimes you can teach someone how to do something until you are blue in the face and they just can't do it until they are physically and mentally ready. Sai unlocked his special ability during a time of stress and it was just brought about on it's own. Not to mention this is a comic book where ultimate attacks are always unleashed at just the right time. As far as the shock wave the fighting style creates it's all based on Chinese martial arts with explosive use of Chi. So
Sanji - we learned during his introduction to the series that he does not fear fire, as a cook he naturally gained some "immunity" lol. During the fight with Mr 2, Mr 2 spun around really fast talking about how he could light a fire or something because of the friction or spirit something. I can't look it up now but you'll see what I'm talking about. It's all played for gags but later we see Sanji spinning so much that he ignites his foot without even burning himself. Though very slight, we were given some precedence that something like Sanji utilizing heat to his advantage could very well happen. Oda says he doesn't burn himself because his passion burns hotter. Yeah it seems like a joke, but then we have his reaction to Nami getting kidnapped for marriage and his memories of the Okamas and I can see how he is so passionate about these subjects that it literally ignites his body and soul. It's still all relatively normal in silly One Piece world logic. I think so anyway.
I mean if this stuff irks you what did you think of Ms Golden Week and her color traps, Jango actually making his crew stronger through hypnosis or even crazier, Zoro and Asura?
Think about Zoro and Asura for a moment. If you weren't upset then I don't know how these latest power ups could ruffle your feathers. Even with this absolute non-magical zaniness we were given a little heads up a long time ago. As far back as Luffy's first meeting with Koby, we were told that Zoro was rumored to be an actual demon in human form. For someone who doesn't believe in any god he sure does have a lot spiritually referenced attacks and seemingly can utilize some kind of spirit form for real. There was some sort of build up and sometimes you just got to put real world logic aside lol.
Luffy relies on his fruit but it is no different than Zoro relying on his swords or Nami relying on her climate baton. Sure Gears 2, 3 and 4 give Luffy a temporary power boost but is it really so different from Zoro pumping his arms with more muscle, using Asura or gaining better swords that are stronger and more durable? We know Luffy is an amazing hand to hand fighter and not because of his fruit but because of how he grew up. His fruit powers are just as much a weapon as Zoro's words or Sanji's legs only maybe with more crazy utility.
I initially started this message at about 4pm and now it's 9:48pm. I have no idea where the thread has gone but I will post anyway. Maybe my perception of these power ups and abilities will help you (radioactive monkey) see them from a different point of view. At least I think that's what I was on about. From a cell phone, please forgive typos.
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So Smoker left Tashigi all alone to take some fodders on a ship. I don't buy it.
Smoker used the Dance Powder. Going against the rules is his thing.I'm sorry, this is gonna be a pain to give a long and detailed reply to and I respect your opinion so I'll just provide the scans and give the quickest explanations I can muster. Feel free to not change your mind.
The short and quick answers are: characterization and morality (gray area).
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[hide][/hide]At this point, Smoker was saved by Luffy. As far as I know, Smoker actually doesn't lie so to say he's tired, well, it can only mean what Hina hints later on. He's mellowed out. After all that chasing and hunting for a specific pirate, just to be saved by him. It can really wear you out when that realization hits you. But there's more to it, which I'll get to later.Chapter 179
[hide][/hide]As you can see, Smoker ventured on his OWN, he did not take his men with him and left them to Tashigi to order, per HER OWN sense of justice as Smoker clearly states (after all, what right does Smoker truly has over Tashigi telling her what to do and retreat when she has her own score to settle? Their rank? the thing he DOESN'T care about?). He also did not lie about having business as we see later on, as well as showing he's absolutely not ignorant to what's going on in the country.Chapter 212 titled "Some Justice"
[hide][/hide]Smoker asked for backup and asked help from his colleague, Hina, whose choice of words implied that the artificial rain ship was needed searching for. As you can also see in this chapter, as Smoker tries to imply, he thought of Tashigi to follow her own sense of justice but Tashigi clearly states that it wasn't that, it was the only thing she COULD do to provide support. This also served as confirmation that Smoker did acknowledge Tashigi as someone he can't just order to retreat - "Who was it that decided to come on her own to come to this sea?".Smoker also clearly states in this (and his report) that it wasn't them who saved the country and that THEIR strength, their "justice" is limited (which some people just don't seem to realize Fujitora is trying to change). Lastly, I disagree about Smoker "going against the rules", more like he follows his own sense of justice and hates orders from the top. If it wasn't that way, he wouldn't be so against teaming up with the SHs and Law in Punk Hazard - which is proper characterization, until Tashigi convinced him.
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Moving on..This is all Ki in general.
Haki, Nen. It's all similar, it's all connected, it's based off the same concept of willpower and intention.
@C.A.:
Ha: The word 'ha' means domination. To have the ambition to rule supreme over others, to be better than others and rule over them.
Ki: The word 'ki' is the spirit, the lifeforce, or just the force that's found in everything in the universe. It is also the person's well being, his mood, emotions, everything that's part of his spirit. It is also the presence, the atmosphere of something or someone that is emitted or in the air. Or you can call it the 'aura' of things.
To make it a bit simpler, think of it this way: everything that is Haki is a form of Ki, but everything that is Ki is not Haki.
I'll quote lines about Nen in Aikido and make it easier to understand in a One Piece setting.
@Kisshomaru:
"The Spirit of Aikido. The essence of aikido, the unity of ki-mind-body, (Zoro-Sanji-Luffy) is to be realized by the whole person. If we grasp it merely as a spiritual reality, we may become doctrinaire and fall into abstraction. If we see it only as a matter of technique and physical prowess, then we become satisfied with a simplistic explanation of motor movements. (Zoro and what Mihawk said during first meeting; also as much training he does, he comments on "being able to get stronger" when he finally achieved to be one with Ki/Breath) The essence encompasses both the spiritual and physical, and ultimately we must realize it as the budö unifying ki-mind-body from a philosophical and religious point of view. (Zoro)
The best way to properly master this essence is to carefully consider the words of the Founder. His sayings may be somewhat difficult at first reading, but repeated reading and reflection will help to reveal the various levels of meaning contained within them. The frequent reference to the Japanese word nen may be bothersome, but we will retain the original term because of the lack of an exact English equivalent. Nen connotes concentration, one-pointedness, thought*moment. The realization of nen is the key to opening the essence of aikido; in fact, it constitutes the very heart of aikidö.
The following statement by Master Ueshiba clarifies what is meant by this:
This body is the concrete unification of the physical and spiritual created by the universe. It breathes the subtle essence of the universe and becomes one body with it, so training is training in the path of human life. In training the first task is to continually discipline the spirit, sharpen the power of nen, and unify body and mind. This is the foundation for the development of waza, which in turn unfolds endlessly through nen.(Zoro in Alabasta)
It is essential that waza always be in accord with the truth of the universe. For that to take place proper nen is necessary. If one's nen is connected to the desires of the small self, it is erroneous. Since training based upon erroneous ideas goes against the truth of the universe, it invites its own tragic consequences and eventual destruction. (Hyouzou in Fishman Island)
Nen is never concerned with winning or losing, and it grows by becoming properly connected to the ki of the universe. When that happens, nen becomes a supernatural power that sees clearly all things in the world, even the smallest movement of hand or foot. One becomes like the clear mirror reflecting all things, and since one stands in the center of the universe, one can see with clarity that which is off-center. (Breath; Observation Haki) This is the truth of winning without fighting. (Haoushoku Haki)
To develop the subtle movements of ki based on nen, you must understand that the left side of the body is the basis of martial art (Sanji; explanation on the next line) and the right side is where the ki of the universe appears. (Zoro; explanation on the next line)
When one reaches the realm of absolute freedom, the body becomes light and manifests divine transformations. (Luffy) The right side brings forth power through the left. The left becomes a shield (Sanji) and the right the foundation of technique. (Zoro) This natural, spontaneous law of nature must be based in the centrum, and one must manifest the self freely as dynamic, spherical rotation.
Master Ueshiba taught that the cultivation of nen was the one-pointed concentration of the spirit as it seeks union with the universal reality that brought us into this life on earth. When the mind-body unified by nen harmonizes with the principle of an ordered universe, a person becomes free of self-centeredness and self-consciousness, giving birth to a supernatural all-seeing power. (Usopp sniping Sugar; Priests of Skypeia's "disrupted" mantra) The person in accord with the principle of universal change moves deftly with lightness and agility, able to freely manifest himself in spherical movements.
Nen, the single*hearted concentration seeking the unity of the order in the universe and the principle of change, becomes the wellspring of the subtle working of ki. When this subtle working, rooted in nen, is manifested in the heart and mind of a practitioner, he becomes free and open, and his insight becomes penetrating. When it works through the body, the result is spirited, dynamic movement in circular and spherical rotation. In short, nen is the line that connects ki-mind-body and the universal ki.
Aikido (martial art) is not what's important as the essence and spirit of what you should try to realize and grasp. There's many forms of martial arts (and in One Piece), but Rebecca is the only person who sorta uses Aikido. In fact, her character progression and fighting seems to revolve in the teachings. Though anyone who has a problem with how her character went (I did for a few days), I suggest reading this. Best post I seen about Rebecca anyways, that I can (mostly) agree with.
The "power system" in One Piece is really quite simple and by no means that special or showy (which I suspect is also as to not overshadow Devil Fruits). The fact that Haki is a concept taken from the real world as well as the setting of One Piece, what Oda does is try and SHOW you, tries to make you FEEL that these fights are directly linked, not only to their character and story progression, but their will, their emotions, their spirit, motivations and their dreams. Feel free to think I'm full of sh-t though, that is your right.
Adding to what I'm saying, and to make it a bit clearer in One Piece standards, every user who was born with Observation/Mantra are self-aware and empathetic individuals, and those who have unlocked them are free of self-centeredness and self-consciousness (the priests of Skypeia commenting to have their ability disrupted but they do have family or pets they care about and although "twisted", they do care for others; Enel on the other hand….. though in my defense, we don't know his past).
Similarly to that, those who have have unlocked and have stronger Armament are those with goals to which they are willing to fight for, individuals with strong motivation and willpower. Lastly, those who have unlocked and been born with Conqueror are those who have experienced both and to control it, must achieve a "form/state of aggression". They are those who have the disposition/quality of a King - the charismatic, the confident, the dominant, individuals with strong spirit to rule over people's hearts, make their enemies fear them and reassures their allies.
If you wanna learn more about Ki, this might help [. I suggest "principle of the mind", which is 1 and mostly 4, since that's mostly what's shown in One Piece.
I also find that old saying interesting under 'Willpower', it goes: "When our Willpower is concentrated upon a stone, it can pass through it. When our Willpower is focused and in harmony with the universe it can command the wind rain and thunder."
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Since that seems like that belongs in the Haki thread, I'll try and reply relating to Dressrosa.It looks like there are random over powered moves coming literally out of nowhere. DD Awakening is like, ok I get it you have a major haxx ability that now has unlimited haxx potential. Also though, Lao G's power move?
Lao G makes use of Qi Gong - a practice of Qi/Ki, a form/system of exercise and to regulate health. In fact, a lot of elderly does it and a lot of shonen makes use of the trope, like Master Roshi.
And now Sai? What the heck is that? If its NOT a Devil Fruit and its NOT Haki then its just a made up power now?
I don't believe Hasshoken is technically Haki (you can use it with or without Armament) as it is Ki/Chi, it makes use of the trope "shatterpoint tap" (and "glass-shattering sound"), similarly to "Bakusai Tenketsu" as the attack/shockwave itself does not hurt the skin.
And Manshelly's DF has no consistency.
I don't believe her power has been explained.
It looks like devil fruit powers get more ridiculous and random.
Ridiculous, maybe. Random, it is not.
I dont mean to just vomit all of my discontent but this arc feels like a fanfiction joke right now. I just can't be ok with all of the 'coincidences' that end up helping the Straw Hats achieve everything they want to achieve. A big example of this is when Robin just happens to call about having the key to Law's handcuffs when Law mentions that he still needs them removed.
Life is full of them. I agree that this arc is hectic though.
It seems as if there are just too many new elements that Oda doesnt have time to explain because he threw in way too many new charachters and ideas at once.
I disagree, af far as Devil Fruits go being excused because it hasn't been explained and I think Oda admitted that is a good excuse to have. Anything that relates to Ki, the spirit of the manga has not changed and is well done, although ambiguous. Though I can only imagine how it is for action fanatics. I mentioned before that I do agree it is hectic but I also mentioned in a previous post that this is like an omnibus of previous arcs' elements and themes (appropriately for the last original Shichibukai), but it also hints NEW and upcoming ones to come. I think what most people don't realize is the title 'One Piece' work in many different ways and in this case it should be read as such, literally as one piece.
Finally I am a bit unsatisfied with Gear 4th. Im not unsatisfied becuse it's lame. It's not that. Gear 4th is a very cool power but now Luffy has become a character that is nothing without his devil fruit. In this respect I now see Zoro as the true strongest member of the crew. Luffy even mentions that he NEEDED to use Gear 4th to defeat monsters on Amazon Lily those two years. Like, I get it, you have a very interesting power, but how does it make you an different than Hody Jones who uses drugs and steroids to power up. And make no mistake eating a devil fruit or a smile is consuming a drug.
Zoro fights purely on his own physical and mental ability. He is truly strong. How would Luffy compare without his devil fruit?
Luffy is the Captain, Luffy is the "body" to Sanji's "mind" and Zoro's "Ki". His Gear Second is a doping method to reach his PHYSICAL FULL POTENTIAL. As the quotes above and Zoro (as well many other series already implied), the physical prowess, the muscles, those are just one side of a coin (even a side-effect in case of Kenshiro) to attaining and mastering Ki. His Gears does not reflect his spirit (to achieve his dream), nor willpower (to overcome), his emotions (to protect) - it just helps him match them. Oh I forgot you compared Luffy to Hody.. yeah well that should've answered your question anyways right? I mean from their first encounter, Luffy stated himself "You can be the king of whatever you want in any country, but there can only be one king of pirates!"
The other member of the monster trio, Sanji, is just an absurd character at this point. He didn't eat a fire devil fruit but he has fire powers? As far as we know its no haki move or anything and this fire even burns underwater? Where is this random fire ability coming from? I just feel cheated by the author because I love this storyline so much. And I am not against absurd and funny elements in story telling. I love humor here and there, but One Piece is slipping into becoming a joke of a story rather than a solid story that tells jokes.](. I suggest ) []([url][link] Sanji is the )[Sanji is the "mind", the Knight, the Shield. It's one thing to say he can't defeat others or he's being used to hype other characters, but it's another to say he's a sh-t character, as far as I can tell, he always succeeds what his character needs to do.
I hope I dont get hated or banned for this. I would really like other fans opinions because I hope I am wrong. I hope that Oda is still a great story teller and there are no plot holes. I hope that this story is as great or greater now as compared to when it first began but I am slowly getting disillusioned by some of the absurd new elements.
Don't worry man. It'd be absurd if you get banned for that.
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Though since I have a chance to go about Dressrosa problems people have, I'll take my chance to address the "OHKO's". That has a really simple explanation: swords.
Imagine this. To make this possible, imagine there are no laws. Go outside, find someone to fight that is relatively the same strength and give them a sword, while you ONLY use your fist. See how many punches you throw for your opponent to go down, and compare to the amount of slashes needed to bring you down (or kill you..)
As far as I remember only Sai defeated someone with a blunt attack and that was justifiable due to the fissure.](Sanji is the )
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Well, taking some fodders on a ship doesn't count as "urgent business" IMO.
However I must say I appreciate your argument.
I guess there is also the possibility that Oda wanted to make this scene debatable.
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So are we all under the assumption that Violet will be shedding light on Sanji and the Sunny crew when Luffy wonders how the rest holding up?
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So are we all under the assumption that Violet will be shedding light on Sanji and the Sunny crew when Luffy wonders how the rest holding up?
I don't think her powers can reach that far.
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Viola just needs a little awakening
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I don't think her powers can reach that far.
Her powers have a range of 4000km.
It's an outrageous distance… but that's what Oda wrote when she was describing her ability to Sanji.