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    Chapter 716: "Don Chinjao"

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      akakami @Devil G.
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      @Devil:

      There was no need to in my case, I just read it unintentionally because I'm an idiot and I opened the spoiler before even reading the complete post ( a bad habit of mine, yeah ). I appreciate it anyways 😛

      that relieves me; my mistake was that i didn't select the text, but just pressed the Spoiler button before and after the text, so that nothing happened, then immediately i was shocked that the text was not under "Spoiler" so i took a few seconds to understand and correct the problem.

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        Well, to show more people, I decided to post this coloring of the double page here!

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        Larger version here

        It was such a cool page that I had to color it!

        Check out my art here… maybe...?

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          ^ Cool loved it. you post that at DA? I swear there was one that looks exactly like this and I had to fav it immediately … I just suck at remembering names ..esp when many here have different names at DA

          ... though since its so big you may want to [hide] it

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            Oh, sorry, I'll put it in spoiler tags! And yes, I did post in on DA earlier. My DA name is the same as my AP forums name.

            Check out my art here… maybe...?

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              @Hitotsumami:

              Well, to show more people, I decided to post this coloring of the double page here!

              ! http://i.imgur.com/WS2gxp1.jpg

              i absolutely love it!! Great Job. The coloring kind of increases the intensity of that page.

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                @Hitotsumami:

                Well, to show more people, I decided to post this coloring of the double page here!

                ! [qimg]http://i.imgur.com/WS2gxp1.jpg[/qimg] Larger version here It was such a cool page that I had to color it!

                Epic 🙂 This picture is now my desktop wallpaper.

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                  @Hitotsumami:

                  Oh, sorry, I'll put it in spoiler tags! And yes, I did post in on DA earlier. My DA name is the same as my AP forums name.

                  Thanks, if you color more OP like this I may have to add you on watch!😉

                  No sorry needed. I suspected you may not know that some members have said that the big pictures sometimes makes downloading time slow, and that putting it in tags helps that out. ..least that's what I've heard and most threads I've been on have had people and mods ask us to put the big images in tags.

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                    Don Chinjao and Garp are brothers. One went navy, the other pirate. Garp made the family ostracize his bro and they fought and Garp won. Luffy finds out they're related and still decides to kick his ass.

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                      Don Chinjao and Garp are brothers. One went navy, the other pirate. Garp made the family ostracize his bro and they fought and Garp won. Luffy finds out they're related and still decides to kick his ass.

                      you missed the Monkey, and the D. parts

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                        Luffy will destroy the Mera Mera Fruit….........end of

                        SAILING AGAIN FOR THE NEW WORLD

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                          Luffy will destroy the Mera Mera Fruit….........end of

                          Indeed, this is an interesting point of view. I keep on wondering if there are any repercusions whatsoever for destroying a fruit. The idea of a Devil that lives within a fruit and who can be set free might be Reading a bit too much between the lines, but at the same time, we haven´t seen the first DF eradication. I really like Kanji`s idea due to the uncertainty factor there is in destroying a DF, it feels Somewhat like a pandora box. On the other hand, maybe nothing will happen and the fruit would just seize to exist (Kind of a lame and boring outcome but within the realm of possibilities I guess)


                          Would you like a Blast?

                          100000000000000 Berries please.

                          Blasting Destinations: Gotham city, Jaya, central perk, E. R.

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                            Luffy will destroy the Mera Mera Fruit….........end of

                            how is that even possible?

                            Time will remember us.

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                              how is that even possible?

                              You could always toss it into the ocean and be rid of it

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                                the question is, if a fruit is destroyed, will the power jump to another fruit, just like when a user dies?

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                                  You could always toss it into the ocean and be rid of it

                                  Ironically, in the sea is the one place where only the people who could eat the fruit are likely to find it.

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                                    @Hitotsumami:

                                    Well, to show more people, I decided to post this coloring of the double page here!

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                                    Larger version here

                                    It was such a cool page that I had to color it!

                                    My Gatz you made my week!
                                    i will wait for the Anime episode of this exact moment and compare to this single picture. and i have a feeling Toei will have a hard time matching this 😄

                                    @Jawad5:

                                    you missed the Monkey, and the D. parts

                                    Luffy and Ace are brothers and they aren't blood related so same can happen here…
                                    And if you go by this logic then there could be plenty of reasons for Chinjao to be pissed at Garp judging by the reasons Ace was pissed at luffy for in their childhood with Sabo. Who knows what happened between Garp and Aniki Chinjao. (i bet it is somewhere between as silly as Huge food theft or something around there, to as huge as dream clashing or opposite visions or something like the treasure in the Ace, Sabo, Luffy story)

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                                      @Jawad5:

                                      you missed the Monkey, and the D. parts

                                      We still don't know his full name, Don is just a term of respect given to ones elders. Also, since when does everyone in a family have to be a D?

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                                        @Jawad5:

                                        the question is, if a fruit is destroyed, will the power jump to another fruit, just like when a user dies?

                                        An even better question is if you threw it in a lake would it become a lake of fire

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                                          http://s21.postimg.org/hhof0z9dv/Gatz1.jpg

                                          My Gatz you made my week!
                                          i will wait for the Anime episode of this exact moment and compare to this single picture. and i have a feeling Toei will have a hard time matching this 😄

                                          Thanks so much! As I've said before, if you guys find other cool scenes in the newer One Piece chapters, let me know and I might color them too. Also, I too can't wait to see this animated! It should be a really cool moment.

                                          Check out my art here… maybe...?

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                                            Question is, since water neutralizes the DF, will the power be able to jump to another fruit …or will it mean the fruit tossed into the sea can't rot (since the power can't transfer to a nearby fruit) so there for there is this Devil Fruit floating the depths of the sea. Just waitning for someone (mermaid/fishman) or something (fish) to eat it ... who then become weak in the water.

                                            They will still be able to 'breathe' since they are water creatures that are naturally able to breathe underwater...butt hey won't be able to use the df powers move around due to the weakness of being in water.

                                            Maybe this is how Dekken got his fruit! XD

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                                              Did I seriously read comments in the previous pages hating on Ennis Lobby Arc. That disappoints me. Oh well, don't know if the theory has been said yet but Don could be Luffy's Grandpa.

                                              What? A bunch of people don't read the epic that is One Piece simply because they "don't like the art"

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                                                Oh dear.. So even after him stating he won't eat it you believe he will? And Red Hawk is his Ace-memento move, plus the only person EVER to be able to take a second DF is BB, because of his "strange body", and Sanji has been using fire moves before Luffy, so all your arguments are plainly baseless.

                                                So let me get this straight. You are implying that Blackbeard is able to eat a second devil fruit but Luffy isn't. Tell me then why has Oda spent ink showing just how similar Luffy and Blacky are? I don't know about you guys but Luffy's body is anything but normal… sure some of his bodies special abilities are thanks to his devil fruit but some of its features are pretty impressive and cant absolutely be explained by his rubber abilities. What better place is there for the fire fruit to go? My money is on Luffy obtaining it and either saying f it i'm eating it or giving it to Rebecca so she can be a better Queen/protecter of her home country. If you dissagree thats great but to say that there is no factual clues pointing to another persons opinions just because you choose to ignore them is silly.

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                                                  An even better question is if you threw it in a lake would it become a lake of fire

                                                  Franky should should just use it to install central heating in to the Sunny.

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                                                    Question is, since water neutralizes the DF, will the power be able to jump to another fruit …or will it mean the fruit tossed into the sea can't rot (since the power can't transfer to a nearby fruit) so there for there is this Devil Fruit floating the depths of the sea. Just waitning for someone (mermaid/fishman) or something (fish) to eat it ... who then become weak in the water.

                                                    They will still be able to 'breathe' since they are water creatures that are naturally able to breathe underwater...butt hey won't be able to use the df powers move around due to the weakness of being in water.

                                                    Maybe this is how Dekken got his fruit! XD

                                                    Dekken still drowns in water. Don't forget that a Devil user looses is powers and becomes unconscious in water. An unconscious person can't breath so he drowns, even fishmen!

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                                                      Dekken still drowns in water. Don't forget that a Devil user looses is powers and becomes unconscious in water. An unconscious person can't breath so he drowns, even fishmen!

                                                      … that makes no sense what so ever. I am hoping you are being sarcastic (if so please use comic sans or the ninja to let others know)

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                                                        Franky should should just use it to install central heating in to the Sunny.

                                                        Also good for BBQ

                                                        I think this is how Ace would've wanted to be remembered. As a kitchen aid

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                                                          Luffy will destroy the Mera Mera Fruit….........end of

                                                          I too thought about this when I thought that Luffy wouldn't care about the fruit in the first place but Oda knows his audience is attached to the fruit so it will go to someone, who to is one of the questions of this arc or saga.

                                                          HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?

                                                          ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.

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                                                            Franky should should just use it to install central heating in to the Sunny.

                                                            And people said my Sunny Mera Mera fruit predictions is stupid. it makes total sense: central Heating, easy cooking for sanji-san, hot water all the time for Robin's showers (which should be public sooner or later :wub: why the hell only mono and chopper enjoys the fruits of heated water and evolutionary advance in beauty of Robin), Expanding Ussop's arsenal with quick making of ammo, and even weapons o sunny but who cares about that. (read with a grain of sarcasm)

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                                                              So let me get this straight. You are implying that Blackbeard is able to eat a second devil fruit but Luffy isn't. Tell me then why has Oda spent ink showing just how similar Luffy and Blacky are? I don't know about you guys but Luffy's body is anything but normal… sure some of his bodies special abilities are thanks to his devil fruit but some of its features are pretty impressive and cant absolutely be explained by his rubber abilities. What better place is there for the fire fruit to go? My money is on Luffy obtaining it and either saying f it i'm eating it or giving it to Rebecca so she can be a better Queen/protecter of her home country. If you dissagree thats great but to say that there is no factual clues pointing to another persons opinions just because you choose to ignore them is silly.

                                                              Luffy's body is only abnormal because he grew up in really harsh conditions. Like his grand father before him he was roughing up tigers in the woods before he hit puberty. We have been given very clear indication that Teach is extremely unique in his physical makeup. Those type of hints have not been directed towards Luffy at all, not in that sense.

                                                              Besides Luffy saying he won't eat the fruit and the rules of the story indicating that he wont, Oda loves his silly fighting styles. Basically the Flame Flame fruit is too cool for Luffy.

                                                              Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯

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                                                                Luffy has haki(and he trained to master it,not quite there yet but it will come) so he doesn't need a second fruit.

                                                                I want to believe too big guy3ds code friend:0404-6254-1866

                                                                new "new"3ds code friend:0791-4253-7110 (monster hunter)

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                                                                  no real info here,apart from the part regarding why chinjo hate garp.Also,is only logic that he only talked about shiliew..it's the only one who took part in the jailbreak "team" toghether with luffy and his party and teach's crew

                                                                  No real information or not the type of info you were expecting, i'm okey with this chapter because even though we knew some of this info but like this, we knew Jeango knew about the level 6 prisoners but we didn't know that he had captured some of them and knows the whereabouts of the others and it also says a lot because we might get introduced to a bounty hunter group later on due to his sources of information and not is not Logical for him only to talk about Shiryu because the other three guys were also in the jailbreak team alongside him and blackbeard, so is more logical for him to mention Sanjua Wolf, Vasco shot, Catarina Devon and Avalo Pizarro because they were also involved in it and were level 6 prisoner to begging with

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                                                                  And why does every closed eye have to become a sharingan? It's a fucking plague.

                                                                  that's so cliche, every character with a missing eye or an eye patch has a power up that has been saving it for the right time is like a give away but I hope Zoro doesn't have such thing but is more a slash Mihawk gave him while training

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                                                                  If Luffy ate the fruit there would be no point in him developing moves like Red Hawk. I think Dressrosa arc might be one of the better arcs like Enies and Water 7. I feel there's going to be a lot of emotional jumbo and revealed secrets around Doflamingo as if it wasn't obvious. I liked the interaction between Chinjao and Luffy in this chapter, reminded me of Luffy and Zoro during Alabasta when Mr. 5 and goldenweek were in the way.

                                                                  how is that obvious, you do realize that If Oda decides to tell us the whole DD story it will involve the WG and the tenryoubitos as a whole, it will be like a giant package of information that I don't think we should or he will give everything at once

                                                                  I hope we get to see more from the strawhats besides how crazy they are, want to see them make better use of their abilities and enhanced knowledge of their ship roles. If the SH's are fighting the marines, instead of Luffy Gear Thirding the warship all the time, Franky could say where the weakpoint is and try to get someone to hit there like Jimbei(under the hull).

                                                                  the only ones that can use the ship potential are Franky and Usopp also when have Luffy tanked a warship by himself or a warship for that matter?

                                                                  Also, Zoro's fighting style got more boring over time. Asura mode or whatever demon eye he has hidden under that scar look like they could be interesting, but I'd like to see more swordless style or something.

                                                                  how did his fighting style got more boring, when he hasn't even fight and there's not SHARINGAN or suppressing an Aura in that eye slash

                                                                  Sanji's good how he is always something interesting, fighting with his legs only was interesting enough.

                                                                  I have no idea what you meant by that

                                                                  It'd be nice to see Luffy fight a moderately strong swordsman for once instead of Zoro taking all the fights to get stronger. I'd like to see how Luffy would fair against one, maybe Wano has that in store for us.

                                                                  when have Zoro taken all the fighters to get stronger, If the guy is swordsman don't expect Luffy to fight him because it won't happen as long as Zoro is around

                                                                  Chopper's been particularly disappointing recently. Already immobilized by his own power twice since FI and he went Monster Point just to K.O his first opponent. I'm not sure if Oda was just trying to show off his control over it, but that could've waited. Heavy Point was nice enough already. Might as well see more of his doctoring skills. If he's such a great doctor, he should know the weakpoints of the human body and have a good understanding of the anatomy of various creatures. Something he showed fighting Luffy's zombie in Thriller Bark.

                                                                  Oda was trying to show us that Chopper has control over his monster point now and hasn't he showed us enough of his doctoring skills and how the hell is he disappointing

                                                                  Still waiting for Franky to combine with the Sunny, Oda. Make it happen.

                                                                  Power RANGERS Aha

                                                                  Usopp's best fight in my opinion was against Luffy. Really showed his resilience and ambition, we need another like that. Maybe when he finds out what he and his 8,000 dwarf followers will be fighting for he'll get more serious and show off his sniper skills. I'm not liking the pop greens too much, doesn't fit his sharpshooting theme. The trampolia yes because it can give way to other strategies, but some of them are just fodder clearers.

                                                                  how is pop green not fitting for Usopp? he has shown great strategist based on his seeds

                                                                  @akakami:

                                                                  ! Jiraiya's and Neji's will (Will of the Fire) living on in Naruto's heart in Naruto, and Kaito living on as a girl in HunterXHunter.

                                                                  Not use Naruto or other manga for that matter when you're trying make your opinion be heard

                                                                  @IlanZ:

                                                                  Oh dear.. So even after him stating he won't eat it you believe he will? And Red Hawk is his Ace-memento move, plus the only person EVER to be able to take a second DF is BB, because of his "strange body", and Sanji has been using fire moves before Luffy, so all your arguments are plainly baseless.

                                                                  I agree with you but you cannot talk about strange body and Marco's comment when those guys doesn't even know Luffy and does Luffy's body seems normal to you and what does strange body even means

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                                                                  So let me get this straight. You are implying that Blackbeard is able to eat a second devil fruit but Luffy isn't. Tell me then why has Oda spent ink showing just how similar Luffy and Blacky are? I don't know about you guys but Luffy's body is anything but normal… sure some of his bodies special abilities are thanks to his devil fruit but some of its features are pretty impressive and cant absolutely be explained by his rubber abilities. What better place is there for the fire fruit to go? My money is on Luffy obtaining it and either saying f it i'm eating it or giving it to Rebecca so she can be a better Queen/protecter of her home country. If you dissagree thats great but to say that there is no factual clues pointing to another persons opinions just because you choose to ignore them is silly.

                                                                  I'n not against Luffy eating the devil fruit but Fire and Rubber doesn't really mix that well at all, having a rubber body and putting a clad of fire can be pretty dangerous unless his fire body nullifies his rubber body when the Mera 2x is activated

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                                                                  Franky should should just use it to install central heating in to the Sunny.

                                                                  a better coup de burst with infinite power that can take you to….

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                                                                    So, do we get the chapter early because the break after?

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                                                                      The problem is toei makes the anime worse , remember the old anime episodes, they were better than the manga itsself…

                                                                      Same goes for every cartoon nowadays 90s babies got the best tv anime producers of all time...

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                                                                        The problem is toei makes the anime worse , remember the old anime episodes, they were better than the manga itsself…

                                                                        Same goes for every cartoon nowadays 90s babies got the best tv anime producers of all time...

                                                                        Meanwhile in the anime! "Master! candy! candy master! Master! candy! candy master!" ~15 minutes later~ "candy! candy master!" Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
                                                                        but my favorite by far this season is the 7 minutes Deadly Gas spreading on the deserted ice land scape.

                                                                        yes the old episods were very very good, always keeping me on the edge of my seat to know what might happen (just check Sanji's entrance attacking vergo in the anime now and compare! let's of fun!)

                                                                        Sorry for offtopic.

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                                                                          Did I seriously read comments in the previous pages hating on Ennis Lobby Arc. That disappoints me. Oh well, don't know if the theory has been said yet but Don could be Luffy's Grandpa.

                                                                          Enies Lobby is a tedious arc. This is not a rare opinion.

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                                                                          remember the old anime episodes, they were better than the manga itsself…

                                                                          This was never true. Or are you one of those people who thinks "Sound and color = betterer"

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                                                                            Tedious? I suppose but by no means do I think it's a "bad" arc. Lots of people complain about One Piece in it's entirety being tedious but nah. An arc I think people underrate is the Sabaody Archipelago arc.

                                                                            What? A bunch of people don't read the epic that is One Piece simply because they "don't like the art"

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                                                                              Tedious? I suppose but by no means do I think it's a "bad" arc. Lots of people complain about One Piece in it's entirety being tedious but nah. An arc I think people underrate is the Sabaody Archipelago arc.

                                                                              Who, why, and how?

                                                                              That arc was nonstop fun condensed in 2 volumes. If anything, it is among the best in the whole series.

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                                                                                We still don't know his full name, Don is just a term of respect given to ones elders. Also, since when does everyone in a family have to be a D?

                                                                                Since Jaguar D. Saul explicitly said everyone in his family had that middle initial. Also, since every offspring of a D. has had D. in their name.

                                                                                "Leave it… to luck!"

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                                                                                  Who, why, and how?

                                                                                  That arc was nonstop fun condensed in 2 volumes. If anything, it is among the best in the whole series.

                                                                                  Yes that's what I was implying. I said people underrate it, not overrate. It was great stuff

                                                                                  What? A bunch of people don't read the epic that is One Piece simply because they "don't like the art"

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                                                                                    Tedious? I suppose but by no means do I think it's a "bad" arc. Lots of people complain about One Piece in it's entirety being tedious but nah. An arc I think people underrate is the Sabaody Archipelago arc.

                                                                                    People underrate Saobody? Really? I've never ever seen anyone do anything but like it.

                                                                                    Enies Lobby is among the weakest arcs in the series imo.

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                                                                                      Tedious? I suppose but by no means do I think it's a "bad" arc. Lots of people complain about One Piece in it's entirety being tedious but nah. An arc I think people underrate is the Sabaody Archipelago arc.

                                                                                      Water 7 is great. Robin's flashback is great. Enies Lobby is awful. On the whole it comes out okay, but Enies Lobby is bad, its just multiple volumes of non-stop fighting (nearly 6 months when it was coming out weekly) with powerups from nowhere that lacks in intensity, drama, or an interesting main villain.

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                                                                                        People underrate Saobody? Really? I've never ever seen anyone do anything but like it.

                                                                                        Enies Lobby is among the weakest arcs in the series imo.

                                                                                        I'm curious why you think Enies Lobby was weak.

                                                                                        Water 7/Enies Lobby and the whole CP9 arc ushered in a whole slew of new concepts, from the 6 styles to Luffy's first use of Gears, to all the fights with CP9 in general.

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                                                                                          Water 7 is great. Robin's flashback is great. Enies Lobby is awful. On the whole it comes out okay, but Enies Lobby is bad, its just multiple volumes of non-stop fighting (nearly 6 months when it was coming out weekly) with powerups from nowhere that lacks in intensity, drama, or an interesting main villain.

                                                                                          I get what people are saying from a pure story telling standpoint and it may indeed have been hard to read through 6 months of non stop action (I was lucky enough to go straight through it) but it delivered interesting fights and fighting styles, especially from people I don't normally get to see in action. The villain was ok, as interesting a main villain of an arc that we saw up to that point, Crocodile aside, but the World Government as the real enemy here was handled well. Also power ups are a shonen staple. Frankly I think this arc raised One Piece to a new level just like Alabasta did. I will say that the post Ennis Lobby arc I loved, volume 45 is still my favorite

                                                                                          What? A bunch of people don't read the epic that is One Piece simply because they "don't like the art"

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                                                                                            I get what people are saying from a pure story telling standpoint and it may indeed have been hard to read through 6 months of non stop action (I was lucky enough to go straight through it) but it delivered interesting fights and fighting styles, especially from people I don't normally get to see in action. The villain was ok, as interesting a main villain of an arc that we saw up to that point, Crocodile aside, but the World Government as the real enemy here was handled well. Also power ups are a shonen staple. Frankly I think this arc raised One Piece to a new level just like Alabasta did. I will say that the post Ennis Lobby arc I loved, volume 45 is still my favorite

                                                                                            Obviously, you forgot about Wapol.

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                                                                                              That is pretty well what I summarised: the epicness and the conclusion, unless there's backstory. Okay, fine, we get some interesting nods towards those characters' abilities, maybe some flavour about the world and the last two years and stuff, but we're getting some of that NOW as well. Maybe the suspense panning out over so many weeks makes you feel like what flavour we get here (like the designs you don't care about, like CoC clashing … ) not feel like it's worth it to you. But read the whole arc in one go, and these will just be a handful of chapters in between those bits you're anticipating the most.

                                                                                              And, I'm sure even if you find most of the tournament not to your taste, there are going to be parts (like maybe Luffy vs Chinjao ... ? Maybe anything actually properly involving Burgess?) which you actually DO want to see. And however dull you may be finding the new characters and the blocks playing out, I'm pretty sure that if most of the tournament was basically skipped and we just got the climactic moments, it would feel pretty hollow and half-baked.

                                                                                              Not to mention that the blocks we've been shown have both shown us somethign worth seeing. Bellamy-Luffy interaction? Showcasing Bartolomeo? Introducing Ricky/Kyros? The clash of Conqueror Haki? On the other hand, A block was literally just Burgess vs fodder and it got skipped.

                                                                                              Maybe you'd suggest that in C block, it should have just been kept to Chinjao. But, at the very least, this chapter we've just had clearly served to, hmm, hype that fight? Or maybe I should say hype Chinjao?

                                                                                              I'm rambling, but basically, as I see it, this tournament is pretty crucial to this arc, not just because it's Doflamingo's trap and Luffy's in it and maybe it'll get interrupted and go crazy, but also because it's setting things up, showing us things and introducing people ready for the rest of the arc. And some of these thigns it would just be ridiculous to pull out of nowhere.

                                                                                              Yes of course there will plot elements relevant in the tournament, I doubt people see it otherwise. My problem wasn't at tournaments in general, I grew loving the Dragon Ball series.. and if you like that series, it's a little difficult to not be a fan of tournaments. My issue as I said before is in execution and how Oda created the tournament. In football (soccer) terms, the best example would of a goalkeeper being caught in no man's land, not right in front of the striker to not give him time or not all the way in the back in case he chips it. So if you can understand my terrible analogy, this is how I feel Oda has handled it. I would have much preferred if he wanted us to care about the characters excluding Rebecca, Chinjao, Barto & Cavendish, that he handled the situation better. He could have given them more screen time to explore the characters, which would have meant tournaments would have been longer. Another option, they could have gotten a brief intro and then out the way they go. Another option which could have worked with what he did, is have them the way he has but also include one of the 8 stories for about 4-6 pages each chapter. If the arc is going to take a while, switch between two storylines so something is always happening. Obviously, I'm in the minority here.

                                                                                              Part of my initial worry was based on guesses. If we are to see these types of fights for example which I'm not exactly jumping with joy over, and the Law vs Doflamingo vs Fujitora fight along with potential future fights of winners A, B, C, D vs DD crew all get interrupted, that for me is a massive disappointment. Regardless, I am interested to see how it unfolds.

                                                                                              And to answer your question, yes I am definitely excited to see Luffy vs Chinjao. I'd imagine like most this is where Luffy's identity will be revealed.

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                                                                                                I'm curious why you think Enies Lobby was weak.

                                                                                                Water 7/Enies Lobby and the whole CP9 arc ushered in a whole slew of new concepts, from the 6 styles to Luffy's first use of Gears, to all the fights with CP9 in general.

                                                                                                You answered your own question by citing literally nothing but combat crap lol.

                                                                                                And do please strictly seperate Water7 from Enies Lobby because W7 was super good from start to finish.

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                                                                                                I get what people are saying from a pure story telling standpoint and it may indeed have been hard to read through 6 months of non stop action (I was lucky enough to go straight through it) but it delivered interesting fights and fighting styles,

                                                                                                See? Here again, the pros you bring up are nothing but combat. At what point does it being a story, even though an action story, lose such importance that "but it had cool fighting styles" is a defense against it being bland?

                                                                                                The villain was ok, as interesting a main villain of an arc that we saw up to that point,

                                                                                                What the hell??
                                                                                                Are you seriously saying Lucci was the most interesting enemy aside from Crocodile as of then??
                                                                                                That's insane talk lol.
                                                                                                He doesn't measure a bean against almost everyone who came before him. Excepting maybe Wapol.
                                                                                                Even Krieg and Kuro were more interesting.
                                                                                                Lucci's biggest problem was he had like zero motive at all, he wanted to kill people legally and seemed like a fight junkie.
                                                                                                Kuro had a big crazy plan in order to try and settle down peacefully.
                                                                                                Kreig was a clueless pirate who wanted to try every shortcut he could to the Pirate King.
                                                                                                Arlong was a racial supremacist looking to conquer East Blue.
                                                                                                Ener's motives are still possibly future relevant, he wanted to find and pick out worthy people to come with him to a distant paradise.

                                                                                                And Lucci wanted blood. Whoopee.

                                                                                                Crocodile aside, but the World Government as the real enemy here was handled well.

                                                                                                Parts were, the flag shooting scene was great. And the first couple of chapters of the attack on the island were cool. But mostly it was cool in concept and not so well executed. I still find the Buster Call a bit underwhelming.

                                                                                                Also power ups are a shonen staple.

                                                                                                It's almost like Robby was saying that the power-ups were poorly done, not that power ups are bad.

                                                                                                Frankly I think this arc raised One Piece to a new level just like Alabasta did.

                                                                                                Because people were fighting cool…
                                                                                                I don't think you really understand why Alabasta brought things up a level at all.

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                                                                                                  Water 7 is great. Robin's flashback is great. Enies Lobby is awful. On the whole it comes out okay, but Enies Lobby is bad, its just multiple volumes of non-stop fighting (nearly 6 months when it was coming out weekly) with powerups from nowhere that lacks in intensity, drama, or an interesting main villain.

                                                                                                  You guys would probably have hated Dragon Ball Z reading it weekly 😉

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                                                                                                    You guys would probably have hated Dragon Ball Z reading it weekly 😉

                                                                                                    I just finished rereading Enies Lobby volume to volume (for the second time) and nothing about my opinion changed, guy who thinks current Naruto is good.

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                                                                                                      I agree when it comes to Lucci, probably the least interesting arc villain so far. His only real motive and purpose was to prevent luffy from saving Robin, And his fighting style was uninteresting. I always thought people in general think (non mythical) Zoan users are pretty dull to watch?

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                                                                                                        You answered your own question by citing literally nothing but combat crap lol.

                                                                                                        And do please strictly seperate Water7 from Enies Lobby because W7 was super good from start to finish.

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                                                                                                        See? Here again, the pros you bring up are nothing but combat. At what point does it being a story, even though an action story, lose such importance that "but it had cool fighting styles" is a defense against it being bland?

                                                                                                        What the hell??
                                                                                                        Are you seriously saying Lucci was the most interesting enemy aside from Crocodile as of then??
                                                                                                        That's insane talk lol.
                                                                                                        He doesn't measure a bean against almost everyone who came before him. Excepting maybe Wapol.
                                                                                                        Even Krieg and Kuro were more interesting.
                                                                                                        Lucci's biggest problem was he had like zero motive at all, he wanted to kill people legally and seemed like a fight junkie.
                                                                                                        Kuro had a big crazy plan in order to try and settle down peacefully.
                                                                                                        Kreig was a clueless pirate who wanted to try every shortcut he could to the Pirate King.
                                                                                                        Arlong was a racial supremacist looking to conquer East Blue.
                                                                                                        Ener's motives are still possibly future relevant, he wanted to find and pick out worthy people to come with him to a distant paradise.

                                                                                                        And Lucci wanted blood. Whoopee.

                                                                                                        Parts were, the flag shooting scene was great. And the first couple of chapters of the attack on the island were cool. But mostly it was cool in concept and not so well executed. I still find the Buster Call a bit underwhelming.

                                                                                                        It's almost like Robby was saying that the power-ups were poorly done, not that power ups are bad.

                                                                                                        Because people were fighting cool...
                                                                                                        I don't think you really understand why Alabasta brought things up a level at all.

                                                                                                        Yeah I forgot about Arlong so put him with Crocodile, Enel is cool but a God complex is overly done I'll wait to see what happens in the future. Kuro,

                                                                                                        What? A bunch of people don't read the epic that is One Piece simply because they "don't like the art"

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