Come on, there shouldn't be an 11 tails, or another 10 tails for that matter.
There's a dark continent with… Anti Ninjas, who have the other 9 tailed beasts?
Come on, there shouldn't be an 11 tails, or another 10 tails for that matter.
There's a dark continent with… Anti Ninjas, who have the other 9 tailed beasts?
Yeah, that's something else that's been glaring me, too. Only half? So where'd the other half run off to? Yin and Yang chakra?
Because really, this story just needs to end.
So I got bored and watched the Ichigo vs. Aizen fight. (I stopped reading the manga after the whole Quincy deal, stopped watching the anime waaaaay longer.) Ichigo gave zero f*cks. It was funny.
Also Ichigo's new Zanpakuto(s) are goofy. That is all.
Ichigo is simply the protagonist we need but do not deserve.
He represents all of us in our sheer apathy as to the developments to that climactic part of the arc.
Once upon a time, I thought Naruto and Bleach were good manga, full of action and a good story… Then I stopped reading for a few years, to come back to shit like this. Bleach was ok this week, but Naruto. Naruto is getting so annoying with all these "Narutard is teh ninja jesus, and the 4th's son and the descendent of the Senju's BUT HE HAD TO WORK HARD" it's like his whole character was ruined because Kishi powered up Sasuke to much.... And now this manga is gonna keep going for forever with the revelation that the Sage of six paths had a brother, who will end up being the next villain... When will this manga end?!?
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Come on, there shouldn't be an 11 tails, or another 10 tails for that matter.
There's a dark continent with… Anti Ninjas, who have the other 9 tailed beasts?
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I'm obsessing about this brother, If kishi ups him to the next main villian, we could have naruto for ANOTHER TEN YEARS, fighting Space Rabits, with Sasuke!
I heard that Kishi said Naruto ends in 2014.
I heard that Kishi said Naruto ends in 2014.
Shouldn't have added this bunny queen and bunny brother stuff if he didn't plan on expanding upon it.
But at least it will allow for the possible sequel if there are some loose ends, right?
How come there was no bunny village? This could have been on their head plate.
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Shouldn't have added this bunny queen and bunny brother stuff if he didn't plan on expanding upon it.
But at least it will allow for the possible sequel if there are some loose ends, right?
How come there was no bunny village? This could have been on their head plate.
A bunny village is only posible in Mashima mangas.
Funny you should mention bunnies and Mashima
I can see the future!! I just started to read Fairy Tail special chapter about Erza and look what I found:
[http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/Special Chapter 2/2311/4](http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/Special Chapter 2/2311/4)
The world is over. People are talking about Bland Tail in a NarutoJesus and AssBleach thread. Did these three series finally reached a point when we can merge all of them into one thread?
@Aru:
The world is over. People are talking about Bland Tail in a NarutoJesus and AssBleach thread. Did these three series finally reached a point when we can merge all of them into one thread?
There's still hope for the world. I just found this funny. Talking about playboy bunnies, I mention Mashima and He puts a playboy bunny in his manga.
And lol about NarutoJesus
Shoddy photoshop is shoddy but…
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@God:
Speaking of the original theme being ruined.
Only watched like a minute cause seen his videos before and NEVER been able to finish them. I dislike this guy.
But his argument saying just cause his dad is super awesome doesn't mean he has to be super awesome is stupid and not related at all.
1. So far in this manga anyone who's dad has been awesome the kid has ALWAYS surpased their fathers and been even more awesome.
2. Again who cares about point 1. The point being, Naruto isnt' only just awesome cause his parents were, he is the actual reincarnation of some person. This isn't just about because your ancensors were awesome. This is actually a re-birth of someone. Naruto isn't just a hard working person, he is the re-birth of someone who worked super hard. He was not only pre-destined to turn out this exact way, he had already done so in another life. Doesn't matter if his dad was a drunk who didn't do anything and was the weakest man in the universe. Naruto is the rebirth of this one person. All of ihs accomplishments are thus not his anymore.
Funny thinking about One Piece, cause how often have I seen that people want this exact thing for Luffy. They want Luffy to be Roger reincarnated or some shit. Great how much this series is ripped on and yet at the same time people want things like this to happen.
Only watched like a minute cause seen his videos before and NEVER been able to finish them. I dislike this guy.
But his argument saying just cause his dad is super awesome doesn't mean he has to be super awesome is stupid and not related at all.
1. So far in this manga anyone who's dad has been awesome the kid has ALWAYS surpased their fathers and been even more awesome.
2. Again who cares about point 1. The point being, Naruto isnt' only just awesome cause his parents were, he is the actual reincarnation of some person. This isn't just about because your ancensors were awesome. This is actually a re-birth of someone. Naruto isn't just a hard working person, he is the re-birth of someone who worked super hard. He was not only pre-destined to turn out this exact way, he had already done so in another life. Doesn't matter if his dad was a drunk who didn't do anything and was the weakest man in the universe. Naruto is the rebirth of this one person. All of ihs accomplishments are thus not his anymore.Funny thinking about One Piece, cause how often have I seen that people want this exact thing for Luffy. They want Luffy to be Roger reincarnated or some shit. Great how much this series is ripped on and yet at the same time people want things like this to happen.
Kudos to you for making it that far. I had to skip ahead in pieces to get a sense of it because how grating these videos are.
Basically you're correct about what his point is and that what really matters in life is what you do. Which is great and all but obviously neglects that he was destined to work hard and obtained great power. And this is even neglecting everything else that has fallen into Naruto's hands.
That Naruto chapter felt like some shitty third rate fan-fiction written by a narutard. It was just above the usual level of crap, it was that bad.
Naruto: Tell us something we don't know
What if Ashura's chakra didn't reincarnate inside of Naruto until years after he was born? What if it wasn't Naruto's birth, bloodline, or prophecy but Naruto's hard work that reincarnated Ashura's chakra in him? What if Ashura's chakra only manifested itself inside Naruto after deeming him worthy? What if Kishi used any of these excuses next week to try and emphasize how much hard work Naruto had to do and all the choices he made in his life were his own, and all the parallels between his life and his ancestors were just fated coincidences. It's almost like he's the exact carbon-copy of Ashura but no wait guys, Naruro is going to break the cycle of hatred so he IS different! He's the Destined Child. So…hard work everyone!!!
That would kind of work, with the Will of Fire and all, but this is Kishi, he'd say that "it is already there!!" and procede with a new transformation, a 10 chapters fight scene, a madara sappy flashback of 4-6 chapters that kills any momentum, a second fight of 5 chapters, a desperate combination attack of N and S, and 3-6 chapters to end, including the battle between N and S that will be short and sweet sweet lovemaking, not counting space bunnies or evil brothers out of nowhere, Including Jiraya's reveal.
What if Ashura's chakra didn't reincarnate inside of Naruto until years after he was born? What if it wasn't Naruto's birth, bloodline, or prophecy but Naruto's hard work that reincarnated Ashura's chakra in him? What if Ashura's chakra only manifested itself inside Naruto after deeming him worthy? What if Kishi used any of these excuses next week to try and emphasize how much hard work Naruto had to do and all the choices he made in his life were his own, and all the parallels between his life and his ancestors were just
fatedcoincidences. It's almost like he's the exact carbon-copy of Ashura but no wait guys, Naruro is going to break the cycle of hatred so he IS different! He's the Destined Child. So…hard work everyone!!!
Woah, slow down there spec, you almost actually gave meaning to this manga! Careful, man.
@Purple:
Woah, slow down there spec, you almost actually gave meaning to this manga! Careful, man.
My goodness you're right! Next thing you know we'll be discussing how the cycle of hatred and revenge between the warring countries in the ninja world is an insightful reflection of our real world geopolitics, and not just 'something for the main character to overcome'.
@Purple:
Kudos to you for making it that far. I had to skip ahead in pieces to get a sense of it because how grating these videos are.
Basically you're correct about what his point is and that what really matters in life is what you do. Which is great and all but obviously neglects that he was destined to work hard and obtained great power. And this is even neglecting everything else that has fallen into Naruto's hands.
you know One Piece too has this destiny thingy….D's are destined to shine...just like Naruto is destined to be savior,so is Luffy- destined to be pirate king...both has enviable linage...also for shounen heroes many things 'fall' in their hands....
if you want to find flaw in such cliche,then all stories suck....
you know One Piece too has this destiny thingy….D's are destined to shine...just like Naruto is destined to be savior,so is Luffy- destined to be pirate king...both has enviable linage...also for shounen heroes many things 'fall' in their hands....
if you want to find flaw in such cliche,then all stories suck....
D's are people of an important background, potentially of a long lost kingdom. It's cool. It's a fantasy, and sometimes it's neat to see "so-and-so has a lineage that most people don't know about."
The key thing is that One Piece is never explicitly focused on "hard work is what determines your outcome" when it comes to Luffy, who not only is descended from some really big names, parallels with Roger in personality and tastes in headwear, and has eaten an incredibly rare fruit that bestows upon him some unique abilities, and no one is making the argument that he's never been blessed with that sort of thing. Hell, Oda even hints at it several times and sets it up appropriately that, yes, Luffy's father and grandfather approach/are top tier characters. Luffy's just a freespirited pirate who's focused on the romance of the seas and becoming pirate king. Never once was it anything like "I'm going to show the world what it means to be a nobody and become a somebody in spite of my ancestry!" In fact, his lineage is so detached from his mindset that, while it provides the readers some neat perspective as to the world, it is almost always the furthest thing from his mind.
Same thing with Hunter x Hunter, where Gon's dad is one of the top five nen users and Killua comes from a whole family of incredibly powerful assassins, Sailor Moon, where the sailor senshi are all reincarnations, or Shokugeki no Souma, where Souma is descended from one of the best chefs in the series. Neither of these series base one of their major themes as being "hard work > predestination." And that's perfectly fine because that's not their focus, and what they do focus on they tend to do pretty well. Conversely, if you look at someone like, say, Saitama from OnePunchMan, a big part of the series is the idea (and schtick) that you don't need anything more than determination and putting your mind to it and that'll be far better than doing crazy stuff to attain great powers. It's a big focus of the series, and it sticks to it. Then you get the middle ground where you have an average protagonist with no crazy background but it doesn't play a role at all to the themes of the series.
The question here is "does this ruin something that was previously an important concept and argument in the story?" For Naruto, a very critical theme that's been brought up in its earlier days was that destiny is not etched in stone and that hard work and determination can produce someone extraordinary, and by giving him not only ancestry but the reincarnation of a spirit who is destined to unlock at some point incredible power diminishes the value of that sort of statement. It'd be like if Xin in Kingdom was actually descended from a really prestigious family in Qin when he was making all those statements about how growing up as a slave doesn't matter to becoming a great general, especially when he directs them to Ouhon.
you know One Piece too has this destiny thingy….D's are destined to shine...just like Naruto is destined to be savior,so is Luffy- destined to be pirate king...both has enviable linage...also for shounen heroes many things 'fall' in their hands....
if you want to find flaw in such cliche,then all stories suck....
The Will of D thing is still very vague, and it's never really been shown or stated that all D's are destined for greatness. Hell, most people don't even seem to care when someone has D in their name.
What's more, One Piece has never gone out of its way to make an obvious major theme that anyone can succeed, regardless of lineage.
you know One Piece too has this destiny thingy….D's are destined to shine...just like Naruto is destined to be savior,so is Luffy- destined to be pirate king...both has enviable linage...also for shounen heroes many things 'fall' in their hands....
if you want to find flaw in such cliche,then all stories suck....
Jaguar D. Saul and Portgas D. Rouge disagree with you.
Can't you see that the problem isn't about " the destiny thingy"! Magi is a story totally based in destiny and people don't complain. The problem is not the presence of destiny(of the cliche), but his use.
Not only Naruto destiny appeared to late in the story, but it conflicts with other concepts of the story and his use is misplaced/bad.
Note that Luffy isn't destined to be pirate King. We, the readers, know that he will be pirate king, because Oda is writing the epic fantasy about him. Being a D doesn't mean anything about that. Luffy just has the "inherit will" of Gol D. Roger. Note that there isn't really any special reason why Luffy has it, he just a kid that has the same disposition.
Naruto made the question "are people lives predetermined from birth, or molded by them during life", the answer was/is "molded by people during their life". Later destiny, reincarnation, lineage was placed as strong concepts in the story and Naruto path was guided by it, while the answer still is "molded by people during their life". Those two things can't coexist, but in Naruto the conflict is brushed off like it isn't there.
One Piece never focused in that question so there is not conflict and no problem about it. One Piece don't even focuses in destiny, reincarnation and lineage.
In One Piece the only focus about destiny that is placed is about the mentality of some people(notable some Marines) that believe that sons are born with the sins of their fathers, so being destined to be sinners as well, and should be punished by their parent's misdoings, while other people(notable some pirates) believe that every people is born totally free(notable of guilt).
There is nothing about destiny about being a D(at least for what we know). Some of them are good, some of them are bad, some of them are powerful, some of them aren't, some of them are with the marines, some with pirates, some with the revolutionaries, some are simple civilians, some of them look for order in the world, some of them only care about themselves and their freedom, some of them are dreamers, some of them aren't, some of them die without doing much, some of them do notable and important things, some of them are humans, some of them are giants.
About the worst thing OP has done in terms of destiny and fate is to reveal that Shank's hat was once Roger's hat. That's pushing the parallels a bit far. (Though considering Ace was actually Roger's kid…) But other than that?
Luff'ys father and grandfather are both big important people, and that's had a few implications along the way (like dragon saving him in Logue town, or Ivanokov helping him out at Impel Down) but by and large, Luffy hasn't been the chosen one or the literal reincarnation of Roger. He's developed top tier talents that other top tiers before him had... but that IS through hard work and ambition. Anyone that tries and believes hard enough can learn the same skills.
@RobbyBevard:
About the worst thing OP has done in terms of destiny and fate is to reveal that Shank's hat was once Roger's hat. That's pushing the parallels a bit far. (Though considering Ace was actually Roger's kid…) But other than that?
Luff'ys father and grandfather are both big important people, and that's had a few implications along the way (like dragon saving him in Logue town, or Ivanokov helping him out at Impel Down) but by and large, Luffy hasn't been the chosen one or the literal reincarnation of Roger. He's developed top tier talents that other top tiers before him had... but that IS through hard work and ambition. Anyone that tries and believes hard enough can learn the same skills.
I don't see how the hat has anything to do with destiny and parallels. The hat has only to do with the passage of a token, about inherited will, and it is pretty deliberated. Only after Shanks heard Luffy talking like Gol D. Roger, he gave his hat(that it was given to him by Roger) to Luffy. He even asked for Luffy to save it until he becomes a famous pirate, basically giving him motivation and a motive to keep in that way and not deviate from it.
The only parallel there is the fact that Luffy talked like Roger, but even that isn't a special trait. Wanting to go to the sea look for freedom and adventure and having the gut to say it out loud without any hesitation is a trait that a lot of people have.
P.S: Note that the act of give the hat: Roger -to-> Shanks, Shanks -to->Luffy. Isn't a parallel, but a succession: Roger -to->Shanks -to->Luffy. Note that a parallel is when two things that aren't directly connected but even still are similar(like Naruto childhood being like Gaara). In the case of the Hat, the receiver of the first time is the giver in the second time. It exist a very strong and direct connection between the situations.
I know it's not a parrallel perse, thats probably not the right word…. but the fact that we as teh audience know Luffy will eventually be pirate King (unless Buggy is...) it just rubs me a little wrong that both pirate kings will have worn the same hat. Even with the intermediary of Shanks, thats a bit close on the chosen one side.
Oda mostly dodges the problem, but it twinges there a little.
I mean it's fine, you can have people of strong lineage in the stories, too. Sometimes it's neat to see a child want to be just like their parent. Alternatively, having a character be prophesized to do something can be fun depending on the context because we as the reader know that the protagonist is going to succeed in the endeavor, so it's more or less just living up to our expectations and just us sitting along and enjoying the ride.
But you can't have both a prophesized child born to very powerful parents trained by powerful people that is actually the reincarnation of a powerful figure in a story about hard work and determination beating destiny.
Next thing you know it'll be revealed to us that Naruto was a genius all along. That's how he mastered the jounin level Kage no Bunshin at such a young age.
Not genius of hard work like Rock Lee who truly embodies the theme of hard work, pure and simple,
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/084/13
but more like Sasuke genius where yeah you did work hard but so much was setup for you to succeed from the very beginning. Now, this would all he fine if the theme of "hard work" wasn't so touted over our heads like it is the reason Naruto got to where he is right now. You can tell Kishi is trying to do that with the whole 'It doesn't matter who your parents were' bit. This would be true if it weren't for the whole ancestry, bloodline, prophecy, reincarnation bit. If Rock Lee were the main character I would believe in the theme of hard work and never giving up will get you far. This guy truly embodies someone who has nothing going for him except the will to get back up and try again.
Ok, I admit. I liked the
"All her bones are turned into cookies"
"what the fuck are cookies"
Reading all these made me remember how confused I was when watching Naruto at first.
Why is he shunned by everyone, again? After finding out more stuff about his parents and what they did, it makes even less sense. Total bullcrap. Living alone, drinking spoiled milk, not receiving proper guidance in training from the moment he was old enough. Why wasn't he living in Hokage's house and under care of anyone who survived Kyuubi attack thanks to Naruto's dad? Why didn't he meet Jiraiya until he was 12? Some godfather that is. Left a kid who was almost like a grandson to him for 10+ years to write erotic stories and spy on Akatsuki.
I guess it makes sense to not teach a kid to control Kyuubi, but instead wait for him to go berserk then handle the issue.
It's all bullcrap. The problem isn't that Naruto being a nobody and having to work hard to become strong was distorted and dropped, the problem is that the premise of him being nobody special was artifical and fake from the start.
If I knew there was this kid in my village that had a demon inside of him, I myself was a wise Hokage, I knew the kidsa parents were from this bloodline and shit - I'd give ALL of my help to this kid. ALL OF IT. And I'd kick everyone who was thinking different, since this kid was now sacrificing his life for us.
In Naruto? HERP DERP HURR DURR no one likes kim, Hokage pays little to no attention to him and doesn't even assign ONE Jounin (or even a Chunnin, whatever) as his care-taker AND MY SPY. Because, yeah, let's give this kid free card and let him run anywhere he wants to! HELL LET HIM LIVE ALONE EVEN IF HE'S ~12 YEARS OLD!
And you know what? This stuff didn't anger me, because I had pink glasses on, because the rest of the series was so good. But when it went to shit? Suddenly you see every single flaw, you see how crumbled up the story was from the beginning.
Oda also started in a weird way, becasue hey - a kid from a village? Where were his parents when the pirates came there? Did they see he stabbed himself? WELP, Oda explained later on Luffy's backstory.
Kishi? I don't think we'll get any backstory about NarutoJesus' life, now that we know he was Jesus all along and he was probably Jesusing his life all along like the Jesus he is.
Reading all these made me remember how confused I was when watching Naruto at first.
Why is he shunned by everyone, again? After finding out more stuff about his parents and what they did, it makes even less sense. Total bullcrap. Living alone, drinking spoiled milk, not receiving proper guidance in training from the moment he was old enough. Why wasn't he living in Hokage's house and under care of anyone who survived Kyuubi attack thanks to Naruto's dad? Why didn't he meet Jiraiya until he was 12? Some godfather that is. Left a kid who was almost like a grandson to him for 10+ years to write erotic stories and spy on Akatsuki.
I guess it makes sense to not teach a kid to control Kyuubi, but insted wait for him to go berserk then handle the issue.It's all bullcrap. The problem isn't that Naruto being a nobody and having to work hard to become strong was distorted and dropped, the problem is that the premise of him being nobody special was artifical and fake from the start.
I dislike Naruto just as much as everyone does, but this post made me sad..
In One Piece you had Makino that was always with Luffy and the other villagers all cared about him(The Mayor, the fish seller and his wife and even when the bandits start attacking Luffy, there were people out there thinking of maybe intervening). In the end of that first chapter, Luffy went out to the sea, so his back story is not really relevant and can be assumed pretty easily that he had a guardian, even if it was Makino and/or the Mayor.
In Naruto he was not only alone at the beginning of the manga where he had 12 year, but he was all alone and hated from birth. That for itself is a hard to eat setting, but to put it worse the story puts relevance about Naruto not having nobody that cares for him, nobody to call father or mother(So what was Naruto first words? Where did he got the milk to feed when he was a newborn?). So how the hell did he survived? It makes no fucking sense. Is like if Harry Potter told the story about a kid whose parents died when he was a newborn, but than it totally brushed off about how his uncles raised him(And that would be a lot of times better than Naruto, because Harry Potter story doesn't focus on how his childhood was, but only on consequence of not growing with his parents nor with good guardians). That is the basic of the basics of writing, you should make believable something that you focus on, the rest you can let undone(of course it would be cool if it was believable as well, but is not needed).
It would be totally easier to show that Naruto had guardians, but they treated him like shit and always remembered him that he wasn't part of the family just like in Harry Potter. While in Harry Potter the reason for them to do that is because his auntie hated her sister, because she was a wizard, in Naruto was because he had the Kyuubi inside of him and it Kishimoto could even spice things up, by making someone dear to the guardians die by the hands of the Kyuubi and/or Naruto hurt one of them(or someone related to them, like their true son) with the power of the Kyuubi by accident.
Konoha sucks, in short.
You know what else doesn't make sense? ANBU. A squad of elite ninjas who aren't worth for shit.
If only Kishi did it smarter and expanded Naruto's story at least until his late teens, showing him enter ANBU and do secret missions and shit.
Or maybe make him travel alone for a while, meet the people of the world, learn stuff on his own. A real hermitage, not the one where you train 2 days and become a hermit.
There were so many possiblities to exapnd the world and make it really matter to the plot.
It's all bullcrap. The problem isn't that Naruto being a nobody and having to work hard to become strong was distorted and dropped, the problem is that the premise of him being nobody special was artifical and fake from the start.
Wait, what? Naruto had the 9 Tailed Bijuu sealed inside of him (making him a Jinchuuriki) when he was a baby and pretty much everyone guessed correctly that Naruto was related to the 4th when they saw Minato's image very early on. The premise of Naruto was never that he was ordinary or nothing special. In fact, as soon as the manga begin it proved otherwise with that whole Kyuubi being sealed inside him thing. Naruto was always shown as someone "special" since the very beginning of the manga, just in a very negative light. He was the outcast, the monster, the destined child (no wait that's not until later) the demon child. He was never portrayed as "nobody special" though. He was also called a "loser" but that was his character to the kids in the manga, but we the audiene knew otherwise.
The problem is exactly what others have stated on here already. The very much pronounced theme of hard work getting Naruto to where he is right now is being curb stompped by the whole Destined Child and reincarnation business.
Konoha sucks, in short.
You know what else doesn't make sense? ANBU. A squad of elite ninjas who aren't worth for shit.
If only Kishi did it smarter and expanded Naruto's story at least until his late teens, showing him enter ANBU and do secret missions and shit.
Or maybe make him travel alone for a while, meet the people of the world, learn stuff on his own. A real hermitage, not the one where you train 2 days and become a hermit.There were so many possiblities to exapnd the world and make it really matter to the plot.
Don't forget that you have a special black ops squad for a village that specializes in an occupation that specializes in black ops.
Can anyone plesse give me a reasonable explenation for why it was that everyone in the village knew that naruto had the nine-tails in him? I could come to a reasonable conclusion on how some people might know that or at least how they themselves could come to that conclusion, but everyone in the village? Also, why the hell would they resent a child for pretty much being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Naruto had no choice in becoming the host for the nine-tails, he was a baby when it was put into him, so if it's anyone you should be angry at and have resentmant towards it would logically be the a-hole who put a demon in a baby.
There are a fuckton of plotholes with the first chapter of Nardo, looking back with what we know now.
How did no one make the connection between this Uzumaki kid and the last Hokage's wife?
Why did the villagers straight-up ignore the Fourth's wish for Naruto to be hailed as a hero?
Why was something as innocuous as the full Shadow Clone technique in the goddamn forbidden scroll?
How did Naruto, established as something of an idiot when it comes to learning, figure the technique out in the first place?
Why was the Fourth Hokage's son living in a run-down apartment alone with no source of income?
Shadow Clones is the only one that I can explain:
Full shadow clones are actualy easier than most clones, naruto is just stupid with hand seals and chakra manipulation, shadow clones requires just one seal and some chakra, naruto can output tons of that. The technique is dangerous as it requires tons of chakra, others just need to mold something (water, rock, snakes, trees) into a body-shape, but the shadow clones creates a full body out of chakra, plus the rest of the functions of the clones (control, mind share, apareance). A regular person could easily shoot itself in the foot with the technique, as it's easy to create a clone, they could chakra-out very easily and die. Naruto doesn't have that problem.
Shadow Clones is the only one that I can explain:
Full shadow clones are actualy easier than most clones, naruto is just stupid with hand seals and chakra manipulation, shadow clones requires just one seal and some chakra, naruto can output tons of that. The technique is dangerous as it requires tons of chakra, others just need to mold something (water, rock, snakes, trees) into a body-shape, but the shadow clones creates a full body out of chakra, plus the rest of the functions of the clones (control, mind share, apareance). A regular person could easily shoot itself in the foot with the technique, as it's easy to create a clone, they could chakra-out very easily and die. Naruto doesn't have that problem.
I thought this post was really cool, then I remembered you're talking about Naruto.
Still interesting
that was all explained in the manga before it tanked into the godawful bag of dicks that is now.
So it's ok to think it's cool!
Yeah. the scroll is forbidden because even Kakashi can barley make one full clone. If anyone else tried to make two… it'd kill them. Naruto jus thappened to have a demon fox in his tummy.
But yeah, everything else falls apart with the retcon that the fourth is his father and that having tailed beasts hosts is a long standing honored tradition in all the villages... rather than a one time freak accident desperation move that created an unpredictable and unprecedented monster (And that the idea of doing it ON PURPOSE to Gaara was amazingly horrific thing to do intentionally.)
@RobbyBevard:
Yeah. the scroll is forbidden because even Kakashi can barley make one full clone. If anyone else tried to make two… it'd kill them. Naruto jus thappened to have a demon fox in his tummy.
Nah the regular shadow clone technique is relatively safe, and Kakashi even uses the multi shadow clone technique at the end of the Zabuza arc to intimidate the mercenaries. The problem is that because the technique divides the user's chakra equally for the amount of clones created, so creating a ton of them at once means you're left with a sliver of your original chakra. Which I guess is useful if you fight someone who can see how much chakra you're using up but you'd think that someone would try to optimize it considering all clones end up poofing after a single punch anyway.
That said as Cyan mentioned the shadow clone technique is pretty pervasive in the culture so it doesn't seem like people care about that limitation anyway, and as it turns out any chakra that the clone had after being destroyed gets sent back to the user… so really the risk as long as you're not singled out as the original isn't that big after Kishimoto decided to throw that in.
But yeah, everything else falls apart with the retcon that the fourth is his father and that having tailed beasts hosts is a long standing honored tradition in all the villages… rather than a one time freak accident desperation move that created an unpredictable and unprecedented monster (And that the idea of doing it ON PURPOSE to Gaara was amazingly horrific thing to do intentionally.)
"Guess what Gaara, your father actually loved you! He even sent your uncle to try to murder you as a test!"
Can anyone plesse give me a reasonable explenation for why it was that everyone in the village knew that naruto had the nine-tails in him? I could come to a reasonable conclusion on how some people might know that or at least how they themselves could come to that conclusion, but everyone in the village?
I don't think everyone knew but I'd say at least 1/2 of the village knew. People talk, rumors spread, and things just become obvious especially after 12 years. It's hard to keep that kind of secret quiet for a time period like that, but at least I don't think most of the kids knew. The Hokage gave a strict no talk policy but I highly doubt that stopped most of the adults from letting a few things slip here and there over the years..
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/002/14
Also, why the hell would they resent a child for pretty much being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Naruto had no choice in becoming the host for the nine-tails, he was a baby when it was put into him, so if it's anyone you should be angry at and have resentmant towards it would logically be the a-hole who put a demon in a baby.
It's because the villagers saw him as the demon fox. If you read the first chapters again (no need I just did) the villagers who know about him always refer to him as the Kyuubi. It's not until later that they start seeing him as an actual individual person. Iruka got a heads up on most of his fellow neighbors and recognized Naruto early on but even he regarded Naruto as the demon fox at first.
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/001/45
If you see someone as the monster that killed your family you're going to hate him even though it's only your ignorance which has led you to that conclusion. Overall, why did they hate Naruto? Ignorance.
@Cyan:
There are a fuckton of plotholes with the first chapter of Nardo, looking back with what we know now.
- How did no one make the connection between this Uzumaki kid and the last Hokage's wife?
! Who said Kushina was an Uzamaki!?
! http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/500/3
! Oh…ok, well maybe Naruto's last name was a well guarded secret-
! http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/001/9
! Eh….
! > 2) Why did the villagers straight-up ignore the Fourth's wish for Naruto to be hailed as a hero?
! Well, the only people around to hear Minato say he wanted his son to be seen as a hero was the 3rd Hokage, Kushina, and a few other shinobi.
! http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/504/5 (if you read the pages from there you'll see the goodbye speech and all that jazz but that'd be unnecessary)
! Now, remember that gag order the 3rd placed on the villagers concerning Naruto and the fox? The one where he made sure as little people knew about it being inside Naruto and Naruto being the Jinchuuriki and Naruto being the 4ths son???
! http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/440/5
! If he limited the spread of information about Naruto being the Jinchuuriki he definitely did not spread the message that Minato wanted the villagers to look at Naruto as a hero/savior because that would have revealed the fox was inside Naruto and defeated the purpose of the gag order. Resultingly, while people eventually learned over the years that Naruto had the demon fox sealed inside of him the information about him being the 4ths son and the reasons why Minato did it were still kept secret. I would just like to point out that even Minato and Kushina knew Naruto was going to go through hell no matter the good intentions.
! http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/504/12
! The 3rd probably figured there was no point in trying to tell the villagers what Minato wanted for his son because his efforts would have fallen on deaf ears and the villagers would have looked at Naruto as a demon anyway. Also, above stated reasons of people being ignorant apply to whhy they did not treat Naruto as a hero when he should, at the very least, been treated with some respect for being sacrificed like that.
! > 3) Why was something as innocuous as the full Shadow Clone technique in the goddamn forbidden scroll?
! Because of the many disgusting things you can do with that jutsu.
! > 4) How did Naruto, established as something of an idiot when it comes to learning, figure the technique out in the first place?
! Ummm…errmmm...hard work? And apparently he learned it in about half a day.
! http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/001/24
! > 5) Why was the Fourth Hokage's son living in a run-down apartment alone with no source of income?
! A logical reason would be because of politics. If most of the village hated or feared Naruto and the Hokage hooked him up in a nice pad and gave him fresh milk it'd just make his job harder. Though Hiruzen was the 3rd Hokage he still had to run the village through his advisors which served as a kind of checks and balance system. The 3rd had to compromise and let Naruto grow up on his own in the village but he did watch over him from time to time through his magic crystal ball. Plus, not even the Hokage knew if Naruto would lose control of the Kyubi unexpectedly one day so he wasn't going to do him too many favors.
! The real reason though is because…childhood trauma = sympathy for the main character.
I apologize for all the links. If I had a computer I would offer up nice cut and pasted panels but I'm doing this all from my phone.
@RobbyBevard:
Yeah. the scroll is forbidden because even Kakashi can barley make one full clone. If anyone else tried to make two… it'd kill them. Naruto jus thappened to have a demon fox in his tummy.
'Fraid not.
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-38-10/naruto/chapter-33.html
And this was after he'd been weakened from his fight with Zabuza. But hey, who needs consistency?
Yeah speaking of that.
Why exactly was there a gag order placed? So that kids won't resent him? Boatload of good that did for what was once a time honored tradition in the village. Like seriously, even if he has the manifestation of a brutal energy animal in him, all the adults decided it would be smarter not only to disown the fact that jinchuriki were a tradition in the village that everyone knew about and was brought down to people of a special lineage, the Uzumaki lineage, but also to prod the emotionally sensitive child that could burst into full destruction mode with a stick?
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Where the hell does Naruto get the money for rent and eating out at the ramen stall all the time?