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http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/574/4
why do we need to spend a whole page on this ?
WHY ?
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http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/574/16
Since when did spirits in the afterlife need to breathe exactly ?
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http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/574/4
why do we need to spend a whole page on this ?
WHY ?
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http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/574/16
Since when did spirits in the afterlife need to breathe exactly ?
@No:
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/574/16
Since when did spirits in the afterlife need to breathe exactly ?
Since when were you under the impression that spirits didn't need oxygen to breathe?
Since when were you under the impression that spirits didn't need oxygen to breathe?
Ichigo was breathing water in his inner world just fine.
edit: Maybe that's just a Quincy ability? :ninja:
… so, this is the answer Kishi gave to us. Out of nowhere SS 3.
So, if Kenpachi's reiatsu suddenly appeared does that mean Yachiru just imagines Kenpachi coming to save her and that made it real?
@Aru:
So, if Kenpachi's reiatsu suddenly appeared does that mean Yachiru just imagines Kenpachi coming to save her and that made it real?
Maybe his Raitsu is the bullshit that Ichigo had back then.
He was soo strong that it was beyond peoples ability to percieve the raitsu, and thus it seemed like he had none.
BUT the reason that they were then able to sense it was because that little guy imagined how strong Kenpachi was, and thus others were able to sense it then.
Since when were you under the impression that spirits didn't need oxygen to breathe?
Lol, I see what you did there.
With this pace Kubo could make Bleach longer than One Piece. SH will get to Raftel and Ichigo will still be on his way from Karin tower.
@Aru:
So, if Kenpachi's reiatsu suddenly appeared does that mean Yachiru just imagines Kenpachi coming to save her and that made it real?
Oh that actually makes sense. It isn't really Kenpachi but Yachiru's imagination of him.
This week's Naruto chapter summed up.
It took me like 3 weeks to realize this Quincy guy (still can't remember his name) is a revamp of Yukio from Xcution. Yukio was short, blonde and could control reality inside his game world.
This guy is also short, probably blonde and can control reality. Level up!
it's kinda sad, Kubo really tries to make this quincy loser look creepy, but I'm just not feeling it
To give Kubo some credit, he succeeded in making his face look like the kind you'd want to punch really hard repeatedly.
Not because he's creepy, just because he looks like a douche.
Man this dude's imagination sucks. He has the ability to imagine whatever he wants and everything, in spite of his descriptions of it, are so incredibly bland.
To give Kubo some credit, he succeeded in making his face look like the kind you'd want to punch really hard repeatedly.
Not because he's creepy, just because he looks like a douche.
@Purple:
Man this dude's imagination sucks. He has the ability to imagine whatever he wants and everything, in spite of his descriptions of it, are so incredibly bland.
Are you guys talking about Bleach or Kubo..?
Needless Naruto flashback that kills the theme of hard work forever while trying to make a case about it still beign hard work? (Just because you're the son of the hokage and a special tailed host, the decendant of the great sage, ninja jesus, and have bloodline traits… that doesn't mean your hard work meant nothing! But you know, you're also the reincarnation of another guy that was strong!)
Oh well. At least it'll give him one more BS powerup to beat the final villain with and restore balance and peace between the reincarnations after all the centuries are whatever. This could actually be over soon.
@RobbyBevard:
Needless Naruto flashback that kills the theme of hard work forever while trying to make a case about it still beign hard work?
I honestly never seen such betrayal of theme in anything I've ever seen, I'm flabbergasted
Not even Terminator 3 who spat in the face of the whole "our destiny isn't definite and unavoidable" was this bad
there isn't much to say that hasn't be said yet.
So will the 6 sage brother be revealed to be also evil just so to make more parallels.
So if Naruto and Sasuke, as well as Hashirama and Madara, are reincarnations of…those two guys, then how can two reincarnations of one person be alive at the same time?
I dunno. Any Buddhists or Hindu that can help me out here?
@The:
Also, that is the shittiest drawn lava I have ever seen.
Nah. Mizukage's cum lava still takes the cake.
Anyway, Bleach. Hey, here's an idea Smug Bishie: Why don't you just imagine that Kenpachi is dead? Or that whatever motivation you clearly don't have is automatically fulfilled? Or, better yet, why don't you just imagine that this manga is over and that Kubo eternally has a dildo rammed up his ass?
@Purple:
Yes .
Meanwhile, Rock Lee's manga continues to be hilarious and awesome. Not sure if you guys are aware, but chapter 31 has been out for a while now, and it is fantastic. If you haven't read it yet, go do so now…
Another shonen comic is having it's "ANCIENT HISTORY OF THE WORLD" storyline right now and I'm thinking how awkward it would be if, instead of the exposition being set up long in advance and brought about in a natural way, it happened via pivotal ancient dude randomly travelling through time and space into the subconcious of a protagonist and telling them everything out of the blue…
Really awkward.
f-ing ninja aliens. goddamn it kishi
I honestly never seen such betrayal of theme in anything I've ever seen, I'm flabbergasted
Not even Terminator 3 who spat in the face of the whole "our destiny isn't definite and unavoidable" was this bad
In Terminator 3 you had two guys going one against each other with different ideologies.
You had the main character that believed that the destiny could be changed and you had the Robot that believed(Or was programmed) that the destiny was unavoidable. In the end the Robot deceived the main Character to believe that he started to believe the same as the main character and was helping him changing the future, when he fact he wasn't.
I don't see how that his bad writing. The theme was always the conflict between those two believe systems and in the end the one right was that gave the "bad" ending.
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Another shonen comic is having it's "ANCIENT HISTORY OF THE WORLD" storyline right now and I'm thinking how awkward it would be if, instead of the exposition being set up long in advance and brought about in a natural way, it happened via pivotal ancient dude randomly travelling through time and space into the subconcious of a protagonist and telling them everything out of the blue…
Really awkward.
You're talking of Magi, right? In a way it happened just like in Naruto "Ancient dude randomly travelling through time and space into the subconcious of a protagonist and telling them everything out of the blue…"! In the end that is what Solomon wisdom is(And Alladin is a reincarnation(proxy) of Solomon as well). But yep, while in magi that was well executed making it perfect and really awesome, in Naruto it so badly written that all seems bullshit and make the story more bullshit.
In Terminator 3 you had two guys going one against each other with different ideologies.
You had the main character that believed that the destiny could be changed and you had the Robot that believed(Or was programmed) that the destiny was unavoidable. In the end the Robot deceived the main Character to believe that he started to believe the same as the main character and was helping him changing the future, when he fact he wasn't.
I don't see how that his bad writing. The theme was always the conflict between those two believe systems and in the end the one right was that gave the "bad" ending.
but it makes the second movie completely pointless. All the struggle, raiding the facility and facing off an army of cop and the friggin' T-1000 - all completely and utterly pointless, especially after a heartfelt monologue from Sarah Connor about how from now on, destiny wasn't written down, how they could genuinely escape the horror of a skynet future just to get the middle finger in a shitty adaption years latter saying pretty much "lol, skynet would've found another way to develop the EXACT SAME sentiment and philosophy like former skynet did"
and no, there wasn't really a conflict between these two "believe systems" (which they aren't) it was pretty straight forward and the very reason why the third should have never existed
They succeeded at the end of terminator 2 with destroying all evidence of skynet even existing (which, if you remember was the catalyst for skynet even existing in judgment day) since it all played into the "things from the past creating the future" narrative the series had going on (Kyle Reese being John Connors father only because John send him back in time, the arm and chip of the first T-800 being the foundation for Miles research)
The third movie can go and fuck itself
Just wait till this arc in Naruto finishes and everyone is all happy and united.
But then the space rabbits come and the real shit is about to get on. They'll want to conquer the civilization they helped to create but ninjas will fight back for their independence.
but it makes the second movie completely pointless. All the struggle, raiding the facility and facing off an army of cop and the friggin' T-1000 - all completely and utterly pointless, especially after a heartfelt monologue from Sarah Connor about how from now on, destiny wasn't written down, how they could genuinely escape the horror of a skynet future just to get the middle finger in a shitty adaption years latter saying pretty much "lol, skynet would've found another way to develop the EXACT SAME sentiment and philosophy like former skynet did"
and no, there wasn't really a conflict between these two "believe systems" (which they aren't) it was pretty straight forward and the very reason why the third should have never existed
They succeeded at the end of terminator 2 with destroying all evidence of skynet even existing (which, if you remember was the catalyst for skynet even existing in judgment day) since it all played into the "things from the past creating the future" narrative the series had going on (Kyle Reese being John Connors father only because John send him back in time, the arm and chip of the first T-800 being the foundation for Miles research)
The third movie can go and fuck itself
I'm seeing you're confused. They didn't really knew very well what really caused the Skynet. If I remember well they thought it was the arm of the robot from the first movie. Notice that Sarah Connor isn't omniscient nor John Connor(The kid from the Present and the Man from the future) nor the Robot(Terminator) nor even the Skynet from the future. They didn't knew how everything happened nor the consequences of the changes they made. They believed that they had finally rewritten the future, that is the only fact. The hell, the Skynet was even the cause for the creation of his archenemy and, what they thought(Sarah and John), the creation of itself without even knowing.
The 3rd movie doesn't destroy that in any way. It builds on top of it. After a lot of years, John thought the future was rewritten when another Robot(Terminator) appears and says that they didn't really rewrite the future, or at least the parts they wanted. You can argue the movie is a retcon, but Is one very good retcon at that. In fact the same can be told about the 2nd movie, that it was a retcon of the 1st movie.
There was a conflict! Throughout all the movie and in the end. The end message of the movie was even about that! The conflict was very explicit and simple handled, the Terminator telling that his mission was putting John Connor into a save place, and protect him from the Robot-Girl, even if against his orders(so this time the terminator wasn't made to obey him), while John Connor was looking for the "different" origin of the Skynet and trying to destroy it to finally "change" the future.
There were a portion of the movie that makes the viewers believe that the conflict ended and that now we are only focusing in the John Connor objective, but in the end we see that everything was the Terminator deceiving him.
Suddenly we are talking about Terminator?
New thread title: I'll be back.
I can't believe I'm doing this
@Bigivel:
I'm seeing you're confused. They didn't really knew very well what really caused the Skynet. If I remember well they thought it was the arm of the robot from the first movie. Notice that Sarah Connor isn't omniscient nor John Connor(The kid from the Present and the Man from the future) nor the Robot(Terminator) nor even the Skynet from the future. They didn't know how everything happened nor the consequences of the changes they made. They believed that they had finally rewritten the future, that is the only fact.
but they did. Sarah knew it was the the arm and the chip, Miles even confirmed that, the Terminator knew, that's why he told them about Dyson anyway. The Terminator can only get his knowledge through Skynet, so it's logical to assume that Skynet knew that Miles Dyson was his creator. Yeah, sure, skynet can't know about pararell dimensions and shit with different outcomes, but that is irrelevant to the continuity of the first two movies who work perfectly for just that - a self contained story in two movies, not three, there was never a reason for terminator 3 except lazy cash-in and milking of a franchise that should've stayed in the 80s/90s
The 3rd movie doesn't destroy that in any way. It builds on top of that. After a lot of years, John thought the future was rewritten when another Robot(Terminator) appears and says that they didn't really rewrite the future, or at least the parts they wanted. You can argue the movie is a retcon, but Is one very good retcon at that. In fact the same can be told about the 2nd movie, that it was a retcon of the 1st movie.
jesus fuck, no, no, no, that's not a good a retcon at all, what the fuck
The second was a direct continuation of the happenings in the first movie, the second actually builds on the first, with the arm and chip surviving the hydraulic press in the first movie, this isn't some mystical case where it was always meant for Skynet to exist at any time, it was a lazy idea in a shitty movie. Sarah lands in the psychiatric ward for claiming robots will rule the future and her actions of trying to bomb the facility who recovered the future objects. What about Terminator 3? Jump into the far future, adult john, Sarah dead, almost completely disconnected from the former movies, except for the fact that they happened.
Terminator 1 '84 to terminator 2 '91, six years between the movies, both with James Cameron as a director and writer and William Wisher Jr as writer too
and then, twelve fucking years later, terminator 3 in '03, not directed or written by Cameron, not even Wisher on board
There was a conflict! Throughout all the movie and in the end. The end message of the movie was even about that! The conflict was very explicit and simple handled, the Terminator telling that his mission was putting John Connor into a save place, and protect him from the Robot-Girl, even if against him(so this time the terminator wasn't made to obey him), while John Connor was looking for the "different" origin of the Skynet and trying to destroy it to finally "changing" the future.
yes, that was in the third movie that who just made all that stuff up that never should've been, that's my point. In the third the Terminator knows there is no hope, while the one in the second movie said even he doesn't know what could develop with them targeting the company, again, how convenient for the writers of the third. I wish bending the story of long etablished franchises was always an option!
There were a portion of the movie that makes the viewers believe that the conflict ended and that now we are only focusing in the John Connor objective, but in the end we see that everything was the Terminator deceiving him.
again, that was in the third movie, that happened in its own dumb parallel universe disconnected from the first and second. I really don't care what the third claims is relevant, it's like Indy 4, I just pretend it doesn't exist because it shouldn't, since it completely shits on the two movies before it.
You guys need to discuss the Alien thing much more. I still can't believe this really happened, goddamn it Kishi.
Otherwise both chapters were fun. Bleach largely for its ending though. Also I like that "Kenpachi is just Yachiru's imagination" theory a lot.
These chapters were too stupid for words. I can't deal anymore. I'm just going to avoid them until they're over then catch up. later yall.
You guys need to discuss the Alien thing much more. I still can't believe this really happened, goddamn it Kishi.
Well, it's an obvious reference to Japanese folk tale of Princess Kaguya, who also was an alien or "came from another world".
That being said, it's still stupid as hell. And it continues Kishi's trend of, "It's a reference to Japanese folklore, so that means it's smart and cool!"
So if Naruto and Sasuke, as well as Hashirama and Madara, are reincarnations of…those two guys, then how can two reincarnations of one person be alive at the same time?
Wait, is that really the case in the chapter? I don't read the chapter until Monday so I haven't witnessed for myself…
But yea, that's kind of a Kishi original.
Also throws a wrench into resurrection/Edo tensei type stuff in general. Like, every other Edo tensei zombie we've seen? Have their spirits reincarnated yet and thus have cases similar to Naruto/Hashirama/the Sage?
When Hashirama got Edo tensei'd, did a chunk of Naruto's soul get yanked out or something?
I can't believe I'm doing this
but they did. Sarah knew it was the the arm and the chip, Miles even confirmed that, the Terminator knew, that's why he told them about Dyson anyway. The Terminator can only get his knowledge through Skynet, so it's logical to assume that Skynet knew that Miles Dyson was his creator. Yeah, sure, skynet can't know about pararell dimensions and shit with different outcomes, but that is irrelevant to the continuity of the first two movies who work perfectly for just that - a self contained story in two movies, not three, there was never a reason for terminator 3 except lazy cash-in and milking of a franchise that should've stayed in the 80s/90s
jesus fuck, no, no, no, that's not a good a retcon at all, what the fuck
The second was a direct continuation of the happenings in the first movie, the second actually builds on the first, with the arm and chip surviving the hydraulic press in the first movie, this isn't some mystical case where it was always meant for Skynet to exist at any time, it was a lazy idea in a shitty movie. Sarah lands in the psychiatric ward for claiming robots will rule the future and her actions of trying to bomb the facility who recovered the future objects. What about Terminator 3? Jump into the far future, adult john, Sarah dead, almost completely disconnected from the former movies, except for the fact that they happened.
Terminator 1 '84 to terminator 2 '91, six years between the movies, both with James Cameron as a director and writer and William Wisher Jr as writer too
and then, twelve fucking years later, terminator 3 in '03, not directed or written by Cameron, not even Wisher on boardyes, that was in the third movie that who just made all that stuff up that never should've been, that's my point. In the third the Terminator knows there is no hope, while the one in the second movie said even he doesn't know what could develop with them targeting the company, again, how convenient for the writers of the third. I wish bending the story of long etablished franchises was always an option!
again, that was in the third movie, that happened in its own dumb parallel universe disconnected from the first and second. I really don't care what the third claims is relevant, it's like Indy 4, I just pretend it doesn't exist because it shouldn't, since it completely shits on the two movies before it.
Your argument is all based in the fact that the 3rd movie story is bad, but you're just trying to prove that. Basically you're a purist of the 2 movies, and can't consider anything else.
Note that the time passed between Terminator 2 and Terminator 3 is less by 1 year(inside the story) than between Terminator 1 and Terminator 2.
Note that the Terminator 2 was made 7 years after the first movie. It wasn't something "planned" for continuation like you say. Yep, the 3rd movie took 5 years more than the second and it wasn't written by James Cameron, but that doesn't mean is badly written, nor that it doesn't make sense storywise.
Note that your they "knew" is not 100% percent certain, but only a conjecture, that was made by information taken from Skynet database. Note that Skynet knew the creator, but not the circumstances, at least that information they didn't had(I'm not that sure given that I didn't see the movie recently, but if I remember correctly they were pretty surprised when they noted that he had the arm and the chip).
My main point, that you disregard like it wasn't important, but the base of my entire case, is that they weren't omniscient so they didn't knew everything so the consequences to the future about what they did in the present wasn't known. That gives space for a logical expansion and it was what they used. Note that in the end of Terminator 2, the words of Sarah wasn't to be taken like Laws of the universe and in reality as an "really?", just like the end of the first movie was made in the same way. If they wanted for the Terminator 2 to be the last movie they certainly would show that the future was indeed changed.
P.S:
You mean "I'll be Bach", right?
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131226032657/bleach/en/images/8/8f/508Yhwach_alt.png
Yeah, that sounds fine.
You guys need to discuss the Alien thing much more. I still can't believe this really happened, goddamn it Kishi.
Otherwise both chapters were fun. Bleach largely for its ending though. Also I like that "Kenpachi is just Yachiru's imagination" theory a lot.
The Sage of the six path mother doesn't look like an Alien but like a goddess, I don't know her name nor what religion she is, but I believe it is from the Hinduism(but don't take my word, because I'm just guessing). She appeares in Kyouso Giga anime as well.
Well, I'm not that certain, probably I'm wrong :P, but Alien was only something that the stupid Naruto came up. Certainly the far away place she came is some other country, that I believe is the parallel of India, where she was a goddess.
The Sage of the six path mother doesn't look like an Alien but like a goddess, I don't know her name nor what religion she is, but I believe it is from the Hinduism(but don't take my word, because I'm just guessing). She appeares in Kyouso Giga anime as well.
Well, I'm not that certain, probably I'm wrong :P, but Alien was only something that the stupid Naruto came up. Certainly the far away place she came is some other country, that I believe is the parallel of India, where she was a goddess.
No, it's Kaguya, the princess of the moon in Japanese folklore. Hence why they referred to her potentially as a rabbit goddess.
Still stupid as balls though
So we have ninjas, zombies and now aliens. Now all that's missing from naruto is robots.
So we have ninjas, zombies and now aliens. Now all that's missing from naruto is robots.
About that…
Wait, is that really the case in the chapter? I don't read the chapter until Monday so I haven't witnessed for myself…
But yea, that's kind of a Kishi original.
To be fair, the Hashirama/Madara reincarnation hasn't been confirmed, and, of course, there have been other Idra/Ashura parallels that lived at the same time Naruto and Sasuke did.
Still, it's a fair assumption.
It all comes down to that Tobito I believe explained that the sage had two sons and one son basically founded the uchiha clan and had something that was like the sharingan that is now retconned to actually being the sharingan, and the other son advocated peace or some BS like that and eventually founded the senju clan, so if Madara and Hashirama aren't those two then, well, whatever.
I thought you guys were joking but nope, suddenly it's aliens. Can we go back to Guy beating up Madara?
Your argument is all based in the fact that the 3rd movie story is bad, but you're just trying to prove that. Basically you're a purist of the 2 movies, and can't consider anything else.
no, I gave you several reasons, which you are hand-waving away with "b-b-but this and that is a possibility", while I base everything I know on the actual movies. The ones that came first with a reasonable difference of production time between them, especially considering how much more budget Terminator 2 had, two movies that actually directly connect to each other.
Note that the time passed between Terminator 2 and Terminator 3 is less by 1 year(inside the story) than between Terminator 1 and Terminator 2.
that means absolutely nothing, the third still doesn't build up on anything except the concept of evil machines in the future, except some made-up love interest that was never hinted at in the second movie.
Note that the Terminator 2 was made 7 years after the first movie. It wasn't something "planned" for continuation like you say. Yep, the 3rd movie took 5 years more than the second and it wasn't written by James Cameron, but that doesn't mean it badly written, nor that it doesn't make sense storywise.
So, you say the creator of the franchise doesn't have a say in what is meant as a true and genuine continuation of his franchise as opposed to an offensively obvious cash-in. Somehow saying Terminator 2, which involves the people who created the goddamn franchise, has less weight than some random asshole trying to revive the franchise after twelve years.
Also we are not talking about the movie being bad, the original core of the discussion was theme betrayal, which I went into great detail to explain and you, again, hand-waved away as if it doesn't matter at all who is involved in the movie, especially the writers. If you want me to describe why the third one sucks in general, even ignoring the first two movies…well, I just hope you have a couple of hours, because it was shit movie and I could go into great detail why.
Note that your they "knew" is not 100% percent certain, but only a conjecture, that was made by information taken from Skynet database. Note that Skynet knew the creator, but not the circumstances, at least that information they didn't had(I'm not that sure given that I didn't see the movie recently, but if I remember correctly they were pretty surprised when they noted that he had the arm and the chip).
yes, Sarah never knew, but she always suspected because everyone kept quiet about the stuff found in the factory. She had every reason to be suspicious.
It doesn't matter what the circumstances of the second movie were to skynet, it knew who its creator was, that's what mattered. And yes, my 100% "knew" is definitely certain because the fucking movie said so. This isn't some incredibly smart franchise that was out to trick you from the first movie out just to confuse you nineteen years later, and if you truly think so, you are straight up lying to yourself. You act like the first two movies leave much from for wild fan theories, while that simply isn't true. They are two perfectly self-contained movies that work out well when watching together, the 3rd doesn't.
I mean yes, the time travel stuff is downright stupid, but so was it in Back to the future, these things almost never make sense. But at least the first two movies created a case that worked out in the movies internal logic, unlike the third.
My main point, that you disregard like it wasn't important, but the base of my entire case, is that they weren't omniscient so they didn't knew everything so the consequences to the future about what they did in the present wasn't known. That gives space for a logical expansion and it was what they used. Note that in the end of Terminator 2, the words of Sarah wasn't to be taken like Laws of the universe and in reality as an "really?", just like the end of the first movie was made in the same way. If they wanted for the Terminator 2 to be the last movie they certainly would show that the future was indeed changed
yes, there always was a tiny chance, let's say 1% that skynet would somehow find a way, but does it make sense? No, it doesn't
go on, explain to me how something as specific as Skynet, that developed a consciousness and had an agenda, just happened to develop the exact same thoughts and machines as the first one
what about the fact that Skynet itself believes it can change the future, with killing his nemesis while still being a child?
There are books where the authors dies and other continue his story and it keeps to be really good and making a lot of sense.
yes, and this one isn't, which is why its universally despised by movie fans and fans of the franchise.
I don't know what the creators of the franchise said about the third movie, but if they wanted a legit continuation of the story, they would've done so themselves, but they didn't. What does this tell you? When the guy, who made the first two movies, says no to the third and sells the franchise rights to some unknown director. Obviously, in 03, Cameron didn't care anymore and was just glad that he could get some royalties, number 364 why the third is such an painfully obvious cash-in.
Edit: or you could just look at number 1 in this article; http://www.cracked.com/article_17390_5-reasons-terminator-franchise-makes-no-goddamn-sense_p2.html
Naruto and Bleach IV - Rise of the Alien Ninjas
To be fair, the Hashirama/Madara reincarnation hasn't been confirmed, and, of course, there have been other Idra/Ashura parallels that lived at the same time Naruto and Sasuke did.
What's abundantly clear is that Kishi's decided to address his repetitive and lackluster storytelling by explaining it away as reincarnations.
Just wait till this arc in Naruto finishes and everyone is all happy and united.
But then the space rabbits come and the real shit is about to get on. They'll want to conquer the civilization they helped to create but ninjas will fight back for their independence.
I think you're onto something there.
Turns out this war is only the halfway point of the manga.
lol. you guys weren't kidding about the aliens.
Oh hey guys, look at the powerful lesson that Naruto taught Neji in Part 1!
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/198/3
I'm sorry that you're dead now Neji but if you would have just lived a few more chapters you woould have learned that if someone's chakra is reincarnated inside of you and you're the Child of Prophecy, your destiny can be pretty much determined by someone else. Maybe it's good you died (though anticlimactically) so you wouldn't be around for that final nail in the coffin of the "hard work will get you where you are" theme.
The worst part is Kishi tried to defend that theme while simultaneously giving Naruto another thing showing him he's just destined to do all of this.
Oh hey guys, look at the powerful lesson that Naruto taught Neji in Part 1!
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/198/3
I'm sorry that you're dead now Neji but if you would have just lived a few more chapters you woould have learned that if someone's chakra is reincarnated inside of you and you're the Child of Prophecy, your destiny can be pretty much determined by someone else. Maybe it's good you died (though anticlimactically) so you wouldn't be around for that final nail in the coffin of the "hard work will get you where you are" theme.
The worst part is Kishi tried to defend that theme while simultaneously giving Naruto another thing showing him he's just destined to do all of this.
It not worst than what Ichigo taught Kenpachi.