Code Geass!

Nobodyman

NO!! That's not what I EVEN SAID!!!

Well, if you wanna talk about your "show" (what, do you work in the television industry or something?) I suggest taking it to the creativity subforum.

At any rate, you seem to continue to misunderstand our problems with Code Geass. I, personally, am open to radical and experimental stories (again, not that Code Geass was a radical or innovative show), but that alone doesn't make a story good. What matters is the execution.

Now, look dude, you invited this discussion. You asked if there was anyone who didn't like Code Geass and we've given you our reasons. In return, you've replied with these weird catchalls about it just being our personal preference or that if we didn't like the show we just didn't get it. Now, if you don't agree with our reasons for not liking the show, fine, but this isn't an exact science. Yes, we could spend days picking apart the technical problems with it, but mainly the show just failed to connect with us (or at least the 2nd season did).

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@ShinigamiKing:

In case you guys thought I was talking about Code Geass being radical and different. Chances are you are talking about what will make the criticisms similar if CG isn't radical and wild and different.

I'm saying that the same reason why you guys bashing on Code Geass is similar to the show I'm working on. Not that Code Geass is different. It's just that you guys kind of like to question the logic of things and say "i would have preferred this" "or do this" or "this is just dumb and stupid" rather than

All right, yeah, if this is all about criticisms of your show, then I have a few suggestions:

-If you have an editor, listen to them, but also know when to put your foot down
-Never take specific advice or suggestions from your fans
-Of course people are going to question the logic of your story! Do the character behave in a way that makes sense? Do the events of the story make sense? A story has to be logical, or at least adhere to its own internal logic.
-Don't dismiss other people if they don't like your idea, claiming that your idea is "too radical" for them. That's just loser talk.
-Criticism is part of being an artist. Get used to it. Avatar is the highest grossing film of all time and it gets criticized up the wahzoo (though I'm sure that pales in comparison to $6 billion)
-All that being said, you don't have to listen to a damn word of what I just said. I'm just some anonymous guy on the Internet.

Sander

Code Geass R2 has a scene where there are two characters standing in the hall and one of them just snaps his fingers and a machinegun(completely stiff machinegun,the one that doesn't aim around) randomely comes out of a wall exactly behind the other character and shoots her back.

The first character doesn't even get grazed,even though he is standing directly in the line of fire,and,finally,the victim character somehow survives.

Purple Hermit

I mean, Bleach is thought of as too radical by its fans for the general public. So it's your story, you can build it however you want regardless of whatever people say. But that won't stop people from criticizing it, and there may be some valuable diamonds in the rough.

And yeah! Of course we prefer this or that. Or that we think that things are dumb or stupid. In the same way that we can say that things are cool or well written, some things aren't going to be polished. That's just how things work, otherwise we'd have a scientific checklist to determine narrative adequacy. Artists aren't infallible, and not everything can be excused by saying "well this is what we have to settle for."

I personally enjoy unique things and premises, but its core or foundation must be strong so that everything else can stand on it.

Skykin

I'm in the vast minority when it comes to my opinion of Code Geass as I find the series rather bad. In the end I dropped the series at the massacre part. The reason was I found the main Character to be a arrogant and whiny little bitch. He crossed the line when he used a Britannia princess to kill innocent people while at the same time promoting "justice".

ShinigamiKing

@Skykin:

I'm in the vast minority when it comes to my opinion of Code Geass as I find the series rather bad. In the end I dropped the series at the massacre part. The reason was I found the main Character to be a arrogant and whiny little bitch. He crossed the line when he used a Britannia princess to kill innocent people while at the same time promoting "justice".

So you want every character to be some badass dude who doesn't complain? I hope you don't think Lelouch is a bad character just because you don't like his personality.

He crossed the line when he used a Britannia princess to kill innocent people while at the same time promoting "justice".

His Geass went out of control. He didn't want to do it. But he had to play along with the results.

Skykin

@ShinigamiKing:

So you want every character to be some badass dude who doesn't complain? I hope you don't think Lelouch is a bad character just because you don't like his personality.

His Geass went out of control. He didn't want to do it. But he had to play along with the results.

I don't think he is a bad character, just don't like his character traits.

Really? Its been years since i've seen the series, so i guess for whatever reason I remembered the scene differently. Still doesn't change the fact that the series is rather bad (IMHO).

x20a

@ShinigamiKing:

I thought you only gained immortality when the previous "C.C" died? No?

Also, the whole Ragnorok Connection thing wasn't confusing. What was confusing was Lelouch's counter decision and response. No future and all that,

No. You gain the code when you take it (kill) someone who has it. Charles killed VV and Lelouch killed Charles. The fact that Nunnally was able to see his memories after physically touching him is a key indication that he had a code and was therefore immortal. Lelouch could've also gotten it from CC, but didn't need to since he got it from Charles.

The Ragnarok shit was confusing because it came out of nowhere. There was no foreshadowing to it. Charles never indicated that he missed his wife and wanted to recreate a world where he could be with her. No one else mentioned that the king was pining for his dead wife. Even VV's appearance at the end of CG1 did nothing for it. Also the Knight of One (dude with future geass) didn't indicate anything until after the fact.

It was basically:
Lelouch: "Hey dad, I'm going to trap us both in this place… wherever we are."
Charles: "Well since you're here, let me tell you about a plan that I pulled out of my ass without any prior indication."

And then, yeah, how he beat it was just some shounen bull shit - Charles' plan must've been shit if his son could defeat it by just saying "no".

ShinigamiKing

@Skykin:

I don't think he is a bad character, just don't like his character traits.

But the point is that you want every main character to be some cool dude who never whines?

I'm not trying to insult you or be bitchy on this by the way. I'm just talking about this normally. If there's a thread based on stuff like this, I would be glad to discuss it there.