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    Battle of Trafalgar [Justified Theory]

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      Battle of Trafalgar Theory
      By MJM & Shino'sDad

      Before you read this extensive theory on the next few chapters of One Piece, please note that this theory contains many spoliers. In addition, note that any reference in quotations was provided by Wikipedia. I will link to the specific pages I have used. This theory has been supported, to an extent, with many facts relating to the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805.

      Marines = Britain
      Britain, at the time, was considered to be a world leader that had strong influence over the actions of the rest of the world. In addition, note that Britain has been known to have the strongest navy in the world.
      Doflamingo Family = Spain
      It is obvious that Dressrosa has many aspects of Spain. Spain has had an unusual lineage of kings and queens prior to and after the Battle of Trafalgar. This may be represented in the idea that Doflamingo has some sort of issue, regarding power, between him and his family.
      Law Hat Alliance = France
      Before the Napoleonic Era of France, France wasn't stable as a country. It had gone through the French Revolution which allowed for a new government. But this was still unstable until Napoleon came to power. Although this might be a stretch, you could say Law was the Napoleon to the Straw Hats' France.

      This whole theory is based on the assumptions that the above three parties are the equivalents of the three countries that participated in the Battle of Trafalgar. Some light background information on the Battle of Trafalgar, the Battle of Trafalgar was a part of the Napoleonic Wars. It involved the three aforementioned parties; specifically, Britain opposed the allied France and Spain. Now, claiming that Doflamingo and the Law Hats would become allies is a little far fetched, however the fact that Law had prior affiliation with Doflamingo could be a nod at the France & Spain Alliance. In real life, Spain and France have also had unusual relations due to a shared dynasty, which is something to be considered. Now into the theory itself.

      First, let's discuss the naval leaders of the three countries during the war and the three main characters present on Green Bit at the end of Chapter 712.

      Britain was led by Lord Horatio Nelson. The Marines are led by Admiral "Fujitora" Issho. It is important to note that Nelson had lost one arm and vision in one eye in battle. Fujitora has lost vision in both eyes, although one seems to be more open than the other, and has yet to reveal the arm that does not hold his weapon. (Note that this is the most significant of the parallels of the leaders).

      Spain was led by Don Federico Carlos Gravina y Nápoli. Donquixote Doflamingo is present on Greenbit. Interestingly, Gravina came from wealth and/or aristocracy but chose to join the Navy at a young age. Although Doflamingo has not been revealed to have joined the Marines, it is hinted that he comes from aristocracy or nobility. A parallel to Gravina leaving the aristocracy to join the Navy is found in the fact that Doflamingo has been shown to have been in less favorable conditions in his youth. In fact, Gravina was originally from Sicily and it can be assumed that Doflamingo might not have been from Dressorsa originally.

      France was led by Pierre-Charles Villeneuve. Trafalgar Law is present on Greenbit. Villeneuve came from aristocracy but favored the French Rebellion. We do not have much information on Law's past, however it can be assumed his childhood was in better conditions than most. This is due to him being shown to be in better clothing than most child versions of other characters.

      Although the French and Spanish were in an alliance, Law and Doflamingo are portrayed to be in opposition of one another. This may be justified by their mysterious past affiliation. Fujitora appears to be angered over the fact that Doflamingo used his powers in such a manner for such a gain. He also appears to have intentions of opposing Law's actions as well.

      The theory itself is relatively simple, however it can be expanded upon several times. I will use Levels to determine the plausibility of that particular extent of the theory. Note that most of the following is supported with facts from the Battle of Trafalgar afterwards.

      LEVEL 1
      Fujitora and the Marines overpower both Doflamingo and Law.

      LEVEL 2
      Doflamingo manages to escape, with Caesar. Law gets captured by the Marines.

      LEVEL 3
      Doflamingo and Caesar, after escaping, meet with the Straw Hats, who have also made there way out of harm.

      LEVEL 4
      After Law is taken back to the World Government/Marines, he is released due to his Shichibukai status.

      LEVEL 5
      During the battle, Fujitora is mortally wounded or wounded.

      Now, to justify this theory, and its components, I will call upon the events of the Battle of Trafalgar. Each level of the theory will be justified in a similar fashion.

      LEVEL 1
      Britain defeated France and Spain in this battle. "The British victory spectacularly confirmed the naval supremacy that Britain had established during the previous century and was achieved in part through Nelson's departure from the prevailing naval tactical orthodoxy…" (Wikipedia)

      Fujitora wished to uphold the Marines' "supremacy" and pride over the previous years, which was already hurt by the Whitebeard War. Also, he departed from orthodox strategies by attacking allies of the World Government/Marines.

      It is important to note that, "During the battle Gravina, in his flagship Principe de Asturias, found himself attacked by three British ships at once. " (Wikipedia) Fujitora requested for 3 Marine ships to come to Dressrosa/Greenbit.

      LEVEL 2
      "Spanish Admiral Federico Gravina escaped with the remnant of the fleet…" (Wikipedia)

      "The commander of the joint French and Spanish forces, Admiral Villeneuve, was captured…" (Wikipedia)

      LEVEL 3
      "At about half past three in the afternoon Gravina's left arm was shattered by grapeshot, and seeing a looming defeat, he managed to gather ten ships around his flagship and fell back to Cadiz under tow." (Wikipedia)

      The Straw Hats, including Caeser, may be representative of the ten ships Gravina gathered.

      LEVEL 4
      "The British sent Villeneuve to England but released him on parole…" (Wikipedia)

      LEVEL 5
      "Shortly after one o'clock, Hardy realised that Nelson was not by his side. He turned to see Nelson kneeling on the deck, supporting himself with his hand, before falling onto his side… ...He had been hit by a marksman..." (Wikipedia)

      Usopp anyone?

      Now, although much of the theory seems ridiculous, it was only brought up because of the historical evidence that is present to support such a theory. It is also possible that, despite the aforementioned attributes of France and Spain, the role of Law and Doflamingo in this theory can be switched. This is because, it makes more sense, within the context of the story, for Law to meet up with the Straw Hats and Caesar while Doflamingo is captured and released.

      This is all theory, take it how you will. Intentional or not, it was fun to dig through history and relate it to One Piece. We thank you for your time.

      -MJM & Shino'sDad

      tl;dr This battle is basically the Battle of Trafalgar. Oda knows history. Oda is a genius.

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        Nice read, and there are definitely a lot of parallels between that conflict and what's happening in this arc, I woudn't be surprised if it played out in a similar fashion to the Battle of Trafalagar now.

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          Thanks for your time to come up with this ridiculous claim of a theory. So Law is Napoleon? Stop hyping him ffs!

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            Awesome find, now we just wait to see if the story unfolds as you predicted.

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              Nice read, no matter if it will be true or not.
              I seriously doubt that Fujitora, just introduced, and a brute force will be wounded.
              Maybe what you found is a nice premise but the story will unfold in a different way.

              It must be noted that the Tournament will keep Luffy busy for a good while, Franky is away with the Toy Soldier…and what's happening on Sunny?

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                Very interesting. But it would suck if your theory turned out to be just one big coincidence, eh? I like it though. Good read.

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                  I agree with everybody. It was a good and interesting read, but I'm not sure if it will happen or not.
                  Has anything aside from the characters had an overlap with the battle of Trafalgar 'till now? I'd guess not since the fight hasn't started yet, but I meant something with the events that led up to it.
                  It would be interesting to see these things happen, knowing Oda there might definitely be a flair of a real life battle in Dressrosa.

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                    I can buy into this theory. Oda's drawn from history before, so I'll be checking back to see how closely the upcoming fight follows this.

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                      No, we're not convinced that it will unfold this way. It's just the possibility that's there. We just thought it was cool that all of this actually "added up" more or less. Most theories never pan out, and this one is no exception. It just seemed that there were so many parallels that this could be more than just coincidence. Although I do agree, it will most likely be a premise rather than an exact outcome.

                      @Dellinger:

                      Thanks for your time to come up with this ridiculous claim of a theory. So Law is Napoleon? Stop hyping him ffs!

                      At least this claim was supported with details from history. Law wouldn't be Napoleon himself, it's just the concept that the Straw Hats were joined by Law is similar to Napoleon gaining power in France.

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                        LEVEL 1
                        Fujitora and the Marines overpower both Doflamingo and Law.

                        LEVEL 2
                        Doflamingo manages to escape, with Caesar. Law gets captured by the Marines.

                        LEVEL 3
                        Doflamingo and Caesar, after escaping, meet with the Straw Hats, who have also made there way out of harm.

                        LEVEL 4
                        After Law is taken back to the World Government/Marines, he is released due to his Shichibukai status.

                        LEVEL 5
                        During the battle, Fujitora is mortally wounded or wounded.

                        Yeah, nice try but no donut for you. Fujitora can't fight DoFlamingo because he is still a shichibukai, as for Law he has an alliance with the crew that openly declared war against the WG.

                        Also what happens when DoFla meets the SH's?

                        Law being captured and then released? Then why bother capturing him at all?
                        And Fuji gets mortally wounded? By whom? Law? He isn't that stong and we haven't seen him wounding anyone so far. DD? He can't be touched by Fuji so why fight him? He is more politically powerful then most admirals so I'm sure he'll get CC back from the marines (if they get CC).

                        Against facts there are no arguments.

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                          @IlanZ:

                          LEVEL 1

                          Fujitora and the Marines overpower both Doflamingo and Law.
                          LEVEL 2
                          Doflamingo manages to escape, with Caesar. Law gets captured by the Marines.
                          LEVEL 3
                          Doflamingo and Caesar, after escaping, meet with the Straw Hats, who have also made there way out of harm.
                          LEVEL 4
                          After Law is taken back to the World Government/Marines, he is released due to his Shichibukai status.
                          LEVEL 5
                          During the battle, Fujitora is mortally wounded or wounded.

                          Replacing Doflamingo with Law in your theories and I believe like you said we have a sound theory on what the events on Dressrosa will play out like.

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                            Yeah, nice try but no donut for you. Fujitora can't fight DoFlamingo because he is still a shichibukai, as for Law he has an alliance with the crew that openly declared war against the WG.

                            Also what happens when DoFla meets the SH's?

                            Law being captured and then released? Then why bother capturing him at all?
                            And Fuji gets mortally wounded? By whom? Law? He isn't that stong and we haven't seen him wounding anyone so far. DD? He can't be touched by Fuji so why fight him? He is more politically powerful then most admirals so I'm sure he'll get CC back from the marines (if they get CC).

                            Does Fujitora seem like the person who'd let Doflamingo's actions go unpunished? He seemed fairly concerned over the fake report.

                            Most of these questions are beyond the scope of the theory. The theory was brought up because of the similarities it shares with the actual events of the Battle of Trafalgar. You act as if we made this up on the spot.

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                              Does Fujitora seem like the person who'd let Doflamingo's actions go unpunished? He seemed fairly concerned over the fake report.

                              Well, if DD is supposedly a tenryubito, why would Fujitora hurt the person he's supposed to protect?

                              Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!

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                                @MJM:

                                Does Fujitora seem like the person who'd let Doflamingo's actions go unpunished? He seemed fairly concerned over the fake report.

                                Most of these questions are beyond the scope of the theory. The theory was brought up because of the similarities it shares with the actual events of the Battle of Trafalgar. You act as if we made this up on the spot.

                                I'm not trying to say you made something up, I'm just saying that it makes no sense. Also Fujitora can't do anything to DD because of his status, so unless he wants some serious trouble he'll stay out of DD's way. Nobody is more pissed then Akainu but what can they do? They can't go against WG/Tenryuubito and DD has some deep connections with them, so unless he wants to jeopardize his position in the marines he just can't do anything.

                                And my questions are out of the theory scope? You just said "this will happen" and I've shown in the form of questions that it doesn't makes sense for that to happen.

                                Once again, nice try with the history parallel and all but it just doesn't add up.

                                Against facts there are no arguments.

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                                  Very interesting. Regardless if it will play out that way or not, i personally don't want it to. If it did it would affect and delay the overall plan.

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                                    @IlanZ:

                                    I'm not trying to say you made something up, I'm just saying that it makes no sense. Also Fujitora can't do anything to DD because of his status, so unless he wants some serious trouble he'll stay out of DD's way. Nobody is more pissed then Akainu but what can they do? They can't go against WG/Tenryuubito and DD has some deep connections with them, so unless he wants to jeopardize his position in the marines he just can't do anything.

                                    And my questions are out of the theory scope? You just said "this will happen" and I've shown in the form of questions that it doesn't makes sense for that to happen.

                                    Once again, nice try with the history parallel and all but it just doesn't add up.

                                    While it is true Marine officers, especially Admirals, are to abide by World Government and Marine rules, we know that this isn't always the case. We have seen Marines disobey, challenge, and/or disagree with orders and rules given in the past. Smoker and Aokiji come to mind, the latter of which was an Admiral. We know nothing of Fujitora. He could just be the type who dislikes wrong of any kind, no matter which side performed the action "blind justice". I'm completely aware of the WG and Tenryubito situation, but all I'm saying is, some Marines have their own sense of justice.

                                    Although it appears that I am defending this theory to a great extent, I am not completely attached to it. It was just something cool that was discovered. It's just that you keep saying "WG/Tenryubito" protects Doflamingo, and while that is true, we have not seen all of Fujitora's character. He appeared to be pretty alarmed at Doflamingo's actions, and not in a "eh, it's okay"-type manner.

                                    Note that that the higher the level, the less likely it is to happen. That was stated from the get-go. Again, the only reason why any of this was brought up was because it seemed that Oda was using the Battle of Trafalgar as a reference. We just dug deeper and and saw what parallels we could find, which was fun to do. For example, do I think Fujitora will get shot? No, but there is historical evidence that says, assuming Oda follows the battle to a certain extent, it happened.

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                                      @MJM:

                                      Marines = Britain

                                      Britain, at the time, was considered to be a world leader that had strong influence over the actions of the rest of the world. In addition, note that Britain has been known to have the strongest navy in the world.

                                      Not really. That came later in the century, and they were never anything like a WG, even at the height of the empire they had major competition. As for the early 1800's Britain had a few colonial holdings and was pushed up in a semi-isolated corner of Europe while Napoleon held court kicking every ass he could in the mainland. Strong and mighty, yes. World power. No. If anything they were the underdog in that battle, with only their naval reputation to hold off a hungry Napoleon who had basically invaded and forced his will on damn near everything else on the continent that wasn't either Scandinavian, Russian or Ottoman. Or British of course.

                                      Doflamingo Family = Spain

                                      It is obvious that Dressrosa has many aspects of Spain. Spain has had an unusual lineage of kings and queens prior to and after the Battle of Trafalgar. This may be represented in the idea that Doflamingo has some sort of issue, regarding power, between him and his family.

                                      So you don't have any idea what role Spain had to play in the Napoleonic wars. Because

                                      Law Hat Alliance = France

                                      Before the Napoleonic Era of France, France wasn't stable as a country. It had gone through the French Revolution which allowed for a new government. But this was still unstable until Napoleon came to power. Although this might be a stretch, you could say Law was the Napoleon to the Straw Hats' France.

                                      That is a completely, and I don't mean that hyperbolically, completely nonseniscal metaphor. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
                                      And that's not even getting into the fact that you're inadvertently suggesting that the Law-Strawhat alliance are allies with Doflamingo. Because you know, Spain and France were.

                                      This whole theory is based on the assumptions that the above three parties are the equivalents of the three countries that participated in the Battle of Trafalgar. Some light background information on the Battle of Trafalgar, the Battle of Trafalgar was a part of the Napoleonic Wars. It involved the three aforementioned parties; specifically, Britain opposed the allied France and Spain.

                                      France and Spain were trying to quash Britain out of the European equation.

                                      Now, claiming that Doflamingo and the Law Hats would become allies is a little far fetched, however the fact that Law had prior affiliation with Doflamingo could be a nod at the France & Spain Alliance. In real life, Spain and France have also had unusual relations due to a shared dynasty, which is something to be considered. Now into the theory itself.

                                      Yeah that dynasty had been executed and chased out of France by the revolution, and was an enemy of Napoleon (and as soon he was defeated they came back to power in France). Also that dynasty had essentially been forced onto Spain by France in only the previous century after Spain's former (Austrian originated) dynasty literally inbreeded itself to death. I'm not seeing the connection!

                                      Britain was led by Lord Horatio Nelson. The Marines are led by Admiral "Fujitora" Issho. It is important to note that Nelson had lost one arm and vision in one eye in battle. Fujitora has lost vision in both eyes, although one seems to be more open than the other,

                                      lolll blindness doesn't mean your eyes are forced closed! Blind eyes are USUALLY open. But the eye doesn't work!

                                      Although the French and Spanish were in an alliance, Law and Doflamingo are portrayed to be in opposition of one another. This may be justified by their mysterious past affiliation.

                                      Law was a subordinate and than he wasn't.

                                      LEVEL 5
                                      During the battle, Fujitora is mortally wounded or wounded.

                                      This is not happening.

                                      The Straw Hats, including Caeser, may be representative of the ten ships Gravina gathered.

                                      Nope.

                                      Usopp anyone?

                                      Usopp is not going to mortally wound Fujitora.

                                      Now, although much of the theory seems ridiculous, it was only brought up because of the historical evidence that is present to support such a theory.

                                      There is not any historical evidence to support this theory.

                                      It is also possible that, despite the aforementioned attributes of France and Spain, the role of Law and Doflamingo in this theory can be switched. This is because, it makes more sense, within the context of the story, for Law to meet up with the Straw Hats and Caesar while Doflamingo is captured and released.

                                      You haven't explained the problem with how the hell Doflamingo and the Strawhat/Law alliance are not in any way shape or form allies against Fujitora.

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                                      @MJM:

                                      At least this claim was supported with details from history. Law wouldn't be Napoleon himself, it's just the concept that the Straw Hats were joined by Law is similar to Napoleon gaining power in France.

                                      No, no no no. Most of what you strung together is just random, but this, this part, literally makes no sense at all. This is not even remotely a working metaphor in any way.

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                                        Disregard Wikipedia, Monkey King knows all.

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                                          Disregard Wikipedia, Monkey King knows all.

                                          I knew he was gonna come in here and completely crush the theory. The guy knows his stuff, that's for sure.

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                                            I know History and Geography and Creative Writing. If we were talking math or engineering I would be the most retarded person on these forums.

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                                              @MJM:

                                              While it is true Marine officers, especially Admirals, are to abide by World Government and Marine rules, we know that this isn't always the case. We have seen Marines disobey, challenge, and/or disagree with orders and rules given in the past. Smoker and Aokiji come to mind, the latter of which was an Admiral. We know nothing of Fujitora. He could just be the type who dislikes wrong of any kind, no matter which side performed the action "blind justice". I'm completely aware of the WG and Tenryubito situation, but all I'm saying is, some Marines have their own sense of justice.

                                              Although it appears that I am defending this theory to a great extent, I am not completely attached to it. It was just something cool that was discovered. It's just that you keep saying "WG/Tenryubito" protects Doflamingo, and while that is true, we have not seen all of Fujitora's character. He appeared to be pretty alarmed at Doflamingo's actions, and not in a "eh, it's okay"-type manner.

                                              Note that that the higher the level, the less likely it is to happen. That was stated from the get-go. Again, the only reason why any of this was brought up was because it seemed that Oda was using the Battle of Trafalgar as a reference. We just dug deeper and and saw what parallels we could find, which was fun to do. For example, do I think Fujitora will get shot? No, but there is historical evidence that says, assuming Oda follows the battle to a certain extent, it happened.

                                              My point still is the same, do you believe a newly appointed admiral is going to jeopardize his career/life by going against shichibukai/WG/tenryuubito? Of course he got mad by DD's trick, who wouldn't? But still there is nothing he can do, unless he wants to lose his position and see all he did go to shit because his actions will be considered illegal. Do you still think Fuji will just say fuck it let's do it my way? Do you think Oda will introduce an admiral to have him drop his position a few chapters later?

                                              Against facts there are no arguments.

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                                                Wow, this is cool. I doubt it'll follow this exactly though. Still, good job. It's clear you put a lot of effort into it.

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                                                History repeats itself: Somewhere Roger, Garp, and Whitebeard are smiling.

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                                                  My point still is the same, do you believe a newly appointed admiral is going to jeopardize his career/life by going against shichibukai/WG/tenryuubito? Of course he got mad by DD's trick, who wouldn't? But still there is nothing he can do, unless he wants to lose his position and see all he did go to shit because his actions will be considered illegal. Do you still think Fuji will just say fuck it let's do it my way?

                                                  That's what Garp would do

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                                                    wow, this is cool. I doubt it'll follow this exactly though. Still, good job. It's clear you put a lot of effort into it.

                                                    irish user found, irish user found, irish user found

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                                                      Didn't expect anyone to come in here and dissect the fun we were having…

                                                      Britain was not compared to the WG, rather the Marines. World power may have been the wrong choice of words but the parallel was drawn from them having the strongest Navy. The blind part, we were aware of, but were just trying to find a parallel in him only being blind in one eye. The France/Spanish alliance part, it's true what you said but we were just trying to find some sort of parallel. We kinda disregarded some of that to account for the story line. Being a subordinate still affiliates you with a person. I'm glad you don't think the Level 5 part of the theory won't happen since it was stated to be the least likely part of the theory. Pretty much, the theory itself isn't true to every single aspect of the war, however there were similarities and we drew upon those. There was no explanation for the France/Spain alliance being a parallel to LawHat/Doflamingo because there was no such parallel. We said, "Now, claiming that Doflamingo and the Law Hats would become allies is a little far fetched, however the fact that Law had prior affiliation with Doflamingo could be a nod at the France & Spain Alliance." We acknowledged that there couldn't be such an alliance but we accounted for that with their past affiliation. Is it exact with the happenings of the war? No, but the story line was accounted for. It's a theory, you didn't disprove it, rather corrected my European history. It is a big conclusion to make, however you either see the similarities or you don't. Though, I commend you for your knowledge of European history.

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                                                      My point still is the same, do you believe a newly appointed admiral is going to jeopardize his career/life by going against shichibukai/WG/tenryuubito? Of course he got mad by DD's trick, who wouldn't? But still there is nothing he can do, unless he wants to lose his position and see all he did go to shit because his actions will be considered illegal. Do you still think Fuji will just say fuck it let's do it my way? Do you think Oda will introduce an admiral to have him drop his position a few chapters later?

                                                      We don't know exactly how recent Fujitora is. It's not like he was appointed just yesterday, I'm sure he knows the ropes and consequences. Also, he might go through with his actions. You missed the point that many people have their own sense of justice in the Marines and that they feel that whatever they believe is right. What's to say Fujitora doesn't have his own sense of justice?

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                                                        Didn't expect anyone to come in here and dissect the fun we were having…

                                                        So do you not read this forum lol.

                                                        Britain was not compared to the WG, rather the Marines.

                                                        So the army of the world government then.

                                                        World power may have been the wrong choice of words but the parallel was drawn from them having the strongest Navy.

                                                        Yeah except One Piece is near literally Waterworld, and the 1800's were definitely not. The British didn't bring down Napoleon, they just kept him from conquering them.
                                                        LAND and too damn much of it (cough Russia cough) did him in.
                                                        The comparison has never really made sense. In One Piece the navy IS the army. Because there's almost nothing but water and microscopic islands lol. Red Line aside.

                                                        The blind part, we were aware of, but were just trying to find a parallel in him only being blind in one eye.

                                                        But see that makes the connection weak.

                                                        The France/Spanish alliance part, it's true what you said but we were just trying to find some sort of parallel. We kinda disregarded some of that to account for the story line.

                                                        If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit though.

                                                        Being a subordinate still affiliates you with a person.

                                                        Not in the way you're comparing them to.
                                                        France was absolutely not in any way shape or form subordinate to Spain. Other way around entirely, the Bourbons installed their bloodline in Spain, than when Napoleon came to power he basically strongarmed Spain into an alliance. And later? He straight invaded the place and installed his brother on the throne when he was fed up with the Spanish Bourbons. He attacked Portugal too.
                                                        This is kind of an important historical event, because it's basically why all those countries in Central and South America. Like 90% of them? Exist. Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, Peru etc etc etc. None would have gone independent if Mama Spain and Mama Portugal hadn't suddenly been fucked up by Monsieur Napoleon.
                                                        Point being, France is the boss to Spain in this period.
                                                        So how the heck is Law France, and Doflamingo Spain. It should be completely the other way around if anything. Not that I'm suggesting that either.

                                                        I'm glad you don't think the Level 5 part of the theory won't happen since it was stated to be the least likely part of the theory. Pretty much, the theory itself isn't true to every single aspect of the war, however there were similarities and we drew upon those.

                                                        You can't ignore what doesn't work, and claim because of the rest of it, that it does. These aren't small points I'm bringing up here.

                                                        There was no explanation for the France/Spain alliance being a parallel to LawHat/Doflamingo because there was no such parallel.

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                                                        We said, "Now, claiming that Doflamingo and the Law Hats would become allies is a little far fetched, however the fact that Law had prior affiliation with Doflamingo could be a nod at the France & Spain Alliance." We acknowledged that there couldn't be such an alliance but we accounted for that with their past affiliation. Is it exact with the happenings of the war? No, but the story line was accounted for.

                                                        No you DIDN'T account for it. That's the problem. You completely ignored a really huge part of the war, you know…the sides? You can't ignore that, it's ridiculous.
                                                        This is what bad theory making is all about. If your trying to see if the pieces fit...you can't ignore when they don't.

                                                        It's a theory, you didn't disprove it, rather corrected my European history. It is a big conclusion to make, however you either see the similarities or you don't. Though, I commend you for your knowledge of European history.

                                                        I don't have to disprove what has zero grounding anyway.

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                                                          Oda obviously takes inspiration from history by naming his characters and their roles, but does he go any further than that? I cannot recall too many instances where he actually drawn from actual events in history and molded it to fit into his own narrative. I honestly don't think Oda tries to make any parallels in actual historical occurrences so if any of this were to happen, it would probably be coincidence. My bet is that this string of events wouldn't happen.

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                                                            Didn't expect anyone to come in here and dissect the fun we were having…

                                                            Britain was not compared to the WG, rather the Marines. World power may have been the wrong choice of words but the parallel was drawn from them having the strongest Navy. The blind part, we were aware of, but were just trying to find a parallel in him only being blind in one eye. The France/Spanish alliance part, it's true what you said but we were just trying to find some sort of parallel. We kinda disregarded some of that to account for the story line. Being a subordinate still affiliates you with a person. I'm glad you don't think the Level 5 part of the theory won't happen since it was stated to be the least likely part of the theory. Pretty much, the theory itself isn't true to every single aspect of the war, however there were similarities and we drew upon those. There was no explanation for the France/Spain alliance being a parallel to LawHat/Doflamingo because there was no such parallel. We said, "Now, claiming that Doflamingo and the Law Hats would become allies is a little far fetched, however the fact that Law had prior affiliation with Doflamingo could be a nod at the France & Spain Alliance." We acknowledged that there couldn't be such an alliance but we accounted for that with their past affiliation. Is it exact with the happenings of the war? No, but the story line was accounted for. It's a theory, you didn't disprove it, rather corrected my European history. It is a big conclusion to make, however you either see the similarities or you don't. Though, I commend you for your knowledge of European history.

                                                            We don't know exactly how recent Fujitora is. It's not like he was appointed just yesterday, I'm sure he knows the ropes and consequences. Also, he might go through with his actions. You missed the point that many people have their own sense of justice in the Marines and that they feel that whatever they believe is right. What's to say Fujitora doesn't have his own sense of justice?

                                                            1 - You can't expect not to have your theory be dissected, this is AP! lol

                                                            2 - Yes many marines have their own sense of justice, I'm not disregarding that. You're disregarding logic by having a new character, a new admiral (2 years tops) lose his rank and probably his life just to save a pirate or to take down someone who is clearly above him. I'm not even discussing your forced parallels with european history because of a name, I'm just saying that what you proposed does not make sense.

                                                            If all you have to keep it is Oda's unpredictability then I'm sorry to say be he isn't unpredictable. Blind justice doesn't mean being childish and irresponsible because you know someone is bad.

                                                            Against facts there are no arguments.

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                                                              Interesting theory nice read.

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                                                                irish user found, irish user found, irish user found

                                                                Umm, I don't know how to react to that….

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                                                                  Umm, I don't know how to react to that….

                                                                  We've never had an Irish user! As in, from Ireland! And it's always seemed really strange lol.

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                                                                    wow, it's interesting 🙂
                                                                    if Dofla from Italy.
                                                                    Dofla probably descendants of the Tenryuubito.
                                                                    Italy = Teryuubito

                                                                    This is "re de tutto" (Ray D. Tutto) ("king of everything" in Italian) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Baron_Munchausen
                                                                    The World Nobles is the king of everything in One Piece. lol XD

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                                                                      Oda obviously takes inspiration from history by naming his characters and their roles, but does he go any further than that? I cannot recall too many instances where he actually drawn from actual events in history and molded it to fit into his own narrative. I honestly don't think Oda tries to make any parallels in actual historical occurrences so if any of this were to happen, it would probably be coincidence. My bet is that this string of events wouldn't happen.

                                                                      The inspiration definitely goes beyond simply names and roles, so yes there are examples of him going further and using actual events, Fishman Island having some of the most glaring and recent examples. Mostly though it's just something like setting or a symbolic type of event rather than large events being paralleled. In the case of this thread, which tries to parallel an entire event, I think at best you'd get a few tips of the hat to what actually happened in history, maybe, but nothing more. To throw the OP a bone, this particular event is where Law got his name from, the event took place in Spain (Dressrosa), and involved three main forces.

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                                                                        We've never had an Irish user! As in, from Ireland! And it's always seemed really strange lol.

                                                                        Yeah, manga and anime isn't really that popular here lol. Well, I'm here to stay!

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                                                                          Yeah, manga and anime isn't really that popular here lol. Well, I'm here to stay!

                                                                          No you don't understand.
                                                                          We're an english language forum, so it goes without saying we're filled to the brim with Americans, with a heap of Brits (including North Irish), and lots of Canadians, and a few Aussies, and a Kiwi here and there.
                                                                          But beyond that, we've had people from ALL over the place. Tunisia, Libya, Kenya, Senegal, Vietnam, Pakistan, Iran, UAE, Turkey, Russia, Hungary, Cyprus, Bosnia, Poland, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Uruguay, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, India, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Croatia etc.

                                                                          All that we've seen BEFORE IRELAND lol.
                                                                          Tell me there isn't something crazy about that!

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                                                                            Hey! Don't forget about Brazil! We're here too!

                                                                            Against facts there are no arguments.

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                                                                              wow, it's interesting 🙂
                                                                              if Dofla from Italy.
                                                                              Dofla probably descendants of the Tenryuubito.
                                                                              Italy = Teryuubito

                                                                              Dofla's name is Spanish before it's Italian (yeah I know the two are close).
                                                                              I don't see how there's any connection with Italy (or Spain) from that.

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                                                                              This is "re de tutto" (Ray D. Tutto) ("king of everything" in Italian) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Baron_Munchausen
                                                                              The World Nobles is the king of everything in One Piece. lol XD

                                                                              But he's the King of the Moon in the movie.

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                                                                              Hey! Don't forget about Brazil! We're here too!

                                                                              Nothing surprising about that lol. I was trying to list stranger/smaller countries.

                                                                              It still holds that Ireland is one of only a few strongly English first language countries in the world, and we had none of them.

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                                                                                Fujitora obviously represents blind justice. He may attack Doflamingo anyway (or at the very least, not help Doflamingo attack Law), despite what the WG wants (because it's obvious Doflamingo is corrupt and "evil").

                                                                                A follower of blind justice is a lot like… Judge Dredd, or Samara from the Mass Effect video game series. If you're corrupt and evil, it doesn't matter what you serve as, your ass is going to be slammed.

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                                                                                  We've never had an Irish user! As in, from Ireland! And it's always seemed really strange lol.

                                                                                  There are lurkers you know.

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                                                                                    Would be pretty cool if it played out like this ignoring Fujitora being mortally wounded. This is way too early for an admiral to go down.

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                                                                                      Would be pretty cool if it played out like this ignoring Fujitora being mortally wounded. This is way too early for an admiral to go down.

                                                                                      Way to early? What are you talking about is way to early for an admiral to go down

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                                                                                        Way to early? What are you talking about is way to early for an admiral to go down

                                                                                        The theory mentions Admiral Fujitora being mortally wounded. Even if Issho isn't as powerful as Sakazuki/Kuzan/Borsalino, it's still pretty safe to say at this point he can wipe the floor with characters like Law/Luffy/Dofla and will very much be a player in the final battle. Unless Kaidou's first mate arrives or something, nobody in this arc should even come close to taking him out, or else the marine hype will be instantly deflated.

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                                                                                          The theory mentions Admiral Fujitora being mortally wounded. Even if Issho isn't as powerful as Sakazuki/Kuzan/Borsalino, it's still pretty safe to say at this point he can wipe the floor with characters like Law/Luffy/Dofla and will very much be a player in the final battle. Unless Kaidou's first mate arrives or something, nobody in this arc should even come close to taking him out, or else the marine hype will be instantly deflated.

                                                                                          What? Fujitora is an admiral, that doesn't mean that he cannot get wounded, Luffy MAY not be admiral level yet but is not like he will go down without dealing some blows in Fujitora and also there's Zoro who has been doing nothing but beating people up with no effort at all and getting so much hype, by your Logic Fujitora will sent everyone and anyone to Impel Down because he can't go down this early, which is not early at all and is way to OP for the main characters to handle, which by the way they are also going against a Yonkou and there's Luffy a guy who didn't get surprised once Fujitora displayed his power at the casino

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                                                                                            I think Law will escape successful but Ceasar will escape with Doflamingo too.

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                                                                                              And we see Fujitora is willing to attack Doflamingo if it's justified…

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                                                                                                And we see Fujitora is willing to attack Doflamingo if it's justified…

                                                                                                So are you just going to ignore me or what?

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                                                                                                  So are you just going to ignore me or what?

                                                                                                  I thought we were done?

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                                                                                                    What? Fujitora is an admiral, that doesn't mean that he cannot get wounded, Luffy MAY not be admiral level yet but is not like he will go down without dealing some blows in Fujitora and also there's Zoro who has been doing nothing but beating people up with no effort at all and getting so much hype, by your Logic Fujitora will sent everyone and anyone to Impel Down because he can't go down this early, which is not early at all and is way to OP for the main characters to handle, which by the way they are also going against a Yonkou and there's Luffy a guy who didn't get surprised once Fujitora displayed his power at the casino

                                                                                                    Wounded=/=mortally wounded. Mortally wounded means a character is incapitated to the point where they either almost die or are handicapped. How bout lets have Luffy/Law beat guys like Doflamingo/Diamante before forcing a top tier fighter to the brink of death. Zoro's opponents so far have been: A) a fodder fishman, B) a fodder dragon, and C) an ice harpy. I would've been shocked if Zoro didn't roflstomp those three. Even Franky has fought more impressive opponents than him. We haven't seen Zoro fight a high calibre New World threat, so if you think him showing up is going to make a difference against a marine admiral, who will likely be one of his final opponents notwithstanding, then you're seriously overrating him. Just because Luffy wasn't surprised by Issho's power doesn't make him on the same level. I mean he'd already seen what the likes of Whitebeard, Kuzan, and Borsalino could pull off, and the only one who's power level really shocked him was Kuzan back around the Skypeia arc. Do you think Luffy can even touch Whitebeard just because he wasn't "visibly impressed" with his power?

                                                                                                    Also, with regards to Impel Down. Luffy, Jimbe, Crocodile, and Ivankov turned and ran when they saw Magellan because they knew they couldn't win. Do you really think they'd fare better against a marine admiral?

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                                                                                                      Wounded=/=mortally wounded. Mortally wounded means a character is incapitated to the point where they either almost die or are handicapped.

                                                                                                      I never said that he will get mortally wounded but he'll definitely will get wounded in this arc

                                                                                                      How bout lets have Luffy/Law beat guys like Doflamingo/Diamante before forcing a top tier fighter to the brink of death.

                                                                                                      You already saw in this chapter whats going on, Fujitora is in DressRosa for the Shearts and not for DD himself plus DD is also on top of them, do you actually think they'll get capture by Fujitora just because he is an admiral and is so powerful?

                                                                                                      Zoro's opponents so far have been: A) a fodder fishman, B) a fodder dragon, and C) an ice harpy. I would've been shocked if Zoro didn't roflstomp those three. Even Franky has fought more impressive opponents than him. We haven't seen Zoro fight a high calibre New World threat, so if you think him showing up is going to make a difference against a marine admiral, who will likely be one of his final opponents notwithstanding, then you're seriously overrating him.

                                                                                                      Hell yeah he'll make a difference, Fishman island fodder but that Dragon and Monet wasn't Fodders at all, they were fodders to Zoro but I bet they can handle some of those NW pirates, overrating Zoro, a guy who trained under Mihawk and has been getting so much hype, the only reason I see for Oda hyping Zoro so much is just for this occasion, Law's Devil Fruit drain he's energy so he will have to let everything for the SHs to handle once he desire to move the fight to DressRosa

                                                                                                      Just look at the players that are gonna be involve in this madness and you'll see that there's no other way around, that admiral has to go down in this arc

                                                                                                      Luffy wasn't surprised by Issho's power doesn't make him on the same level. I mean he'd already seen what the likes of Whitebeard, Kuzan, and Borsalino could pull off, and the only one who's power level really shocked him was Kuzan back around the Skypeia arc. Do you think Luffy can even touch Whitebeard just because he wasn't "visibly impressed" with his power?

                                                                                                      Like I say may no be Admiral level but like you said He saw WB, Kuzan and borsalino's power, what make you think that he will be leaving his training If he wasn't sure that he could handle that type of opponents and there's Rayleigh, do you think Rayleigh would leave him alone If he wasn't sure that Luffy was ready to take on anyone in the NW and keep in mind that Rayleigh left 9 months before the meeting

                                                                                                      Also, with regards to Impel Down. Luffy, Jimbe, Crocodile, and Ivankov turned and ran when they saw Magellan because they knew they couldn't win. Do you really think they'd fare better against a marine admiral?

                                                                                                      It wasn't because they knew they couldn't win, it was because they had a much greater priority than fighting Magellan also Iva stopped to fight him in order to buy time, was she wounded once he got back? no, you'll making Magellan a super beast and hes not, He is strong yes but no to the degree you're making it sound

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                                                                                                        I never said that he will get mortally wounded but he'll definitely will get wounded in this arc

                                                                                                        Who said I was talking about you. This makes me question if you bothered to even read the OP. If you did, you'd realize I was talking about a minor detail in his theory that probably needs to be adjusted.

                                                                                                        You already saw in this chapter whats going on, Fujitora is in DressRosa for the Shearts and not for DD himself plus DD is also on top of them, do you actually think they'll get capture by Fujitora just because he is an admiral and is so powerful?

                                                                                                        Again, if you'd bothered to actually read the theory in the OP, you know, the topic of this thread, you wouldn't be going off on tangential points such as this.

                                                                                                        Hell yeah he'll make a difference, Fishman island fodder but that Dragon and Monet wasn't Fodders at all, they were fodders to Zoro but I bet they can handle some of those NW pirates, overrating Zoro, a guy who trained under Mihawk and has been getting so much hype, the only reason I see for Oda hyping Zoro so much is just for this occasion, Law's Devil Fruit drain he's energy so he will have to let everything for the SHs to handle once he desire to move the fight to DressRosa

                                                                                                        Just because he trained under Mihawk doesn't suddenly make him a Mihawk calibre fighter. Judging by Mihawk's feats at Marineford, it's pretty clear that he's a tier below the Admirals anyway. What feats did the Dragon and Monet show that would label them as "some of those New World fighters"? They were just in the New World, nothing they accomplished screamed "high calibre New World fighter". Bartolomeo took out a Vice Admiral, that's proof he's a high calibre fighter. Cavendish carries a legendary sword and held off a 500 million bounty pirate, that's indication he's a high calibre fighter. Monet and the Dragon? Err, I guess they scared Usopp? Zoro needs to take out someone like Bart/Cavendish. Even so, there is a substantial gap between a marine admiral and a "high calibre New World fighter", Curiel and Jimbe are without a shadow of a doubt elite fighters, yet both were instagibbed by Admiral Red Dog. Unless you feel that Zoro can fodderize Yonkou commanders and Shichibukai members, he's not going to be a match for Issho.

                                                                                                        Just look at the players that are gonna be involve in this madness and you'll see that there's no other way around, that admiral has to go down in this arc

                                                                                                        Oh my, where to start. Jesus Burgess is about as big a player as it gets, and he stands in the way of Luffy's goal as well. He's also a final opponent candidate for Sanji or Franky. Is Jesus Burgess going to go down in this arc? Your statement is completely off base and has no substantiation whatsoever. There are numerous scenarios that could play out, perhaps Sakazuki talks to the Gorosei and forces Issho to back out, perhaps a high ranking Kaidou pirate takes Issho out of the equation completely and the Strawhats get to avoid him, perhaps the dwarves find a way to trap the marines on the island preventing them from joining in on the fight in Dressrona. A writer of Oda's calibre could definitely come up with something none of us saw coming. The notion that there's no outcome but for Issho to be defeated shows incredible naivety, to put it nicely.

                                                                                                        Like I say may no be Admiral level but like you said He saw WB, Kuzan and borsalino's power, what make you think that he will be leaving his training If he wasn't sure that he could handle that type of opponents and there's Rayleigh, do you think Rayleigh would leave him alone If he wasn't sure that Luffy was ready to take on anyone in the NW and keep in mind that Rayleigh left 9 months before the meeting

                                                                                                        Rayleigh left because he felt he'd already taught Luffy all the basics and he could now hone his skills on his own. Nothing suggests that Luffy can handle an opponent of that calibre (and no defeating Zeto doesn't count considering he was a shell of his former self much like Shiki and movies aren't necessarily canon).

                                                                                                        It wasn't because they knew they couldn't win, it was because they had a much greater priority than fighting Magellan also Iva stopped to fight him in order to buy time, was she wounded once he got back? no, you'll making Magellan a super beast and hes not, He is strong yes but no to the degree you're making it sound

                                                                                                        Magellan had a clear win against Luffy/Ivankov (who by the way is a male), was literally unfazed by a single attack, and was overwhelming the breakout alliance until Jimbe finally summoned the sharks to get the ship to safety. In any case, this discussion isn't about Magellan, it's about if Issho will be taken down or not so I'll leave it at that.

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