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Planetary theory
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Although the theory is very creative i really hope that the moons won´t play a role in the story.
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I don't even know what to say…
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I wonder which one Eneru derped his way onto?
@ Miyamoto - Eneru is on one of them.
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@zachri: I know that, what i meant is that i hope that the planets won´t actively be involved in the story, for example the SHs traveling to one of the moons.
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Apparently…...
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How did this guy think the Purple moon was next to/crossing into the planet?
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Well there has been a theory that the object that abducted Capone Bege before the time skip was a moon for a long time. If you look at the orbits of the moons in Ohara, one of them is low at the entrance to the new world. Cool to see people actually paying attention to all these extra details Oda added to the OP world, I highly doubt Oda would add so many moons and have inhabitants on atleast one for them to just sit there. Hell for all we know, one of them could be the key to or be Uranus itself since Uranus is the Greek sky. Just semi-mindless speculation for now though.
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Well there has been a theory that the object that abducted Capone Bege before the time skip was a moon for a long time. If you look at the orbits of the moons in Ohara, one of them is low at the entrance to the new world. Cool to see people actually paying attention to all these extra details Oda added to the OP world, I highly doubt Oda would add so many moons and have inhabitants on atleast one for them to just sit there. Hell for all we know, one of them could be the key to or be Uranus itself since Uranus is the Greek sky. Just semi-mindless speculation for now though.
The Aliens could be inhabitants of another moon, possibly the Moon that has a moon.
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If you look at the orbits of the moons in Ohara, one of them is low at the entrance to the new world.
He isn't adding depth to the picture.
Probably a photoshoped image I know but it illustrates my point - when the moon is coming around from the other side with no depth to differentiate the distances it can look like things are closer then they really are. Just an optical illusion same way people can hold up the leaning tower of pisa or knock it over.
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Interesting that he suggests the next crewmate will be a female astronomer… :ninja:
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Interesting that he suggests the next crewmate will be a female astronomer… :ninja:
M…..o..........n.....
Oh forget it :ninja:
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He isn't adding depth to the picture.
http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/370/369779/thumb_620x2000/earth_and_moon_2.jpgProbably a photoshoped image I know but it illustrates my point - when the moon is coming around from the other side with no depth to differentiate the distances it can look like things are closer then they really are. Just an optical illusion same way people can hold up the leaning tower of pisa or knock it over.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s1Rjbpmjf1M/T1JhtSC6fII/AAAAAAAAA8Q/TxLW_JeKVOA/s1600/pisa-leaning-tower-illusion.jpgWell he actually is. The rings on which the moons are mounted give you a very good idea of how far away they are. Than again, we don't know if the model is to scale. The general structure should be right though. I doubt Oda drew this picture without putting a lot of effort into it. What's weird is that we only ever saw one moon at a time in the night sky. And it seems to be the same moon all the time that has moon phases corresponding with the ones of our moon. Early in the series we would see this one moon quite frequently, but I can't remember any picture of it after the Ohara flashback. Maybe this marks the point where Oda decided on a final layout.
Where he really made no sense is when he was trying to figure out which moon Enel went to by looking at the color. The manga picture has no color. And as mentioned above, I dont think Oda knew about the 6 moons himself at that point. Also the Deviantart pic is obviouly just some other guys rendition of the anime picture.
So he should call it the Hawkins got sucked up the the moon theory, cause most of what he said was fact.
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I would much rather READ the theory….
Can't seem to ever make it past "Okay you guys, what is up?" in that guys videos, which is sad because I'm sure he's got some interesting ideas..Anyone care to give a quick summary of what he's going on about?
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Where he really made no sense is when he was trying to figure out which moon Enel went to by looking at the color. The manga picture has no color. And as mentioned above, I dont think Oda new about the 6 moons himself at that point.
The Enel cover story happened AFTER the Ohara flashback.
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M…..o..........n.....
Oh forget it :ninja:
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The Enel cover story happened AFTER the Ohara flashback.
I was more thinking about how Enel never specified to which moon he would go to in the first place. Is there any picture of the one moon in the sky, seen from the planet after Ohara?
Short summary of the video:
The world of One Piece has six moons, as seen here: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v41/c392/3.html
What moon is which type of moon based on the anime only colors. Some interesting ideas about how different Skypians maybe have originated from different moons. Hawkins may have been sucked up to one of the big, close moons. A theory about what moon Enel went to, again color only argument. Some thoughts about how the world of One Piece must be way bigger than Earth to sustain stable orbits for so many moons. That made no sense cause you see the scale in the picture and the central body is too small and the moons too close no matter how you twist it. Make the planet bigger and the moons just get bigger too. Finally a segment saying the next crew member will be an astronomer because the Strawhats will have to go to these moons at some point. That's possible but it would be a huge detour. Also why not cross Calm Belt or the Red Line when you are capable of spaceflight.Distance between Moon and Earth for comparison. In memory of Neil
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I was more thinking about how Enel never specified to which moon he would go to in the first place. Is there any picture of the one moon in the sky, seen from the planet after Ohara?
Short summary of the video:
The world of One Piece has six moons, as seen here: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v41/c392/3.html
What moon is which type of moon based on the anime only colors. Some interesting ideas about how different Skypians maybe have originated from different moons. Hawkins may have been sucked up to one of the big, close moons. A theory about what moon Enel went to, again color only argument. Some thoughts about how the world of One Piece must be way bigger than Earth to sustain stable orbits for so many moons. That made no sense cause you see the scale in the picture and the central body is too small and the moons too close no matter how you twist it. Make the planet bigger and the moons just get bigger too. Finally a segment saying the next crew member will be an astronomer because the Strawhats will have to go to these moons at some point. That's possible but it would be a huge detour. Also why not cross Calm Belt or the Red Line when you are capable of spaceflight.Distance between Moon and Earth for comparison. In memory of Neil
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Earth-Moon.gifI believe it was Capone Bege that got abducted.
Also the Earth size is a valid argument - but then as your own picture dictates they could not have to scale orbits and would probably be scaled down to show positions and orbit vs correct size. -
When you scale up the planet you scale up the moons too making the system no more stable than before. Gravitational drift would pull a real life equivalent of that system apart in an instant (on an astronomical time scale) . And yes the distances are probably not to scale, they never are in these type of models, because they are too big compared to the sizes of the bodys. Anyway he tried to deduct the size of the One Piece world using real physics. It doesn't even matter if he did it right or wrong since the whole idea doesn't work in the first place. We've already seen light and electricity not working exactly as they do for us, why would gravity?
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I really dig this guy's moon abduction idea.
But I still have a hard time swallowing the idea of the Straw Hats going into space.
I wouldn't put it past Oda to do that (the guy just added a freaking megazord), its just something that I would have to be see to believe. -
I'm still against this, so much. There is no 6 moons! That one model of the earth and the surrounding "moons" or planets to me is like the completely outdated geocentric one people believed in before Copernicus. To me it seems that in the OPverse people still think the Earth is the centre of the universe, that's why there's those orbs placed around it.
You'll notice that, again, it's geocentric, and there is no sun. Also there's funny patterns on them which definitely does NOT represent how they'd look like in manga-reality - seeing as we've also seen the ONE moon Enel got on. That's, to my understanding, the only moon there is. The other orbs are planets. But the model is false, just like it was in our world. It makes sense seeing the OPverse is set in roughly that time as well.
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I was more thinking about how Enel never specified to which moon he would go to in the first place. Is there any picture of the one moon in the sky, seen from the planet after Ohara?
Short summary of the video:
The world of One Piece has six moons, as seen here: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v41/c392/3.html
What moon is which type of moon based on the anime only colors. Some interesting ideas about how different Skypians maybe have originated from different moons. Hawkins may have been sucked up to one of the big, close moons. A theory about what moon Enel went to, again color only argument. Some thoughts about how the world of One Piece must be way bigger than Earth to sustain stable orbits for so many moons. That made no sense cause you see the scale in the picture and the central body is too small and the moons too close no matter how you twist it. Make the planet bigger and the moons just get bigger too. Finally a segment saying the next crew member will be an astronomer because the Strawhats will have to go to these moons at some point. That's possible but it would be a huge detour. Also why not cross Calm Belt or the Red Line when you are capable of spaceflight.Distance between Moon and Earth for comparison. In memory of Neil
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Earth-Moon.gifThank you very much M00n-san.
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@400MillionBelis:
Are you even sure that the OPverse is on Earth?
Their earth.
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Their earth.
…so if it's a different planet from Earth, then how are you sure that the same beliefs that our ancestors held applies to them?
And yes, I'm serious.
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@400MillionBelis:
…so if it's a different planet from Earth, then how are you sure that the same beliefs that our ancestors held applies to them?
And yes, I'm serious.
1. A planet cannot ever be the center of a gravitational field.
2. The time/era (judged based on technological advancements, clothing blabla) is similar to YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT the main pirating era! Point is, it makes sense if not all knowledge and beliefs about the universe are as up-to-date as we have them today in our age - resulting in this false belief that the earth is at the center and observable planetary bodies circle around it. While they actually all circle around the sun.3DS friend code: 2964-8756-2295Games: Pokemon Y & Alpha Sapphire
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Some interesting ideas about how different Skypians maybe have originated from different moons.
This is actually unlikely,
as there were glyphs depicting all three species on the moon that Enel visited. -
One: you said yourself that there is no sun in the model. Wouldn't there be a sun in the model if they did believe that the Earth was the center of the universe?
Two: This is a world with cyborgs and a guy actually went to the / a moon. I think this is a decently smart time period. -
1. A planet cannot ever be the center of a gravitational field.
2. The time/era (judged based on technological advancements, clothing blabla) is similar to YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT the main pirating era! Point is, it makes sense if not all knowledge and beliefs about the universe are as up-to-date as we have them today in our age - resulting in this false belief that the earth is at the center and observable planetary bodies circle around it. While they actually all circle around the sun.Notice that there in no sun in the model. If it was a model of the known universe, following a Earth-centric view, the sun should be in the model orbiting Earth like the rest of the planets or moons.
But there is no sun in the model.
So, it could be very well be just a model of Earth and its moons, kind of like this one:
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1. A planet cannot ever be the center of a gravitational field.
2. The time/era (judged based on technological advancements, clothing blabla) is similar to YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT the main pirating era! Point is, it makes sense if not all knowledge and beliefs about the universe are as up-to-date as we have them today in our age - resulting in this false belief that the earth is at the center and observable planetary bodies circle around it. While they actually all circle around the sun.1. We have no idea if the model in Ohara is a globe of their world, or a model or of their universe. But because a Sun is nonexistent, it is safe to assume that it is a globe, with 6 moons, not planets, circulating it.
2. OH GOSH I NEVER KNEW THAT ONE PIECE HAPPENS IN THE 1500s. The model lacked a star/sun big enough to shed light on the planet that OP occurs in, and if this model is to scale, any source of light would be dangerous to the planet because of their closeness to each other.You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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Of course the model is not to scale. Which can also mean one of those orbs may represent the sun, but it doesn't have to for this really - I'll just stick to believing it's an inaccurate model, Enel is on the one moon that they have, end of. For me anyways. You're free to disagree.
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Its just a theory, there's no right or wrong. Yet.
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@400MillionBelis:
1. We have no idea if the model in Ohara is a globe of their world, or a model or of their universe. But because a Sun is nonexistent, it is safe to assume that it is a globe, with 6 moons, not planets, circulating it.
2. OH GOSH I NEVER KNEW THAT ONE PIECE HAPPENS IN THE 1500s. The model lacked a star/sun big enough to shed light on the planet that OP occurs in, and if this model is to scale, any source of light would be dangerous to the planet because of their closeness to each other.Good, it's the 1700s, silly.
Anyway, considering we only ever see one moon in the sky and such, it seems improbable that there are actually loads of them. It seems much more likely to me that those things at Ohara was devised to show the position of celestial bodies relative to the Earth so it's planets, maybe and the moon and the sun (obviously not to scale should that be the case).
Also, I'm pretty certain if you assumed the sun to be smaller, you'd end up with it being closer than it is . . .
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Did you all really watch 14 minutes of a theory on video?
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Why are we arguing about scales again? Scales and distances never were strong points in this.
I think that those are planets in their solar system too, otherwise there would be a lot of moons in the sky. Of course they can be unseen from certain places and visible in others, but I see no point in complicating things that way. Still would be nice if part with female astronomer turned out to be true:ninja: (but it was 99 percent unlikely from the start and gets even more unlikely with each week)
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I'm telling you: Monet will be the astronomer. She has been reading astronomy books afterall (and has wings). And the World Government is an alliance formed by 5 alien nations, each nation being on a different moon. Raftel is the place where they began their invasion of the "One Piece world" (during the Void Century), and One Piece is concrete evidence supporting it, Devil Fruit is alien weaponry, Pluton is an alien capital ship, those of the Will of D. are of the royal bloodline of the ancient kingdom that the World Government overthrew etc. etc. etc. etc. I could go on and on.
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@The:
I'm telling you: Monet will be the astronomer. She has been reading astronomy books afterall (and has wings). And the World Government is an alliance formed by 5 alien nations, each nation being on a different moon. Raftel is the place where they began their invasion of the "One Piece world", and One Piece is concrete evidence supporting it, Devil Fruit is alien weaponry etc. etc. etc. etc. I could go on and on.
That's where OP turns into DBZ. On the other hand it was inspired by DBZ…
Anyway until there are more evidence it's all fanfiction at best (even if I for one want it to be true). -
Strawhats go to space and conveniently land on the planet Enel is on :ninja:
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Why are we arguing about scales again? Scales and distances never were strong points in this.
I think that those are planets in their solar system too, otherwise there would be a lot of moons in the sky. Of course they can be unseen from certain places and visible in others, but I see no point in complicating things that way. Still would be nice if part with female astronomer turned out to be true:ninja: (but it was 99 percent unlikely from the start and gets even more unlikely with each week)
Well everything can be solved in one weird scenario… suppose all the moons are tidally locked to the earth... and vice versa. Also, there net gravitational pull on each other stabilizes their orbits so they don't crash into each other... And if most of these moons are over Grandline... would certainly explain much of the strange weather happenings over there... I mean apart from islands having individual weathers... which could also tie in to the moon tidal locking!! Dude!! This theory is awesome!!
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This thread is missing something vital!
There we go…
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Yeah, now we're talking! And they exist. It's all clear now…
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The series already has cyborgs, superpowers (Devil Fruit), spaceships (Maxim)–though ghetto--and other sci-fi elements--why not aliens too?
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Yeah. Y'know, given that Oda basically does whatever he wants and has a lot of different types of creatures running around, I'm pretty sure he could find a boss way to include aliens. Just… Saiyan.
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There are canon aliens. Those weird looking fox-things pirate-miners on the moon.
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@The:
The series already has cyborgs, superpowers (Devil Fruit), spaceships (Maxim)–though ghetto--and other sci-fi elements--why not aliens too?
Canon aliens
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Here we go!
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Embrace it!
But seriously… I'm all for this theory, truth be told. In fact, I hold somewhat of the same sentiment in regards to the storyline.
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Anyway until there are more evidence it's all fanfiction at best (even if I for one want it to be true).
Or, you know, what people call a "theory"
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EDIT: Going to space isn't much of stretch.
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@400MillionBelis:
Or, you know, what people call a "theory"
Or, you know, what people call "almost baseless theory". Give me real firm reasons and evidence that Monet will join, cause that what I mostly meant in that post. Or, you know, quit trying to be a smartass maybe?
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Or, you know, what people call "almost baseless theory". Give me real firm reasons and evidence that Monet will join, cause that what I mostly meant in that post. Or, you know, quit trying to be a smartass maybe?
A theory nonetheless. The most I can give to you is the idea of what we have learned in Enel's cover story coming into play in the Void Century. Skypiea is definitely the last we're going to here about the Sky People and their origins. And, I'm only a smartass when I see it fitting.
EDIT: definitely not, there's supposed to be a not after definitely
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