The guy doesn't like to be disturbed. He lives on an uninhabited island and will hunt you down if you wake him from a nap. If the Government offered him the position, it'd make sense for him to take it rather than be constantly followed by the Marines.
Chopper's forms
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@Monkey:
So are you just going to ignore that in between arcs when they're discussing plans and such things that Nami is essentially almost in charge OVER Luffy?
That when everyone's goofing off she's the only one making things happened there?
She's not an action character, judging everything entirely off action sequences is stupid.But really there is no command structure. If you want to get technical with that, only Luffy has a command worth more than the others. No heiarachy exists otherwise.
Nami is just doing her job as navigator, she's smart and has a voice but yelling and acting the big sister role don't make you a leader.
Judging everything entirely off action sequences is stupid. Yes it is, I never did that. In my example I just showed an instance in which you can infer Usopp has more input then Nami does.
No hierarchy exists but that's why I asked, to see what people think as opposed to the overdone SH power rankings. Zoro beats Luffy by the way
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Nami is just doing her job as navigator, she's smart and has a voice but yelling and acting the big sister role don't make you a leader.
Judging everything entirely off action sequences is stupid. Yes it is, I never did that. In my example I just showed an instance in which you can infer Usopp has more input then Nami does.
No hierarchy exists but that's why I asked, to see what people think as opposed to the overdone SH power rankings. Zoro beats Luffy by the way
Here we go again. Can u back this with arguments?
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Saul has the D because he died smiling.
Or the other way around.
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Saul has the D. for the same reason you have the surname you have.
! waiting for the smartass who's gonna say they changed their surname because of the lulz
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Saul has the D because he need it to complete his collection.
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This might sound odd, but it has crossed my mind since the Strawhats entered the New World.
What happens if I was born in the New World and wanted to become a pirate? Yeah, I could just become a pirate, but the New World seems to be far more dangerous than Paradise.
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Saul has the D. for the same reason you have the surname you have.
! waiting for the smartass who's gonna say they changed their surname because of the lulz
Anyone in specific?
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This might sound odd, but it has crossed my mind since the Strawhats entered the New World.
What happens if I was born in the New World and wanted to become a pirate? Yeah, I could just become a pirate, but the New World seems to be far more dangerous than Paradise.
I might need to align with a Yonkou first to be unharmed. Or am I misinterpretating something?To align with a Yonkou first is an option, though we have someone like Don Chinjao who seems to be independent, or Lola (depends on who her mother is).
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Mihawk joined the shichibukai to avoid hassles while he challenges people to become stronger.
Mihawk is not that different from Zoro, and that's why he helped/trained him and he's looking forward to fight him.
Plus some other things about his past that has to be revealed yet.About Monet, I think we'll have a flashback sooner rather than later about how and why she and others joined Dofla.
What seems to be clear is that she noticed Chopper, did she gave him or not the note is another thing, but it'll be clear soon.
Oda foreshadowed something there.I think Monet Violet Rebecca and Baby5 are tied from the Rebecca flashback in ch 720.
There was clearly a situation of poverty in Dressrosa when Rebecca was a child, either pre Dofla or just as Dofla became king.
Some could have chosen willingly or unwillingly to join Dofla, others like Rebecca to oppose him.
There still much to know about Monet, just like why did she had to have her limbs replaced from Law?
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I was always curious as to what others opinions were on this topic, so here goes.
What do you think the hierarchy of command is on the Straw hat crew?
Here's my list:
These are pretty obvious
1 Luffy
2 Zoro
3 Sanji
Now it gets tricky
4 Franky
5 Usopp
6 Brook
and to finish it off
7 Robin/Nami
8 Nami/Robin
9 Chopper
I can give my reasons as to why but I'll see if anyone disagrees first. I have a feeling people won't like my #5 spot lolif we are talking about "chain of command",then we just have
1)Luffy
2)Namihthe opinion of all the other ones have pretty much the same weight
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SHOULD WE OPEN A THREAD ABOUT COMBAT AND POWER LEVELS SO THAT ALL THOSE RELATED DISCUSSIONS WILL BE BANISHED TO THAT THREAD AND NOT "CONTAMINATE" OTHER DISCUSSIONS?
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It's blackbeard! given the fact that he had been acknowledge as 1 of the emperors in a very short of time with a small crew.
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SHOULD WE OPEN A THREAD ABOUT COMBAT AND POWER LEVELS SO THAT ALL THOSE RELATED DISCUSSIONS WILL BE BANISHED TO THAT THREAD AND NOT "CONTAMINATE" OTHER DISCUSSIONS?
Serious, not sarcastic, not sorry for the capsDefinitely not and the mods would not allow it, and for good reason.
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Definitely not and the mods would not allow it, and for good reason.
I don't know how you intrpreted my post but…I'm annoyed to see interesting discussions broken by discussions that would be ok for mangas like Dragonball Naruto or Bleach.
Now, OnePiece is not "Crime and Punishment", it's still a shonen manga, but discussing who's stronger between Luffy/Zoro/Sanji is quite pointless.My idea of the power level thread is for a...dump thread, to keep the other discussions clean :)
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I don't know how you intrpreted my post but…I'm annoyed to see interesting discussions broken by discussions that would be ok for mangas like Dragonball Naruto or Bleach.
Now, OnePiece is not "Crime and Punishment", it's still a shonen manga, but discussing who's stronger between Luffy/Zoro/Sanji is quite pointless.My idea of the power level thread is for a...dump thread, to keep the other discussions clean :)
I like your idea of cleansing every thread of any power level discussion, but if a power level discussion thread existed and was popular its terminology such as "tiers" would probably leak into the chapter discussion threads which would get annoying.
The best way to prevent power level discussion is for the mods to keep doing what they already do, deleting any of it that occurs then posting a warning.
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Where did you even see a power level discussion the past few pages?
This is about levels of command, how much of a say they have in the crew or the rank in terms of leadership. Not physical power..Also what you said is just bs. People are allowed to have other discussions. The one they were having came before the Mihawk thing. Did anybody get mad at you guys for wanting to discuss the Mihawk topic while they were making a list of command in the crew? No. And why? Because sometimes two discussions are in a thread at once, you just can't help it. Eveybody has the right to have their own discussion, and you shouldn't make a thread for every little discussion in here.
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Couldn't most of Vivi's problems have been solved if she just had a Den Den Mushi? She coulda phoned the palace... Kohza... -
My question went unanswered/undiscussed last page…
Couldn't most of Vivi's problems have been solved if she just had a Den Den Mushi? She coulda phoned the palace... Kohza...I doubt she could have convince Kozha in the phone. And she wouldn't be able to identify herself to the palace.
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My question went unanswered/undiscussed last page…
Couldn't most of Vivi's problems have been solved if she just had a Den Den Mushi? She coulda phoned the palace... Kohza...Maybe she can, but the problem is,
-did she/kohza/palace have a Den Den Mushi at that time?
-signal range
-Black Den Den Mushi
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Thanks for the replies regarding Mihawk. I can go along with the reason that he chose to join the shichibukai because he didn't want to be bothered. It still feels a bit weird that he's the only one who has such a straightforward reason for joining but then again maybe it was Oda's intention to make him a straightforward character.
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@D:
Here we go again. Can u back this with arguments?
lol can you back up your argument for Luffy. At the moment in the series Luffy would win. Pre time skip however, he was the strongest on the crew but would lose to Zoro. The fact that Luffy didn't have Haki and was at a disadvantage against sharp objects. That and Zoro could take more damage then Luffy could.
if we are talking about "chain of command",then we just have
1)Luffy
2)Namihthe opinion of all the other ones have pretty much the same weight
Of the responses I've got to that post everyone puts Nami at two. That's crazy to me. She's the navigator doing her job but clearly at many points she has had less input then you'd think.
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Of the responses I've got to that post everyone puts Nami at two. That's crazy to me. She's the navigator doing her job but clearly at many points she has had less input then you'd think.
Nami can even be placed as number one when making a decision, the only difference is that Luffy is the Captain and he have control over her but who do you think has to be placed as #2 in Command?
PS:This is about making a rational decision and not about who is the leader once those guys go on a mission in groups
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they are all #1 in command in their area of specialty. luffy rearly overrides their decisions in their area.
but once luffy determines something, it goes.
maybe you can say Nami as #2 because she is in charge of the belli, how much and on what thy spend it on. She also more or less commands the other crew in discipline areas. like when she hits them and stuff.
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I still don't see it, I honestly thought we'd we talking about the members further down on the list. But Nami at 2 is crazy to me. I just think you guys are misconstruing her navigating skills and letting her discipline punches, usually comedic, way to seriously.
Even when the crew was together at Thriller Bark, sans Luffy, Zoro clearly had command. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree
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I still don't see it, I honestly thought we'd we talking about the members further down on the list. But Nami at 2 is crazy to me. I just think you guys are misconstruing her navigating skills and letting her discipline punches, usually comedic, way to seriously.
Even when the crew was together at Thriller Bark, sans Luffy, Zoro clearly had command. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree
When has anyone mentioned her navigating being the reason. She has directed goal plans between islands, not just directions. She also behaves as treasurer.
You claim to not be arguing from action sequences, and yet you cite an arc that was essentially from start to finish one long action sequence.
Triapsing through dangerous monster filled territory is still action, like soldiers marching through a jungle. Just because the fighting hasn't started doesn't mean the battlefield isn't where the people are.
Look instead to a non-hostile non-action island like Water7 and the trip her, Luffy, and Usopp made with their money to buy the ship.
Nami displays a definite high degree of command on average. Something she shares with Zoro.But again, there is no command structure.
Luffy is the only one deferred to in that regard. For obvious obvious reasons.
Otherwise everything is highly variable from scenario to scenario. With Zoro and others usually being more in control in action scenarios, while Nami is often more in control in management type scenarios. Where the Strawhats have to interact with some sort of public oriented island or group.Basically: For hostile wild islands Nami is not well suited and rushes to the back of the line. For highly populated islands where there is civic infrastructure and upkeep considerations Nami rushes to the front.
Basing your whole argument on Thriller Barque is a truly ridiculous thing to do.
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I still don't see it, I honestly thought we'd we talking about the members further down on the list. But Nami at 2 is crazy to me. I just think you guys are misconstruing her navigating skills and letting her discipline punches, usually comedic, way to seriously.
Even when the crew was together at Thriller Bark, sans Luffy, Zoro clearly had command. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree
There wasn't a position where a rational decision had to be made in thriller Bark (Aside from Sanji wanting to rescue Nami and Usopp staying with Perona, which were a must do) everything else was based on kicking asses left and right and no making a crucial decision that involved the well being of the crew
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@Monkey:
When has anyone mentioned her navigating being the reason.
I actually think Nami is the third in command, since she's actually the navigator and pretty much everybody should listen to her.
Well of the few responses I got, this person is an "anyone" using that reason lol
@Monkey:
You claim to not be arguing from action sequences, and yet you cite an arc that was essentially from start to finish one long action sequence.
Triapsing through dangerous monster filled territory is still action, like soldiers marching through a jungle. Just because the fighting hasn't started doesn't mean the battlefield isn't where the people are.
Look instead to a non-hostile non-action island like Water7 and the trip her, Luffy, and Usopp made with their money to buy the ship.Yes, good reasoning but it's not like I needed it to be Thiller Bark. The onlyreason I mentioned it in the first place was for my original Nami, Usopp andChopper scene and how Oda made it a point to call it "Usopps group"
@Monkey:
But again, there is no command structure
Yes, thank you for clarifying why I posted this in the ‘Questions That Don't Deserve Their OwnThread’ thread
@Monkey:
Basically: For hostile wild islands Nami is not well suited and rushes to the back of the line. For highly populated islands where there is civic infrastructure and upkeep considerations Nami rushes to the front.
Basing your whole argument on Thriller Barque is a truly ridiculous thing to do.
Yeah, I see good points as to why Nami is important to the crew and why I should probably put her higher on my hierarchy list. But importance doesn't equal being higher on the command chain to me. She's great with negotiating, saving money, directions, navigating, common sense issues, and disciplining. But as I said these things can be misconstrued.
There wasn't a position where a rational decision had to be made in thriller Bark (Aside from Sanji wanting to rescue Nami and Usopp staying with Perona, which were a must do) everything else was based on kicking asses left and right and no making a crucial decision that involved the well being of the crew
What? Yeah there was, not on every single page but yeah there was more then just that.
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She's great with negotiating, savingmoney, directions, navigating, common sense issues, and disciplining. But as Isaid these things can be misconstrued.
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Nope, there wasn't
Zoro deciding to sacrifice himself for the benefit of his captain and crew. That wasn't rational?
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Zoro deciding to sacrifice himself for the benefit of his captain and crew. That wasn't rational?
Forgot about that one but He was the only one standing and the only SHs that was worth/well known at that time also he's role was well play out at that moment when Kuma realized that the SHs were pirates to be feared but at that point in time the WG would have been somewhat satisfy with Zoro's head after they see the damage that he manage to inflict in Kuma even though he was already wounded but it was a rational decision but that won't make him be #2 in command when it comes to this
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Forgot about that one but He was the only one standing and the only SHs that was worth/well known at that time also he's role was well play out at that moment when Kuma realized that the SHs were pirates to be feared but at that point in time the WG would have been somewhat satisfy with Zoro's head after they see the damage that he manage to inflict in Kuma even though he was already wounded but it was a rational decision but that won't make him be #2 in command when it comes to this
Well I think it does. Throughout the battle with Oars and Moria he was clearly dictating who did what and, in a sense, lead the charge. I think that's when the 'command chain' is most necessary. But I guess I'm the only one here who thinks that.
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Zoro deciding to sacrifice himself for the benefit of his captain and crew. That wasn't rational?
Rational???? it was a matter of honor and emotion, not a fucking managerial decision lolll
lol Zoro taking Kuma into some fucking boardroom to talk about company cuts or some shit the way you're talking
"If you see here, our Quarter 2 earning shows that a buy off of an asset like Strawhat Luffy is premature and not desired by our firm at this time. We're willing to sell our holdings in Roronoa Zoro in place of this, we think this should satisfy the buyer for the time being."
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@Monkey:
Rational???? it was a matter of honor and emotion, not a fucking managerial decision lolll
lol Zoro taking Kuma into some fucking boardroom to talk about company cuts or some shit the way you're talking
"If you see here, our Quarter 2 earning shows that a buy off of an asset like Strawhat Luffy is premature and not desired by our firm at this time. We're willing to sell our holdings in Roronoa Zoro in place of this, we think this should satisfy the buyer for the time being."
It was in response to the wording of someone else's post if whether their was rational decision making in the Thriller Bark arc. I think there was, and Zoro's decision was rational.
Rational-_based on or in accordance with reason or logic_True it was on emotion but it was also a rational decision in order to save the crew. I really don't see the problem
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It was in response to the wording of someone else's post if whether their was rational decision making in the Thriller Bark arc. I think there was, and Zoro's decision was rational.
Rational-_based on or in accordance with reason or logic_True it was on emotion but it was also a rational decision in order to save the crew. I really don't see the problem
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Where did you even see a power level discussion the past few pages?
This is about levels of command, how much of a say they have in the crew or the rank in terms of leadership. Not physical power..Also what you said is just bs. People are allowed to have other discussions. The one they were having came before the Mihawk thing. Did anybody get mad at you guys for wanting to discuss the Mihawk topic while they were making a list of command in the crew? No. And why? Because sometimes two discussions are in a thread at once, you just can't help it. Eveybody has the right to have their own discussion, and you shouldn't make a thread for every little discussion in here.
I made a question that didn't deserve its thread, it's not related to the latest pages of THIS SPECIFIC discussion, but the overall mood of the forums.
Everytime I see power levels arguments that don't resolve in anything nor in a clean definite answer, I think we're doing a great disservice to Oda and makes me cringe.
Because the plot made us understand that we don't have to rely on that silly math.
People can discuss what they want, you're right, but in the moment the start to discuss who's got the longer penis, they clear show that they missed a lot of the manga.
Can be a funny discussion if related to a specific thread.
I have no time and knowledge, nor the patience of MonkeyKing to try to explain everyone with long posts why they're wrong, but I, as many others, cringe a bit when seeing "Luffy's spit is stronger than Zoro's swords" kind of arguments@Monkey:
"If you see here, our Quarter 2 earning shows that a buy off of an asset like Strawhat Luffy is premature and not desired by our firm at this time. We're willing to sell our holdings in Roronoa Zoro in place of this, we think this should satisfy the buyer for the time being."
LOLOL
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@Monkey:
You're taking a moment of emotional comradery by Zoro and turning it into some bland logical choice.
You're ruining the point.My point was that its true, it was rational, honorable, based on emotion and it worked on all levels. Admitting that takes away nothing. Lets be rational here
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What is wrong in taking a minute to speculate who you think would have more of a say in the crew or more leadership in them?
It's a fun discussion and it's not like the usual power level discussion. It doesn't have to result in a definite answer to be allowed to be here.Also, I don't think talking about somethig like this is a "disservice to Oda" lol. I don't actually think he would mind it if people are speculating about who could have more of a say in the crew. I just think that he would say what MK said, that there is no hierarchy in the crew and that it doesn't really matter. Still doesn't mean this was a bad discussion though, it just means that after a bit it would get pointless.
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What is wrong in taking a minute to speculate who you think would have more of a say in the crew or more leadership in them?
It's a fun discussion and it's not like the usual power level discussion. It doesn't have to result in a definite answer to be allowed to be here.Also, I don't think talking about somethig like this is a "disservice to Oda" lol. I don't actually think he would mind it if people are speculating about who could have more of a say in the crew. I just think that he would say what MK said, that there is no hierarchy in the crew and that it doesn't really matter. Still doesn't mean this was a bad discussion though, it just means that after a bit it would get pointless.
This guy, this is the guy.
I thought it was an interesting topic when I brought it up but to most people if 'Oda hasn't touched upon it, it's forbidden to talk about.' Also theirs quite a bit of Nami command love lol
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Why exactly are you unconvinced Nami isn't up there?
So many instances of her giving orders, and not just for navigation.
She tells them where to go, gives them spending money, what to do… a lot of the time. I don't see anyone else besides Luffy giving commands really. Zoro is just a good 1st mate (if he is) because he's respectable and wise like a leader, but he never really gives commands. Nami's given more commands than Luffy has... It's not because she's the strongest or most important... she's just a classic shonen obahan... -
What is wrong in taking a minute to speculate who you think would have more of a say in the crew or more leadership in them?
It's a fun discussion and it's not like the usual power level discussion. It doesn't have to result in a definite answer to be allowed to be here.Also, I don't think talking about somethig like this is a "disservice to Oda" lol. I don't actually think he would mind it if people are speculating about who could have more of a say in the crew. I just think that he would say what MK said, that there is no hierarchy in the crew and that it doesn't really matter. Still doesn't mean this was a bad discussion though, it just means that after a bit it would get pointless.
Pfft…It wasn't about these last pages anyway
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If the war that will happen at the end is sparked by the Straw hats discovering the Void century, how would Oda go about making Luffy care about the past in the first place? Enough to make him wage war against the WG.
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If the war that will happen at the end is sparked by the Straw hats discovering the Void century, how would Oda go about making Luffy care about the past in the first place? Enough to make him wage war against the WG.
I think it's reasonable to presume Luffy will meet his father before discovering the Void Century.
This is not enough, obviously, but it's a starting point for sure.
Plus, revealing what happened in the Void Century probably discredits the WorlGovernment and the Tenryubito actions.
Still this is something that might reinforce Luffy's awareness.
Plus, surely something else we can't see comin' yet, like…dunno, something along the line of WG attacking Alabasta or Fishman Island for some kind of odd unexpected reason; the Reverie is getting near...and some big and restrictive decisions forced by the coming of Blackbeard's era will be surely taken, some decisions that some kingdoms won't like. -
I think it's reasonable to presume Luffy will meet his father before discovering the Void Century.
This is not enough, obviously, but it's a starting point for sure.
Plus, revealing what happened in the Void Century probably discredits the WorlGovernment and the Tenryubito actions.
Still this is something that might reinforce Luffy's awareness.
Plus, surely something else we can't see comin' yet, like…dunno, something along the line of WG attacking Alabasta or Fishman Island for some kind of odd unexpected reason; the Reverie is getting near...and some big and restrictive decisions forced by the coming of Blackbeard's era will be surely taken, some decisions that some kingdoms won't like.Ah so basically it would be like every other time, where Luffy is fighting them for their current actions and not their past.
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This has probably been discussed before but would it not be absurd to assume that the Heart/SH alliance and the Kid/OA/Hawkins alliance may both be going after Kaido? Which would set up for a really major arc when it comes time for them to take on the Yonko?
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This has probably been discussed before but would it not be absurd to assume that the Heart/SH alliance and the Kid/OA/Hawkins alliance may both be going after Kaido? Which would set up for a really major arc when it comes time for them to take on the Yonko?
Possible, however we heard Pekoms/Tamago (can't recall who it was) mention that Kid was assaulting their ships and since the proposition for the alliance came from Kid's side it's just as likely they're going after Big Mom. Blackbeard or Shanks are also likely but we don't know if their crews operate the same way Kaido and Big Mom operate, i.e. have protectorates or multiple divisions within their crew leading to higher chances the supernovas run into some of the allied crews.
Now that the Mera Mera fruit is up for grabs, if someone does end up eating it, do you guys think he or she would have the same move set as Ace or do you think Oda might come up with a different move set?