Im clearly gonna say Dragon Ball. That was my favourite cuz the other ones kinda got ruined by making tooo serious.. i enjoyed the comedy :)
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Dragonball is infinitely better than DBZ/GT
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Dragon Ball because its really funny with action
Dragon Ball Z ITS ALRIGHT BUT NOT FUNNY HAS DRAGON BALL
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The original, hands down. It ranks as one of my alltime favorites. I really wish they'd make a budokai game based off DB..
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DragonBall is the best.
GT is the worst because it isn't real and it is a huge pothole.
No Toriyama = No Dragonball
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Originally posted by Nami@Feb 26 2005, 09:07 PM
**Dragonball is the best. GT is the worst because it isn't real.No Toriyama = No Dragonball
[snapback]7668[/snapback]**I have to agree with this.
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Yeah, i would buy Dragon Ball Budokai if they ever made one…
my fave good guys are:
-Goku
-Tien
-Oolong
-Krillenfave bad guys must be
-Tow Pye Pye (i cant spell it)
-Jackie Chun (Master Roshi lol :P)
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Originally posted by Tony Tony Chopper@Feb 26 2005, 09:15 PM
Yeah, i would buy Dragon Ball Budokai if they ever made one…
[snapback]7676[/snapback]What do you mean by that?
And Kame-sennin (Roshi) isn't a bad guy.
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My favorite Dragonball character is definitely Master Roshi, Yajirobe was my second favorite. I also liked Agent Purple (the perverted ninja), Android 8, Korin, Tao Pai Pai (I think that's his name), the fox that worked for Pilaf, Namu, and the monster Goku fought against in his first tournament, his name was Giran.
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The fox that works for Emperor Pilaf is named Shu and the perverted ninja's name is Ninja Murasaki. :P And yeah, Tao Pai Pai is his name but Funimation changed it to Mercenary Tao(not that big of a deal)
My favorite characters from DragonBall/DragonBall Z are Kuririn and #18.
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Dragonball hands down. It was a wonderful adventure series. I like DBZ also, but I don't like how a lot of the original DB characters are just pushed aside for the saiyans. No comment on GT.
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Dragonball
The best thing about it are Piccolo Damioh saga and RRA. I mean Bulma and Genral Blue was hillarious.
"How can he find beauty disgusting? Must be gay"
As for Budokai, DB has been influened for it. The latest, 3, has Red as the character for Dragon Arena, Kid Goku from DB is there, and from 2 we have the RRA base. -
ATTENTION DBGT HATERS
Thought you might enjoy the actual man's thoughts on the series since he frequently is portrayed as having no involvement and hating the series.
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DBGT still sucks.
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You're saying Toriyama sucks too? You know he did do character designs, location designs and checked the story. Not to mention he'd like to continue the story in that direction.
So you are indeed saying Toriyama sucks as well right?
Meh, that's your opinion so go for it!
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No, he's saying he doesn't like GT…
I mean, if you were to apply that logic, saying the Phantom Menace sucked is equal to saying George Lucas and every other Star Wars franchise sucks? No, I'm sorry. That's stupid.
Though, that interview thing was hilarious.
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I would reply to that crappy argument, but Mog summed it up pretty well.
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Dragon Ball all the way!
Z was tolerable until the end of Frieza saga and it would have wrapped the series pretty well if it would have ended there like it was supposed too.But noooo he had to continue even tough he had no more ideas and that keeping up would create plotholes.
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No, he's saying he doesn't like GT…
^o^ Did we read the same interview? I'm gonna show this to EX. He should get a kick out of fanboy dreams.
I would reply to that crappy argument, but Mog summed it up pretty well.
Well it's not an argument. Just a fact really. You said it yourself.
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It's not a fact, how can it be when Mog said what he meant? Did you even read what Mog said?
You said it yourself.
DBGT still sucks.
Were you trying to say that he thinks Toriyama sucks? It doesn't look like he said that to me.
My favorite was Dragonball.
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Hm.. Basically I like the first one. I have never really finished Dragonball but this was what I felt: The first parts were very funny and kept me going. But as the story went on, it got boring and uninteresting. So that's why I didnt bother to finish it.
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I'd definetely have to say the original. It was the most fun to watch, I think. Even the filler was pretty cool.
My favorite characters were Ten, Piccolo, and Kame-Sennin. Ah, the days before they were worthless….
I really wish they'd make a budokai game based off DB..
We got Kid Goku in Budokai 3; close enough, yeah? [/Wakka]
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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_Originally posted by Cap'n Carter+–>QUOTE(Cap'n Carter)GT still sucks.
_Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2+–>QUOTE(omae no kaasan v.2)So you are indeed saying Toriyama sucks as well right?
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No, he's saying he doesn't like GT…_^o^ Did we read the same interview? I'm gonna show this to EX. He should get a kick out of fanboy dreams._
__… Ok... Yeah, so anyway.
Dragon Ball Z's probably my favourite out of the three, simply because it's the series I first got acquainted with. Thus holding mucho nostalgia to me.
I'm even more of a manga person, though, so I just tend to look on both Dragon Ball and Z as the same series in that aspect.__
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hmm Htis was a hard chose… The best from the manga for me is when they first meet Tenshinhan to Friezas death, after namek saga, everything became little lame except Tenshinhan... He owns. And I do not hate DBGT, but I think they have done some alot of things that is wrong especially for the fans. I love bebi, he's cool.
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I like the first few episodes of GT. With those Don Paras and such. If the series ended after the Baby fight, I wouldn't have thought it was too bad.
As far as manga goes, I'd have to say the Z section was a bit better. The art and action vastly improved.
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I dunno why Omae wants to start a pointless argument with me, just because I don't like a particular series, and he starts putting words in my mouth. I'm pretty sure I know what I mean, dude. :rolleyes:
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Feb 27 2005, 10:03 AM
I dunno why Omae wants to start a pointless argument with me, just because I don't like a particular series, and he starts putting words in my mouth. I'm pretty sure I know what I mean, dude. :rolleyes:
[snapback]7979[/snapback]Actually, I think Greg was more annoyed with Mog putting words in Toriyama's mouth, and then you agreeing with him. :P
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For the love of… I didn't put any words into Toriyama's mouth.
If you want to make weird assumptions, go ahead, but at least read my post accurately. Scroll up if you want me to empathize it even more.
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Er, guys, sorry to cut in. I was deleting the posts of someone who was supposed to be banned, and I THINK (but I'm not sure) that I might have deleted one of yours accidentally. If I did, I am EXTREMELY sorry.
Just so you guys know if you find there's a missing post x_x
While I'm here though…I also agree that disliking GT doesn't mean you dislike Toriyama. I personally liked what little I saw of GT, but I only watched the first 15-20 episodes of it about 7 years ago, and then the last episode of it...so I don't really know much about the rest.
Watsuki supposedly played a hand in the second RK OAV - doesn't mean I like it anymore, or like him any less.
But Omae's post was still interesting - I didn't realize Toriyama had as much of a hand in GT as he did. Cool to know.
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Dragonball is the funniest anime ever made ( second being Lupin the 3rd) and the best of the Dragonball series. GT is a nightmare that someone decided to turn into an anime.
We know that Toei are not very good with fillers and DBGT only proves this theory even more. Why are Studio Gallop ( Yugioh and Kenshin) and Toei obsessed with filler episodes/Sagas? 70% of Yugioh and nearly all of Kenshin ( mind the fan fav Kyoto Arc) are fillers. At least the Kenshin fillers are still good, while the Yugioh ones are not only bad, but cheesy. Luckily my favorite anime company Studio Pierrot, don't do/did fillers often if ever on their "GOOD" anime titles like YYH and Bleach. They just extend scenes, add in/take away charcters from scenes and (now days) tone down violence.FUNimation,please buy Bleach
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Originally posted by Viz Hater@Feb 27 2005, 03:28 PM
At least the Kenshin fillers are still good[snapback]8063[/snapback]This is off topic, but IMHO, any Kenshin filler arc that went over 1-3 episodes was not very good. The fact that it was canceled during the post-kyoto-hen filler should prove this. However, I do like some of their shorter filler arcs, and thought they were well done (such as the pirate girl two ep filler right before Kyoto-hen, Sano and the dog episode…some random festival episode somewhere post Kyoto-hen)DBZ filler could be interesting...like that one where Piccolo was trying to get his driver's license. Again, it was short and funny.
But generally it seems in most series, filler that stretches out tends to be frustrating.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Feb 27 2005, 08:30 AM
My favorite characters were Ten, Piccolo, and Kame-Sennin. Ah, the days before they were worthless….That's how I feel, and why I like Dragonball the best. Remember when even Kame-Sennin was something to be feared by the others?
Tenshinhan and Chaozu were always my favorite characters, and they had a fairly major role in Dragonball.
I do like the other series though, and there are some parts in DBZ that I like just as much as DB. I've only seen some of DBGT, so I can't comment a lot on it (only seen some of the Bebi saga).
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I hated how Trunks and Goten were automatically stronger than Krillin, Piccolo, and the others as soon as they were born.
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Oh my bad! I totally thought Mog was trying to imagine Toriyama somehow inferred that he said he didn't like GT in that interview.
Now, as far as anyone's opinion. If you do indeed say that even after Toriyama's words of support and participation in the creative GT process then replying with a simple:
GT still sucks
I'm sorry, you are certainly saying Toriyama sucks for his work in GT. Which is absolutely fine if that's your opinion, but realize this, just saying GT sucks because Toriyama wasn't involved is a null point. Toriyama did have a hand in it, and any mud you sling at the series lands on him as well. If you don't like the story, that's fine. In fact MANY Japanese fans didn't even enjoy the Majin Buu saga simply because it was too random. And let's not forget, Toriyama is probably his biggest critic….when he can remember what it is he's talking about. But hurling insults at GT because it didn't have Toriyama is a false statement and a HORRID rumor that started years ago when long-term DB fans (that didn't speak a lick of Japanese) were upset that their manga was taken in a new direction without the comic.
GT has an incredibly weak section in the middle but the final saga is a far better ending to the series than Toriyama's rushed original version. (Not to be confused with his slightly different but ever-so-much-more satisfying revised ending from the kanzenban.
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I never said that GT sucks because Toriyama had no hand in it, because I knew better. I didn't know he did a little more than character design until you showed me that interview (which I enjoyed; I usually like the interviews with Toriyama I've read, he seems like a very cool person). Maybe my reply was a bit too blunt and harsh, I should've said something like "I still don't like GT" or something, because, honestly, seeing an interview where he says that he had a small influence in the series, and where he gives support to it isn't going to magically make me fall in love with it. What I meant by what I said was, "It's nice that Toriyama had more influence in GT than I though and that he supports it, but I sitll don't like it."
I still don't understand your logic in saying that I hate Toriyama (because I don't), unless you inferred much more from my three words than I intended. That seems like saying that if someone says they don't like any of the filler arcs from One Piece, then they don't like Oda, because as far as I know, he had similar influence in those.
Hopefully that's a good enough reply. Please, let's stop this zany discussion; we're poisoning this fine topic.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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I never said that GT sucks because Toriyama had no hand in it, because I knew better.
Please take note I never once said you did. But someone certainly did:
No Toriyama = No Dragonball
seeing an interview where he says that he had a small influence in the series, and where he gives support to it isn't going to magically make me fall in love with it
My intention isn't to change any opinion. Especially on the Internet. However hopefully I've expanded several viewpoints which from your reply and several others, it would appear I have.
I still don't understand your logic in saying that I hate Toriyama (because I don't), unless you inferred much more from my three words than I intended.
Could you please point out where I inferred you "hate" Toriyama?
That seems like saying that if someone says they don't like any of the filler arcs from One Piece, then they don't like Oda, because as far as I know, he had similar influence in those.
Although 99% of the time I'm willing to be Oda's personal slave I can still admit he sucks the big one. Both the majority of films and filler are sad, sad experiences and I would be willing to say that for some of the worst of them, Oda should indeed be ashamed.
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WELL… just adding my two cents here.
I think DB was the best of the Dragon Ball series. The first two DB movies I saw way back in the 80s and I just thought it was great, great stuff. DB had an adventure feel to it whereas DBZ just turned into all out fight, fight, fight.
The problem with Z, as has been stated before, is that with all these new Saiyans and super powers, older, more established characters were pushed into the background and never reappeared. (Does anybody even remember Lunch? She's dating Tien one minute and disappears without a trace the next.) It also got repetitive in that, any time something bad happened, a person (or the whole planet) could just be wished back to life. In these two ways, I will say that Toriyama was a little weak in the writing department and I stick by that opinion. I think he's incredibly talented but rushed through a number of things and got caught up with all these Saiyan levels.
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Originally posted by GunMetal: Reloaded@Feb 27 2005, 06:00 PM
(Does anybody even remember Lunch? She's dating Tien one minute and disappears without a trace the next.)Heh, yeah. I read an interview where Toriyama admits he just forgot all about her.
Toei added her into the beginning of the DBZ anime at least (during the Saiyan saga…even though her appearances were cut out of the Saiyan saga dub...but that will change now that the uncut Saiyan Saga dvds are finally coming).
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Dragonball had charm. Dragonball Z, while enjoyable, was missing some of that all important charm. Much prefer the manga to the anime for DBZ.
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Speaking of repetitive, I think Z would have been much better if the story actually shifted focus. I was pretty disappointed when the Boo Saga had everyone wait for Goku to save their sorry asses again.
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Another thing about GT I noticed; is it just me, or did they try to make it like the original series? They made Goku into a kid again, had him and a handful (well, 2, 3 if you count the robot) of guys go on an adventure to collect the Dragonballs, and it made the Dragonballs into an actual part of the plot (not just at the start but at the very end), instead ofl ike in Z, where they were just deux ex machina that magically made everything better again.
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Yeah, I think GT was intended to return Dragonball to how it used to be. At least that was the goal I think.
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I'm positive it was. And hey, for a little while, it worked pretty well.
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Yeah, the series seemed alright until they got to the planet with the ROBOT MUTANTS.
I kind of liked the concept of there being a repercussion to overusing the Dragonballs, but I found the whole evil dragons arc to be stupid for some reason.
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I say GT sucks because Toriyama didn't do EVERYTHING with it, he only did SOME of it. A very, very, very little amount when compared to DragonBall and DragonBall Z.
And just because I don't like other Toriyama series like Sandland, Cowa, or Kajika, that doesn't mean that I don't like DragonBall, DragonBall Z, and Dr. Slump. Just because Toriyama is the author of something I don't like, doesn't mean Toriyama can't be the author of something I do like. -
Machine Mutant was weak and if anyone recalls, GT was actually extended to coincide with the release of Final Bout. Check the GT release schedule. Whereas DBZ traditionally had a few weeks off here and there not unlike One Piece, there were monster gaps in GT.
Super Android 17 was for the most part great for seeing old characters but made little sense and the last saga while at points weak was without doubt a better ending and more appropriate than Toriyama's original rushed conclusion. The last episode in particular is superior to 90% of the DB episodes and a fitting ending to a landmark series.
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Well, (little) Goku could have lost his memory and travelled back to the very first meeting with Bulma, and it still would've been better than DBZ's ending.
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Yeah, I heard something about Final Bout having a pretty big influence in GT's making.
I liked the Super 17 Saga JUST for having old characters return (well, I guess just Dr. Gero, he was a favorite of mine), but I hated how it seemed like the creators took every chance they could to bring Cell and Freeza back into the series, UGH. Mainly because I despised most of them (well, I didn't really get sick of Cell until the Cell Games).
I didn't really like the ending, but meh, I wasn't really paying attention when it was playing. I didn't understand why Goku had to leave with Shenron, though.
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Goku leaving with Shenron completed something Toriyama tried to do many times but fans never let him, let the world fend for itself without Goku to save its ass. It also removed the Dragon Balls from the mix. I couldn't think of a more beautiful ending. Goku deserved it more than anyone and like actress Nozawa said, she'd like to think Goku continues to live on in another world doing that which he loves most, fighting to be stronger :D
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Yeah, that does make sense…
I liked Goku going and saying goodbye to all of his friends, but I didn't like how he'd suddenly vanish. It made me feel bad for the people he was saying goodbye to.
