@Monkey:
I dont think fujitora tried very hard to keep Law down.
I think Law pretended that he can't use his DF so they feel safe about just pinning him to the ground
@Monkey:
I dont think fujitora tried very hard to keep Law down.
I think Law pretended that he can't use his DF so they feel safe about just pinning him to the ground
Sanji will have a near death experience and he will be saved by Ace fruit. It's the only way to fight with BB crew or other Yonkou, come on, they have more experience and time fighting and they have the best fruits in the world.
Gotta say - I really like Doflamingo as a character so far. He's far and away the most interesting villain we've ever had (I'm not really qualifying Kuzan as a villain in this sense); he's a former Tenryuubito, the descendant of an original WG family who's taken back his kingdom, he operates in a vast black market network and also wants to be the Pirate King? Damn. We've never had anyone with a backstory like that (though of course we'll likely learn more about Crocodile and Blackbeard down the line). I'm just comparing Doflamingo to just about every other villain - Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Wapol, Enel, Foxy, Lucci, Moria, whatever - and this is the first time (for me personally) that we've got an antagonist with such a relevant, interesting history (in a world-building sense).
I have a feeling that understanding more about Doffy's backstory, motives and goals is gonna be one of the most rewarding parts of this arc. I'm certainly hoping for some kind of flashback for him, no matter how brief.
On that note - anyone else find it curious that Law didn't know Doflamingo's heritage? Doffy apparently thought of him as a "little brother" and I guess Law was his subordinate for quite a while… Makes me wonder who in the Donquixote Family knows about it.
Have you read or seen game of thrones?
Jamie Lannister was the best swordsman in Westeros and then lost his swordhand in season 3. but it actually made him a more interesting character.
Game of thrones is a horrible story for people who like for the better men to prevail. Jamie and the Starks as well as other characters are the favorite characters. If you know anything about GOT, all of the favorite characters are going to be killed, sent into obscurity, or shit on in some other manner. Every good guy or good character in GOT is doomed. The Author loves killing off his best characters. I hate GOT for that. All the interesting stuff that can happen and the Author just decides to go for shock value of having every good guy fail miserably every single time. GOT has interesting characters, but it has major flaws because it kills off or banishes all the favorites.
@Monkey:
I dont think fujitora tried very hard to keep Law down.
Has any admiral ever expended more than the bare minimum in doing their job?
Dems are lazy people. It's in their job description
@wolfwoof:
Has any admiral ever expended more than the bare minimum in doing their job?
Dems are lazy people. It's in their job description
Um… Akainu seemed pretty vigorous about it
Game of thrones is a horrible story for people who like for the better men to prevail. Jamie and the Starks as well as other characters are the favorite characters. If you know anything about GOT, all of the favorite characters are going to be killed, sent into obscurity, or shit on in some other manner. Every good guy or good character in GOT is doomed. The Author loves killing off his best characters. I hate GOT for that. All the interesting stuff that can happen and the Author just decides to go for shock value of having every good guy fail miserably every single time. GOT has interesting characters, but it has major flaws because it kills off or banishes all the favorites.
None of the major characters' deaths are purely for shock value; they serve plot purpose. Same with most of 'shit going wrong.' It's not everyone's kind of story where main characters seemingly have to struggle so hard pretty much all the time, but that aspect of it is not bad writing.
There's only one thing to say about the great escape
http://s24.postimg.org/lsjo36dkl/captai_jaw_spalaw.gif
This and the Voilet one about cinnamon toast crunch made me laugh out loud.
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Oh? you also realise Oda was making it clear only Luffy could beat Arlong out of everyone in the crew back then? Then why are we arguing?
Because you are saying Sanji and Zoro are weak compared to luffy which is untrue. By your trying to use the enenies lobby power levels you are even going so far as to try to say they are roughly half his strength which is ludacrus.
Anyway i gtg. I'll be back later if you want to finish this.
Last words, this was the best chapter in awhile in my opinion.
Gotta say - I really like Doflamingo as a character so far. He's far and away the most interesting villain we've ever had (I'm not really qualifying Kuzan as a villain in this sense); he's a former Tenryuubito, the descendant of an original WG family who's taken back his kingdom, he operates in a vast black market network and also wants to be the Pirate King? Damn. We've never had anyone with a backstory like that (though of course we'll likely learn more about Crocodile and Blackbeard down the line). I'm just comparing Doflamingo to just about every other villain - Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Wapol, Enel, Foxy, Lucci, Moria, whatever - and this is the first time (for me personally) that we've got an antagonist with such a relevant, interesting history (in a world-building sense).
I have a feeling that understanding more about Doffy's backstory, motives and goals is gonna be one of the most rewarding parts of this arc. I'm certainly hoping for some kind of flashback for him, no matter how brief.
On that note - anyone else find it curious that Law didn't know Doflamingo's heritage? Doffy apparently thought of him as a "little brother" and I guess Law was his subordinate for quite a while… Makes me wonder who in the Donquixote Family knows about it.
I completely agree with your words. Dofla is so relevant that Oda already presented the consequences of his possibly fall (chaos and civil wars, for example). I dunno how it will work if he actually falls.
Because you are saying Sanji and Zoro are weak compared to luffy which is untrue. By your trying to use the enenies lobby power levels you are even going so far as to try to say they are roughly half his strength which is ludacrus.
I'm saying that it is an established idea that the big baddie of the arc is someone only Luffy can beat (in the crew). In other words, Zoro or Sanji could not. And that Arlong is the prime example of this.
And again, I'm not at all saying that the Power Levels given for Lucci, Kaku and Jyabra translate directly to the relative strengths of Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. It's just that, the numbers that Oda chose serve to say that Luffy's the strongest, then Zoro … then Sanji (just).
Oda isn't givivng Sanji any breaks.
Mera Mera consuption is looking more legit.
There's only one thing to say about the great escape
http://s24.postimg.org/lsjo36dkl/captai_jaw_spalaw.gif
This is hilarious.
Sanji will have a near death experience and he will be saved by Ace fruit. It's the only way to fight with BB crew or other Yonkou, come on, they have more experience and time fighting and they have the best fruits in the world.
An interesting idea I actually wouldn't mind seeing through. No matter how it happens though, I am eager to see Sanji take on Doflamingo, both to see the extent of Dofla's devil fruit ability, and to see the extent of Sanji's strength. Both of them have a chance (more likely Sanji) to get pushed to the limit in this upcoming battle.
The "it's a plot convenience" narrative is funny. Is there anything in One Piece that is not plot convenience? Violet DF is very interesting and OP. I won't mind that ability with the SHs but not interested in Nami senior sister. Law is a very intelligent fellow, I like that. I still don't see how this ends well for Sanji. Nami's group may be captured here.
Gotta say - I really like Doflamingo as a character so far. He's far and away the most interesting villain we've ever had (I'm not really qualifying Kuzan as a villain in this sense); he's a former Tenryuubito, the descendant of an original WG family who's taken back his kingdom, he operates in a vast black market network and also wants to be the Pirate King? Damn. We've never had anyone with a backstory like that (though of course we'll likely learn more about Crocodile and Blackbeard down the line). I'm just comparing Doflamingo to just about every other villain - Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Wapol, Enel, Foxy, Lucci, Moria, whatever - and this is the first time (for me personally) that we've got an antagonist with such a relevant, interesting history (in a world-building sense).
I have a feeling that understanding more about Doffy's backstory, motives and goals is gonna be one of the most rewarding parts of this arc. I'm certainly hoping for some kind of flashback for him, no matter how brief.
On that note - anyone else find it curious that Law didn't know Doflamingo's heritage? Doffy apparently thought of him as a "little brother" and I guess Law was his subordinate for quite a while… Makes me wonder who in the Donquixote Family knows about it.
Law left 10 years ago. Maybe he planned on telling him once he come to take the hearth seat.
There's only one thing to say about the great escape
http://s24.postimg.org/lsjo36dkl/captai_jaw_spalaw.gif
lol that's pretty good.
@wolfwoof:
Has any admiral ever expended more than the bare minimum in doing their job?
Dems are lazy people. It's in their job description
Well the dude was restraining. It's just that the story was so interesting he forgot to ask for the seastone.
@wolfwoof:
I wouldn't call running toward someone while yelling at them as form of suprise
well in OP world it kind of does heh
There's only one thing to say about the great escape
http://s24.postimg.org/lsjo36dkl/captai_jaw_spalaw.gif
Glorious my good sir.
Because I only just now skimmed your dumb ass post (with this I mean the lenght, not you!) over a devil fruit an (as of now) minor character has. Well, not that minor, since she does play an important role, but that's not the point. The point is, it's magic. I don't know why the hell somebody should get hung up on something like that, especially without having all the relevant information. And I just read dozens (yeah, I'm exaggerating) of your posts stating the same shit over and over again. That's why I'm making "such an ass out of myself". Because it's damn well warranted!
I'm not saying it's his most brilliant fruit, I'm just saying wait for more info. And then put it in context. Don't go crazy over something as insignificant as this.
Very well, if you insist. Let's dance.
First off, I know I called you an ass (it's an idiom, but regardless), but could you possibly not use straightforward offensive phrases like "dumbass shit" or "Fuck off" when quoting me. I'm not disputing whether your reaction is warranted or not, since it clearly is from your perspective, but I'm trying to discuss something here and that's kind of difficult when you get someone shouting at you and making you feel angry or offended. And I don't really like that feeling either. If you think my posts have been too long, you could have just said so. Although, I do think that they've been just as long as they needed to be to get my message across. I probably couldn't have said all I wanted to without making them so long. A bad habit of mine, really. And prior to this one there I have posted 19 times, so you're pretty right about the number too.
But to get to the point, I think that it is very important to ground everything in how your world works, even if it's fantasy. There is no magic, not even in One Piece. Magic is a term that people who don't think about these things use when they don't either want to or feel the need to go into detail. The fact is, however, that there simply have to be laws of nature and reality or else everything stops from working. If you think about the entire series, apart from Violet and maybe Law, there has not been a single DF ability that has been outright hax and beyond understanding. There is always something that either changes (the user's body, the location of the user's soul) or something that is created and controlled (the elements; the abilities) and all that makes sense because they don't break those laws, they merely stretch them. Oda even had Chopper talk about Devil Fruits and the waves they emit to explain how they work and to make sure it's understood that there are laws in place.
In Violet's case however, her fruit does break those laws. Or at least it looks like it does for now. And honestly, since she is a minor character and her fruit was already explained, I don't think there will be any on panel explanation as to how her ability works. She might not even understand it herself. There might be an explanation in an SBS, but that's it. And that's the one line no fantasy author should ever cross. Ever. It takes away all credibility from the world because the reader can never be sure what works and what doesn't, and, more importantly, it increases the chances of that happening again.
It upsets me a lot because Oda has been so meticulous about keeping those laws intact thus far, and that has been one of the things that makes One Piece as good as it is. It's been realistic in its own setting. But things are getting more and more rushed with each passing arc because Oda has too many characters for him to handle and because he wants to get to the end of the manga before he dies, and if one of the ways it shows is that he doesn't care about the laws of his world anymore, it's absolutely horrifying. One Piece could literally become too unrealistic to enjoy if he's allowed to get away with it. That's why I was despairing so much when the pun relation was discovered. The manga that we love is becoming simplified. No! I say no. That's not the One Piece that we enjoy.
This isn't just about one character, it goes much deeper than that. I'm afraid that Oda will compromise the quality of his own story to get it done. And that's a legitimate concern, in my honest opinion.
But DoFlamingo is smarter. Can't outmaneuver or overpower him.
If only life were that simple my friend.
Zoro might not be seen as VC inside the strawhat crew, but the rest of the one piece world sees him as the VC. How else would Barto know about him being the VC? He's getting that information from the newspapers.
I think Oda just did what people assumed of Urouge's dalouge from a faulty translation during the Saboady arc.
Bartolomeo assumes Zoro is the crew's Vice Captain, which is false in the official sense.
But is there any debate that he's Luffy's right hand man?
I was just thinking… how awesome would it have been if Doffy didn't block that attack? if Sanji actually managed to hit him..
Holy shit! I think I've figured out Doflamingo.
You know how he's always going on about the new age, where its your strenght that determines your place in the world. I think he's usually refering to the Celestial Dragons and how they feel entitled to rule the world because of their blood and its their destiny to do so, even though they are weak, pathetic indivividual who can't do shit for themsleves.
I think this why Doflamingo left, or at least part of it. The reason he wants to become Pirate King, is to basically bring about a new age where people won't bow and scrape beneath people who haven't earned their power, because everyone then will be strong willed enough to take what they want and not just accept that because of someones blood or destiny they are somehow inherently better than you.
He's decided to build an army against the Celestial dragons, thats why he's either trying to take away the Yonkou's strenght and use it for himself or somehow make them reliant on him enough to subordinate themsleves to him or become allies in a way. The moles in the marines are there so that when the time comes he can cripple the Dragons main force or better yet somehow turn the marines against them.
I don't know, seems like a plausible enough theory, plus it would make defeating Dofalmingo sort of a grey choice since in a way whatever he's doing or plans to do would benefit the world(he's basically a revolutionary, who knows maybe he's allied with Dragon)
Sanji Law comparison is stupid.
Sanji is a physical fighter and Law uses tricks.
If Donflamingo knows Law's tricks then he could easy beat him with superior haki, now he really have to put in an effort and take and throw punches.
It's not unthinkable Sanji will give Doffy a better fight then Law did.
lol that's pretty good.
Am I the only one that sees "404 - Not Found", or is that the joke?
I think Oda just did what people assumed of Urouge's dalouge from a faulty translation during the Saboady arc.
Bartolomeo assumes Zoro is the crew's Vice Captain, which is false in the official sense.
But is there any debate that he's Luffy's right hand man?
What right hand man?
like, what do you mean by that?
just.. what does the right hand man title means to you? The guy luffy trusts the most?
the guy who takes charge if Luffy isn't there?
the second strongest?
please answer me, I am really interested.
(he's basically a revolutionary, who knows maybe he's allied with Dragon)
This would be a trip.
But that story is saved for Sabo. :ninja:
Um… Akainu seemed pretty vigorous about it
Now that you mention it, he's like the only guy above vice-admiral whoever feels like doing anything throughly
That's it i'm launching a theory that says that Akainu is some sort of vampire that drains the other colored animals of their desire to do their job properly:ninja:
Well the dude was restraining. It's just that the story was so interesting he forgot to ask for the seastone.
Kind of looked like he was fishing don't you think.
Let's see if the Lawfish are biting today
well in OP world it kind of does heh
I'M COMING TO KICK YOU IN THE FACE! yells Sanji
If only i could figure out what he wants thinks Doffy
@wolfwoof:
Now that you mention it, he's like the only guy above vice-admiral whoever feels like doing anything throughly
That's it i'm launching a theory that says that Akainu is some sort of vampire that drains the other colored animals of their desire to do their job properly:ninja:
I think Kizaru also gets shit done. See how he basically took care of everyone in Sabaody.
Am I the only one that sees "404 - Not Found", or is that the joke?
Oh good, I was starting to worry that maybe it was just me.
I'm really enjoying the back-and-forth mind games that Law and Doflamingo are playing with each other.
I think Kizaru also gets shit done. See how he basically took care of everyone in Sabaody.
He didn't even bother to capture them, so I gotta say its just Akainu.
Am I the only one that sees "404 - Not Found", or is that the joke?
I think Kizaru also gets shit done. See how he basically took care of everyone in Sabaody.
I mostly remember him stumbling around struggling to understand the mechanics of a telephone
I mean he's violent and all, but being as stupid as he is he's not exactly reliable
@wolfwoof:
I mostly remember him stumbling around struggling to understand the mechanics of a telephone
I mean he's violent and all, but being as stupid as he is he's not exactly reliable
Yeah sure but at the end of the day if Rayleigh and Kuma weren't there, then their wouldn't have been any worst generation right now(actually the other marines and Sentoumaru dropped the ball on that one because they didn't restrain the defeated supernovas)
Sure he can't handle a phone but you can rely on him to diffuse a situation that's about to go….Supernova
Awesome episode. Can't wait for the next one.
I read the Mangainn and mangapanda versions within 30 secs of them being posted. I saw none of the errors you guys are spamming the forums about. I am 100% positive some of you guys read the chapter in 2 mins by skimming through it and making false assumptions then trying to post it as fact on here. I see this every single week. Sometimes there are errors, but you guys need to read the chapter more throughly. I understand that english isnt some people's first language and mistakes happen in those instances, but some of you guys give me headches. Read the chapter slower and stop arguing about power levels.
@wolfwoof:
Now that you mention it, he's like the only guy above vice-admiral whoever feels like doing anything throughly
That's it i'm launching a theory that says that Akainu is some sort of vampire that drains the other colored animals of their desire to do their job properly:ninja:
Kind of looked like he was fishing don't you think.
Let's see if the Lawfish are biting today
I'M COMING TO KICK YOU IN THE FACE! yells Sanji
If only i could figure out what he wants thinks Doffy
Meh how many times have we seen people yelling their attack moves or whatever before punching and ending up in surprising with a punch, just because they came into the scene from "no where"
I have no doubt Sanji is strong, but for his sake I still hope
fujitora stays out of this one
He does a good enough job of fighting DF not just buying some precious moments
Awesome episode. Can't wait for the next one.
Hehe why do you call them episodes? I'm not saying its wrong its just usually odd to see that.
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Meh how many times have we seen people yelling their attack moves or whatever before punching and ending up in surprising with a punch, just because they came into the scene from "no where"
Now that you're around, review?
Hehe why do you call them episodes? I'm not saying its wrong its just usually odd to see that.
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Now that you're around, review?
Umm, English is not my first language, so my word choices may differ sometimes.
I thought this episode was quite exciting, seeing Pica's subordinate who had a neat character design.
Kind of getting creepy obsession vibes from Bartolomeo this time around..
As for Fujitora, I thought he was your Classic One Piece Marine Admiral.
A bit clumsy, a bit bored with stuff. Don't think he let go of Law on purpose and hope to see him catch up in the next one.
@wolfwoof:
I mostly remember him stumbling around struggling to understand the mechanics of a telephone
I mean he's violent and all, but being as stupid as he is he's not exactly reliable
And when Apoo started attacking him, he stood there listening to the music.
I've always assumed that Zoro was the "first mate" or "right hand man." I don't get what the big deal is if he is.
anyway, I hope Sanji puts up a good fight. Before the time skip I would even venture to guess he was about weak vice admiral level. Hopefully he's now strong vice admiral level. B/c from here on out they will be facing people stronger than DD. He will have to be admiral level like Marco is/was, if he is to be a good support for Luffy.
Hehe why do you call them episodes? I'm not saying its wrong its just usually odd to see that.
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Now that you're around, review?
Sure tomorrow :)
Btw I liked the chapter
Sure tomorrow :)
Btw I liked the chapter
Figured you'd have mentioned it or not commented at all if you didn't.
@Toraish:
It upsets me a lot because Oda has been so meticulous about keeping those laws intact thus far, and that has been one of the things that makes One Piece as good as it is. It's been realistic in its own setting. But things are getting more and more rushed with each passing arc because Oda has too many characters for him to handle and because he wants to get to the end of the manga before he dies, and if one of the ways it shows is that he doesn't care about the laws of his world anymore, it's absolutely horrifying. One Piece could literally become too unrealistic to enjoy if he's allowed to get away with it. That's why I was despairing so much when the pun relation was discovered. The manga that we love is becoming simplified. No! I say no. That's not the One Piece that we enjoy.
This isn't just about one character, it goes much deeper than that. I'm afraid that Oda will compromise the quality of his own story to get it done. And that's a legitimate concern, in my honest opinion.
I know it's your opinion, but we? Who's we? It's just you that has a problem with it, buddy. Stop being so overdramatic. And there is no evidence that the story is being rushed, especially by just a harmless pun. You're just overanalyzing things, which by looking at your previous posts, you tend to do very often. Lighten up for once…
@Kyoji:
Well, considering DoFlamingo as one character with a very particular vision/opinion about the world and how the powers are related to rule it, I can easily see Doffla quitting Shichibukai by himself and going to the sea to try to create his own world: a world where you're not powerful based in your "bloodline" or "destiny", but a world where you become respected by your own power.
i like your post sir its sound something DoFlamingo would do
@Dummy:
I know it's your opinion, but we? Who's we? It's just you that has a problem with it, buddy. Stop being so overdramatic. And there is no evidence that the story is being rushed, especially by just a harmless pun. You're just overanalyzing things, which by looking at your previous posts, you tend to do very often. Lighten up for once…
It's not just this incident, that's been happening ever since Fishman Island. It started even earlier than that, but both Impel Down and Marineford were meant to be hectic from the very beginning so it's kind of hard to say what the actual starting point was. Buuut… that's a very different topic and warrants a whole new discussion in another thread.
... and lighten up? Me? Pssh, there is a reason my profile message used to be "Curmudgeon". I revel in this.
Be careful children. Don't get caught in his pace
The grump of Dryish shall not be underestimated
I have to admit that when I read the spoiler, I compared Violet's DF to Law's DF in my head.
And Sanji fans rejoiced everywhere