"Our bitch."
This chapter was great, I'm liking Karasuma more, and this discussion about teaching is nice, I wonder what will happen next in the story
"Our bitch."
This chapter was great, I'm liking Karasuma more, and this discussion about teaching is nice, I wonder what will happen next in the story
Fantastic chapter. And Asano really can be super creepy when he wants to. Such a good antagonist
I love the development in this chapter.
I love the emphasis on teaching in this chapter, and how uncertainty is part of the job. I can't wait to see more of the chairman too!
Translation's up :D Is AssClass getting better recently or am I imagining things?
I think your Avatar just made it 1000 times more awesome for me! I screamed when I saw Korotori!
Anyway, this series started off as just plain amusing for how different it was, and I feel that it's starting to settle a bit, but in a good way. The characters are getting developed really well now that we're out of the "student of the week" format, and that's really letting the mainstays shine. (Except Karma - where in the world has he skipped school to?!) I've absolutely LOVED Karasuma in these recent chapters and how he's learning from all of this as well. It's not just the students who get taught things when they're at school, and it's really nice to see that part showing in media. Maybe it's me being a teacher as well why I liked that so much, but I'm still happy regardless! And I know that Irina has had her lessons before, but I guess they don't feel as impactful as with Karasuma because, as the students put it, she's not their "teacher" or "instructor" to them. In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing where this manga will take itself in the coming chapters and hope that it does not disappoint!
I marathoned the fuck out of this and I am glad I did.
@NER:
I marathoned the fuck out of this and I am glad I did.
in what time did you finish the 42 chapters?
Well, after chapter 43 people will stop asking about Nagisa gender, even when is show how a boy since chapter 1.
If you guys were asked about the flaws of the series, what would you answer? :L I am asking because I see none so far.
@NER:
If you guys were asked about the flaws of the series, what would you answer? :L I am asking because I see none so far.
The art isn't that great.
Kurosensei is far more memorable than most of the rest of the cast, they're mostly pretty shallow and forgettable compared to him.
The student of the week plotlines get repetitive fast.
You read it all in one day so you sped right through the 25 chapters where absolutely nothing happened and came in when the plot started moving again. But there were a couple months there where at one chapter a week everyone was starting to not feel it anymore.
@RobbyBevard:
The art isn't that great.
Kurosensei is far more memorable than most of the rest of the cast, they're mostly pretty shallow and forgettable compared to him.
The student of the week plotlines get repetitive fast.
You read it all in one day so you sped right through the 25 chapters where absolutely nothing happened and came in when the plot started moving again. But there were a couple months there where at one chapter a week everyone was starting to not feel it anymore.
I see, I see, that makes a lot of sense.
If you can't find a flaw in a story, you're not looking hard enough.
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In addition to what Robby said, I often find myself questioning the logic and motivations of the characters. The world is supposedly at stake, but....a lot of times, they don't act like it.
Mind you, for the most part, those aren't major flaws. The art isn't bad to the point its distracting or anything, it's just not great to look at on it's own, and divorced from the story there wouldn't be much to it.
It's okay for Kurosensei to be the most interesting and memorable character, it's his story… as long as the series doesn't run too long. If its short-ish its okay to have one really memorable guy and a handful of okay characters, but I can't name any of the other cast off the top of my head aside from Nagisa, Asano, and Bitch-sensei... and that's not her real name. I can recall there's assassin teacher, evil assassin teacher, baseball playing kid, knife handling kid, robot girl, Kuro's "brother"... (And I know other readers might remember their names, but they aren't sticking for me.) .... but...
That's where the student of the week plots are a problem... but as long as the series stays on track and keeps moving the main tale along at regular intervals it's not too bad. If this series was going to run for 10 years the kids would have to be a lot more distinct and identifiable, but if its just going to be about Kuro teaching a class how to take care of themselves and better their lives while in preperation for whatever the hell the end game is going to be... it's fine. It's not truly about the students, but their situation.
In addition to what Robby said, I often find myself questioning the logic and motivations of the characters. The world is supposedly at stake, but….a lot of times, they don't act like it.
Especially the Asano, who spends most of his time trying to put down Class E, even though they're the only ones trying to save the world. Takaoka was a terrible character, too. Instead of doing his job, he spent his time trying to settle some petty grudge between him and Karasuma by mentally (and physically) abusing kids. Irina has been a joke since she first debuted (going out of her way to use live ammunition for her assassination attempt, when she was clearly told that it would have no effect) and that hasn't changed.
I'm not really feeling this manga anymore, so unless the plot (trying to stop the monster from destroying earth) moves along before chapter 50, I'm most likely going to drop it…
@RobbyBevard:
The student of the week plotlines get repetitive fast.
That's actually one of my favorite things in this manga. I think that it's a good way to develop the background and personality of each student of class E. Especially the secondary characters who probably won't be as important as Nagisa or Karma.
the fact that lots of the characters act so carefree in the face of the world's potential destroyer isn't really a flaw
i mean there's one thing in saying you don't like it; that's fine
but it is definitely Matsui's whole shtick and he's been doing that for a while. he knows what he's doing in that respect and he's pulling it off as he should
Asano sticks out to me as every time I see him do his thing, I keep thinking 'and he's named after the guy whose actions and subsequent seppuku starts the Ako vendetta'.
The world is supposedly at stake, but….a lot of times, they don't act like it.
As far as the students are concerned, I think it's perfectly normal.
Seeing how nice and helpful their teacher is contrary to everyone else, I think they don't believe at 100% that he will really destroy the Earth.
I think Matsui will develop this aspect later on.
I think the world destroying angle is actually really awkward and wasn't delivered the best way it could've been, but I think Matsui probably, in the planning stages, stopped caring about trying to make it seem convincing enough, or sensical enough, and just wanted to do a cool underground sensei deal (like I don't think any readers especially buy for a second that the world is threatened and that's kind of silly since that was why Korosensei came in to begin with?)
that's p. okay, at worst it's a rocky premise, at best it's just a rocky premise in the background
That's basically my only beef with the series and it's minor
That's actually one of my favorite things in this manga. I think that it's a good way to develop the background and personality of each student of class E. Especially the secondary characters who probably won't be as important as Nagisa or Karma.
Since we're bringing up issues with AssClass, I guess I'll bring up that stretch of the story when new characters kept appearing to assassinate Sensei instead of developing the already large cast. Admittedly the new characters had more personality/flair than the classroom characters, but still it was more or less the same story with different characters and got pretty repetitive. In that respect I gotta agree with Robby in that it got dull. Do agree with you though that the stories involving expanding the existing characters tend to be pretty varied.
the fact that lots of the characters act so carefree in the face of the world's potential destroyer isn't really a flaw
i mean there's one thing in saying you don't like it; that's fine
but it is definitely Matsui's whole shtick and he's been doing that for a while. he knows what he's doing in that respect and he's pulling it off as he should
Thanks for that vague explanation, I guess.
But I don't know what Matsui's "schtick" is. This is the first series I've read by him. I mean, I'm sort of familiar with Neuro, in that it's a really surreal and manic comic that can't really be taken at face value. But AssClass really isn't that surreal aside from Korosensei. Everything and everyone is relatively well-grounded in reality, so I expect them to act realistically. Now, I guess it's true that the kids could have some kind of Stockholm Syndrome thing going on, but you'd think they'd make that a plot point or that someone would show some concern about it.
Asano? Eh, I give him a pass because the guy's totally nuts and I love it.
As far as the students are concerned, I think it's perfectly normal.
Seeing how nice and helpful their teacher is contrary to everyone else, I think they don't believe at 100% that he will really destroy the Earth.
I think Matsui will develop this aspect later on.
That's a nice theory, and might make for an interesting story development. But it's still just a theory.
@RobbyBevard:
The art isn't that great.
Kurosensei is far more memorable than most of the rest of the cast, they're mostly pretty shallow and forgettable compared to him.
The student of the week plotlines get repetitive fast.
You read it all in one day so you sped right through the 25 chapters where absolutely nothing happened and came in when the plot started moving again. But there were a couple months there where at one chapter a week everyone was starting to not feel it anymore.
I did feel like that as well, though once I caught up I didn't have that problem. I guess I just needed a break from the series and a bit of a buffer ?
If you can't find a flaw in a story, you're not looking hard enough.
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In addition to what Robby said, I often find myself questioning the logic and motivations of the characters. The world is supposedly at stake, but....a lot of times, they don't act like it.
that's not more they can do about it,counting how OP korosensei is
Seeing a little too much Sicks in Asano.
I think it's less that the world is at stake and there's nothing anybody can do about it (so the cast just goes about being carefree) than it's just that as readers, we're told the world is at stake and nothing seems to support it other than all the people that the government seems to just be fuckin' throwing at Korosensei.
I kind of feel like the premise on that front is really superfluous
It wanted the assassination angle as well as this institutions vs korosensei angle and they aren't quite blending convincingly so there's nothing really to do but pretend that we can buy it and roll with it
It'll probably all come to light in a way that seems complete as far as plotting goes, but that's for the future.
Say, Aohige (or any one else with native or scholarly familiarity with the 47 Ronin), has there been any significance displayed in this series yet, beyond the fact that most family names seen here (Asano + the students of 3-E) come from the 47 Ronin?
…and come to think of it, what are the odds that Koro-sensei will be revealed to originally have been some guy with the family name of Kira?
@The:
I think it's less that the world is at stake and there's nothing anybody can do about it (so the cast just goes about being carefree) than it's just that as readers, we're told the world is at stake and nothing seems to support it other than all the people that the government seems to just be fuckin' throwing at Korosensei.
I kind of feel like the premise on that front is really superfluous
It wanted the assassination angle as well as this institutions vs korosensei angle and they aren't quite blending convincingly so there's nothing really to do but pretend that we can buy it and roll with it
It'll probably all come to light in a way that seems complete as far as plotting goes, but that's for the future.
but in fact the world is at stake only because korosensei threatened to destroy it.
it's not a process,is just that this strange monster said that he will destroy the entire world.
so the fact that "it doesn't seems like the world is at stake" it's totally normal,because those kids are the only one who can approach the monster,but the monster is the only living being who has treated them with care and affection since they were put in class E.
yeah,it's a strange position..but it's actually what being an assassin is..killing people without having anything against them
I like to think that threatening to destroy the earth was just part of a silly plan by Koro to keep his promise with that woman we saw in his short flashback; otherwise I doubt he would have been allowed to become the teacher of Class E.
and a lot of mangaka love to reuse ideas from their previous series, so I wouldn't be surprised if Koro ends up protecting the earth from a real threat, just like Neuro did in the Sicks Arc.
If you can't find a flaw in a story, you're not looking hard enough.
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In addition to what Robby said, I often find myself questioning the logic and motivations of the characters. The world is supposedly at stake, but....a lot of times, they don't act like it.
I read all of it in one day, so its true that I wasn't looking hard enough.
@Señor:
I like to think that threatening to destroy the earth was just part of a silly plan by Koro to keep his promise with that woman we saw in his short flashback
I assume as much too, but I don't think anyone else knows it.
Otherwise he's a far worse character then he was made out to be in hindsight.
Well that's basically the only option, like since nobody believes for a second Koro actually intends to blow up anything and we know he had some promise so tada
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I wonder when that'll actually show up
The series is kinda juggling student-of-the-weeks with developing the mainer side of the cast while slowly building up some forces around them like the principal (and a first real antagonist in the wannabe gym teacher helped give some focus). Seems like Korosensei's past is gonna be dropped little by little but idk.
If the series undergoes that assumed transformation that it'll eventually have more focus, things like thinking about the future would get easier. But it could also very well stay basically as is for a while too. boring circular thoughts that basically don't add to any discussion what a contributor i am
@The:
Well that's basically the only option, like since nobody believes for a second Koro actually intends to blow up anything and we know he had some promise so tada
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I wonder when that'll actually show up
The series is kinda juggling student-of-the-weeks with developing the mainer side of the cast while slowly building up some forces around them like the principal (and a first real antagonist in the wannabe gym teacher helped give some focus). Seems like Korosensei's past is gonna be dropped little by little but idk.
If the series undergoes that assumed transformation that it'll eventually have more focus, things like thinking about the future would get easier. But it could also very well stay basically as is for a while too. boring circular thoughts that basically don't add to any discussion what a contributor i am
I'm kinda worried about how popular it is, because that could very well convince Jump editors to force Matsui to stretch this series out way too much.
It will be interesting to see if they try it. I would like to think Bakuman's last arc taught them something.
It will be interesting to see if they try it. I would like to think Bakuman's last arc taught them something.
I recquires more info.
@No:
I recquires more info.
In the last arc of Bakuman, the Jump editors wanted the main characters to continue their manga, but the latter wanted to end it early as they felt it was the best time to do it. Ultimately, they were able to convince the editors to end early.
There is much speculation as to whether this arc was an allegory for Deathnote's run.
Chapter 43 has officially confirmed Nagisa's gender as male.
@All:
Chapter 43 has officially confirmed Nagisa's gender as male.
So did the first chapter.
RAW for chapter 43: http://raw.senmanga.com/Assassination_Classroom/43/1
@RobbyBevard:
So did the first chapter.
Honestly, I see Nagisa as a person.
Not male, not female, just a person.
Matsui's may not be the best artist in Jump but he's at least fairly decent. I have no freaking idea why he chose to draw the main character, which is meant to be male, with female eyes and shoulder/hips ratio.
He's been drawing Yako Katsuragi for way too long that he probably mixes proportions up with his main character. Though honestly, I don't know why he didn't simply make Nagisa a female from the start (probably either demographic reasons or the editor).
sometimes boys look girly
it's pretty zany
Yeah, but this is a fairly simple shounen story. There is nothing to be gained by making the main character a boy with girly features.
he he
There is nothing to be gained by making the main character a boy with girly features.
Of course there's shitloads to gain.
Fans.
Like me.
And judging from the responses of fans… it's working.
traps are delicious…yummy yum yum.
As someone who likes Nagisa quite a lot, I'm really glad AssClass isn't written by Imai Kami.
Fuck you, Imai.
perhaps having an all manly guy gaining assassination skills is not as interesting as seeing an girly "weakling" becoming the perfect assassin.
perhaps having an all manly guy gaining assassination skills is not as interesting as seeing an girly "weakling" becoming the perfect assassin.
This is what I'm thinking. A lot of shounen have strong and masculine heroes (looking at Goku and Toriko here) - although Nagisa does look a bit odd next to this standard, it's still a breath of fresh air nonetheless. I will admit that at first I did think Nagisa was a girl. Definitely wasn't expecting that badass "assassination" on Takaoka from him, but I did previously figure that Nagisa would have _some_ kind of special talent….it wasn't that though!
@All:
As someone who likes Nagisa quite a lot, I'm really glad AssClass isn't written by Imai Kami.
Fuck you, Imai.
A quick Google search brought up nothing. What'd he do?
yeah, that's pretty much why I like Nagisa. I just love it when shonen do something really unconventional, because they tend to be very formulaic, so seeing one of the meekest characters being the deadliest character is just a breath of fresh air. That's also why I love Morgiana from Magi and Mikasa from Shingeki No Kyojin, so grateful for having female characters who are legitimately kickass, not your usual glass cannon who needs to fight long-range
Although I'm sure someone who has already dozens of shonen doesn't even care about that anymore, lol