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    • Don Quichotte De Flamingo
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      @RomanceDawn:

      -Luffy holding Smoker's arm and Caeser's waist clarifies a lot of things. I should have know it was possible but it's good to be concrete about it. I hate to even think about it, but what part of the Logia would count as the body and what would not? Does that make sense? If Ceaser turned into a big cloud the size of a building, could Luffy grab or strike him anywhere?

      I guess so.
      How big the body may get because of the logia, the certain part a haki user touches has to have a corresponding body part which will get touched/it in that moment.
      It`s like Crocodile is in his sand form..spreading his sand makes it huges, but still every sand grain resembles one part of his body (like a cell or something like that)

      -Love seeing Franky marvel at Luffy's abilities. We've seen that with Zoro once, but for a moment I thought it was Nami in Franky saying all that. The barrel reference was hilarious. Certainly Franky would want to gain the use of Haki for himself, but if he incorporated sea stone into his arsenal that would really set him apart from the Monster Trio.

      -As for the mystery man I'm going to say it's the guy who talked with Doflamingo about Moriah after the war. Who I believe is Joker. Seems in both instances they were involved with news papers getting the wrong headlines. Either him or Vegapunk. Please please please please show us Vegapunk soon Oda! I wan't to know what DF really are!

      Franky having seastones in his body sounds awesome, but i guess then Oda already would have make plenty of jokes making Franky touch his crewmates tomake them weak all the time 🙂

      Your idea of Joker being the WG-agent sounds good for me.
      He didn`t make a damn strong impression to me while we saw him talking with DoFlamingo, but i would love to see getting that mysterious guy back in the story like that!

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        Did anyone notice Monet's eye being black on the last page?

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          For those saying that The "black eye" on Monet is her ability being used on Law; Wouldn't Law go like "What are you doing!?" and why would she bother to act surprised "Law? What is it? You seem to be in pain." The black eye is most likely the shading.

          Mystery man is definitely DoFlamingo (who after time skip wears a tuxedo and walks up straight).

          With the DoFla joke made I can go to serious predictions: My personal thought is that the mysterious man is Vega Punk. Im also pretty sure CC just pushed out all the oxygen from Luffys lungs.

          Supporter of the "Fire-Cutting Style" theory. Sympathizer of the "Cerberus" theory.

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            It's aokiji,there's ice smoke on the last page.

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              Maybe the last phrase "You've Grown Law" isn't meant literally and instead implies "growth in Power".

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                The mystery man is clearly Law's father, Gin :ninja:

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                  @kouch_lee:

                  Seriously, I re-readed the whole auction house part of the Sabaody Arc just yesterday, and if Law is an ex-slave of a Tenryubito, then Oda didn't plan for it, or he didn't give away any hint at all from Law's behaviour. He was completely relaxed, indifferent and even acted badass and cool. It just doesn't add up for me that he's an ex slave, even more looking how he's shitting his pants at this supposed "ex master" appearing before him, when back then we didn't show any emotion, other than being slightly amused by Luffy punching a Tenryubito in front of him, and very little else.

                  Hell, just look at Boa, she fucking despised the Tenryubito, and just talking about their pasts as slaves was enough to make Sandersonia (or was it Marigold?) almost faint. It's not something you can fake by being completely relaxed, indifferent and not giving a shit about watching a slave auction with 3 Tenryubito under the same roof as you. . .

                  This is all true, so… Maybe this is the reason why Law is alone.
                  What if the Tenryūbito were targeting Law's crew because of Jean Bart, and Law was only exempt because of his Shichi status?

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                    @Dark-Abel:

                    The mystery man is clearly Law's father, Gin :ninja:

                    No it's obviously Pearl…

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                      Aokiji is Joker.

                      After the fight with Akainu, and Aokiji lost, Aokiji 'became' deformed–mostly his face--and somewhat crazy. (This would mirror the Joker from Batman--hence his name--in various ways). lololololol =P

                      Oh God, and he even looks like the Harvey Dent in BTAS. I love this!

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                      How can you say no to that beautiful face?! Vote for Elder Nyon in the 2011 AP Tournament!!!

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                        @Dark-Abel:

                        The mystery man is clearly Law's father, Gin :ninja:

                        !

                        @Spartan:

                        No it's obviously Pearl…

                        …....

                        !

                        But seriously. I'd be happy with him being Vegapunk, Joker, or a new character.

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                          One week break, next chapter out in two weeks.

                          So basically you're trying to tell me it's a two week break without making me eat my brain in despair at how long I must wait?
                          oh well, by the time it's out I'll be out of college . u .
                          we break up next week ftw ❤
                          butyeah…
                          CAN'T WAIT
                          I CAN BARELY HOLD ALL THESE FEELS
                          WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE FEELS
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                          For those saying that The "black eye" on Monet is her ability being used on Law; Wouldn't Law go like "What are you doing!?" and why would she bother to act surprised "Law? What is it? You seem to be in pain." The black eye is most likely the shading.

                          Mystery man is definitely DoFlamingo (who after time skip wears a tuxedo and walks up straight).

                          With the DoFla joke made I can go to serious predictions: My personal thought is that the mysterious man is Vega Punk. Im also pretty sure CC just pushed out all the oxygen from Luffys lungs.

                          What if he didn't notice?

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                          The mystery man is clearly Law's father, Gin :ninja:

                          BITCHES BE STEALIN' MAH THEORIES.
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                          EDIT: [/derp'd]
                          my theory was that Gin was Law's brother < u >
                          hurp

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                            i don't think there's a connection between luffy and law falling at all, luffy grabbed his throat and law touched his heart, nothing was mentioned that it was at the same time either, although it was obviously close.

                            And while luffy's "defeat" was caused by CC it seems to me the man of mystery could easily have some sort of ability or power over law, but until he showed himself law didn't know who it was, so i'd go with the first.

                            Veni, Vedi, Vici.

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                              This man, in my opinion, is the old man talking to Dofla, after he failed to kill Moria.
                              Just a hunch.

                              About, why Luffy's down? It's the gas gas no mi, not the poison gas poison gas no mi. It's potentially more broken than a blood blood fruit, and it's a fucking logia.
                              Luffy was obviously rash in jumping him, but he would've won, had he had a fucking barrel.
                              I think Ceaser simply took away the oxygen in Luffy's air, making him slowly breath out. It's the worse against Luffy, seeing how Gear 2 fastens his metabolism.

                              I'm still in the group that thinks this Ceaser is just as nuts as Luffy is. He's not being stupid by braggin out load in a clichê monologue. He's just strong enough to do it without being in danger.

                              Now, I hope Robin and Franky just deal with it masterfully.
                              IMHO, Robin will just still some Sea Stone scuffles from the marines (or maybe the Rev's gave her some) and lock Ceaser up, while Franky distracts Ceaser with his Cola powered body. He will old up just long enough, and then pass out (Remember Ceaser doesn't want to kill him).

                              This would be sweet, but I doubt any mangaka will have the guts to make the companions win what the captain didn't.
                              Chopper will get mistaken for a tedy bear by the mysterious man, and Monet (knowing who he is) will keep him, saying she finds him cute. And from there we will find more about her character.

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                                punk hazard II : where the f*** is chopper?? a whole new arc. Since fire blew up the slime pieces and ceasar seems to use explosions as finishing attacks, perhaps franky can just shoot him with a laser and he'll blow up. it would be funny if he accidently killed him then law's plan was dead.

                                Veni, Vedi, Vici.

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                                  What if he didn't notice?

                                  Do you mean that he didn't notice it was her doing? Well he said he needed her ability a few pages ago. That means he either meant her flying ability or her [other] ability which means he did know about her other power.

                                  Do I get my point through?

                                  Supporter of the "Fire-Cutting Style" theory. Sympathizer of the "Cerberus" theory.

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                                    Whose saying the lines "Don't touch him you small fries!!!) at page 10? Brownbeard?

                                    Pirates : Best Pirate game ever

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                                      @obihal:

                                      Whose saying the lines "Don't touch him you small fries!!!) at page 10? Brownbeard?

                                      Brownbeard is dead foo'!
                                      Get with the picture!
                                      It's Ceasar I think…
                                      or Smoshigi.
                                      Idefk.
                                      Probably Ceasar XD

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                                      Do you mean that he didn't notice it was her doing? Well he said he needed her ability a few pages ago. That means he either meant her flying ability or her [other] ability which means he did know about her other power.

                                      Do I get my point through?

                                      Yes, but I meant what if he didn't notice her using her ability?

                                      ALSO ALLOW ME TO SAY THIS: people keep saying that Monet seems 'really concerned' about Law…
                                      buuullllshiiiitttt
                                      she's being sarcastic, foo'!

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                                        first.. let me get this thing clear.
                                        who is monet?
                                        i think she's not one of law's creation, coz if she is, she would obey law and not act like a mysterious character.
                                        she might already half bird half human since beginning. question is, who made her like that?
                                        my guess is vegapunk. Not CC, coz if he can do it in the past, law wouldn't have help him.
                                        and why monet was smiling at the last page? because it's someone she knew.. Again, the person is vegapunk.
                                        Aokiji??…. It'll be a big shock if it's him. Though oda must explain clearly why Aokiji become a bad fellow..

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                                          Brownbeard is dead foo'!
                                          Get with the picture!
                                          It's Ceasar I think…
                                          or Smoshigi.
                                          Idefk.
                                          Probably Ceasar XD

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                                          Yes, but I meant what if he didn't notice her using her ability?

                                          ALSO ALLOW ME TO SAY THIS: people keep saying that Monet seems 'really concerned' about Law...
                                          buuullllshiiiitttt
                                          she's being sarcastic, foo'!

                                          But if he knew about her ability then wouldn't he notice if it was used on him? Also damn you zachri! When I saw those panels with Law bleeding and shit my first thought was "zachri is gonna go coco bananas on this!"! Give me back my innocence!

                                          Supporter of the "Fire-Cutting Style" theory. Sympathizer of the "Cerberus" theory.

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                                            @kirei_lanford:

                                            first.. let me get this thing clear.
                                            who is monet?
                                            i think she's not one of law's creation, coz if she is, she would obey law and not act like a mysterious character.
                                            she might already half bird half human since beginning. question is, who made her like that?
                                            my guess is vegapunk. Not CC, coz if he can do it in the past, law wouldn't have help him.
                                            and why monet was smiling at the last page? because it's someone she knew.. Again, the person is vegapunk.
                                            Aokiji??…. It'll be a big shock if it's him. Though oda must explain clearly why Aokiji become a bad fellow..

                                            Didn't we see her without wings in the flashback? That would imply wings are Law's doing. Or did I just see wrong?

                                            "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

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                                              have been a member for a long time but first time posting. i hear everbody trying to speculate who the mistery man in the lab coat is but anybody remember when law and cc was talking about the kids escaping and cc mention that they cant get far because of a certain drugs he gave them and law reply to him was that he was nasty and he remind him of someone from his past. I think that the person from law past is the mistery person

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                                                @Waboshi:

                                                But if he knew about her ability then wouldn't he notice if it was used on him? Also damn you zachri! When I saw those panels with Law bleeding and shit my first thought was "zachri is gonna go coco bananas on this!"! Give me back my innocence!

                                                Truedat…
                                                then again, I don't think it is her ability... her ability might be something else < u > idefk
                                                though isn't it funny how it seemed to grow 'stronger' the closer the guy got?

                                                INDEED I DID GO COCO BANANAS
                                                but I had to keep my tits calm
                                                Calm my tits, even.
                                                Cause I was in college when I read it and I just wanted to squee and derp and yell and just
                                                well
                                                go coco bananas
                                                but srsly
                                                ALL OF THESE FEELS
                                                I CANNOT CONTAIN THEM ALL AT ONCE < A >
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                                                  have been a member for a long time but first time posting. i hear everbody trying to speculate who the mistery man in the lab coat is but anybody remember when law and cc was talking about the kids escaping and cc mention that they cant get far because of a certain drugs he gave them and law reply to him was that he was nasty and he remind him of someone from his past. I think that the person from law past is the mistery person

                                                  You are quite right!In fact your comment make me think once again of my Vegapunk theory. Oda never refers to something or someone just for fun,especialy in an Epic Arc like this one.I remember how many conversations where spent about the figure of the huge man in the edge of the lake (revealed to him been brownbeard).I suppose this will happen again with Vegapunk's picture above Kuma's head.After all,its now or never :P. After all,how Law came at first place in the island?What was his purpose?Its clear to me he had some previous connection or info of the island's secret laboratories!The only way to have such knowledge is to know an inside guy.My guess is Vegapunk,but maybe there's also another scientist that Law knew from his past.

                                                  p.s concerning the law family theory, i think there is good chance that the mysterious guy has some sentimental connection with Law (either being a sibling or a guy that had some kind of control over Law) because traffy seems to be displeasantly surprised(as his plans are ruined) when he understands who he is whereas the mystery man shows some kind of interest in him telling "Law u have gotten so big".How many years has it been? (so i am guessing sibling or teacher)

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                                                    Chopper will get mistaken for a tedy bear by the mysterious man, and Monet (knowing who he is) will keep him, saying she finds him cute. And from there we will find more about her character.

                                                    A TRIPLE agent? 😧

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                                                      A TRIPLE agent? 😧

                                                      An agent within an agent with an agent; AGECEPTION!!!

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                                                        Gas gas fruit is stronger from Magellan fruit…And i mean for the poison.It's is more effective than Magellan's poison!That's why he said"do not compare me with Magellan",his poison is stronger!!

                                                        Click my dragon, help it grow!

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                                                            Outstanding…. /10char

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                                                              If this is joker then he's not the pencil pushing elite I thought he was, he's top tier

                                                              I was really thinking joker would be the guy who ordered doflamingo but he doesn't look like him at all, or sound like him (you know what I mean!)

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                                                                An agent within an agent with an agent; AGECEPTION!!!

                                                                You mean… She's bonney's daughter in law?? yeah, I know, I suck

                                                                I think she betrays know one and everyone at the same time,
                                                                she means no harm, she just wants to have some fun.
                                                                Swearing loyalty to know one, like a bird
                                                                But to many as a woman
                                                                Expressing her feelings as she feels them
                                                                Painting them in this worldy canvas
                                                                Expressionism and romantism
                                                                An expression of color and adventure...

                                                                Yeah, it's 2 AM, I should be sleeping not making half-stupid half-dumb poems.
                                                                But she's called Monet, and his half-bird. Couldn't avoid referencing that. :<
                                                                Well just take it as if it was prose, it doesn't rhime or anything.

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                                                                  Didn't we see her without wings in the flashback? That would imply wings are Law's doing. Or did I just see wrong?

                                                                  please remind me with a picture? sometimes i forgot details like tat.
                                                                  but she is indeed suspicious character. that's where my assumption come from. If she's really someone that only law's power could made of why she act so mysteriously? she should be thankful and follow w/o objection (i compare her to Brown dude)

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                                                                    @Galaxy:

                                                                    Cliff Hangers like this are fine. Also, the past few weeks have had no cliffhangers, except maybe the alliance one, but you may as well call the end of every chapter a cliffhanger if you think that way.

                                                                    Also this isn't the early arc stage anymore, and would you rather the Straw Hats just faceroll everyone and have no problems at all?

                                                                    each chapter in manga seems to end in seemingly a cliffhanger.

                                                                    And do I want them to steamroll the enemies? no, just annoyed with the cliche start up for every arc in every manga ever written. The main cast arrives, gets curbstomped by the enemy, cliffhanger of "OMG are they dead" week after week, then finally they start to fight back.

                                                                    First we have Zoro and crew supposedly dead from attack, then we have smoker seemingly die, now luffy taken down. I'm sure there were others. Heck half the crew got taken out by gas to start the arc. I'm just bored with it right now. Want to rush through this stupid "OMG he got beat" part and just get to the retaliation part. Its just too annoying and cliche. I mean how many times does the main cast have be unconscious and the enemies NOT kill them. I mean just take a freaking knife and slit their throats while they are down. BUT NO, they don't. Its an annoying as hell thing that manga can't seem to get past for beginning arcs. I hate it when they constnatly leave hte hero's in a state where they could be killed by a 2 year old yet the bad guys don't kill them. Either kill a hero or have the defeat be a situation where the heroes where not within throat slitting range. Whether its they dissapear in the depths of the ocean, covered by an avalanche, fell off a cliff, ect. But I hate how they would be say laying in the enmies footprints or laying next to the bad guy, or thrown in jail, ect. These super evil bad guys sure are nice and just let unconcious people live.

                                                                    There are better ways to showcase a villians powers and strength than to have him kick the heroes ass in the beginning arc and yet let them just live while unconscious.

                                                                    Its like how half the arcs in any manga are a RESCUE arc. WHY THE HELL ARE THERE RESCUE ARCS. Why are these super villaisn bent on killing everyone and ruling the world so keen on holding one person hostage.

                                                                    The chapter was great until Luffy went down defeated. Just like the chapters where the other strawhats were "presumably dead" If this were fairy tail, it would be like a great chapter and Jeral showing up last page. No matter how good chapter was, he somehow ruins it all. Thats what these stupid "cliche defeats" do to chapters. We know the heroes win in the end, we know the villian will for some unknown reason NOT kill Luffy. So its just annoying. In this case there are other strawhats around that could save LUffy, so it might not be that bad, but there have been plenty of situations that there is no reason the person should still be alive.

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                                                                      Isn't that what happened on Fishman island. They went all out pretty much from the beginning. Zoro also used a finishing blon Hody right away.

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                                                                        Has anyone thought that Monet's ability is just her plain ability to fly? And gather information very effectively? (oh wait its too boring to be a guess on a fan forum…)

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                                                                          Has anyone thought that Monet's ability is just her plain ability to fly? And gather information very effectively? (oh wait its too boring to be a guess on a fan forum…)

                                                                          That's kind of obvious for her ability. Like saying how will Luffy be able to attack CC. It does seem as if she's holding something back though.

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                                                                            each chapter in manga seems to end in seemingly a cliffhanger.

                                                                            And do I want them to steamroll the enemies? no, just annoyed with the cliche start up for every arc in every manga ever written. The main cast arrives, gets curbstomped by the enemy, cliffhanger of "OMG are they dead" week after week, then finally they start to fight back.

                                                                            First we have Zoro and crew supposedly dead from attack, then we have smoker seemingly die, now luffy taken down. I'm sure there were others. Heck half the crew got taken out by gas to start the arc. I'm just bored with it right now. Want to rush through this stupid "OMG he got beat" part and just get to the retaliation part. Its just too annoying and cliche. I mean how many times does the main cast have be unconscious and the enemies NOT kill them. I mean just take a freaking knife and slit their throats while they are down. BUT NO, they don't. Its an annoying as hell thing that manga can't seem to get past for beginning arcs. I hate it when they constnatly leave hte hero's in a state where they could be killed by a 2 year old yet the bad guys don't kill them. Either kill a hero or have the defeat be a situation where the heroes where not within throat slitting range. Whether its they dissapear in the depths of the ocean, covered by an avalanche, fell off a cliff, ect. But I hate how they would be say laying in the enmies footprints or laying next to the bad guy, or thrown in jail, ect. These super evil bad guys sure are nice and just let unconcious people live.

                                                                            There are better ways to showcase a villians powers and strength than to have him kick the heroes ass in the beginning arc and yet let them just live while unconscious.

                                                                            Its like how half the arcs in any manga are a RESCUE arc. WHY THE HELL ARE THERE RESCUE ARCS. Why are these super villaisn bent on killing everyone and ruling the world so keen on holding one person hostage.

                                                                            The chapter was great until Luffy went down defeated. Just like the chapters where the other strawhats were "presumably dead" If this were fairy tail, it would be like a great chapter and Jeral showing up last page. No matter how good chapter was, he somehow ruins it all. Thats what these stupid "cliche defeats" do to chapters. We know the heroes win in the end, we know the villian will for some unknown reason NOT kill Luffy. So its just annoying. In this case there are other strawhats around that could save LUffy, so it might not be that bad, but there have been plenty of situations that there is no reason the person should still be alive.

                                                                            Yep. In One Piece the heroes always live, except when they don't. Whitebeard died, and Ace died.
                                                                            Luffy lost Aokiji. Luffy lost to the three admirals (duh). It isn't like Luffy has won every time.

                                                                            You have to keep in in mind CC essentially tried bombing the shit out of Luffy. I reckon he will try to kill him next chapter, but Robin/Franky will intervene in some way.

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                                                                              Yep. In One Piece the heroes always live, except when they don't. Whitebeard died, and Ace died.
                                                                              Luffy lost Aokiji. Luffy lost to the three admirals (duh). It isn't like Luffy has won every time.

                                                                              You have to keep in in mind CC essentially tried bombing the shit out of Luffy. I reckon he will try to kill him next chapter, but Robin/Franky will intervene in some way.

                                                                              You forgot about B. Kuma 'defeating' the entire crew 2 times.

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                                                                                That's kind of obvious for her ability. Like saying how will Luffy be able to attack CC. It does seem as if she's holding something back though.

                                                                                Yeah I know there might be more, but everyone is jumping to these massive assumptions about her abilities, I'm just starting low and hoping to be suprised/ amazed and not let down.

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                                                                                  Yep. In One Piece the heroes always live, except when they don't. Whitebeard died, and Ace died.
                                                                                  Luffy lost Aokiji. Luffy lost to the three admirals (duh). It isn't like Luffy has won every time.

                                                                                  You have to keep in in mind CC essentially tried bombing the shit out of Luffy. I reckon he will try to kill him next chapter, but Robin/Franky will intervene in some way.

                                                                                  Whiteberad, Ace and others are not the strawhats. The real series protagonists. Thus they do not count.

                                                                                  I'm not talking about them needing to win, I'm talking about their better be a damn good reason for not cutting off the heroes head to make sure he is dead.

                                                                                  Such as Aokiji had some honor reason due to the duel, Garp, Robin, ect.

                                                                                  Or not killing Franky and Robin cause one has knowledge needed and other knows of blueprints.

                                                                                  Or CP9 honoring Robin's agreement not to kill them.

                                                                                  Or Moria needed them alive to have their shadows.

                                                                                  Otherwise it just annoys me when there is no damn good reason the heroes should be alive when these super bad villians end up beating them. Take Hodi. Why did he just show Zoro, Brook and usopp on the monitor in some room that was goingt o fill with water to show Luffy that he is so much superior. Why not show a picture of Zoro, Brook and usopp's head on a spike instead? Why didn't enel just take his staff and make it pointed and walk over and stab Zoro, Robin, GanFall, and so on in the chest after he knocked them unconscious. Why did arlong throw Zoro in some room tied up and not just kill him? If it was any other random Human he would have killed him, but Zoro got plot armor in that scene. Or the amazon females not killing Luffy as soon as they were told he was a guy. Its their Law.

                                                                                  I'm not against heroes losing, I'm against villains not killing them without a good reason. Just like in this arc, leaving Zoro, Sanji and Brook just laying their in the snow. Or throwing Sanji, Franky, nami, ect in a jail cell instead of killing them. Or now with Luffy. There better be a good reason he is not just killed right now. Seeng as Franky and nami are still there I have hope that it gets resolved better than the bad guy just walking away with a speech of "no one has ever survived that poison" scenerio. That would piss me off.

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                                                                                  You forgot about B. Kuma 'defeating' the entire crew 2 times.

                                                                                  He had a reason for not killing them though. He was Daddy's buddy.

                                                                                  As i just posted above. I need reason to not have someone killed.

                                                                                  A super badass, evil, insane, mass murdering villian just leaving someone laying around that they "THOUGHT" they killed just annoys me.

                                                                                  But what do you guys care why i find this beginning arc part annoying for or not. If your fine with them then so be it. I'm just explaining why I'm annoyed right now. Sure there is other things going on, but its hard for me to enjoy them when all I can think about is the fact that so and so should be dead right now.

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                                                                                    Whiteberad, Ace and others are not the strawhats. The real series protagonists. Thus they do not count.

                                                                                    I'm not talking about them needing to win, I'm talking about their better be a damn good reason for not cutting off the heroes head to make sure he is dead.

                                                                                    Such as Aokiji had some honor reason due to the duel, Garp, Robin, ect.

                                                                                    Or not killing Franky and Robin cause one has knowledge needed and other knows of blueprints.

                                                                                    Or CP9 honoring Robin's agreement not to kill them.

                                                                                    Or Moria needed them alive to have their shadows.

                                                                                    Otherwise it just annoys me when there is no damn good reason the heroes should be alive when these super bad villians end up beating them. Take Hodi. Why did he just show Zoro, Brook and usopp on the monitor in some room that was goingt o fill with water to show Luffy that he is so much superior. Why not show a picture of Zoro, Brook and usopp's head on a spike instead? Why didn't enel just take his staff and make it pointed and walk over and stab Zoro, Robin, GanFall, and so on in the chest after he knocked them unconscious. Why did arlong throw Zoro in some room tied up and not just kill him? If it was any other random Human he would have killed him, but Zoro got plot armor in that scene. Or the amazon females not killing Luffy as soon as they were told he was a guy. Its their Law.

                                                                                    I'm not against heroes losing, I'm against villains not killing them without a good reason. Just like in this arc, leaving Zoro, Sanji and Brook just laying their in the snow. Or throwing Sanji, Franky, nami, ect in a jail cell instead of killing them. Or now with Luffy. There better be a good reason he is not just killed right now. Seeng as Franky and nami are still there I have hope that it gets resolved better than the bad guy just walking away with a speech of "no one has ever survived that poison" scenerio. That would piss me off.

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                                                                                    He had a reason for not killing them though. He was Daddy's buddy.

                                                                                    As i just posted above. I need reason to not have someone killed.

                                                                                    A super badass, evil, insane, mass murdering villian just leaving someone laying around that they "THOUGHT" they killed just annoys me.

                                                                                    But what do you guys care why i find this beginning arc part annoying for or not. If your fine with them then so be it. I'm just explaining why I'm annoyed right now. Sure there is other things going on, but its hard for me to enjoy them when all I can think about is the fact that so and so should be dead right now.

                                                                                    Shonen…doesn't seem like your "cup of tea" when it comes to anime. Nearly all shonen follows a similar pattern.

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                                                                                      I'm not gonna make any speculation about who the mystery man is, having a week break this place is gonna go crazy with speculation.
                                                                                      But..

                                                                                      Whatever Monet's ability is, she used it while spying on Usopp and them which makes me really wonder what it is.:

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                                                                                        I've got a bunch of things to say about this chapter and the speculation that's been going around, but! I'm lazy so I'll just leave this hear enough though it's probably been brought up..

                                                                                        Whatever her ability is, she's used it previously without us even knowing:
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                                                                                        It's Hades' "Devil Eye" ability from Fairy Tail; obviously… lololololol

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                                                                                          It's Hades' "Devil Eye" ability from Fairy Tail; obviously… lololololol

                                                                                          …F..F-airy...Tail??


                                                                                          We've only really seen her eye's up close in those two pictures, the others are small and blurred. And not being able to see the left eye in the first panel makes me wonder why Oda covered it with hair to then later show the right eye the same way but only have it be black.

                                                                                          So why did he cover it in the first panel? Does her ability differ for each eye?

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                                                                                            I'm not gonna make any speculation about who the mystery man is, having a week break this place is gonna go crazy with speculation.
                                                                                            But..

                                                                                            Whatever Monet's ability is, she used it while spying on Usopp and them which makes me really wonder what it is.:
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                                                                                            Yeah, her eyes didn't turn black, they were always black… wtf, people in this forum are halucinating... I thought I was missing something, but it seems like I wasn't.

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                                                                                              Yeah, her eyes didn't turn black, they were always black… wtf, people in this forum are halucinating... I thought I was missing something, but it seems like I wasn't.

                                                                                              Her entire eyeball wasn't always black though, she has the outer black pupil thing, but why is the right eye black in the first panel and the left black in the second?

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                                                                                                Whiteberad, Ace and others are not the strawhats. The real series protagonists. Thus they do not count.

                                                                                                I'm not talking about them needing to win, I'm talking about their better be a damn good reason for not cutting off the heroes head to make sure he is dead.

                                                                                                Such as Aokiji had some honor reason due to the duel, Garp, Robin, ect.

                                                                                                Or not killing Franky and Robin cause one has knowledge needed and other knows of blueprints.

                                                                                                Or CP9 honoring Robin's agreement not to kill them.

                                                                                                Or Moria needed them alive to have their shadows.

                                                                                                Otherwise it just annoys me when there is no damn good reason the heroes should be alive when these super bad villians end up beating them. Take Hodi. Why did he just show Zoro, Brook and usopp on the monitor in some room that was goingt o fill with water to show Luffy that he is so much superior. Why not show a picture of Zoro, Brook and usopp's head on a spike instead? Why didn't enel just take his staff and make it pointed and walk over and stab Zoro, Robin, GanFall, and so on in the chest after he knocked them unconscious. Why did arlong throw Zoro in some room tied up and not just kill him? If it was any other random Human he would have killed him, but Zoro got plot armor in that scene. Or the amazon females not killing Luffy as soon as they were told he was a guy. Its their Law.

                                                                                                I'm not against heroes losing, I'm against villains not killing them without a good reason. Just like in this arc, leaving Zoro, Sanji and Brook just laying their in the snow. Or throwing Sanji, Franky, nami, ect in a jail cell instead of killing them. Or now with Luffy. There better be a good reason he is not just killed right now. Seeng as Franky and nami are still there I have hope that it gets resolved better than the bad guy just walking away with a speech of "no one has ever survived that poison" scenerio. That would piss me off.

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                                                                                                He had a reason for not killing them though. He was Daddy's buddy.

                                                                                                As i just posted above. I need reason to not have someone killed.

                                                                                                A super badass, evil, insane, mass murdering villian just leaving someone laying around that they "THOUGHT" they killed just annoys me.

                                                                                                But what do you guys care why i find this beginning arc part annoying for or not. If your fine with them then so be it. I'm just explaining why I'm annoyed right now. Sure there is other things going on, but its hard for me to enjoy them when all I can think about is the fact that so and so should be dead right now.

                                                                                                Ceaser put them in a cell because he needs test subjects. That's the reason why he abducted them in the first place, lol.
                                                                                                About Enel, that arc deeply annoyed me, despite being my favourite in terms of symbolism and everything else. First Enel killed no one. Then Wiper watched Enel revive, instead of stepping him with the damn kairoseki skate I'm still so deeply annoyed with this… was he that fucking dumb.

                                                                                                Hody decided to kill them with water to show them "how powerless humans are underwater"... It's pretty in character. Even fishman can die in a stake, but no Fishman would die of drowning and getting eaten by sharks. It's a "Humans are inferior" remark. And it actually adds to his character.
                                                                                                Arlong not killing Zoro... he wouldn't kill him that easily. He didn't kill anyone that paid, even if he could do it. And he wasn't that eager to kill people in any part of the arc.
                                                                                                On the Amazons, it's a rulle they never had to follow, and any time they could, they didn't. A man didn't visit the island since time knows when, and you know, bitches get curious. They were never shown to be that extreme with any rule, other than the ones regarding the gorgon eyes, and the empress wasn't even there. In another manga they would've raped him 'til he was dry and leave him to rot after that, but then it wouldn't really be one piece, would it?

                                                                                                Take it easy, dude. It's true they could've died dosens or hundreds of times. They're just lucky as fuck. And that's just how they roll, or did you miss the loguetown arc? (it wasn't actually luck, but that the straw hats will never know.

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                                                                                                Her entire eyeball wasn't always black though, she has the outer black pupil thing, but why is the right eye black in the first panel and the left black in the second?

                                                                                                Inking + Recycled Paper + Mid Quality Scans + Levels + Denoise…

                                                                                                Yeah, if there is anything you shouldn't trust in a scanlated manga, is the inking.

                                                                                                The entire eyeball isn't black. It's only a thicker outline to indicate she's focusing her gaze, and the hair is covering the transition to the white part, in the first panel.
                                                                                                The one in the left is just precision problems. That's a small pannel in a smaller than A4 page, and the prespective makes that eye really small, there is only so much an assistant can do to ink that and leave some white... And the leveling ruins it most of the time.

                                                                                                http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/17123593/19 here you can see a bit of the white, if you look closely, and in the raw it should be evident.

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                                                                                                  I'm positive that the eye thing is just an artistic decision and has nothing to do with her "ability." Oda gives eyes with very thick iris-outlines like that to sneaky/deceptive/shadowy female characters when they're being especially sneaky/deceptive/shadowy. Monet's are so thick that when there's also hair casting shadow on her face, the whole eye appears black.

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                                                                                                    First Enel killed no one.

                                                                                                    He killed nameless fodder, if that counts.

                                                                                                    Then Wiper watched Enel revive, instead of stepping him with the damn kairoseki skate I'm still so deeply annoyed with this… was he that fucking dumb.

                                                                                                    He was still recovering from his nearly broken arm from using the Reject Dial. And Enel restarted his heart pretty quickly (within a couple of panels) so Wiper probably didn't have enough time to react.

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                                                                                                      I do find it difficult to believe that characters like Igaram, Pell, Pagaya, and Wiper survived…

                                                                                                      But you can just as easily pretend they died,
                                                                                                      it's not like they play a part later in the series, besides reacting to bounties and appearing on covers.

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                                                                                                        please remind me with a picture? sometimes i forgot details like tat.
                                                                                                        but she is indeed suspicious character. that's where my assumption come from. If she's really someone that only law's power could made of why she act so mysteriously? she should be thankful and follow w/o objection (i compare her to Brown dude)

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