The way people have talked about Drake since the timeskip,
I doubt that he's anybody's subordinate now. But you never know.
Chapter 668: Pirate Alliance
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So in other words, Luffy would betray Law? The same Luffy who ensured Law won't betray him by asking him if he would?
Not like he would betray him, more like he would join forces with him knowing it would be useless.
Or knowing it would be a fair fight since "cheap tricks" wouldn't work on Shanks.
But yeah, I guess not cooperating isn't really something Luffy would do. But fighting with Law against Shanks without the "key" would be more like Luffy. It's still not something I think will happen, though. -
My perceived order of likelihood.
- Kaido
- Blackbeard
- Big Mom
- Shanks
Sorry Shuhan, I just don't think it's gonna be Shanks.
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I'm split on Kaido or Big Mam, Luffy probably wouldn't be all smiles if Law wanted to fight Blackbeard, and he obviously asked because if it was Shanks he'd say no. I was thinking Kaido because he is the only very important character in the series who has yet to be seen and only mentioned AND Luffy doing something insane like declaring war on 2 yonkou at once is VERY Luffy like. However Big Mam is a possibility because she is already on a collision course with Luffy and thinking about how Law has a plan/strategy to take down this Yonkou made me think it might be her. Law has no clue Luffy is already challenging her and has angered her and he doesn't know the treasure he sent her has a bomb in it, meaning I think before the plan can go into action, Big Mam opens the bomb box and gets angry and sets sail after Luffy. This means Luffy and crew are attacked before/during the plan which makes all the planning go to waste. Regardless all the planning will go to waste one way or another because it's Luffy, which makes me think him and Big Mam are headed into a fight sooner than I expected. Which also means if they fight soon Luffy won't stand a chance, and I think him and his crew will be saved by Lola's vivre card.
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It better be big mom because Jinbe will not join the crew until she is defeated plus we have been waiting 3 years for Jinbe to join also because she is based on a chinese pirate and the Japanese hate the chinese plus the fact the chinese make cheap fake copies of stuff like one piece.
I bet she is going to be made the weakest yonkou oda could even say Blackbeard hunted all of her strong devil fruit users or that Luffy and that are losing but then Blackbeard comes in defeats the weakened Big mom plus her crew for their devil fruits but lets Luffy and his allies live because they helped him out just like in Impel down when Luffy's attack helped Blackbeard!
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People are still saying Shanks? Seriously? It's NOT Shanks. Luffy is not yet a great pirate. He just entered the new world for god's sake and he'd already be willing to take on Shanks (and break his promose) ? Get that shit out of here. Luffy promised to return the hat to Shanks, but if he were to actually meet/defeat him (no freaking way), he'd have to give the hat back. So would they still be called the Straw Hat Pirates? Gtfo. Shanks is destined to fight Blackbeard and lose. Luffy will never get to give the hat back to Shanks and he'll likely pass it on to someone else as it was passed on to him. It's Big Mom.
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I think the question that's on everyone's mind is….Where the hell is Law's master ball?!!!
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Who was it who questioned that CC is a Logia?
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Who was it who questioned that CC is a Logia?
Someone who called me a retard when I said he was 100% logia …
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Same with Buggy being a Shichi and Sabo being alive - some people can't spot the obvious.
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@Law:
It better be big mom because Jinbe will not join the crew until she is defeated plus we have been waiting 3 years for Jinbe to join also because she is based on a chinese pirate and the Japanese hate the chinese plus the fact the chinese make cheap fake copies of stuff like one piece.
I bet she is going to be made the weakest yonkou oda could even say Blackbeard hunted all of her strong devil fruit users or that Luffy and that are losing but then Blackbeard comes in defeats the weakened Big mom plus her crew for their devil fruits but lets Luffy and his allies live because they helped him out just like in Impel down when Luffy's attack helped Blackbeard!
Generalizing Japanese distrust for the Chinese, and–for some reason--saying Big Mam is a Chinese-inspired pirate will automatically make her weak (and even more weakened) is a pretty poor...generalization. Not every Japanese person distrusts the Chinese; by the way; just saying; yeah...
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So first time i've posted in a while, uni work is building up
just to add my 2 cent
Zoro and Sanji have haki
Now would like to say to those blubbering idiots who continually said Zoro and mihawk wouldn't use haki despite shanks and rayliegh and vista all swordsmen all using haki i hope this chapter convinces you that Mihawk must be a haki userNow We have 4 haki users and only 3 of which are in there right bodies 2 of which are still conscious from what we gather Law and chopper are going ahead first, so either they will find the trio or more likely the slime monster will head to Zoro sanji and brooks location
must say still not happy until i get an explaination as to what happened with the cool bros and those 3
It now looks like Sanji and Zoro both use COO and COA (coa being the one law was referring to about facing cc) so wtf -
Oda always makes big plots, so I'd bet they target Kaidou but at the very last second, Big Mom will appear to make Luffy pay for the bomb; so it will be SH+Law vs 2 yonkus :-D
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Oh, that's Great Sir !!
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must say still not happy until i get an explaination as to what happened with the cool bros and those 3
The Cool Brothers used KYP gas.
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The Cool Brothers used KYP gas.
that's not what i mean
i think that's a bit of a silly reason as to why they got caught out especially with brookes looking like the only one to have drawn his weapon to fight -
Oda always makes big plots, so I'd bet they target Kaidou but at the very last second, Big Mom will appear to make Luffy pay for the bomb; so it will be SH+Law vs 2 yonkus :-D
I think you mean Strawhats + Law getting owned by 2 Yonkos. There's no way they could fight 2 at the same time unless some deus ex machina…stuff happens; like the Thousand Sunny all of a sudden turning into Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
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I wanted to point out how far the Cool Brothers could have been when they knocked out Zoro/Sanji/Brook.
Think back to when Van Auger shot that bird while he was at Mocktown. Recall the StrawHats said they couldn't even see land at that point?
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@The:
There's no way they could fight 2 at the same time unless some deus ex machina…stuff happens
Why ? If they are getting ready to attack one Yonku, it means they think they can beat one - not easily, that's not the point - but at least Luffy feels confident they have a chance and Law too, as he has a plan for that. So if they think they can beat one Yonku, wouldn't it be more interesting that they have to fight two at the same time ? Again, Law has a plan, and we all know that "plan" and "'Luffy" are two words that shouldn't live in the same sentence, so get ready for some unplanned plot… and when you are getting ready to attack one Yonku, what would be more unexpected than to have to fight two ?
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Big Mom might just send a few of her commanding officers to capture the Straw Hearts.
So, we could have a situation of "Pekoms and Tamago observe as the Straw Hearts take on Kaido, preparing to capture the pirates and bring them to Big Mom after the battle". It would actually be in their interest to let the Straw Hearts win, and pull a Kuma afterwards.
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@The:
Generalizing Japanese distrust for the Chinese, and–for some reason--saying Big Mam is a Chinese-inspired pirate will automatically make her weak (and even more weakened) is a pretty poor...generalization. Not every Japanese person distrusts the Chinese; by the way; just saying; yeah...
Hancock is also chinesse based (with a little greek), I wouldn't call her weak or stereotypical for that. Besides it's Charlote Lin something, that strikes way more as Philipines than China
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@The:
I think you mean Strawhats + Law getting owned by 2 Yonkos. There's no way they could fight 2 at the same time unless some deus ex machina…stuff happens; like the Thousand Sunny all of a sudden turning into Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
Wait, if Big Mom joins the fray, and sees a Rookie or a focused Kaidoh, who she will attack? A no-name rookie, or one of her greatest rivals?
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Why ? If they are getting ready to attack one Yonku, it means they think they can beat one - not easily, that's not the point - but at least Luffy feels confident they have a chance and Law too, as he has a plan for that. So if they think they can beat one Yonku, wouldn't it be more interesting that they have to fight two at the same time ? Again, Law has a plan, and we all know that "plan" and "'Luffy" are two words that shouldn't live in the same sentence, so get ready for some unplanned plot… and when you are getting ready to attack one Yonku, what would be more unexpected than to have to fight two ?
The entire combined marine force including all three admirals and the shichibukai could barely deal with one emperor. A couple of upstart rookies aren't going to be able to take out two.
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Yeah I doubt they'd take on two. But as for the dealing with one emperor thing, I don't think that's really true. By the end of Paramount War all the admirals were pretty much in good shape, as were the warlords. Even Akainu, who got the worst of the exchange, pretty much shrugged off WB's attack after a bit. Mihawk wasn't fighting seriously, and it didn't seem like Don Flamingo, Kuma, and Hancock were all that invested either. Garp and Sengoku barely whet their appetites. The WB pirates gave them a decent run, but the marines seemed to have the long run victory hands down.
Bringing us to the ending of Paramount War, which I thought was pretty underwhelming. (Is it just me, or was allowing Shanks to walk all over them kind of undermining the point of establishing their dominance?) Two emperor's would probably give em a bunch of trouble, but it seems like they'd be able to stand their ground pretty well.
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If they defeated two emperors, it'd be really hard for there to be much story after that.
One emperor that can only barely be defeated through planning and alliances, that sounds about right.
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@RobbyBevard:
The entire combined marine force including all three admirals and the shichibukai could barely deal with one emperor. A couple of upstart rookies aren't going to be able to take out two.
*Stands up and gives a standing ovation.
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!This is the same thing I was saying. We have ten plusyears left of this story, and we already taking down Yonkou that the WGcouldn't barely handle (a sick White Beard at that). Not to mention minus oneof his captains, and was operating with a handicap. Just imagine if WB couldhave freely moved around and use his power. Now, you are telling me his peers(probably not stronger than WB) cannot hold off the World Government, but they’regoing to fall to two or three rookies? The reason I believe Big Mom/Mam isgoing to fall is because of the trouble she is in, and probably doesn't haveenough time to get her allies. Not to mention recover the money and crew shelost because of Kidd. Now Jinbe is also after her so she may get a surprisedattack from 4 different crews while she is at her weakest. With that said if Master Oda allows Luffy to start sinking Yonkou right out the gate knowing his Haki and the rest of his crew are not up to pair with the Yonkou would be a major nerf. Oda is a briiliant writer so I have faith hee is going to do this right.
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ONE PIECE 668 RAW
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With that said is Kishi allows Luffy to start sinking Yonkou right out the gate knowing his Haki and the rest of his crew are not up to pair with the Yonkou would be a major nerf.
You might need to delete your account and start over. :ninja:
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After rereading the end of Fishman Island I realize, Usopp, Chopper, Brook, Nami and Franky didn't know that Luffy basically declared war on Big Mom. Their reactions in this chapter about going against an Emperor(Big Mom) are understandable now.
At first I couldn't understand why they were so upset when they knew Luffy was more or less going after an Emperor in the first place, but now I see only Zoro and Sanji were present and smiling while Luffy told her he would go and kick her apples.
Hopefully there will be more named characters in her crew that we will know what to do with which would allow Nami and especially Robin a nice 1vs1 to herself.
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but I really doubt that Law wants to take down Big Mom.
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After rereading the end of Fishman Island I realize, Usopp, Chopper, Brook, Nami and Franky didn't know that Luffy basically declared war on Big Mom. Their reactions in this chapter about going against an Emperor(Big Mom) are understandable now.
At first I couldn't understand why they were so upset when they knew Luffy was more or less going after an Emperor in the first place, but now I see only Zoro and Sanji were present and smiling while Luffy told her he would go and kick her apples.
Ehh… http://www.mangahit.com/manga/one-piece/chapter/652/page/7
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You might need to delete your account and start over. :ninja:
The Gods have abondon me.
*Goes in corner and performs Seppuku
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*Stands up and gives a standing ovation.
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!This is the same thing I was saying. We have ten plusyears left of this story, and we already taking down Yonkou that the WGcouldn't barely handle (a sick White Beard at that). Not to mention minus oneof his captains, and was operating with a handicap. Just imagine if WB couldhave freely moved around and use his power. Now, you are telling me his peers(probably not stronger than WB) cannot hold off the World Government, but they’regoing to fall to two or three rookies? The reason I believe Big Mom/Mam isgoing to fall is because of the trouble she is in, and probably doesn't haveenough time to get her allies. Not to mention recover the money and crew shelost because of Kidd. Now Jinbe is also after her so she may get a surprisedattack from 4 different crews while she is at her weakest. With that said if Master Oda allows Luffy to start sinking Yonkou right out the gate knowing his Haki and the rest of his crew are not up to pair with the Yonkou would be a major nerf. Oda is a briiliant writer so I have faith hee is going to do this right.
Pretty much this. Oda's given us a lot of hints. Why would he mention Big Mom's Tea Party happening in a few days if it were of no consequence? Why would Tamago mention Kidd attacking her if it wasn't foreshadowing an eventual Straw Hat/Heart/Kidd Pirates reunion? Why would Jinbei, his ability to join Luffy, and his former crew's fate be tied to her if it weren't relevant? Why would Law mention how they have to move quickly if not for her Tea Party coming up in the next few days? I think there's already enough out there to point to the Yonkou being Big Mom. It's not nearly enough time to introduce Kaido, Blackbeard is endgame, and Shanks vs Luffy would never include an alliance/kidnapping in order to happen.
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The Gods have abondon me.
*Goes in corner and performs Seppuku
Falls to ground ashamed of mixing Master Oda to Shameful KishiYour honor has been restored.
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Ehh… http://www.mangahit.com/manga/one-piece/chapter/652/page/7
…and i'm confused again, that was the line I was looking for to. Urouge when you read this chapter you said you expected Nami's reaction to go this way. I'm still trying to figure out why they are acting like going up against an Emperor is a new development, that's why it to me seems like it could be someone other than Big Mom. At the same time that just seems to be too much.
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OK i'm reading Stephen Paul's Alpha version. And here it doesn't specifically say Luffy would fight back. I will ask him about this later for clarification.Luffy: I mean I could understand if it was meat, sure! But sweets?! So don't worry - I told her right off!!!"
Everyone: An Emperor?!!
Jinbe: You picked a fight with Big Mom?!!
Though the rest of the crew do take it as she "hates us" it doesn't seem as if they think they are specifically going to confront her with the goal of beating her. Not until this chapter anyway.
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I think there's already enough out there to point to the Yonkou being Big Mom.
That's exactly why Oda would not have hid Big Mom from us.
If we have this "revelation" that the Yonko in question is Big Mom, it won't be a revelation at all, it will be really boring. Because we already know that Big Mom is coming, we've known since FI. And we already have another Supernova who's against her (Kidd). -
not necessarily anything new, it's just still as dangerous as the first time which was like 12hours ago in OP time.
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…and i'm confused again, that was the line I was looking for to. Urouge when you read this chapter you said you expected Nami's reaction to go this way. I'm still trying to figure out why they are acting like going up against an Emperor is a new development, that's why it to me seems like it could be someone other than Big Mom. At the same time that just seems to be too much.
Exactly. It is like they are shocked to hear the same thing they heard a day ago.
Now if the goal is to take down another emperor besides Big Mom, that might make their reactions a little more justified.
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The Gods have abondon me.
*Goes in corner and performs Seppuku
Falls to ground ashamed of mixing Master Oda to Shameful KishiI think you mean sudoku.
On a related note, I think the fights will be as follows:
Luffy + Smoker vs. CC
Zoro's group + Samurai vs. Slime
Usopp, Robin, Nami(in Sanji's body), Franky vs. CC menDoes anyone else think it's possible that the marines have taken Little Merry?
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…and i'm confused again, that was the line I was looking for to. Urouge when you read this chapter you said you expected Nami's reaction to go this way. I'm still trying to figure out why they are acting like going up against an Emperor is a new development, that's why it to me seems like it could be someone other than Big Mom. At the same time that just seems to be too much.
You're talking about two different things here. Let's start with Nami. Nami's reaction is what I would have expected if Law said Big Mom. And I imagine that reaction coming from a train of thought like "oh no, if it's her than Luffy is going to agree to this insane alliance, since he's already interested in it and has already declared war on her".
As for Chopper's reaction, that's a bit harder to gauge but there's also no assumptions to be made about it, since everything is laid out on the table for us. I figure he thinks it's just too early to go after one of the emperors.
That's exactly why Oda would not have hid Big Mom from us.
If we have this "revelation" that the Yonko in question is Big Mom, it won't be a revelation at all, it will be really boring. Because we already know that Big Mom is coming, we've known since FI. And we already have another Supernova who's against her (Kidd).Oda has a track record of hiding obvious things from us, just to keep us guessing.
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…and i'm confused again, that was the line I was looking for to. Urouge when you read this chapter you said you expected Nami's reaction to go this way. I'm still trying to figure out why they are acting like going up against an Emperor is a new development, that's why it to me seems like it could be someone other than Big Mom. At the same time that just seems to be too much.
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OK i'm reading Stephen Paul's Alpha version. And here it doesn't specifically say Luffy would fight back. I will ask him about this later for clarification.Luffy: I mean I could understand if it was meat, sure! But sweets?! So don't worry - I told her right off!!!"
Everyone: An Emperor?!!
Jinbe: You picked a fight with Big Mom?!!
Though the rest of the crew do take it as she "hates us" it doesn't seem as if they think they are specifically going to confront her with the goal of beating her. Not until this chapter anyway.
Quoting myself since I added it while you made your response Urouge.
What you said about Nami makes sense now, the subject of her anxiety does seem to be the team up. As well as Usopp, I thought they were only complaining about battling an Emperor, but I see it's mostly about this team up.
Though Chopper's reaction still has me somewhat confused. Though by going with Stephen's translation from 652 it makes a bit more sense to me, that at least Chopper didn't specifically think they were targeting an Emperor the way Luffy had probably already had in mind. Or yeah he is just voicing an ongoing opinion. Either way, it's clearer now thanks.
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I think you mean sudoku
No… You're referring to a board game. I am reffering to Suicide by cutting of the abdomen.
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Though Chopper's reaction still has me somewhat confused. Though by going with Stephen's translation from 652 it makes a bit more sense to me, that at least Chopper didn't specifically think they were targeting an Emperor the way Luffy had probably already had in mind. Or yeah he is just voicing an ongoing opinion. Either way, it's clearer now thanks.
Yeah, that's probably right. Up until this point Chopper and Usopp were afraid of getting hunted. The prospect of going out and actually seeking the fight would be what's new.
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Two possible explanations for Nami's surprise, if it was Big Mam as seems most likely: first, there's a big difference between an abstract "hey, we're going to fight Big Mam at some point in time" and "we're going to try and take her down at a tea party in three days." Second, we don't get to hear the dialogue, so it could be something like, "The Yonkou is Big Mam. We should really braid each others hair."
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No… You're referring to a board game. I am reffering to Suicide by cutting of the abdomen.
Where did you last see your sense of humour to start the search there?
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That's exactly why Oda would not have hid Big Mom from us.
If we have this "revelation" that the Yonko in question is Big Mom, it won't be a revelation at all, it will be really boring. Because we already know that Big Mom is coming, we've known since FI. And we already have another Supernova who's against her (Kidd).It pretty much can't be. No one else makes much sense. If anything, we're just being trolled by Oda along with Law since he doesn't know that Luffy's already declared war on her. Blackbeard is end game, so he's 100% out. Luffy wouldn't form an alliance to attack Shanks. It just doesn't make sense from a development perspective based on Shank's/Luffy's history. Luffy knows he's not a great pirate equal to Shanks yet, so he wouldn't attempt to challenge him, especially since he's only been in the new world for a few hours and he wouldn't use an alliance at all. Kaido is possible, but they haven't even officially introduced him or his motives yet, introduce his underlings, tell us why he's so weak, or where he's located (likely more than 3 days away unlike Big Mom, which was told to us for a reason). Also, Kidd attacking Big Mom's ships isn't the same as attacking her directly, which is what Law plans on doing with the Yonkou in question. I'd give Kaido a 1% chance of being possible, but Big Mom's still at 99%.
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Finally he shows up!Poor guy he must feel horrible about not having seen Ace before his death. Friend or Foe?I cn't waiiiit.
Nodensuke: I always like quoting this post by Sea when it comes to Sabo:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28075&page=25&p=1699584&viewfull=1#post1699584
I hope they clash over their ideals.These two are obvious. What wasn't to me is the possibility of a conflict between Luffy and Sabo because I hadn't paid attention to that Panel where Sabo wonders about what Freedom is and how to achieve it.
Thanks for posting that! It was a good read, and I agree with you about them clashing over their ideals, it'd be a quite a situation for them both, especially Luffy.
I think the question that's on everyone's mind is….Where the hell is Law's master ball?!!!
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The Straw Hearts aren't going to take out two Yonko at once,
but I really doubt that Law wants to take down Big Mom.
Oda wouldn't have hid that from us, would he?I think Oda hid it from us for the sole purpose of knowing everyone's gonna go ape shit with theories and speculations of it being anyone BUT Big Mom because he's kept it a secret…But really, it's Big Mom.
Edit: Thanks for the raw Redon!!
I guess the original raw still has the damn text over it, but you can still clearly see two cups, with more than enough room for the third.
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Look I'm all for Oda being the god of the unpredictable and all that jazz, but I just don't see the point of setting all of this stuff up with Big Mom only to draw the attention from her and randomly throw it to Kaido ,BB or even less Shanks. The fact of the matter is Luffy has as much of a reason to go after Big Mom as Law [[if she's indeed his target]] he wants Jinbe to join his crew and Fishman Island to be his Territory.
It explains Luffy's glee and Nami's shock perfectly ,I present to you all shock of coincidence and excitement of challenge. Simple.
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*sits on the steps to the Shanks train
Sigh…guess I will have to come out of lurk mode to continue my "its Shanks" theory...too bad I'm at work...
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At this point the Yonkou could be Christopher D. Columbus who was a Yonkou in Brooks day LOL. I'm actually more interested in the fight match ups. Smoker and Tashigi I don't think will fight Luffy at this point which until Law showed up was what I wanted. I'm guessing Luffy vs CC, or Big 3 vs CC depending on if CC has haki or not. The slime seems like it might require a Smoker/Tashigi and remaining SH team up. I'm guessing Nami vs Monet is also gonna happen (hopefully Nami reigns lightning down on her ass). I'm still confused at to what Law and Chopper are doing, making an antidote? Hopefully we'll see Zoro, Brook, and Sanji were taken out by gas while Zoro/Sanji were arguing next chapter (as I've said since it happened).
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I think there's a good chance the Yonko Law wants to bring down is Kaido. I mean…it gives Oda a chance to officially reveal, in some detail, the final Yonko.
Luffy and crew could know who each and every Yonko is--each and every strongest player is--before truly setting foot in the New World; Punk Hazard is just the beginning. Once the Yonko Law wants to go after is officially revealed by name, during a conversation I'm sure (between the Strawhat's and Law, maybe CC and Monet in there too), we can find out info about Kaido; like beli bounty, strength of his forces, backstory, his Devil Fruit and Haki abilities etc--the same discussions can apply to Big Mam as well.
Also, and this is just a feeling (and theory), I think Kaido will be the science and technology Yonko (i.e. a cyborg crew member, a giant metal moving town/city...thing etc). What better place to officially introduce him then during a story arc that has a lot of science going on and a technology-feel? (Also, we were introduced to Blackbeard being a Yonko during Fishman Island, Big Mam being revealed during Fishman Island, and Shanks being revealed to be a Yonko even earlier in the series; why not 'Kaido time' for Punk Hazard)?
Maybe CC is doing work for Kaido; a scientist of the Kaido Pirates.