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    • Cruithne
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      @KageKageKing:

      You known… Naruto was bad,but I think Bleach was pretty decent this week don't known why. Don't hate me guys plz.

      Bleach has been on somewhat of a roll lately.

      There are backgrounds, minor characters are doing something, and Kubo's trying to give us something of a plot.

      On another note: It's funny how that one guy said the Vendernreich were gonna invade in 5 days, but the boss is just like "nope, Ichigo's not at home at this moment WE MUST GO NOW".

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        Hooray for the re-forgery of the two threads!
        Together in unholy matremony!
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        Speaking of, the chapters was bad, but naruto was a wee bit better.

        The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.

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          @maxterdexter:

          I would love for Kubo to go for an "What a TWEEST ending", like that one of karakura being the true happy afterlife.
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          @Cruithne:

          On another note: It's funny how that one guy said the Vendernreich were gonna invade in 5 days, but the boss is just like "nope, Ichigo's not at home at this moment WE MUST GO NOW".

          Just as planned before Kubo, Ichigo and you were born.

          "Trust him with me…I WANT TO WRONG JIGGLE."

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            Super camoflauge activate!

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              My main question is that the Qunicy Leader made it sound like he was confused as to why Ichigo was in Hueco Mundo. I may have been misreading that.

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                The quincy leader guy probably knew of ichigo's hack wins against butterflzien and whatnot, so not facing him would be a wise move. Besides if ichigo isn't there to solo the invasion force then we might see a few more battles/bankais and that would be worth it as far as I'm concerned. Then again the invasion could get off-screened.

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                  Does anyone else think the Quincy Captain is kinda like Bask Om from Zeta Gundam? Big, square-faced asshole who abuses the men under him, has a Pesci-level temper and wears big glasses/goggles?

                  Maybe it's me.

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                    http://shonenbeam.com/2012/04/18/naruto-583/

                    The mere fact that Kabuto’s flashback has continued into this chapter is absurd. It was bad enough that
                    Sasuke’s return took the focus away from Naruto, whose impending fight with Tobi showed great promise.
                    Featuring a flashback of Kabuto last week was even more upsetting, considering its horrendous timing, so
                    under no circumstances should that flashback have been extended. Worst of all, though, is the fact that this
                    flashback isn’t revealing anything immediately relevant or important, thus rendering its placement in the
                    middle of a fight completely useless.


                    … and the audience drifts off to sleep

                    Observing the original meeting between Kabuto and Orochimaru does nothing to benefit Kabuto’s character
                    or his current confrontation with the Uchiha brothers, nor does displaying Danzou’s cruelty. While
                    Orochimaru is still somewhat notable thanks to his presence within Kabuto, Danzou has no place in the
                    current story whatsoever, and such irrelevance is compounded by the lack of any new development for
                    either of these two. If this examination of Kabuto’s past was at least conveying valuable information to the
                    audience, its placement here in the story could be more justifiable.

                    Instead, this flashback being used to portray Orochimaru as evil and Danzou as ruthless, both of which
                    have been established for hundreds of chapters. Kishimoto is senselessly trying to make his readers care
                    about unrelated plot, which would be frustrating at any point in the story, but is especially so when his
                    rehashed characterization comes at the expense of significant current events. The determination with which
                    the author is presenting Kabuto’s past should have been used to concentrate on making the standoff
                    between the Uchihas and Kabuto into an actual battle.


                    The most memorable villain of the series being evil is not news

                    Embarrassingly, Kishimoto even fails in his aims to evoke sympathy for Kabuto, which is the entire point of
                    this flashback. First, the child that calls out to Kabuto as he leaves reveals that he was at the orphanage for
                    three years, which hardly makes it a disaster that he’s leaving. While the conditions of his departure are
                    shady, living peacefully for three years is a luxury compared to other tragic pasts in this series.

                    Also, although Kabuto’s progression into a young man is kept mercifully short, the scene of him lamenting
                    his misguided life is counterproductive. By emphasizing how five entire years have passed since he left the
                    orphanage, this scene only highlights how Kabuto lacked the willpower to take charge of his own life.
                    Rather than making him into a sympathetic figure, Kabuto’s inability to find a place for himself further
                    weakens him as a character because he only has himself to blame.


                    Such hollow regret only showcases Kabuto's ineptitude

                    Sadly, the rest of the chapter is no better. Kabuto fighting his own adoptive mother is just as overly
                    convenient as the awful fights throughout the Shinobi War arc, and far too much is made of his mother not
                    being able to recognize him. The feeling of shock and rejection that Kabuto experiences is self-centered, as
                    it neglects to account for the fact that his mother could be unable to identify him because she is dying.
                    Combine all the above missteps with the unintentional hilarity of Orochimaru creepily surfacing from the
                    lake into which Kabuto is crying, and the result is a flashback that is terrible both on its own merit and in
                    comparison to any other flashback in Naruto.

                    Final Flash: A thoroughly pointless chapter. It’s no coincidence that this series has lost direction since the
                    return of Sasuke.

                    How come no one's ever mentioned this site before?!

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                      Wow, those are some flat-faced kids right there.

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                        Personally I don't care what others are saying. Kabuto's flashback is the best Naruto material I've seen for a while.

                        As for Bleach, it's okay I guess. Honestly speaking, I can't enjoy the manga nearly as much without the anime. So it's just "meh" to me.

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                          http://shonenbeam.com/2012/04/18/naruto-583/

                          How come no one's ever mentioned this site before?!

                          I was thinking the same thing toward the end of the chapter. Lol Kabuto’s caretaker is half dead and probably delusional and he decides she should die because she doesn’t remember him? I had a friend who got a concussion; he could barely remember his own name. Maybe it's because I'm not Kabuto, but I didn't think it was a good idea to punch him in the face to add injury to injury.

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                            Poor Kishi.

                            Hopefully when it's all over, he'll get to make that mafia manga he wanted to do.

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                              @David:

                              Super camoflauge activate!

                              http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6564/camow.jpg

                              And that's perhaps the most ninja-like thing somebody has done in those last couple of chapters. It's funny, really.

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                                @Chopperrules:

                                Personally I don't care what others are saying. Kabuto's flashback is the best Naruto material I've seen for a while.

                                Him fighting his mom and her not remembering him didn't feel hilariously forced to you?

                                On to discussing awesome things, Rock Lee's Spring Time of Youth episode 3 came out. Neji's a bigger man in the crotch… because he wears boxers. Fuck briefs.

                                I think Kishimoto needs to watch part 2 of Episode 3 with Ten ten in it and soak in that message really well.

                                One thing I noticed about the show though, is Yamamoto is usually stalking lee once per segment. I mean GLARING at him. It's pretty creepy.

                                if you want to check out my game progress: http://soggybreadgm.tumblr.com/

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                                  @pyromonki:

                                  Him fighting his mom and her not remembering him didn't feel hilariously forced to you?

                                  Perhaps, but it's still better writing than average Naruto and I like Kabuto's character.

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                                    http://shonenbeam.com/2012/04/18/naruto-583/

                                    How come no one's ever mentioned this site before?!

                                    Hey, thanks for the promotion! I'm glad you like the site.

                                    Naruto has been pretty abysmal lately. Fortunately, Bleach has compensated for it by actually being good recently, which is a surprise considering its troubled past.

                                    Also, I feel the need to point out that the title of this thread is excellent.

                                    Shonen Beam - shonen opinion/commentary site

                                    Beamcast - twice-weekly shonen podcast

                                    tables of contents - Jump | Magazine | Sunday

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                                      @pyromonki:

                                      Him fighting his mom and her not remembering him didn't feel hilariously forced to you?

                                      On to discussing awesome things, Rock Lee's Spring Time of Youth episode 3 came out. Neji's a bigger man in the crotch… because he wears boxers. Fuck briefs.

                                      I think Kishimoto needs to watch part 2 of Episode 3 with Ten ten in it and soak in that message really well.

                                      One thing I noticed about the show though, is Yamamoto is usually stalking lee once per segment. I mean GLARING at him. It's pretty creepy.

                                      Where are you watching it? I keep forgetting to check it out.

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                                        @KizoFieva:

                                        Naruto has been pretty abysmal lately. Fortunately, Bleach has compensated for it by actually being good recently, which is a surprise considering its troubled past.

                                        Yeah I agree Bleach has been semi-decent for the last 2-3 chapters.
                                        I hate to sound whigny but…it actually makes it somewhat boring to read

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                                        Perhaps, but it's still better writing than average Naruto

                                        lol if that's the only thing going for it..

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                                          @KizoFieva:

                                          Hey, thanks for the promotion! I'm glad you like the site.

                                          Naruto has been pretty abysmal lately. Fortunately, Bleach has compensated for it by actually being good recently, which is a surprise considering its troubled past.

                                          Also, I feel the need to point out that the title of this thread is excellent.

                                          No prob, man. You guys keep on doing what you're doing, because I'm now an honorary ShonenBeam follower.

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                                            @Cyclone_Baroness:

                                            Where are you watching it? I keep forgetting to check it out.

                                            I watched it here:

                                            http://www.gogoanime.com/persona-4-episode-5

                                            if you want to check out my game progress: http://soggybreadgm.tumblr.com/

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                                              http://shonenbeam.com/2012/04/18/naruto-583/

                                              How come no one's ever mentioned this site before?!

                                              never heard of this site but it's awesome. thanks for sharing.

                                              Yamamoto is the founder of Gotei 13 right?
                                              Ouken (King's Key) is a magic key to open a gateway to wherever Soul King was and it location is passed on verbally from generation to generation of Captain-Commander, and there is no document containing where it is located.
                                              so Yamamoto is not the CC of Gotei when he founded it?

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                                                Is Mayuri suggesting that the Quinzifuehrer has been living for 1000 years? Given that Ginjo was also appearantly stuck in a 20something age, it doesn't surprise me.
                                                Though I do wonder if Kubo remembers that the qionzicaust was supposed to have happened 200 years ago, not 1000.

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                                                  maybe BuckBeard vs Yama happen and ended 1000 years ago have nothing to do with Quincy massacre 200 years ago.

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                                                    It's funny how close Buckbeard is to Blackbeard.

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                                                      I loled when I saw Kira analysing footprints and stuff, is this CSI:Rukongai? And Kubo really wants us to believe Soul Society have datas on people's shoes?

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                                                        @Tsukishima:

                                                        I loled when I saw Kira analysing footprints and stuff, is this CSI:Rukongai? And Kubo really wants us to believe Soul Society have datas on people's shoes?

                                                        He didn't even need to analyze anything. He could've just asked someone.

                                                        Kira: So I found these sandal footprints out past the 50th district and-
                                                        Renji and Rukia: People don't have those out there.

                                                        Case closed.

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                                                          Okay, I might be a bit on the repetitive side here but could someone please explain the intrinsic hillarity of a third consecutive thread merger ? It was funny with basicly everything on April Fools, but this is just…..a tired idea.

                                                          Why do we have to resort to "making lulz" by screwing around with the threads anyway ? Why can't we just let it be ?

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                                                            It seems that Danzo made Mother forget about Kabuto… during that whole conversation, he was tugging on the bandages hiding his Sharingan. At least, that's the most logical conclusion I can come to. Other than that, okay Naruto chapter.

                                                            Bleach... was Bleach. Like many have said, why Kira needed to investigate the matter of poor districts lacking sandals when several Shinigami he was speaking to came from poor districts is beyond me, but whatever. Let's hurry up and get rid of this Quincies, though. I want to see Squad 0 to satisfy my curiosity and then let this series end.

                                                            I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                              @Fire Fist:

                                                              It seems that Danzo made Mother forget about Kabuto… during that whole conversation, he was tugging on the bandages hiding his Sharingan. At least, that's the most logical conclusion I can come to. Other than that, okay Naruto chapter.

                                                              Bleach... was Bleach. Like many have said, why Kira needed to investigate the matter of poor districts lacking sandals when several Shinigami he was speaking to came from poor districts is beyond me, but whatever. Let's hurry up and get rid of this Quincies, though. I want to see Squad 0 to satisfy my curiosity and then let this series end.

                                                              Here for example. What kind of merriment is being produced by these two completely unconected coments ? Is there even anyone who enjoys seeing both of these things discused in the same post ? Even when they're so utterly segregated ?

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                                                                Just look at the end of the Naruto thread. Some guys complained, that they wanted to re-merge the bleach and naruto threads again.
                                                                I dont see the purpose of this one, either. But whatever.

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                                                                  @No:

                                                                  Here for example. What kind of merriment is being produced by these two completely unconected coments ? Is there even anyone who enjoys seeing both of these things discused in the same post ? Even when they're so utterly segregated ?

                                                                  I got some merriment out of them 👅

                                                                  The thread merger is fine (i enjoy it more this way), its much easier to discuss both since they come out together and bleach definitely cant maintain a thread on its own at this point, especially with no anime.

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                                                                    Err, in their brief seperation since their last merger the Bleach thread got 20 pages, Naruto 24. Despite Naruto coming out earlier this week, Bleach managed to get two pages of discussion before this new merger, Naruto only got one. No one discussed the Bleach anime anyway, and most of the talk post merger has been Bleach related. I wouldn't call that "dead".

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                                                                      @Venomous:

                                                                      bleach definitely cant maintain a thread on its own at this point, especially with no anime.

                                                                      Kongo Banchou, Shingeki no Kyojin etc.

                                                                      Why can't we just have a normal thread for once ?

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                                                                        Why do we feel the need to complain about this

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                                                                          Why do we feel the need to complain about this

                                                                          Lack of proper discusion stimulii or just plain bitterness ? You decide.

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                                                                            I wonder if Kabuto knows or has realized that Danzo sorta has mind altering powers? Like, the ones he used in the Kage Summit. Just saying, if his Spy Ninja Mother can't remember him after talking with Danzo shouldn't he be mad at Danzo then?

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                                                                              So why did Mayuri go nuts about Uryuu back in Soul Society when he knew Quincy's were alive this entire time?

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                                                                                Seeing all this dislike toward the two series is sad. I remember when I started watching the Bleach anime, and the SS arc really drew me in. When Naruto reached the tournament, I was totally drawn in. Now it's meh. Honestly, these people aren't even ninjas anymore. That's what happens when you try to invent new and interesting techniques. Beh. At least the wonder of Tobi, what will happen to Itachi and Naruto vs Sasuke still keeps me coming back in. Hopefully One Piece never becomes like that. And with all we know will come in the next 10 years, really, how can it.

                                                                                Anyways, Naruto was disappointing again. Three different groups are warring against one another, and Kabuto needs to have a flashback. I thought the Bee and Kazekage flashback during the time they tried to stop Naruto was invonvenient, but this is ridiculous.

                                                                                Bleach, well … they have sandals. Nuff said. Kinda wonder if Kubo even ever planned all of this. Kind of feels like it's a on the run idea.

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                                                                                  Kinda wonder if Kubo even ever planned all of this. Kind of feels like it's a on the run idea.

                                                                                  The short answer: he has made a point of saying that he intentionaly doesn't plan the story ahead, in order to "keep it fresh".

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                                                                                    @KizoFieva:

                                                                                    Hey, thanks for the promotion! I'm glad you like the site.

                                                                                    Naruto has been pretty abysmal lately. Fortunately, Bleach has compensated for it by actually being good recently, which is a surprise considering its troubled past.

                                                                                    Also, I feel the need to point out that the title of this thread is excellent.

                                                                                    I have just read your One Piece chapter 664 review. Great stuff. I really loved your analysis about the concept of right and wrong in this series, and Tashigi was definetely the best part of this chapter(she feels a bit underappreciated by the fans).

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                                                                                      In an effort to try to keep some positive thoughts circulating I do have one nice thing to say about the recent Naruto chapters. Despite the fact that Kabuto is fighting a battle that calling futile would be an understatement and his flashback kind of cements him as a moron, I do like this whole "I'm nobody" theme that has been utilized since Madara was revealed as NotMadara. I really do like the idea of people who don't care who they are or what they're called being, Kabuto's backstory only adding to that, put up against our protagonist whom's life goal has been recognition and acknowledgement.

                                                                                      It's a nice contrast.

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                                                                                        No one asked for my opinion, but it's really annoying having to start reading a paragraph, realizing it's talking about Bleach and skipping it. Not everyone on these forums reads both series.

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                                                                                          @IgorGB:

                                                                                          No one asked for my opinion, but it's really annoying having to start reading a paragraph, realizing it's talking about Bleach and skipping it. Not everyone on these forums reads both series.

                                                                                          I don't read either series.

                                                                                          I just read the thread about them.

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                                                                                            This merging discussion is as pointless as Chad's contribution to any arc of Bleach.

                                                                                            ANYWAY. This Shonen Beam site is pretty awesome. I already forgot who originally posted it, but thanks to he/she for it.

                                                                                            "Trust him with me…I WANT TO WRONG JIGGLE."

                                                                                            Crack Navigator for the Fandom Pirates

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                                                                                              Over a dozen years ago, the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox, was unleashed by a mysterious Masked Man. The Hidden Leaf Village was attacked by the Fox and was on the verge of complete devastation. There was only one way to save the village – to seal the Demon Fox. The 4th Hokage Minato Namikaze and his wife Kushina sealed the Fox into their new born son Naruto, sacrificing their own lives for the sake of the Village, entrusting its future to their son.

                                                                                              As time passed, members of the dangerous group known as Akatsuki – Pain, Konan, Itachi, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu – assault the Hidden Leaf Village! Naruto and his comrades succeeded in defeating them, but why are those Akatsuki members, supposedly all dead, here again now? The mystery remains, but all the shinobis are being praised to achieve a dangerous mission. In the meantime, Naruto, who doesn’t know his parents, can’t help it to feel very lonely. Just around that time, and all of a sudden, the Masked Man returns to the Hidden Leaf Village. The mysterious new eye technique of this man then strikes both Naruto and Sakura.

                                                                                              Now, his terrifying ambition is revealed! Is he targetting the Nine Tailed Fox? Traps and conspiracy to Naruto and Sakura, and to the other shinobi of the Leaf Village. The fierce fight is inevitable! The movie is at its climax!

                                                                                              http://www.saiyanisland.com/2012/04/road-to-ninja-naruto-the-movie-plot-new-scan/

                                                                                              What do you guys think?

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                                                                                                So is this some sort of abridged version of the series or something.

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                                                                                                  @Cyan:

                                                                                                  So is this some sort of abridged version of the series or something.

                                                                                                  yeah I was thinking of the same thing.

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                                                                                                    I wonder if Kabuto knows or has realized that Danzo sorta has mind altering powers? Like, the ones he used in the Kage Summit. Just saying, if his Spy Ninja Mother can't remember him after talking with Danzo shouldn't he be mad at Danzo then?

                                                                                                    It's hard to be mad at somebody that is already dead.

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                                                                                                      I liked the Moon's eye plan succeeding plot idea better. 😕

                                                                                                      Also… since when is Sakura a focus for Madara?

                                                                                                      but who could miss rewatching Yellow flash parenting skills on the big screen?

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                                                                                                      It's hard to be mad at somebody that is already dead.

                                                                                                      Kenshiro does it all the time. ba-dum tish

                                                                                                      if you want to check out my game progress: http://soggybreadgm.tumblr.com/

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                                                                                                        @Cyan:

                                                                                                        So is this some sort of abridged version of the series or something.

                                                                                                        Maybe we'll get to see the fights that got resolved off screen.

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