Seems like this thread turned into a physic classroom.
Chapter 713 : "Usoland"
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you are all alright …
what i want to say : we can't control something outside the earth we have no remote to do that
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Hm, thinking about it, his defense against the meteor doesn't really fit this explanation.
The biggest problem with the gravitiy fruit is as Yoschl pointed out the defense against the meteor. It just isn't possible with a standard gravity changing fruit.
But that of course is only a problem if Oda stuck to the real world explanation and we can never be sure.
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Seems like this thread turned into a physic classroom.
albert einstein needed to explain what going on
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albert einstein needed to explain what going on
Only Oda is needed. He should know. And as that is a manga we shouldn't think that Oda has studied exotic matter, dark energy and dark matter beforehand.
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Let's just say Fujitora is so awesome, he can drop big things from the sky because he's awesome.
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Let's just say Fujitora is so awesome, he can drop big things from the sky because he's awesome.
he 's awesome that is why akainu choose it to be admiral .
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Well Enel is God so I don't think he counts.
I think a living body may act by "instinct", while an object with a fruit that makes him another kind of object, well…
I agree that an object who eats the Gomu Gomu No Mi should become a rubber object, though. We can also assume if it eats Buggy's fruit it can't be cut (i.e. his cut parts can be easily rearranged), and Kalifa's fruit makes everything produce bubbles. So maybe (just maybe) an object who eats a logia fruit turns into the element, because he has no will to contrast the fruit's action. -
yeah there is but not the same as the earth gravity … can't PULL
what that is nonsense… gravity is same type of force everywhere in the universe the only difference is how strong it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation
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Can you guys please stop bringing my dreadful physics class into my #1 manga series. You can't explain everything Oda does, hence why this is fiction.
People in here remind me of Bigbang Theory.Let's just enjoy Fuji's Abilities for now. They will be explained soon enough.
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I think a living body may act by "instinct", while an object with a fruit that makes him another kind of object, well…
I agree that an object who eats the Gomu Gomu No Mi should become a rubber object, though. We can also assume if it eats Buggy's fruit it can't be cut (i.e. his cut parts can be easily rearranged), and Kalifa's fruit makes everything produce bubbles. So maybe (just maybe) an object who eats a logia fruit turns into the element, because he has no will to contrast the fruit's action.The difference is that Logia abilities have to be activated at will. In Luffy and some other Paramecia's case, the ability requires no will to activate.
So yeah, a rubber sword is possible due to the Gomu Gomu's passive nature.
Maybe Fujitora use the Attract(Repel) Attract(Repel) No Mi?
That explains why in the bar he repeled the DD Family guys into to the grounds, and then, he attracted the meteor from the sky. And it was just a test…Kid already has this fruit.
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A fruit like the Gomu 2x is different because it turns your body into rubber, If an inanimate object is feed that same Devil Fruit it will turn into rubber but If an object if feed with a logia or another paramacia for that matter it will stay the same because it cannot activate on his own. ie: you fed the Supa 2X to an object it won't turn into blades because the owner is the own turns himself into blades and I think the only exception in this matter is the Gomu 2X
If Vegapunk found a way to let a DEVIL Fruit activated by changing the lineage factor somehow and control its power via sea stone, it might be possible to feed an object with a Devil Fruit other then Zoans but even like that it will be troublesome since If you fed an object with a Logia, the object will be leaking his element everywhere without a way to be control it once you start using it but certain Paramecias can work like this but not the one Fujitora has since it will affect everyone round him and even the object itself.
Is not necessary for Fujitora to have a Devil Fruit ether since we have seen Fire and Thunder swords and those people don't use those elements because of a Devil Fruit
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I like the person's theory revolving around, like…if you had a gravity sword (because of a devil fruit) that, if you had a sea stone holder for it, it would keep it in check and allow you to unleash different levels of power with it based on how much of the sword you pull out.
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@The:
I like the person's theory revolving around, like…if you had a gravity sword (because of a devil fruit) that, if you had a sea stone holder for it, it would keep it in check and allow you to unleash different levels of power with it based on how much of the sword you pull out.
The thing is a gravity Devil Fruit won't work that way because the holder of the object in this case Fujitora will also be affected by the gravitational force of the sword and everything around him
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You're making an assumption based on very little, on a topic we know very little about, in an anime/manga where a lot of weird shit happens that shouldn't happen.
I'm not saying that that theory will come true, but you can't really say "No. It wouldn't work like that. It would look like this." based on just how little we know about Devil Fruits, and heck…even sea stone.
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True that but just because it's a manga where we shouldn't apply too much logic doesn't mean that Oda will just do something so crazy as this sword having a Gravity devil fruit power that can be activate it once the sword is unleashed without affecting the owner and the sword itself, it just sounds ridiculous but hey anything can happen right, this is just a manga and we shouldn't apply any real world logic to it
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Gravity Gravity devil fruit
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Can you guys please stop bringing my dreadful physics class into my #1 manga series. You can't explain everything Oda does, hence why this is fiction.
Oda's world follows pretty much the same physics our world does, as long as we discount the obvious differences such as Devil Fruits.
On the other hand, it'd probably be for the best to make this stop since it seems like almost none of the people know how this stuff works. Granted, it might not have that huge of an effect on your life if you know less about physics than a rather dumb orangutan, but for heaven's sake don't try to argue about it.
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@•Ace•:
Gravity can pull/attract and push/repel.
What? when have you seen the earth repeling something to outerspace because of its gravity?:blink:. Gravity can pull in, anti-gravity or however you want to call the force acting up and against gravity is a different matter altogether. When said force is stronger than gravity then the object subject to the forcefield will be moved "or repeled away from the gravity sorce " as you said. However gravity per se doesn´t have a switch on, off, reverse button. In life it can only attract and pull in. Edit: After Reading Yaegars (spelling?) post, of the pull-repel fruit, I suppose it would be fun to have a fruit inspired in the Tug o war . We Pull they pull everyone pulls sometimes you win , and sometimes you win even better prizes… I don´t like to lose
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we have had magma,darkness,light,thunder,quake devil fruits so why not gravity devil fruit.He crushed the goons in the bar using gravity in a small area around him and call down a meteorite from space seems to me its gravity fruit
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Where was Fujitora when Whitebeard was claimed the strongest man in the world because he could actually destroy the world? As I see it A huge meteorite would cause far more damage than any tremor, freezing, magma, light ability. Put a meteorite the size of a town in the middle of an island, and bye bye island, neighboring islands and life in who knows how many thouldsands of square miles.. If its chaos, granted the tremor fruit wins hands down, because theres not much left after a meteorite "lands" crashes..Edit: Fujitora's power goes absurdly well with akainus ultimate justice logo. Leave nothing not a fly
Would you like a Blast?
100000000000000 Berries please.
Blasting Destinations: Gotham city, Jaya, central perk, E. R.
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Where was Fujitora when Whitebeard was claimed the strongest man in the world because he could actually destroy the world? As I see it A huge meteorite would cause far more damage than any tremor, freezing, magma, light ability. Put a meteorite the size of a town in the middle of an island, and bye bye island, neighboring islands and life in who knows how many thouldsands of square miles.. If its chaos, granted the tremor fruit wins hands down, because theres not much left after a meteorite "lands" crashes..Edit: Fujitora's power goes absurdly well with akainus ultimate justice logo. Leave nothing not a fly
It would certainly destroy Marine ford but Fujitora wasn't a Marine at that time, so he couldn't be there
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It would certainly destroy Marine ford but Fujitora wasn't a Marine at that time, so he couldn't be there
I wasn´t referring to him being in the marine or at marine Ford, but to his devil fruit; I feel like fuji is a genuine threat because of his ability; thank god his personality is well balanced so far. He´s like the synonim of erradication; none of the former admirals had that in their repertoire; I mean they could freeze, burn and attack with beams, but even a dud from fuji is bound to be dangerous. This guy is like the personification of the Word extinction. if this guy hits, he WILL hit hard. Edit: And now I'm wondering if being blind is enough drawback…
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Yeah, that's the worrying part about his powers. I'm assuming he can't pull an asteroid much bigger than he just did, because a rock with a diameter of 100 meters would be a disaster. The meteor/asteroid/meteoroid he pulled was about 5 meters or something like that, the problem is that it shouldn't hit the ground since it's so small. That rock has about the same impact energy as a nuclear bomb, the thing is that it never hits the ground because it shatters before making touch, causing an air burst and lots of small pieces of rock. So yeah there's probably something wrong with that, but hey it's not our world.
Now then, the aforementioned rock with a diameter of 100 meters would result in about 200 times more powerful explosion than the smaller of the nukes dropped in Japan. No deadly radiation though, but as a means of mass destruction that's pretty darn convenient anyway. Buster Call takes a fleet of ships and huge amounts of manpower, for what? The island gets burned a bit, and trees probably go down. This Buster Call 2.0 takes one guy and you won't have the island left once he's done with it.
I'm hoping there's a darn good explanation why he can control such immense forces, the thing with meteors is that they're not supposed to hit the Earth, and the bigger ones basically never do. It would be really weird if it's just him pulling objects from space, that sounds ridiculous. He could basically sink a battleship of any size, from several kilometers away.
I'm counting on Oda, he's probably got some reason Fujitora can mess with that kind of forces in the first place.
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Hmm, is this a coincidence? Would be nice if either Aohige or CCC could translate this
@Beatrice:
An Oda Drawing:
Mifune Toshiro with Bull Horns.
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Hmm, is this a coincidence? Would be nice if either Aohige or CCC could translate this
Did you noticed the name of the best known films he worked in
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@The:
I like the person's theory revolving around, like…if you had a gravity sword (because of a devil fruit) that, if you had a sea stone holder for it, it would keep it in check and allow you to unleash different levels of power with it based on how much of the sword you pull out.
So the neutral state for a logia infused sword would just be a complete on-going natural disaster then?
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Did you noticed the name of the best known films he worked in
I think i don´t quite understand what you mean. If you are asking whether i know Mifune and his movies, then yeah, i have watched a few movies starring him, including the Kurosawa movies, the Samurai trilogy, his Zatoichi movie and the tv series Shogun (good adaption of the novel btw).
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He meant Zatoichi. Both actors (Fujitora's Shintaro Katsu) were in Zatoichi. Him being in the volume intro with bull horns… yeah I'd say that's a solid bet.
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@wolfwoof:
So the neutral state for a logia infused sword would just be a complete on-going natural disaster then?
I explained him as to why it can not work with logias and some Paramecias but he went all bitchy about it
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He meant Zatoichi. Both actors (Fujitora's Shintaro Katsu) were in Zatoichi. Him being in the volume intro with bull horns… yeah I'd say that's a solid bet.
Honestly, i thought it´s some kind of Mifune tribute in a magazine (completely ignoring the volume 70 at the beginning of the text), especially since Mifune should not have a relation to OP and if he actually is the inspiration for Ryokugyuu, then isn´t this a bit too revealing?
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Honestly, i thought it´s some kind of Mifune tribute in a magazine (completely ignoring the volume 70 at the beginning of the text), especially since Mifune should not have a relation to OP and if he actually is the inspiration for Ryokugyuu, then isn´t this a bit too revealing?
Guess I should have gone with, "he probably meant" then. But yeah that's from the volume intro, and not I don't think it's too revealing. Pretty sure most people had Akainu's actor identified before he appeared too.
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I guess it should make it likely then.
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Since the issue came back and since nobody answered me (maybe because my english sucks) I ask once more
Based on until now admirals and the relevance of the animal theme with the personality of the characters and the movie characters of the movies that the famous actors was….. We have any candidates that suits the personality of a bull? "Green Bull"?
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Hmmm I wonder if Fujitora really is from Wano, I have a weird theory. We know Wano is independent and they could be taken over by Kaido. This happened has focused Fujitora to take sides with the Marines in a deal that they would fight Kaido off so his country is left alone. It might explain potentially that DD has gotten involved with Kaido more recently from Gorossei's orders to infiltrate the Yonko's army. There might be a situation where Luffy declares his motives to Fujitora and that might be a good enough reason why Fujitora lets Luffy go without a fight as they head towards Zou/Wano at the end of the arc to start the Kaido arc…
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"Bull horns are so cool.
I wonder if I could grow some horns…
Since olden days, horns have been revered by men all over the world.
They just make you look strong.
But they'd be a nuisance when trying to sleep, yeah?
And it'd be a pain to try to head the ball during soccer.
And when sitting at your desk, you might knock the lamp with your horns and say "Moo!!" Ah!! Cows says "Moo!!", right!!
Let's start Volume 70."Just more silly nonsense, like always, but the picture could in fact be relevant now. O_O
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Guess I should have gone with, "he probably meant" then. But yeah that's from the volume intro, and not I don't think it's too revealing. Pretty sure most people had Akainu's actor identified before he appeared too.
Did they have any basis, or was it simple guess work?
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@The:
Since the issue came back and since nobody answered me (maybe because my english sucks) I ask once more
Based on until now admirals and the relevance of the animal theme with the personality of the characters and the movie characters of the movies that the famous actors was….. We have any candidates that suits the personality of a bull? "Green Bull"?
I hadn't noticed them having any resemblance to their code animal
I mean does Aokiji have some pheasant like quality that i'm not seeing?
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@wolfwoof:
I hadn't noticed them having any resemblance to their code animal
I mean does Aokiji have some pheasant like quality that i'm not seeing?
Well the lazy maybe?
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@The:
Based on until now admirals and the relevance of the animal theme with the personality of the characters and the movie characters of the movies that the famous actors was….. We have any candidates that suits the personality of a bull? "Green Bull"?
I'm not sure I understand your question, so let's just dump some information here: the original Admirals' character designs were all based off of Japanese actors. The actors were not related to the animal theme. The animal theme was separate, and comes from the Momotaro legend. Sentoumaru's name is also connected to that legend, though his design is from Kintarou, who incidentally was friends with animals. That said, Fujitora (Issho) also is designed after a Japanese actor, and his admiral alias also comes from the Momotaro legend. CCC explains it in this thread, but basically the gate in the tale is where we get both of the new admirals' names from. The last admiral (Green Bull) is being discussed on this page.
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Well, not a literal gate, but that's the idea.
I wasn't the one who discovered this connection, but here's the summary again:
So… northeast is considered an unlucky direction, where demons (oni) come from, and is designated as "kimon" (demon gate) or "ushitora" (bull-tiger) because of the relation between the cardinal directions and the zodiac animals. As such, the traditional image of the Japanese oni has bull horns and tiger claws/teeth and often a tigerskin loincloth. It is this type traditional oni that Momotaro and his three animal friends (dog, monkey, pheasant) fought on oni island in the fairytale.
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I'm not sure I understand your question, so let's just dump some information here: the original Admirals' character designs were all based off of Japanese actors. The actors were not related to the animal theme. The animal theme was separate, and comes from the Momotaro legend. Sentoumaru's name is also connected to that legend, though his design is from Kintarou, who incidentally was friends with animals. That said, Fujitora (Issho) also is designed after a Japanese actor, and his admiral alias also comes from the Momotaro legend. CCC explains it in this thread, but basically the gate in the tale is where we get both of the new admirals' names from. The last admiral (Green Bull) is being discussed on this page.
The animals have some quirk's or personality that suit to the admirals like the loyal dog (Akainu) and the lazy(?) pheasant (Aokiji)
personaly i think that the tiger for Fujitora is for strategist or planer like the tigers before they attack
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where could I read the momotaro story? (In English please). My knowledge of Japaneese tales is almost as high as my knowledge of egiptian geroglyphics (None). But since I'm Reading a manga based in said folkore, it wouldn´t hurt to read a tale or two ( If they're under 500 pages long, I don´t wanna read no novel unless is really good). So any links?
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Did they have any basis, or was it simple guess work?
There was a method to it, but I can't recall.
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Pheasants aren't lazy…
You could make an argument for the capricious monkey, but even that's a bit of a stretch. Besides manifesting in some attacks (doggy magma fist and pheasant peck), the animals are relevant in name only.
where could I read the momotaro story? (In English please). My knowledge of Japaneese tales is almost as high as my knowledge of egiptian geroglyphics (None). But since I'm Reading a manga based in said folkore, it wouldn´t hurt to read a tale or two ( If they're under 500 pages long, I don´t wanna read no novel unless is really good). So any links?
[http://www.red-herring.com.au/The Story of Momotaro the Peach Boy.pdf
A](http://www.red-herring.com.au/The Story of Momotaro the Peach Boy.pdf)nd Kintaro (Sentomaru + Kuma):
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Yeah i really think who is what animal is totally arbitrary
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thanks CCC. 16 chars
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Kizaru > Light > Yellow > Banana > Monkey; so obvious.
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@CCC:
Pheasants aren't lazy…
You could make an argument for the capricious monkey, but even that's a bit of a stretch. Besides manifesting in some attacks (doggy magma fist and pheasant peck), the animals are relevant in name only.
[http://www.red-herring.com.au/The Story of Momotaro the Peach Boy.pdf
A](http://www.red-herring.com.au/The Story of Momotaro the Peach Boy.pdf)nd Kintaro (Sentomaru + Kuma):
http://www.worldoftales.com/Asian_folktales/Japanese_folktale_29.htmlHey, CCC. Would you have any idea on what's the basis for people's prediction of the actor on whom Akainu was based before it was he appeared?
