I can understand Judar reasoning. It sucks to have been manipulated your whole life. I can understand wanting to go your own way about it rather than follow the path everyone want for you.
I don't really get Hakuryuu on the other hand.
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Kind of hard to believe that Hakuryuu would fall this far. I mean, Judar's logic is so self-centered and egocentric, it has got to take at least an equal amount of egoism to find any appeal or even a common bond in that. But I'm not even mad, the two of them make an absolutely bad ass pair of evil powerhouses. Their inevitable confrontation with Aladdin and Alibaba is going to be very interesting as well.
You forget that they haven't just fallen into depravity, but they've also got all the souls that fell into depravity from the medium. Belial had seen black rukh in Alma Toran so he wouldn't have been surprised by the fact that both Hakuryuu and Judar had it. However he was shocked by the quality of black rukh swirling inside of them. Truly, Judar and Hakuryuu have a different kind of black rukh because their actions and words far surpass the state of mind other fallen people have shown to have (e.g. Cassim, the princess, Al-Thamen members, etc.); they haven't just fallen to the darkside and feel pitiful like Cassim, no, they own the darkside now and revel in the feeling of power they have from it. Even Belial notes that Judar resembles Ill Ilah.
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Oh man, an incredible chapter about Judar and Hakuryuu. Too bad there's a break, I'm eagerly anticipating the next one.
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I can understand Judar reasoning. It sucks to have been manipulated your whole life. I can understand wanting to go your own way about it rather than follow the path everyone want for you.
I don't really get Hakuryuu on the other hand.
He's frustrated with nobody actually doing anything against the horrible ruling of Kou. I'd say that's just about as understandable.
But this whole thing just confuses me about the whole going against fate thing. So despite the white ruhk being Solomon's will - everyone choosing their own fate, why is Hakuryuu's/Judal's logic considered "falling" by it? Shouldn't it be like Mogamett, who was surrounded by white ruhk despite his intentions?
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He's frustrated with nobody actually doing anything against the horrible ruling of Kou. I'd say that's just about as understandable.
But this whole thing just confuses me about the whole going against fate thing. So despite the white ruhk being Solomon's will - everyone choosing their own fate, why is Hakuryuu's/Judal's logic considered "falling" by it? Shouldn't it be like Mogamett, who was surrounded by white ruhk despite his intentions?
Mogamett had white rukh because when it came to actual magicians he had nothing but love for them.
But Hakuryuu and Judar are drawing from intense feelings of anger/hatred in their heart. Even though they both acknowledge that it would be a good and sensible idea to team up with the others since they have a common goal, but they refuse because neither can let go of their resentment. All it would take is for them to forgive or forget and let go of their anger they had during the times they suffered in silence, but that shit isn't easy irl either. So they're both lashing out at the entire world.
Amazing chapter.
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ah, yeah, it's basically the feeling of hatred behind it. While black ruhk is negative feelings, white ruhk is positive feelings.
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So now we have direct rivalry between Solomon's will and Ill Ilah's will.
I find it interesting that both Aladdin and Judar both now have King vessel's in Hakuryuu.
But it makes no sense that Judar laments the fact that Ill Ilah choose him, Hakuryuu lament the fact that the group that most wants to manifest Ill Ilah's will into this world choose him Kingdom and killed the people most precious to him and yet he now serves that exact cause.
Sadly there's been absolutely no development for Alibaba in forever. In fact he seems to be getting further and further away from being at a King level.
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Magi 245 Chinese Scan: http://www.mangabird.com/magi-245-magi
Magi 245 Confirmed Spoilers! > Warning: Done in a rush, and as usual, please note that my level of Japanese is basic at most, so I cannot guarantee the following snippets are completely accurate. In other words, these can be completely wrong, and I left some parts out because I didn’t understand them - besides, this week’s chapter was particularly difficult for me ;_;
The chapter starts in a Kou base (I think) with Judal wondering what does Hakuryuu intend to do, and then shifts to two days before, the day they left the Dungeon. After leaving it, Judal wants to go defeat Gyokuen at once, but Hakuryuu stops him.
He wonders something I don’t completely understand - probably that Judal wanted to kill everyone in Al-Thamen for a while now, but he couldn’t do it. Judal replies that the old hag (Gyokuen) is strong, among other things.
Hakuryuu agrees, and aks Judal to go “somewhere out of [Al-Thamen’s] reach” to train their powers.
Back in the present, Hakuryuu shocks the soldiers by saying he’s going to get back the country from its usurpers, Gyokuen and Kouen.
The captain of the soldiers denies that Kouen is an usurper, and fiercely defends him. Hakuryuu then uses Belial’s power on him.
The following day, Hakuryuu is combining the powers of Zagan and Belial to get the forces he needs to fight Gyokuen.
Judal: "Belial really is great!!". Judal is also protecting this place from Al-Thamen by creating a barrier like the one in Magnostadt. Hakuryuu asks him since when he can create such a thing.
Judal replies that inside “that guys” black rukh… was Matal Mogamett, who was probably the most knowledgeable of all the human magicians. With that, he will become stronger and stronger.
And so, Judal and Hakuryuu continued to acquire new powers (including Hakuryuu using magoi manipulation to analyze the soldiers’ bodies). After ten days, Hakuryuu announces time’s up.
And so, the two of them start laughing and… TBC in Magi 246 :P
! Basically Belial + Zagan is super OP and Judar has the black rukh version of Solomon's Wisdom. -
Oh. It seems like the next general that Sinbad will recruit is gonna be Spartos. Awesome! But I'm really looking forward for Masrur and Sharkkan… And Sasan is Minas Tirith.
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Sensescans released Chapter 40 of Sinbad
http://reader.sensescans.com/reader/read/adventure_of_sinbad/en/5/40/page/1
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Hmmm, looks like Spartos is a little too young to be recruited at this point. Even if Jafar joined the gang at 11, he grew up a very hard life. Spartos looks sheltered as a monk.
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Interesting. Well isn't spartos one of the 4 royalty in sinbads group who joins because of alliances? Maybe this will be the story of that alliance
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All of Sinbad's Generals are citizens who were exiled from their own nations. I imagine that somewhere down the line, Spartos leaves for Sindria since his brother is destined to rule Sasan, and his brother really dislikes Sasan's isolation policies.
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Hinahoho wasn't exiled. He's free to come and go as he pleases.
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Hinahoho wasn't exiled. He's free to come and go as he pleases.
Hinahoho is from the first four(Masmur, Jafar, Hinahoho,Drakon). The refugees are Yamu, Sharkkan,Spartos and Pisti.
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I've been enjoying these informational bits about the different countries in this universe. Be it Baldadd, Magnostadt, first glimpses of Reim, Ohtaka really knows her stuff. Sasan is already very interesting.
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I wonder why dungeon weapon sounds familiar. I don't really expect a dungeon for now.
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I'm loving how Ohtaka is explaining how Sinbad met the Generals, even though I forgot some of them lol
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Well now we know another dungeon adventure is on the way given how absurdly powerful Hakuryuu has become.
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"Or people who can't go back because personal reasons", Yamu was in good standing with Magnostad, wasn't she? There's at least one refugee, and Yamu isn't royalty, isn't she?
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She was the adopted daughter of Mogamett.
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All of Sinbad's Generals are citizens who were exiled from their own nations. I imagine that somewhere down the line, Spartos leaves for Sindria since his brother is destined to rule Sasan, and his brother really dislikes Sasan's isolation policies.
Only four of them are. And even among the 4 some aren't returning for personal reason.
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Judar and Hakuryuu are great. I freaking love their relationship. Again, their goals are understandable, but they're still doing horrible things (geez, that brainwashing is ugly).
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I just love how in sync they both are!
The last few chapters we've got of them interacting with each other have been great.
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Reading comments form other sites, people are not liking this arc with the focus on Haku and Judar but I like it. They desperately needed more screentime imo. But man, that mind fuck is terrible.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of Minas Tirith when looking a Sasan, what a great page that was. I think Mistoras will die for some reason.
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Sinbad may be questionable but Hakryuu is definitely on a whole other level. And that djinn power is totally hax. But in exchange he lacks variety. I hope it stays that way. I don't like Judar having access to the knowledge of Magomett. He does have an interesting relationship with Haku nonetheless. Strange to see him have such a normal and decent relationship.
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The only thing this arc is doing is building more expectation for the growth of Alibaba which we all know is pointless as he's quite literally the weakest of the King vessels in the entire manga and seemingly kept that way on purpose.
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
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The only thing this arc is doing is building more expectation for the growth of Alibaba which we all know is pointless as he's quite literally the weakest of the King vessels in the entire manga and seemingly kept that way on purpose.
I hate it when we have a hero who is progressing painfully slow. Tends to end up with said hero becoming inexplicably strong when the time or plot calls for it. Hope this doesn't happen with Alibaba. He deserves a dungeon hunting arc.
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The only thing this arc is doing is building more expectation for the growth of Alibaba which we all know is pointless as he's quite literally the weakest of the King vessels in the entire manga and seemingly kept that way on purpose.
I consider him stronger than anyone lacking multiple vessels and Muu. I can't picture him weaker than Kouha for example.
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I consider him stronger than anyone lacking multiple vessels and Muu. I can't picture him weaker than Kouha for example.
Neither really count as King vessels though.
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
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Alibaba has the potential to outshine everyone, or atleast be a prominent enough stand alone leader. One of the biggest things I'm looking forward to is seeing how he and his household grows up and matures. It's one of the aspects that makes me prefer someone like him and his household over the "special child that gets almost everything" Sinbad.
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Reading comments form other sites, people are not liking this arc with the focus on Haku and Judar but I like it. They desperately needed more screentime imo. But man, that mind fuck is terrible.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of Minas Tirith when looking a Sasan, what a great page that was. I think Mistoras will die for some reason.
Those people are stupid. They're the same ones who complained about the Alma Toran arc being too long, and then cried when Ohtaka rushed the ending.
This arc is important since it explains what Judar and Hakuryuu were up to since Magnostadt – especially their fall into depravity and forming of their partnership. We've seen more character growth in the past few chapters than in the past 2 arcs, which is amazing to say the least.
The only thing this arc is doing is building more expectation for the growth of Alibaba which we all know is pointless as he's quite literally the weakest of the King vessels in the entire manga and seemingly kept that way on purpose.
Alibaba's weakness is his strength, since he's the only one who can actually unite the world. Alibaba is the person who Hakuryuu, Kouen and Sinbad once were before they were led astray by their ideals.
Like Alibaba, Hakuryuu had his kingdom stolen by others. However, whereas Alibaba let go of his hatred in order to ensure the safety and prosperity of his people, Hakuryuu could not do the same. I'm not saying he should've rolled over for Al-Thamen, but he could've easily continued to work with Aladdin and co. to save Kou. Instead, he opted to fall into depravity and work with Judar.
Like Alibaba, Kouen was a prince who only wanted what was best for the people. However, whereas Alibaba chose to work as an intermediary between the powerful and weak alike, Kouen chose to seize power as soon as it was available. Kouen's greed got the better of him, and now while he has become powerful, he has also became arrogant. He wants to conquer the world through force and ease in equality over generations; lots of suffering now on the off-chance that everyone will be able to live in peace some day. Kouen will use and manipulate everyone within his kingdom rather than work the people.
Like Alibaba, Sinbad wanted to create a peaceful country that works with others. However, due to his history with Al-Thamen, Sinbad eventually became manipulative and shrewd which greatly deviates from the man he once was (i.e. Adventure of Sinbad story). Instead of working with others, he resorts to tricks, charm and spells to get what he wants. He even reflects on this with Ja'far. The world Sinbad desires is not the one he originally wanted, but one that's "good enough".
Alibaba is a man who embraces his weaknesses in order to become strong. Strength is not power alone, but also kindness. Like his father before him, Alibaba will work with other nations and guide them down a prosperous path. He does not hold grudges over people and he is a just person who would never resort to trickery. He is the man most like Solomon since he wants to create a world united through goodwill rather than tyranny. Solomon never wanted to become the king of everyone, which is basically what Hakuryuu, Kouen and Sinbad are aiming for. Aladdin, as Solomon's heir, senses these things which is why he made Alibaba his King Candidate. Aladdin will create the world his parents couldn't by crowning Alibaba as a King of the people who will work with others, regardless of their past history, to create a prosperous world. Alibaba will become the king Cassim saw in his visions just before he died – a king who worked with the weak and poor to make them strong and prosperous.
I hate it when we have a hero who is progressing painfully slow. Tends to end up with said hero becoming inexplicably strong when the time or plot calls for it. Hope this doesn't happen with Alibaba. He deserves a dungeon hunting arc.
Alibaba is already strong, just in a different way. Whether or not he needs another djinn is another story, but he already has the means to destroy any metal vessel through the power of Amon's flame. Even Muu's overpowered vessel couldn't break Amon's flame sword.
Neither really count as King vessels though.
Anyone chosen by a djinn is a king vessel.
Muu is currently the main representative of Reim and the Fanalis, and Kouha is the representative of the weak and forgotten minorities within the Kou Empire. They are both kings in their own right.
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I already can't see Alibaba leading a country, so the world… I seriously doubt he would be able to rule the way he is. As for Solomon considering his way lead to world destruction I doubt he is a great example.
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I already can't see Alibaba leading a country, so the world… I seriously doubt he would be able to rule the way he is. As for Solomon considering his way lead to world destruction I doubt he is a great example.
Judging Alibaba's character, if he was offered to lead the world I can almost guarantee he would turn it down, saying it's not right to have one person rule an entire world.
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Can someone explain Judar's motivations? I don't see why he refuses to work with Alladin and Alibaba when they both have the same goal of destroying Al Thamen.
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Can someone explain Judar's motivations? I don't see why he refuses to work with Alladin and Alibaba when they both have the same goal of destroying Al Thamen.
He wants to get to get revenge not simply do the right thing. That means really destroying Al-Tharmen and all those who controlled him while the others merely wants to win.
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To put it another way: He doesn't want to just beat Al-Thamen, he wants to DESTROY them. Kill them using any means necessary.
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I can understand the guy. It must sucks to have been control your own life. Especially if it is just thanks to bad luck
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You could call it fate. He was destined to be born a Magi. But Al-Thamen was determined to corrupt a Magi for their own purposes.
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Meh. He just either was unlucky enough to be choose by Igo or unlucky enough to be the available baby magi. Shitty luck. Although since he is a manga character you can call it faith.
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Magi 246 Spoiler
! - Hakuryuu mindfucks the soldiers who came to the base by continually showing them images of their families being slaughtered by Kouen and Gyokuen for 6 days
- Hakuryuu increases the strength of his soldiers through Zagan's power
- Kouen was using Phenex's power to control Hakuryuu's anger (the "gimmick" Judar was talking about/when Kouen told Alibaba he was "inducing" Hakuryuu) towards him and Al-Thamen, which caused Hakuryuu a lot of internal suffering
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- Judar teleports the new monstrous soldiers to the Kou Empire capital and uses long-distance clairvoyant magic to show the generals Hakuryuu's memories of what Gyokuen did in the past
- Gyokuen sits there smiling like a creep
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! Still can't sympathize with Hakuryuu.
-Tsukuyomi? Mind raping people is bad.
-Mind raping people and fucking up there bodies is super bad.
-Controlling people seems like a side power many djinn have. But only Haku has the djinn made for it.
-Looking forward to some good action with crazy empress.
! Haku is still either mad or an ass. Not sure if I should compare him to Sasuke. -
! Still can't sympathize with Hakuryuu.
-Tsukuyomi? Mind raping people is bad.
-Mind raping people and fucking up there bodies is super bad.
-Controlling people seems like a side power many djinn have. But only Haku has the djinn made for it.
-Looking forward to some good action with crazy empress.
! Haku is still either mad or an ass. Not sure if I should compare him to Sasuke.! - He's breaking down their spirits and using their pain to make them into better soldiers. As far as Hakuryuu is concerned, the soldiers are traitors for siding with Kouen and Gyokuen.
- This chapter reveals that a lot of the hatred and inner turmoil was amplified by Kouen. He basically put a shock collar on Hakuryuu which damaged his mental stability. Any time he would get angry, Phenex's power would induce him. His conscious would realize there's something wrong, but it was powerless to do anything. As you can see from the RAW images, this really did a number on Hakuryuu's psychological state, and his hatred would just get worse and worse since he was not able to release it – it became all pent up and now he's going to rage like the Hulk.
- I still wouldn't lump him together with Sasuke since their goals have been consistently different. Yes, they both want revenge, but Hakuryuu's anger has been consistently aimed towards Al-Thamen and Kouen for usurping the throne and poisoning the Kou Empire. Gyokuen killed his brothers and father, is threatening his sister, and wants to destroy the world. Kouen, despite knowing all of this, did nothing. He took over and worked with Al-Thamen for his own pursuits. Yes, what Hakuryuu has done to the soldiers is morally wrong, but is not categorically wrong when you consider he's the lesser evil. They would all be killed sooner or later anyways given Al-Thamen wants to summon Ill Ilah and destroy the world.
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! - He's breaking down their spirits and using their pain to make them into better soldiers. As far as Hakuryuu is concerned, the soldiers are traitors for siding with Kouen and Gyokuen.
- This chapter reveals that a lot of the hatred and inner turmoil was amplified by Kouen. He basically put a shock collar on Hakuryuu which damaged his mental stability. Any time he would get angry, Phenex's power would induce him. His conscious would realize there's something wrong, but it was powerless to do anything. As you can see from the RAW images, this really did a number on Hakuryuu's psychological state, and his hatred would just get worse and worse since he was not able to release it – it became all pent up and now he's going to rage like the Hulk.
- I still wouldn't lump him together with Sasuke since their goals have been consistently different. Yes, they both want revenge, but Hakuryuu's anger has been consistently aimed towards Al-Thamen and Kouen for usurping the throne and poisoning the Kou Empire. Gyokuen killed his brothers and father, is threatening his sister, and wants to destroy the world. Kouen, despite knowing all of this, did nothing. He took over and worked with Al-Thamen for his own pursuits. Yes, what Hakuryuu has done to the soldiers is morally wrong, but is not categorically wrong when you consider he's the lesser evil. They would all be killed sooner or later anyways given Al-Thamen wants to summon Ill Ilah and destroy the world.
! -I didn't say in Hakuryuu mind it didn't made sense(everyone makes sense of his own actions normally) but that he crossed the line of questionable into mad man with no common sense.
-So you agree on him going crazy?
-If his struggle in the dungeon and the argument with the soldier have convince me of something it is that Haku don't even think he has a good reason to go after Kouen. He is just to mad at everyone to accept cooperation and want to rampage. I can easilily accept Judar rampaging because he has nothing, was always about war and had a shitty childhood. It bothers me with Hakuryuu because he just seems to be becoming a bigger pain in the ass everytime he appears. He doesn't need that path he chose it purely out of anger(or bloodlust). I don't see how he is that different from Sasuke who turned on evryone because of his revenge and got worse and worse.
! About mind control since he is mind-raping them,using them as weapon and doing experiment on them, I think we can call it wrong. Maybe not bad but definitely wrong. And considering Sinbad and Alibaba exist and the whole rant of the dungeon which was about destroying everything in our path by ourselvelves even if we know we shouldn't, I say he isn't the lesser evil and he know it.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Haven't see Enzeru. People tends to disappear nowadays.
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I understand that Judar could have been lying, but he said he didn't care about what Al Thamen did.
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I understand that he could have been lying, but he said he didn't care about what Al Thamen did.
Judar? Read his rant in the dungeon where he is forced to tell the true.
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! -I didn't say in Hakuryuu mind it didn't made sense(everyone makes sense of his own actions normally) but that he crossed the line of questionable into mad man with no common sense.
-So you agree on him going crazy?
-If his struggle in the dungeon and the argument with the soldier have convince me of something it is that Haku don't even think he has a good reason to go after Kouen. He is just to mad at everyone to accept cooperation and want to rampage. I can easilily accept Judar rampaging because he has nothing, was always about war and had a shitty childhood. It bothers me with Hakuryuu because he just seems to be becoming a bigger pain in the ass everytime he appears. He doesn't need that path he chose it purely out of anger(or bloodlust). I don't see how he is that different from Sasuke who turned on evryone because of his revenge and got worse and worse.
! About mind control since he is mind-raping them,using them as weapon and doing experiment on them, I think we can call it wrong. Maybe not bad but definitely wrong. And considering Sinbad and Alibaba exist and the whole rant of the dungeon which was about destroying everything in our path by ourselvelves even if we know we shouldn't, I say he isn't the lesser evil and he know it.! - How does he lack common sense?
- I wouldn't say he went crazy. He has fallen into depravity, but he's not a maniac or anything like Gyokuen with her crazy ass smile and shit. He just let out all of the pent up anger and hatred and it has overwhelmed him completely. Even Belial was surprised with Hakuryuu's state of mind.
- Hakuryuu isn't just mad at everyone. He's mad at Al-Thamen and the people helping Al-Thamen (i.e. Kouen). He's mad at Al-Thamen for taking over his nation, and he's mad at Kouen for working with them despite that. He's mad that they have usurped his thrown and will sacrifice others to get what they want. Yes, it's hypocritical given he's now doing the same thing as Kouen, but his desperation is what led him to fall. In the end, though, he's the lesser evil compared to Kouen and Al-Thamen. Kouen wants to conquer the world through power, violence and slavery while Al-Thamen wants to destroy the new world. Hakuryuu just wants to save the empire and defeat Al-Thamen.
! Keep in mind that Hakuryuu hasn't met Aladdin and co. since he left them pre-time skip. Sasuke had Naruto constantly trying to help him during each arc of Naruto Part 2, and even had Itachi try to save him himself. Sasuke's hatred didn't make sense given Itachi killed his clan in order to prevent a civil war that was about to plunge the world into another world war. Sasuke perverted Itachi's noble sacrifice, and in the end, he finally after realized how stupid he was acting. Hakuryuu on the other hand is doing what needs to be done, albeit not in the best way. The Kou Empire is a serious aggressor which is destroying countless civilizations in order to spread the Kou Empire ideals. Kouen is open about his desire to commit genocide and become the single King uniting the world. Al-Thamen wants to destroy the world created with Solomon's rukh. Hakuryuu can stop all that.
Also, an addition to the 246 spoiler I posted earlier
! Regarding Hakuryuu's struggle and Phenex:
! Right now I could kill that woman!"
! Hakuryuu struggles in pain
! "What! Hakuryuu…?! Huh?! Who… are you?!"
! "My name is Phenex, the djinn of Life and Arbitration. For the life of my king… I have been controlling this person’s intent to kill"
! FYI: Phenex’s magic was placed on Hakuryuu after his previous attempt to attack Gyokuen; it’s triggered when he feels killing intends towards Gyokuen, Kouen, Koumei or Kouha. And the one who explains this is Gyouken.
