It's that time again on Saturday evening, better get to my computer and…Oh wait, I don't have one.
Title: ''Shocking! The Identity of the Mystery Man Vergo!''
Chapters Covered: 673
New Characters: Commodore Yarisugi
Animation Director: Toshio Deguchi (**)
Time: 8:30PM EST
Watch It: www.onepieceofficial.com (If this comes out all smushed together, it's because I'm posting from a mobile device. I'd be very grateful if another mod can edit it into the proper format)
599: ''Shocking! The Identity of the Mystery Man Vergo!''
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Stream: http://www.justin.tv/cc0721oppai#/w/5861894400/3 Poor opening post.
And preview:
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Did I just see that Universal Studios Japan is doing a live re-enactment of this arc?!
SWEET!!!
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LOOOOOL Yarisugi is fucking Yao hahahha
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SPOILER ALERT! Doflamingo blows up during the next arc!
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I thought it was strange that they sometimes focused on random angles of Monet while Vergo was talking to the captives…other than that, though, I enjoyed the episode.
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Episode was okay. I liked how it built up to the revelation of Joker's identity at the end.
However, the Yarisugi part almost bored me to death. -
I liked the episode. I like the ending with the revelation, but for some reason the manga did it better, but you can't really complain. good episode none the less.
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lame as usual
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Did I just see that Universal Studios Japan is doing a live re-enactment of this arc?!
SWEET!!!
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I caught up and honestly I've been really liking the direction the anime's been going lately. I watched it by Yibis though which means the quality looks like it's truly supposed to, and I've gotta warn you guys who are going that route: the snow from Punk Hazard will glitch your computer out something crazy. My media player (MPCHC with Mad-VR) can play the Evangelion Rebuilds, all kinds of intensive stuff but apparently Punk Hazard's constant snow is too much for it when you pile the other stuff on.
As for this episode, I really liked it. I think a break from the One Piece anime has made me come to appreciate it more. Monet always has some nice detail to her as well as Caesar and yeah, when Toei doesn't have to animate millions of muppet people they can do quite decent.
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An alright episode. The content from the manga and that ending is what saved it, 'm afraid. Definitely better than last week's, anyway.
My only beef with it all is the art and animation. Every shot of Robin was a complete, absolute and disgusting mess of art direction to the point she didn't even look like the same character. Whatever happened to the super detailed, glistening-haired Robin from Enies Lobby? Vergo and Monet also had some really wonky shots.
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Whack episode and next week will be as well -10/10.
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Maybe I should go on a break then, because I found the pacing for this episode to be rather pathetic.
- Filler in the beginning was pointless.
- Too much time spent on "CANDY!"
- Too much time spent on slime falling.
- Then it gets to the interesting part, the conversation, and they add in random moments of Vergo monologuing and breaking a shot glass with haki.
The last couple episodes I could forgive, but this one was just dull and painful.
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Vergo breaking that glass with haki was really pathetic
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I knew this episode was going to be terrible right from the beginning. The way they animated Vergo beating Law was just atrocious, they looked more like love taps rather than a vicious beating. Vergo hardening his hand and forearm in order break that glass made me chortle. xD
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Maybe I should go on a break then, because I found the pacing for this episode to be rather pathetic.
- Filler in the beginning was pointless.
- Too much time spent on "CANDY!"
- Too much time spent on slime falling.
- Then it gets to the interesting part, the conversation, and they add in random moments of Vergo monologuing and breaking a shot glass with haki.
The last couple episodes I could forgive, but this one was just dull and painful.
I couldn't get over that when I saw the preview last week..
Why would anyone (a Vice Admiral especially) need to use haki to break a cup?
Someone said it was to hype how powerful he was, but seriously?
Adding the filler of him beating Law over and over instead of just sticking to one good whack to the head de-hyped him, for me at least.. -
Maybe it was a really tough glass…?
I never would've thought that I'd be skipping OP episodes but I haven't been watching it since 587 I think and am just reading your comments to know if something interesting happens (so far nothing happened that would make me go back to watching the show).
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you guys are way to hard on the anime. The first time ever watched it weekly and it looks great to me.
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you guys are way to hard on the anime. The first time ever watched it weekly and it looks great to me.
When I look at the location you're from, I can see why.
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One Piece - Now with even more Law pwnage than ever before!
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People actually hated this episode? :wassat: I didn't find it too bad. At least the ending was awesome and the music choices were just perfect! Sometimes episodes just go slow; it can't be helped.
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Lol I made that when I was 13. lmao
But seriously though its not as bad as people are making it out to be.
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Lol I made that when I was 13. lmao
But seriously though its not as bad as people are making it out to be.
I agree. It covered the manga content fairly well.
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This one had a pretty jarring shift in animation and art quality at the exact moment Caesar Clown appeared in front of the children. Beforehand, there were a lot of sequences that if I didn't know any better, I swear were handled by Deguchi's team–choppy animation, and more oddly freehand artwork. That team also really likes giving characters rounded teeth. The beating Vergo gave Law looked terrible and just check out Usopp:
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After CC appears, it clearly looks like it is handled by a team with a better hand at animating and drawing the characters, though a few faces looked slightly odd (Tashigi in Smokers's body for example) but the animation quality of their facial expressions more than makes up for it. However, I agree with how the glass broke in Vergo's hand looked pretty weak.
At any rate it was a fairly well-paced episode. While I think the way they handled Commodore Yarisugi was good, Toei kind of fucked it up. The filler of him getting a nosebleed geyser while lusting about Tashigi was stupid, and they removed the french fries off of Vergo's face while the one father was talking about him.
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How exactly do budgets for the episodes work. I mean am not entirely sure but most animation is done on computers, which are already there and don't have to be constantly bought and stuff. The guys who do art should somehow be implicitly expected to produce the best work they can, since that is their work and producing shoddy stuff shouldn't be tolerated.
So when you guys say that, a particular scene of an episode seems to have been given more budget to work with, what exactly do you mean by that? Is it that the animators and artists get are going to get overtime or something?
Better yet, whats the difference between the guys who work on HxH over at madhouse and produce top quality stuff every week and the guys who work on One piece?
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@Mr.:
This one had a pretty jarring shift in animation and art quality at the exact moment Caesar Clown appeared in front of the children. Beforehand, there were a lot of sequences that if I didn't know any better, I swear were handled by Deguchi's team–choppy animation, and more oddly freehand artwork. That team also really likes giving characters rounded teeth. The beating Vergo gave Law looked terrible and just check out Usopp:
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After CC appears, it clearly looks like it is handled by a team with a better hand at animating and drawing the characters, though a few faces looked slightly odd (Tashigi in Smokers's body for example) but the animation quality of their facial expressions more than makes up for it. However, I agree with how the glass broke in Vergo's hand looked pretty weak.
That part could be the work of Saito Mayu or Noriko Ozeki, good animators who usually works with the good Animation Directors. Looks like their KA was left uncorrected by Deguchi, thank god.
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The One Piece anime team stopped caring about making quality content 200 episodes ago, while the HxH team has not. People will eat up whatever shit Toei puts out when it comes to One Piece, so there is little reason for them to change their work ethic at this point…sadly.
It's Toei itself, not the actual anime staff.
It's not series director that should be to blame for the 1-episode-1-chapter pacing. It's TOEI ITSELF that ignores the One Piece TV.
Toei focus on Toriko, Precure and Seiya only. The One Piece staff are hard-working all the time. But they don't have enough money, and can't do anything they want to do, for example, making a 10-episode-long filler arc.
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By the way, the new producer of One Piece TV, 櫻田博之 (Hiroyuki Sakurada), is a hard-working one. He's far away better that the last one, 柴田宏明. However, though proucers hold more rights of speech, there are a lot of things that they cannot help.
The set up of chief animation director (総作画監督) credits to Sakurada. At least in the art wise, the PH arc is better than the previous arcs.
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@Galaxy:
It's Toei itself, not the actual anime staff.
So it has nothing to do with budget?
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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So it has nothing to do with budget?
My assumption is that Toei doesn't give the staff a good enough budget, which results in them being unable to produce consistently good episodes.
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@Galaxy:
My assumption is that Toei doesn't give the staff a good enough budget, which results in them being unable to produce consistently good episodes.
Ok, if you know, would you mind explaining to me how the budget actually works? As in is the poor quality due to budget mainly attributed to the fact that the guys don't get paid overtime but when they are paid they work hard?
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Ok, if you know, would you mind explaining to me how the budget actually works? As in is the poor quality due to budget mainly attributed to the fact that the guys don't get paid overtime but when they are paid they work hard?
I'm no expert animation wise and more experienced people are welcome to correct me if i'm wrong but animation is hand drawn. With that in mind you can imagine how many people are needed in order to produce one episode. The lower the budget, the more stills are added to the animation and you have less money to pay decent animators so they outsource the animation.
I read somewhere that the cost of one episode varies from US$ 100,000-300,000 and it takes an average of three months to be completed.
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bad animation, bad drawing, bad pacing: pretty easily the worst episode of saga
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@Mr.:
Way to kill a joke.
Here – hold on, let me bring in Brook. Or more precisely, his crown-hat. In the manga, it's topped with snow that's built up, making it look like a second white afro. They've completely ignored that in the anime. I don't imagine it's that hard to draw snow on the man's head.
It's like they don't even pay attention to the fucking source material.
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The anime has really gone downhill. The discussion has even lowered. Were down to 2-3 measly pages
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bad animation, bad drawing, bad pacing: pretty easily the worst episode of saga
Did you skip past the Brownbeard episodes at the lake?
Because that was worse than this.
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eww,law got beaten by vergo –"
And for the ending,I think rather than just seing DD swinging his body ;it would be cooler if the camera just goes from down to up (while law narrating) ,then the scene stops at DD smiling face (with the "DOONNGG" BGM) -
Surprised this episode got so much hate. I mean, the anime's been in shambles for a long time now but relative to what we're used to, I really enjoyed this episode. Lots of jumping around makes pacing feel better and the stuff in the lab is pretty interesting. Kind of wish they didn't preview Doflamingo though. It's less dramatic when you get the reveal and then listen to Law for 20 more seconds before the "actual" reveal.
As for the glass smash, chalk it up to Vergo forgetting he could break it without Haki.
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Someone needs to contact toei and tell them to get their shit together ffs and stop half assing the anime…
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