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Criticism of One Piece
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I don't care about the thread really, but I feel bad for the fans who get disillusioned with the series with join dates like October 2012 or November 2012. They never even got that moment of bliss where they could just sit back and enjoy the series. That's pretty tragic, honestly, especially with an arc that many are considering in their top 3 or 5 arcs like Punk Hazard.
You can't make too much of an accurate assumption with join dates alone. I have been visiting Arlong Park Forums since Fall of 2008, but only recently have I decided to make an account.
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You can't make too much of an accurate assumption with join dates alone. I have been visiting Arlong Park Forums since Fall of 2008, but only recently have I decided to make an account.
It's usually a pretty good indicator if you go by introduction threads. Most of the people in there say they just caught up with One Piece a few months or weeks ago (for the really adventurous ones). But yeah, you can never fully assume. I usually just go by someone's posting style to see if they're really a new member, new to forums, new to One Piece, if they've been around OP longer than their join date lets on, etc.
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Garp's fist of love is seemingly hinted to be CoA haki. If so, it was introduced at less 15 volumes before the time skip.
I meant FORMALLY introduced. You know, something like Garp actually explaining what the actual fuck was "First of Love" and why it worked against him. I actually like the idea of Haki being powered by strong emotions like love. (explaining why comic relief scenes of Nami and Sanji beating Luffy actually hurt him, discussed in a SBS as being love), but despite having three characters already capable of using it. We have yet to know how the fuck Color of Armaments works. Is it emotion powered? Does it required you to wish really really hard to punch someone?
Luffy probably knew, after seeing other people besides his grandfather hurt him with blunt attacks, that there was a way to bypass DF users abilities.
But this is Luffy we're talking about here.Luffy is an idiot, but he is a combat genius. If Zoro can figure out, in the middle of a battle of life or death, how to listen to the "breath of all things" and suddenly be capable of slicing steel, the I don't see what would stop Luffy from realizing CoA in a similar situation life or death .
Well, that's just you.
Hitting a logia with CoA didn't really need to be built up since it's going to happen a lot in the future.
The first logia Luffy hit with CoA post-skip was Caribou and he didn't really have much going for him besides his DF ability.Cutting steel with Breath of all things didn't really need to be built up since it was going to happen soon or later.
Thankfully for us, Alabasta is an example of a good arc and character development. I'm glad the ability to cut steel was given a proper care and build up with a climax instead of "LOL, I just learned it off-screen" like CoAYou're making no sense. They haven't even reached the end of the Grand Line. They've just recently passed the half way point.
Do you really believe that just because they didn't have a hard time taking down the New Fishman Pirates that every strong opponent in Paradise (Crocodile, Enel, Moriah, CP9, Kuma, etc.) couldn't do the same thing?I said, in the very paragraph you quoted me, that I wasn't referring to the New World. So it was obvious that I was referring to the first half of the Grand Line. Oda made so much big deal of the "New World" as the second half term that I didn't really think I need to use paradise/first-half of Grandline.
We don't really know how strong the drugged NFM Pirates were compared to earlier threats the Straw hats faced at the first-half, but I am damn sure that at least some SH would have a more harder time without the time-skip.
Luffy has not mastered CoA.
Did you miss the page where Luffy stated that his CoA wasn't strong enough to withstand cutting and piercing attacks?I said he had mastered to the point of being capable of grabbing Caesar. I didn't say that he mastered all of it's potential. My point is that Logias are no longer a concern for him, that should had deserved a build up and climax. Like you said, my opinion but it still counts as criticism of mine over the way Oda is handling CoA
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I meant FORMALLY introduced. You know, something like Garp actually explaining what the actual fuck was "First of Love" and why it worked against him. I actually like the idea of Haki being powered by strong emotions like love. (explaining why comic relief scenes of Nami and Sanji beating Luffy actually hurt him, discussed in a SBS as being love), but despite having three characters already capable of using it. We have yet to know how the fuck Color of Armaments works. Is it emotion powered? Does it required you to wish really really hard to punch someone?
Luffy is an idiot, but he is a combat genius. If Zoro can figure out, in the middle of a battle of life or death, how to listen to the "breath of all things" and suddenly be capable of slicing steel, the I don't see what would stop Luffy from realizing CoA in a similar situation life or death .
Cutting steel with Breath of all things didn't really need to be built up since it was going to happen soon or later.
Thankfully for us, Alabasta is an example of a good arc and character development. I'm glad the ability to cut steel was given a proper care and build up with a climax instead of "LOL, I just learned it off-screen" like CoAI said, in the very paragraph you quoted me, that I wasn't referring to the New World. So it was obvious that I was referring to the first half of the Grand Line. Oda made so much big deal of the "New World" as the second half term that I didn't really think I need to use paradise/first-half of Grandline.
We don't really know how strong the drugged NFM Pirates were compared to earlier threats the Straw hats faced at the first-half, but I am damn sure that at least some SH would have a more harder time without the time-skip.
I said he had mastered to the point of being capable of grabbing Caesar. I didn't say that he mastered all of it's potential. My point is that Logias are no longer a concern for him, that should had deserved a build up and climax. Like you said, my opinion but it still counts as criticism of mine over the way Oda is handling CoA
This statement right here proves you dont really read the manga and therefore makes everything you say the ramblings of a moron.
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I hate the idea of haki taking over so much, and agree with the series losing its charm since the timeskip started. The straw hats seem hollow, and especially noticeable in Luffy who feels a like an imitation of himself now. Alabasta, Jaya, Water Seven, all of those had a shit ton of character development. Deep character development. The later arcs show glimpses here and there, but lately it hasn't been delivering. I dunno…
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Yeah people should start using, like, intimidation attacks on enemies that require Haki or something.
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I hate the idea of haki taking over so much, and agree with the series losing its charm since the timeskip started. The straw hats seem hollow, and especially noticeable in Luffy who feels a like an imitation of himself now. Alabasta, Jaya, Water Seven, all of those had a shit ton of character development. Deep character development. The later arcs show glimpses here and there, but lately it hasn't been delivering. I dunno…
It seems my friend that your comparison is a bit unfair. You should compare punk hazard to whiskey peak, it is only then you will realize that the arc is pretty good.Furthermore it would do no good to believe that after the ts the story will progress in a similar fashion, it is obvious the story will change in it's style,it may appeal to some and some would want to go back to the "good old days".
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Even throughout the Marineford war and after the time skip, the most clear and powerful threats have been DF based.
I haven't seen a single example of "haki is the answer to all" like some people think is happening.Are we reading the same manga?
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But logias are invencible without haki , that a lot unfair just look at CC , he neutralized all the crew becuase they couldnt touch him or enel , we dont know how they far off equally and it seems cheating and other thing i hope oda doesnt created a new nakam becasue he barely see the crew together , another one would just got in the mix.
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But logias are invencible without haki , that a lot unfair just look at CC , he neutralized all the crew becuase they couldnt touch him or enel , we dont know how they far off equally and it seems cheating and other thing i hope oda doesnt created a new nakam becasue he barely see the crew together , another one would just got in the mix.
I don't think it would have been a different outcome if CC would not have been a logia, as long as he would still have control over gas. He neutralized the crew because he simply removed the oxygen around them, no amount of anything can help you if you suffocate and remain in the airless zone.
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Even throughout the Marineford war and after the time skip, the most clear and powerful threats have been DF based.
I haven't seen a single example of "haki is the answer to all" like some people think is happening.Are we reading the same manga?
I actualy think we should have a few people with no fruit powers around top tier. Just for the sake of diversity.
And yes, Oda is bad with the fake-out "deaths" and underusing some characters but he's no Akira Miyashita.
Also he doesn't hate animals, which again, makes him not-Akira Miyashita. -
Dude, Hancock kicked a puppy and a baby seal. Get PETA on this guy…
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But logias are invencible without haki , that a lot unfair just look at CC , he neutralized all the crew becuase they couldnt touch him or enel , we dont know how they far off equally and it seems cheating and other thing i hope oda doesnt created a new nakam becasue he barely see the crew together , another one would just got in the mix.
Crocodile wasn't. He got bested by liquid.
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even if you have method to fight logia, be it universal method, that works for all, like haki, or some specific method like liquid against sand or being rubber against lightning, one still need to be fast enough to hit logia with one's attack, durable enough to not be beaten by logia and strong enough to overpower logia. Without haki one can only count on luck to find out logias specific weakness to even have the possibility to lend solid hit
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Just wondering why isn't this thread called " Bitching about logias and Haki " or something like that , instead of "Criticism Of One Piece" since all i see is haki this and that or logias this and that .
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Just wondering why isn't this thread called " Bitching about logias and Haki " or something like that , instead of "Criticism Of One Piece" since all i see is haki this and that or logias this and that .
oh no, you're wrong it's also the tread about bitching about One Piece not having same spirit after timeskip as before and characters being shadows or caricatures of themselves
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A legit criticism is the principle cast (ie Strawhats) is too big. Such that most dont really do anything, kinda like Lost (the show). Further compounded by the fact not every arc is gonna have a focused villian force equal in number to the strwhats with proper match up and battles. Which brings up another flaw, how much should they struggle with a second rate villian team?
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oh no, you're wrong it's also the tread about bitching about One Piece not having same spirit after timeskip as before and characters being shadows or caricatures of themselves
Isn't that retarded , they are comparing the timeskip WHICH DOESN"T EVEN HAVE 100 CHAPTERS yet to part 1 which has about 596 chapters , is that really fair??? this is the second freaking arc of the timeskip , i now can clearly see why most of the people on this site don't give a shit about this thread .
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Isn't that retarded , they are comparing the timeskip WHICH DOESN"T EVEN HAVE 100 CHAPTERS yet to part 1 which has about 596 chapters , is that really fair??? this is the second freaking arc of the timeskip , i now can clearly see why most of the people on this site don't give a shit about this thread .
I wouldn't call most people who complain retarded. I'd say it's too quick to judge the story and I don't agree with those who claim, that the story or the characters become shallow, but since majority that I could say have already be pointed out by other people in this thread I won't elaborate. I mostly read this thread, because sometimes someone says something that makes me look at things from different angle.
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@No:
I actualy think we should have a few people with no fruit powers around top tier. Just for the sake of diversity.
And yes, Oda is bad with the fake-out "deaths" and underusing some characters but he's no Akira Miyashita.
Also he doesn't hate animals, which again, makes him not-Akira Miyashita.Like Shanks? If he had a DF, he couldn't have saved Luffy from the sea king.
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Now is even worse.Now is just Luffy and his first mate
Even the boring monster trio sound good to me now.
I want to see good Franky or Robin fight,but that will probably never gonna happen.I agree….... indeed
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I has hoping that oda wouldn t fall for the mistake , but he is creating to many characters to follow making the strory a lot harder to understand and people have diferent characters and tastes , so i has hoping he finished some things but he is bulding up.
And pell death and ace death felt robbed , in pell case it took away the danger why did they need to difuse it if anyone could survive a horrible plot hole and i would prefer if ace died in a 100 batle against a yonkou. -
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I actualy think we should have a few people with no fruit powers around top tier. Just for the sake of diversity.
Silvers. Rayleigh.
Remember, he swam.I'm also getting the vibe some people here consider characters "doing nothing" unless they are paired against a named villain on one-on-one shounen slugfest. Nope, them actually doing something to pertain to their profession, make use of their unique skills to support, or shine their characteristics certainly do not count, might as well be invisible amirite?
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Rayleigh, garp zoro and sanji , gold roger ben beckam.
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Silvers. Rayleigh.
Remember, he swam.I'm also getting the vibe some people here consider characters "doing nothing" unless they are paired against a named villain on one-on-one shounen slugfest. Nope, them actually doing something to pertain to their profession, make use of their unique skills to support, or shine their characteristics certainly do not count, might as well be invisible amirite?
I wouldn't mind this at all, it's just that when Franky goes off "to do his profession" it's usually (not always) done off screen. I'm looking forward to when we will actually follow Franky's engineering pursuits in action.
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I wouldn't mind this at all, it's just that when Franky goes off "to do his profession" it's usually (not always) done off screen. I'm looking forward to when we will actually follow Franky's engineering pursuits in action.
You just want to see Giant Robo Franky Godzilla a city.
Admit it.I do.
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You just want to see Giant Robo Franky Godzilla a city.
Admit it.I do.
LMAO. Yessir!!
I actually posted in the "Things I would Like to See" thread that I want to see a Franky go ultra Zoid and show us all the awesomeness that exists within him!
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Gear 2nd.
I don't like the way it is used. Visually. The whole point of this kid being made out of rubber is being underplayed. I miss the days where Luffy's limbs would stretch across the pages in such interesting foreshortened angles and twists constantly. Now all we see is him spamming JET Gatlings and variations of that, or just impact clouds of him hitting the enemy so fast that you don't even see it. To me, seeing him stretch ridiculous lengths and snapping back to deliver the blow was much more of a wow moment rather than him doing some JET move where we don't visually see it cuz it's "so fast". It's like Oda lost interest in Luffy using his devil fruit in original and unique ways. (Gomu Gomu no Octopus, Gomu Gomu no Net, Gomu Gomu no Shotgun, etc)
I also miss the urgency in One Piece's battle scenes. I'm tired of predetermined opponents. I mean this formula has sort of always existed in the series? But it's never been as prominent as it is now. Its boring when you can tell who's going to fight to who ALL THE TIME. Especially in regards to the Monster Trio. Hell, I'd love to see an unbalanced scenario like how Luffy was hypnotized from Django and running wild and Zoro took on not swordsman…But both Nyaban Brothers. I'd love to see a couple of the weaker straw hats take on someone that one of the monster trio would have fought, or have Sanji having to end up fighting a quick draw gunslinger, or Zoro ending up fighting a saavy martial artist like with weird abilities like Vergo, if even for a moment.
This manga is so diverse in its characters and their quirks, and special abilities. I don't get why Oda makes it so obvious who's going to be matched up with who when there can be so much unpredictable scenarios at his fingertips that could bring more life to the series like it had before.
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You just want to see Giant Robo Franky Godzilla a city.
Admit it.I do.
! Just thinking about it makes me rock hard.
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There are instances of Luffy stretching in Gear 2nd,like the Red Hawk and the jet pistol on CC.
The gears were one of the best ideas Oda came up with.
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Gear 2nd.
I don't like the way it is used. Visually. The whole point of this kid being made out of rubber is being underplayed. I miss the days where Luffy's limbs would stretch across the pages in such interesting foreshortened angles and twists constantly. Now all we see is him spamming JET Gatlings and variations of that, or just impact clouds of him hitting the enemy so fast that you don't even see it. To me, seeing him stretch ridiculous lengths and snapping back to deliver the blow was much more of a wow moment rather than him doing some JET move where we don't visually see it cuz it's "so fast". It's like Oda lost interest in Luffy using his devil fruit in original and unique ways. (Gomu Gomu no Octopus, Gomu Gomu no Net, Gomu Gomu no Shotgun, etc)
I also miss the urgency in One Piece's battle scenes. I'm tired of predetermined opponents. I mean this formula has sort of always existed in the series? But it's never been as prominent as it is now. Its boring when you can tell who's going to fight to who ALL THE TIME. Especially in regards to the Monster Trio. Hell, I'd love to see an unbalanced scenario like how Luffy was hypnotized from Django and running wild and Zoro took on not swordsman…But both Nyaban Brothers. I'd love to see a couple of the weaker straw hats take on someone that one of the monster trio would have fought, or have Sanji having to end up fighting a quick draw gunslinger, or Zoro ending up fighting a saavy martial artist like with weird abilities like Vergo, if even for a moment.
This manga is so diverse in its characters and their quirks, and special abilities. I don't get why Oda makes it so obvious who's going to be matched up with who when there can be so much unpredictable scenarios at his fingertips that could bring more life to the series like it had before.
I didn't know Zoro was gonna be fighting Monet. Hell, even Luffy fought Monet… and lost. I didn't expect a Giant Chopper (with a Franky mind) to fight the Cool Brothers. I didn't know Sanji was gonna briefly intervene and fight Vergo. I wasn't expecting Ussop to fight Daruma; I though chopper was gonna be fighting him. I wasn't expecting Chopper to be fighting Dosun (I thought that was going to be a fight for Franky). God knows I didn't expect Sanji to fight Wadatsumi.
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@Joy:
There are instances of Luffy stretching in Gear 2nd,like the Red Hawk and the jet pistol on CC.
The gears were one of the best ideas Oda came up with.
Gear 2nd doesn't stimulate visually nearly as much as him just being a rubbery fighter. I dont have a problem with the idea of Gear 2nd, I like it a lot. Its just the way its presented isnt as fun. It makes him appear more as a martial artist and less of a brawler who happens to made out of rubber
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I didn't know Zoro was gonna be fighting Monet. Hell, even Luffy fought Monet… and lost. I didn't expect a Giant Chopper (with a Franky mind) to fight the Cool Brothers. I didn't know Sanji was gonna briefly intervene and fight Vergo. I wasn't expecting Ussop to fight Daruma; I though chopper was gonna be fighting him. I wasn't expecting Chopper to be fighting Dosun (I thought that was going to be a fight for Franky). God knows I didn't expect Sanji to fight Wadatsumi.
Look at major arcs with major villains? You'll see exactly what I mean. Sanji and Vergo are basically perfect for fighting one another. I felt like Monet was more of a fight for Tashigi than Zoro. Fishman Island's point wasn't even about the fights though. It was about the straw hats showing off their growths. Fights where they actually go tooth and nail? The monster trio end up against the boss, the swordsman, and the third strongest. Skypiea was amazing in regards to fights because it was so random feeling. Seeing Luffy confront Enel for the first time was so awesome because so many people already faced him with all they had, and failed which gave it more impact. It also wasn't about him rushing directly to the main boss right from the very start either. which is also happening a lot. There were other things completely distracting him other than just oodles and poodles of grunts in his way.
My overall point. This series is feeling too formulaic and its obvious.
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Look at major arcs with major villains? You'll see exactly what I mean. Sanji and Vergo are basically perfect for fighting one another. I felt like Monet was more of a fight for Tashigi than Zoro. Fishman Island's point wasn't even about the fights though. It was about the straw hats showing off their growths. Fights where they actually go tooth and nail? The monster trio end up against the boss, the swordsman, and the third strongest. Skypiea was amazing in regards to fights because it was so random feeling. Seeing Luffy confront Enel for the first time was so awesome because so many people already faced him with all they had, and failed which gave it more impact.It also wasn't about him rushing directly to the main boss right from the very start either. which is also happening a lot. There were other things completely distracting him other than just oodles and poodles of grunts in his way.
My overall point. This series is feeling too formulaic and its obvious.
Most certainly Skypea was the exception to this unpredictability of match sets.
Don Krieg: Sanji fights second strongest, Zoro fights swordsman
Arlong Park: Sanji fights second strongest, Zoro Fights swordsman.
Alabasta: Sanji fights second strongest, Zoro fights swordsman
Thriller Bark: Sanji fights second strongest, Zoro fights swordsmanThis has been the pattern for ages.
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Gear 2nd doesn't stimulate visually nearly as much as him just being a rubbery fighter. I dont have a problem with the idea of Gear 2nd, I like it a lot. Its just the way its presented isnt as fun. It makes him appear more as a martial artist and less of a brawler who happens to made out of rubber
Wow. This thread really does just keep repeating itself. Well, no need to write anything new on the subject.
@robbybevard:You underestimate just how much Oda did to make things look cool. Dynamic camera shots, interesting angles, changing up moves, giving characters different outfits, the effect when Crocodile returns to sand… even stuff as early and simple as "Zoro uses three swords and holds one in his mouth" or osmethingas built into the style as "here is a two page spread" or "here is an elaborate establishing shot" is all about looking cool and making the world alive. EVERYTHING in manga is about looking cool, whether you process it or not.
Having instant access to smoke allows Oda to create motion and movement in a still panel that speedlines alone just can't do. Even an in motion action shot looks better with smoke to add some movement to it. It conveys motion and movement and direction better than just a character standing there does, no matter how many speedlines or forced perspective angles you add.
But especially still shots like the iconic introduction to gear 2.
Its a trick Oda built in to add a sense of moment, and I don't blame him for keeping it around. (Otherwise we'd have to get nothing but nonstop DBZ style teleport speedline blurs.)
Now that I've made you aware of it, keep your eye out and see how many other places Oda does stuff to add movement and life to the still page. Clothes flapping in the wind, bubbles surround characters, water splashing and flowing, logia villains have weird amorphous shapes, speedlines, little clouds of dust when characters run along the ground… its omni-present, and Oda built something into Luffy that aids greatly for this.
And yes, after 15 years of manga, Luffy's style should be more refined as a fighter than as just a brawler. He HAS been learning and picking up new moves, he SHOULD be more than just a pure brawler by now. If he was still EXACTLY the same character with the EXACT same moveset after all this time, we'd be bored. Just look at Naruto and Ichigo who only have 2 or 3 attacks them spam nonstop, cause they're brawlers rather that creative fighters.
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@RobbyBevard:
Wow. This thread really does just keep repeating itself. Well, no need to write anything new on the subject.
And yes, after 15 years of manga, Luffy's style should be more refined as a fighter than as just a brawler. He HAS been learning and picking up new moves, he SHOULD be more than just a pure brawler by now. If he was still EXACTLY the same character with the EXACT same moveset after all this time, we'd be bored. Just look at Naruto and Ichigo who only have 2 or 3 attacks them spam nonstop, cause they're brawlers rather that creative fighters.
You dont get what I mean. Of course the fluidity of the smoke adds to the movement. The fact that he's RUBBER is underplayed VISUALLY nowadays, and thats what I have a gripe with. I don't care for the smoke substitution. it works to add motion to the panel. I'm not even saying that the panels as a whole lack movement. Oda is by far one of the best in regards to perspective. But it doesn't do anything to the fact the character is unique because of what his body can do. It happens a lot less. His unpredictable antics from the past are way more entertaining, and it added to his underdog vibe. That and his off the wall, country boy like appearance made it so unorthodox for us, the viewers to waiting on the edge of our seats to see our unlikely hero to something completely absurd to save the day rather than "lemme just bumrush you throughout the entire arc and just JET Gatling you to death"
Also, sorry I'm not gonna read 25 pages of opinions. I mean if it popped up more than once, shouldnt it be considered? Thats how critique works.
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You dont get what I mean. Of course the fluidity of the smoke adds to the movement. The fact that he's RUBBER is underplayed VISUALLY nowadays, and thats what I have a gripe with. I don't care for the smoke substitution. it works to add motion to the panel. I'm not even saying that the panels as a whole lack movement. Oda is by far one of the best in regards to perspective. But it doesn't do anything to the fact the character is unique because of what his body can do. It happens a lot less. His unpredictable antics from the past are way more entertaining, and it added to his underdog vibe. That and his off the wall, country boy like appearance made it so unorthodox for us, the viewers to waiting on the edge of our seats to see our unlikely hero to something completely absurd to save the day rather than "lemme just bumrush you throughout the entire arc and just JET Gatling you to death"
Also, sorry I'm not gonna read 25 pages of opinions. I mean if it popped up more than once, shouldnt it be considered? Thats how critique works.
I don't know about that one. I see what you're saying and I agree a bit, but not 100%. Luffy's been doing some interesting things with his rubber since the time skip. Gomu Gomu no UFO is fucking awesome. Remember when he used his rubber capabilities to redirect the bullet back to Cool brothers? Even recently Luffy wrapped around Nami's body like he was a snake. I've never seen Luffy do that before. Gear 2nd just accelerates him, but the rubber moves will always prevail as his main arsenal.
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silvers. Rayleigh.
Remember, he swam.I'm also getting the vibe some people here consider characters "doing nothing" unless they are paired against a named villain on one-on-one shounen slugfest. Nope, them actually doing something to pertain to their profession, make use of their unique skills to support, or shine their characteristics certainly do not count, might as well be invisible amirite?
thank you dude , finally someone who has common sense in this thread.
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Most certainly Skypea was the exception to this unpredictability of match sets.
Don Krieg: Sanji fights second strongest, Zoro fights swordsman
Arlong Park: Sanji fights second strongest, Zoro Fights swordsman.
Alabasta: Sanji fights second strongest, Zoro fights swordsman
Thriller Bark: Sanji fights second strongest, Zoro fights swordsmanThis has been the pattern for ages.
I thought Zoro always fought the second strongest since he fought Das Bones and Kaku (The second strongest of those organizations) Sanji has always been the 3rd strongest seeing as how he fought Mr. 2 and Jabra.
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I thought Zoro always fought the second strongest since he fought Das Bones and Kaku (The second strongest of those organizations) Sanji has always been the 3rd strongest seeing as how he fought Mr. 2 and Jabra.
Yes this absolutely true. Sanji does indeed fight the 3rd strongest. I was too lazy to change all those second strongest portions of the sentences. I was praying that people would get what I was trying to say
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You dont get what I mean. Of course the fluidity of the smoke adds to the movement. The fact that he's RUBBER is underplayed VISUALLY nowadays, and thats what I have a gripe with. I don't care for the smoke substitution. it works to add motion to the panel. I'm not even saying that the panels as a whole lack movement. Oda is by far one of the best in regards to perspective. But it doesn't do anything to the fact the character is unique because of what his body can do. It happens a lot less. His unpredictable antics from the past are way more entertaining, and it added to his underdog vibe. That and his off the wall, country boy like appearance made it so unorthodox for us, the viewers to waiting on the edge of our seats to see our unlikely hero to something completely absurd to save the day rather than "lemme just bumrush you throughout the entire arc and just JET Gatling you to death"
Also, sorry I'm not gonna read 25 pages of opinions. I mean if it popped up more than once, shouldnt it be considered? Thats how critique works.
I hear ya completely. One of the most fun things regarding fights was seeing what new spins Luffy could put on his rubberiness. The gum gum Ufo, and reappearance of Bell and Spear have got me hopeful, but sadly most of luffys current repetoire is just stacking gear 2/3/armament on his old moves, or performing them as a gatling. Elephant gun bores the life out of me, visually and creatively, and I miss the days of Bow Gun, Buzzaw, shotgun, octopus fireworks etc.
Odas drawings of Luffy using Gear 2/3/CoA are gorgeous, dynamic, and as good as ever - but the attacks themselves are just not that creative anymore. Of course the characters are free to streamline their movesets, but lets just be honest and acknowledge that the more likely reason is that being consistently inventive is tough on an author of a series this long. -
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I hear ya completely. One of the most fun things regarding fights was seeing what new spins Luffy could put on his rubberiness. The gum gum Ufo, and reappearance of Bell and Spear have got me hopeful, but sadly most of luffys current repetoire is just stacking gear 2/3/armament on his old moves, or performing them as a gatling. Elephant gun bores the life out of me, visually and creatively, and I miss the days of Bow Gun, Buzzaw, shotgun, octopus fireworks etc.
Odas drawings of Luffy using Gear 2/3/CoA are gorgeous, dynamic, and as good as ever - but the attacks themselves are just not that creative anymore. Of course the characters are free to streamline their movesets, but lets just be honest and acknowledge that the more likely reason is that being consistently inventive is tough on an author of a series this long.Thank the lawd, someone understands! Haha.
Those moves you mentioned. buzzsaw and bowgun? Holy shit thats a throwback! See what I mean? I completely forgot those move even existed. The way Luffy used his devil fruit ability made him that much more bizarre, which in tune made the whole series to me that much more bizarre which was awesome. We didn't need a character with pointy spikey hair throwing energy blasts or posing to look "cool" every two seconds like many other series. We had a weird ass goofball who happened to kick a lot of ass genuinely being awesome, rather than being forced to be a badass.
It was glorious. Now he's a lot more tame and repetitive. But I agree, keeping it that fresh would be difficult for a series with so many characters, so many side plots, and it being so long. But still…
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I have a question which is somehow linked to this topic. A lot of people are complaining about the pacing. So is the manga better read as a volume i.e a large narrative or in parts. I re read every then chapters btw to get context. I'm also rereading op again, and strangely enough punk hazard and fishman island resemble early op.
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Gear 2nd doesn't stimulate visually nearly as much as him just being a rubbery fighter. I dont have a problem with the idea of Gear 2nd, I like it a lot. Its just the way its presented isnt as fun. It makes him appear more as a martial artist and less of a brawler who happens to made out of rubber
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Look at major arcs with major villains? You'll see exactly what I mean. Sanji and Vergo are basically perfect for fighting one another. I felt like Monet was more of a fight for Tashigi than Zoro. Fishman Island's point wasn't even about the fights though. It was about the straw hats showing off their growths. Fights where they actually go tooth and nail? The monster trio end up against the boss, the swordsman, and the third strongest. Skypiea was amazing in regards to fights because it was so random feeling. Seeing Luffy confront Enel for the first time was so awesome because so many people already faced him with all they had, and failed which gave it more impact. It also wasn't about him rushing directly to the main boss right from the very start either. which is also happening a lot. There were other things completely distracting him other than just oodles and poodles of grunts in his way.
My overall point. This series is feeling too formulaic and its obvious.
If the series is too formualic then surely you can predict who is gonna fight who next arc, right ?? Since you are saying its obvious so you shouldn't have a problem with that .
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If the series is too formualic then surely you can predict who is gonna fight who next arc, right ?? Since you are saying its obvious so you shouldn't have a problem with that .
Oh mannn what excellent logic. I criticize one of your beloved series, (and hell, even my own fav favorite series) and you give a response like that. Very intelligent, and you missed my point entirely.
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Oh mannn what excellent logic. I criticize one of your beloved series, (and hell, even my own fav favorite series) and you give a response like that. Very intelligent, and you missed my point entirely.
LOL you said it yourself back on page 24 or 23 that the fight match up are predictable so why not telling us who is gonna fight who in next arc or were you just pulling that out of your ass without even thinking about it???
And LOL i don't give a flying fuck about someone like you criticizing One Piece since your argument could easily be considered trash , it really seems you are trying to shove your personal preference down other people's throats , maybe what you need to do is do your research first then talk , right?? you have a point here??? All i see is you bitching about fighting and fighting and more fighting ??? Maybe you should try bleach or naruto since it fits your taste ( only fighting) , you should know that as the series go fightings and other things change , if you want to see rubber so badly then buy it and play with it as much as you like , instead of bitching about the stuff that doesn't even make sense to begin with . -
LOL you said it yourself back on page 24 or 23 that the fight match up are predictable so why not telling us who is gonna fight who in next arc or were you just pulling that out of your ass without even thinking about it???
And LOL i don't give a flying fuck about someone like you criticizing One Piece since your argument could easily be considered trash , it really seems you are trying to shove your personal preference down other people's throats , maybe what you need to do is do your research first then talk , right?? you have a point here??? All i see is you bitching about fighting and fighting and more fighting ??? Maybe you should try bleach or naruto since it fits your taste ( only fighting) , you should know that as the series go fightings and other things change , if you want to see rubber so badly then buy it and play with it as much as you like , instead of bitching about the stuff that doesn't even make sense to begin with .And yet you still missed the point of his posts entirely. His point wasn't that it was predictable in a sense where you can practically tell the future arc for arc. His point was that fight pairings are telegraphed as soon as an enemy team is introduced. For example, Baroque Works had Luffy fight the main (Crocodile), Zoro fight the swordsmans (Daz Bones; essentially a swordsman since he's a blade man) and Sanji fighting Mr. 2 (A okama who uses a kick based fighting style.) Then there's CP9 with Lucci, Kaku and Jabra who are the Big Bad, the swordsman and the martial artist respectively. He wants diversity in the enemies. Why can't Zoro fight a guy who uses a whip? Why can't sanji fight a guy who uses ariel attacks? Why do they fight enemies they can counter instead of enemies where they need to be creative and WORK for their victory. (i.e: Luffy vs. Crocodile)
For a person who doesn't "give a flying fuck" about someone elses opinion you sure gave a hot-headed and rude response to a perfectly legitimate/intelligent opinion. Right now, you sound like a person on Youtube who is just lashing out at the first comment that criticizes what you like. "Buy rubber and play with it?" NuFiasco is right, Oda barely shows Luffy stretching now. He's really downplaying the funny quirk that he originally wanted Luffy to be known for. We wanted Luffy to be silly looking and serious at the same time, yet all we see is smoke and impact. Please, next time be more respectful when you're addressing people and not sling rude comments.
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And yet you still missed the point of his posts entirely. His point wasn't that it was predictable in a sense where you can practically tell the future arc for arc. His point was that fight pairings are telegraphed as soon as an enemy team is introduced. For example, Baroque Works had Luffy fight the main (Crocodile), Zoro fight the swordsmans (Daz Bones; essentially a swordsman since he's a blade man) and Sanji fighting Mr. 2 (A okama who uses a kick based fighting style.) Then there's CP9 with Lucci, Kaku and Jabra who are the Big Bad, the swordsman and the martial artist respectively. He wants diversity in the enemies. Why can't Zoro fight a guy who uses a whip? Why can't sanji fight a guy who uses ariel attacks? Why do they fight enemies they can counter instead of enemies where they need to be creative and WORK for their victory. (i.e: Luffy vs. Crocodile)
For a person who doesn't "give a flying fuck" about someone elses opinion you sure gave a hot-headed and rude response to a perfectly legitimate/intelligent opinion. Right now, you sound like a person on Youtube who is just lashing out at the first comment that criticizes what you like. "Buy rubber and play with it?" NuFiasco is right, Oda barely shows Luffy stretching now. He's really downplaying the funny quirk that he originally wanted Luffy to be known for. We wanted Luffy to be silly looking and serious at the same time, yet all we see is smoke and impact. Please, next time be more respectful when you're addressing people and not sling rude comments.
So basically you are noticing the stuff that almost any manga has and bitching about it NOW when the series has over 600+ chapters?? And you still think that make senses ?? Ok , honestly didn't expect any smart answers from people on this thread so whatever , after all people are allowed to believe what they want even if its a retarded reason as that . This concept or formula has been in shonen manga for a long time now and you and your friend are getting the gist of it NOW , i thought that why luffy ,Zoro and sanji fight who they fight was already explained by Oda through the character and their actions , but maybe people like you didn't get it cuz you were busy looking at how luffy stretches ( LMFAOO) , Oda will not come out and literally state the fucking obvious stuff , Luffy's role in the series is the role of a captain meaning he has to take care of the crew and that's why luffy always fights the strongest character in that arc so they don't end up being thread to everyone , watch Lucci vs Luffy and you will get what i said , Zoro fights the swordsman cuz THATS RELATED TO HIM BECOMING THE GREATEST SWORDSMAN , how the fuck do you expect for a swordsman to improve if he isn't even fighting the people who uses swordsmanship???
Everyone in the crew has things they can and can't do , your point here is that they need to be creative to fight , is that it?? Isn't that going against their characters ??? they act fast and don't think and thats in their character , this is not naruto or something when characters are supposed to be simple-minded yet they are acting outta their character and creating these smart-ass moves . And why would Oda show luffy stretching in battles?? wasn't gear second and his training supposed to make him faster not slow enough to see his rubber stretching . Well whatever , i can't even believe i wasted my time on this retarded sorry ass excused for reasons , i would highly suggest you do your research about characters since you sure don't seem to know them well ( when they are really fleshed out characters) and probably missed the details about the characters while looking at the rubber stretching ( after all this is what you and him have been repeating for quite some time now) . Oh and if you are gonna repeat the same shit over and over again and force-feeding it on to me then plz don't reply , i really don't want to play kids game here ( Going in circles ) .