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All I'm saying is that Jinbe better helm the Noah out of a destroyed Fishman Island with the entire island population. Along with help fron Shirahoshi's Sea Kings, I guess.
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For Jimbe to helm the Noah he would need to be near Fishman Island. I mentioned a while back of the idea of the Straw Hats returning to Fishman Island to unveil the secrets of the Void Century after Raftel, which in turn causes the destruction of Fishman Island with Luffy breaking the place apart as a statement of freedom, or an antagonist shows up.
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I think a more simplified version of Jinbe's dream could be simply to find a new home for the Fishman Island inhabitants after whatever migration happens after The Neptunes petition to move to the surface world at Reverie, this at the very least could put them on a level foothold with humans as far as living conditions are concerned as opposed to the foreign depths of the ocean which makes them come off as secluded or isolated even more so than Wano. They're strangers as far as humans are concerned, they don't know anything about them as Koala noted to Jinbe once upon a time. A lot has been made about the "Path to the Sunlight" , which was specifically mentioned by the narrator and the title of the chapter in which Luffy asked Jinbe to join his crew.
Couple this with Madam Shyrley's prediction of FI's demise, the mystery surrounding Noah's purpose , and Oda's ever so subtle emphasis on Jinbe's helming capabilities and I think the climax of Jinbe's dream will come at some point whenever Luffy supposedly destroys Fishman Island. Which could just be a misinterpreted prophecy like a certain Surtur and Ragnorok in the new Thor film. Full stop to avoid spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
To put it simply , Fishman Island is it's people, not the Island itself.
I'm expecting a similar parallel with the Minks.
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For Jimbe to helm the Noah he would need to be near Fishman Island. I mentioned a while back of the idea of the Straw Hats returning to Fishman Island to unveil the secrets of the Void Century after Raftel, which in turn causes the destruction of Fishman Island with Luffy breaking the place apart as a statement of freedom, or an antagonist shows up.
When you think about it they have to end up back at Reverse Mountatin at some point just so Brooke can fulfill his dream, so going back to FI doesn't seem too far fetched by comparison. Theere's more crucial ongoing plot threads connecting to the end of the series in particular.
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All I'm saying is that Jinbe better helm the Noah out of a destroyed Fishman Island with the entire island population. Along with help fron Shirahoshi's Sea Kings, I guess.
That's essentially how I see things going down as well. The People of Fishman Island migrating to the surface will represent the symbolic peace between Fishman and humans Jinbe dreams of. The new beginning of sorts.
The only thing I'm having a hard time figuring out is will this all take place after Luffy is already The Pirate King ? because I think the Great War Oda keeps teasing is bigger than the inevitable fight with The Blackbeard Pirates. Once the truth of the Void Century breaks and the true meaning of D becomes public, it'll be total Chaos and I can't see any peaceful resolutions with all of the tension being built up with the World Government just because Luffy becomes the most powerful Pirate. Even Roger and anyone affiliated with him was still hunted until the day he died.
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I would like Ceasar clown or Vivi to join the crew and is jimbei really joining the crew in the manga? I don't think he fits very well with the straw hats
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Jimbe joined in Fishman Island, he just needed to do a side trip before coming aboard.
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Jimbe joined in Fishman Island, he just needed to do a side trip before coming aboard.
Yes, I remember that. But he didn't join as in going on adventures with the straw hats yet in the anime. Not sure about the manga if he joined or not.
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Hence why I said the side trip. And that's okay, many believe the same except Luffy.
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I can't wait for Oda to show the dynamics will have in the crew, maybe then people will finally see him as a good fit lol
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I can't wait for Oda to show the dynamics will have in the crew, maybe then people will finally see him as a good fit lol
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That's essentially how I see things going down as well. The People of Fishman Island migrating to the surface will represent the symbolic peace between Fishman and humans Jinbe dreams of. The new beginning of sorts.
Probably. The only question is what the cause of Fishman Island's destruction will be. Even if Luffy does destroy it, it can be in danger from somebody else at the start of a "Return to Fishman Island" arc. I doubt he would literally try to wreck the place in an already peaceful and stable state.
I like to believe that Fishman Island is going to be the island that gets destroyed as an example of Pluton's power, which is said to be able to destroy islands, somewhere before or after Raftel. The only person I see wielding an Ancient Weapon like Pluton though is Blackbeard. And it would be a very ironic sight since Whitebeard became Fishman Island's ally by protecting it from pirates years ago. But hey, the World Government could try destroying the place too.
I will say though that I doubt Fishman Island being under Mariejois and the Red Line is purely an ironic coincidence on Oda's part, as well as the Sunlight Eve Tree being around that area too. If, say, Pluton unleashes a destructive attack on the topside of the Red Line, what's to say that Fishman Island won't suffer effects from such an assault?
The only thing I'm having a hard time figuring out is will this all take place after Luffy is already The Pirate King ? because I think the Great War Oda keeps teasing is bigger than the inevitable fight with The Blackbeard Pirates. Once the truth of the Void Century breaks and the true meaning of D becomes public, it'll be total Chaos and I can't see any peaceful resolutions with all of the tension being built up with the World Government just because Luffy becomes the most powerful Pirate. Even Roger and anyone affiliated with him was still hunted until the day he died.
Whether or not Luffy will become Pirate King after going to Raftel and during the Final War is a question in itself. Will he be officially recognized as such just by claiming One Piece? Is he even walking out of that island with One Piece before the Final War, especially if the Blackbeard Pirates somehow also make it there?
And here's a the thing about the Void Century. Many people assume that the truth about it is going to have a lot to do with the D's, and in turn Luffy in a way that makes his role in the final saga very special. If so… What exactly makes Blackbeard exempt from this too? He's also a D. The one evil D, in fact. And Oda confirmed in an SBS that Teach likes researching history as a hobby, which is very interesting.
And then there is the Gorosei's role in all of this:
! Keep in mind that the Gorosei seem to VERY afraid of D's. They do everything they can to cover up the Void Century and the D's are said to be eternal enemies of the Celestial Dragons (and the Gorosei can have a connection to them. I'm betting they're the first ever Celestial Dragons that lived as immortals since the Void Century since they look pretty old and battle-scarred). But we should also take into account how they're never really portrayed in a purely negative fashion. Everything about how they operate in terms of justice always looks very… grey. In the middle of light and dark. Focused on maintaining peace through the balance of world powers rather than cunningly scheming on how they could own everything while twirling their mustaches. They're not the types to literally cackle and gain enjoyment from oppressing people rather than seeing their system of governing as a necessary means to an end. I'm not saying this as justification for anything they've done, I'm only drawing attention to how they seem rather complex. And if you need an example of how far Oda can go in making characters ethically complex, look at the entire history of Kuzan from killing Saul while letting Robin live to fighting a brute like Akainu for the Fleet Admiral position to now allying with Blackbeard for unknown reasons.
! It is very easy to imagine that whatever conflict happened between the early form of the World Government and the Ancient Kingdom was some easy bad versus good conflict. Like the big bad World Government got really jealous of the Ancient Kingdom and wanted to be the top dogs. I think the conflict between them, and the reason why the Gorosei hide info about the Void Century, can be much more compile than that. Especially if Clover was able to confirm that it's not just about preventing the Ancient Weapons from falling into the wrong hands. Which might tie into the D's as the only other major thing we have an idea about in regards to the Ancient Kingdom.
! If we tie in the D's with all of this, as well as how much the Gorosei and Celestial Dragons seem to antagonize... Maybe they might have a decent reason for covering things up. Not that it would be justifiable, but not something that is completely selfish either. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't assume that the D Clan in the Ancient Kingdom was full of Luffy's. They also could've had a few Blackbeards as well. Luffy might inspire freedom, but Teach embodies total anarchy from everything in his acts to his Devil Fruit powers. And if somebody like Teach represents everything that the Gorosei fear the most in what would happen to the world if the Void Century was revealed, well... A character that can shake up the world for the rest of time sounds like a more exciting final villain Oda might go for rather than a government that only seems to be satisfied with keeping things hidden and preserving the status-quo.
! That, and I think that Oda would prefer having Luffy's last fight be with the most famous pirate in the real world than five old men whose names we still don't even know lol. Or Akainu, whose only interaction with Luffy was killing Ace while Luffy keeps meeting Blackbeard all over the place. And how Shanks knows Blackbeard personally, to the point where I'm pretty sure Teach is going to kill him since it is inevitable for the Blackbeard Pirates and Red Hair Pirates to fight since we need to eventually learn how Shanks got his scar.We should also keep in mind that Blackbeard is continuously growing in power. He does not have to stop at being a Yonko or a silver medalist for One Piece. In fact, we don't even know why exactly he wants to be Pirate King or what he would do with One Piece. It might probably be something simple like world domination and destruction, but I don't think that Oda would make a fight with the stakes being that big on an isolated place in Raftel where nobody aside from the Straw Hats is in present danger. Enies Lobby is sort of an exception, but at least the lives of Usopp, Robin, Galley-La, and the Franky Family were in danger.
Considering all the build-up Oda has put into Blackbeard compared to any other character in the series, I feel like it's a bit disrespectful to think that he's only being established as far as being somebody to beat up at Raftel. I think he has to contribute more to the story than losing at Raftel. Which is why I think he's going to be Luffy's final fight. Threeway Final War between Luffy, Teach, and the World Government. Each side has an Ancient Weapon (Poseidon, Pluton, Uranus). And it comes down to eleven memorable 1v1 fights at the very end between the Straw Hats and their dark counterparts. At least, I think somebody as shonen-formulaic as Oda would go for something like that instead of having the Monster Trio and Jimbei fight Admirals while the rest of the crew fights random Vice Admirals nobody cares about lol.
The World Government has to be rehauled, that's obvious. The Gorosei and Akainu can't stay in power. But I doubt that Luffy can be the one to defeat either of them. Especially when Oda confirmed something that I have thought about myself in a recent interview:
- Oda says it's hard to talk about justice through Luffy's mouth since he is a pirate.
So, Oda just puts a simple conclusion that the opposite side of justice is another justice. Oda says it's one of the main themes of ONE PIECE.
That is exactly why I think that Luffy can't defeat either of them. He can briefly talk to and fight them. He can help out in the upheaval against them. But he can't be the opponent to deal the inspiring final blow on them that closes the war against the World Government. Luffy defeating them as a selfish pirate doesn't really mean or change anything aside from beating up people who can act pretty dickish when in power. Having the likes of Dragon and Sabo be the ones to do so in the Final War would have much more meaning and impact as they are fighting for their own interpretation of justice and have personal stakes in this fight just as much as Luffy does. Luffy can destroy the dreams of other pirates and agents of the government, but I can't really see him beating up Akainu actually proving him wrong. It just looks like a criminal is defeating a righteous hero. Meanwhile, Sabo overpowering the man who bragged about lava being superior to fire? That sounds much more impressive.
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Actually the "at least" part only comes from a specific translation. Other translations, like the one from Viz, have said that Luffy thinks that "about" ten members would be fine.
But considering how much this series likes having 1v1 fights in arcs like Arlong Park, Alabasta, Enies Lobby, Fishman Island, and Dressrosa, it is very probable that we might see everybody get 1v1 fights. None of those arcs had EVERYBODY fight since there would always be one or two stragglers being captured or only fighting fodder. Yet we should remember that this is still an action-adventure shonen at the end of the day. It would make sense for Oda to go out on giving all of his beloved main characters a fight.
And I don't think it's likely to change at all. Shonen antagonist groups that specify numbers like that in their titles never change the total number amount of their roster. They can decrease as they are defeated one by one, but they will never increase. You don't hype up how there are ten intimidating people only to bump that up to eleven or twelve for no reason, it's just weird.
And Blackbeard appears so rarely that it's unlikely for him to want to recruit somebody new out of the blue after the timeskip. Especially when we still don't even know the new member who joined over the timeskip to make the crew have eleven members instead of ten.
Definitely an ally. And he will definitely betray them. Oda isn't going to have Kuzan change from not liking Sakazuki's harsh methods of brutality to not minding Blackbeard until the end of the story lol. And Stronger is never listed as a character in any of the volume bios/table of contents when they include the Blackbeard Pirates. He didn't get his own title card either while Doc Q did. Stronger is only an accessory to Doc Q.
Why does the Soldier Dock System have to matter at all when predicting how many crewmates there will be?
That is also rather random.
Think about it like this. Wouldn't it be kind of lackluster if the Straw Hats are on their way to Raftel and declare their dreams around a barrel like the end of Loguetown only for Vivi to go "I want to protect and govern my kingdom, meaning that this crew is only a means to an end for me eventually leaving as I am obligated to my people more than myself or any of you." It stands out too much against how selfish each Straw Hat's reason for being on the ship is. And I also feel like it would sort of spit in the face of how significant the reason for Vivi staying behind in the first place was in wanting to be a princess for her kingdom. Having her still technically join near the end of the series feels like a token gesture without much meaning behind it besides fanservice.
You mean like how Brook joined in the arc right before the Straw Hats got separated for two years? And all of Fishman Island didn't revolve around Jimbei. If anything, Otohime and Fisher Tiger were more of the main focus while Jimbei was more of a witness that wants to preserve the legacy of their ideals. Also take note of how Water 7 and Enies Lobby balanced having flashbacks for both Franky and Robin.
Wait 10 "men" it clearly states.
But is that + nami and robin… so thats 12 count?
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Wait 10 "men" it clearly states.
But is that + nami and robin… so thats 12 count?
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Do post-timeskip Sanji, Chopper, Franky, and Brook even qualify as men either?
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Do post-timeskip Sanji, Chopper, Franky, and Brook even qualify as men either?
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But this crew is not the Roger Pirates. They are the Straw Hat Pirates. All of them joined the crew to achieve their dreams together. The finale of the series should focus on all of them making some kind of major progress towards whatever their dreams are (even though fulfilling Nami's dream should be impossible). Having Vivi already achieve her dream in the first 200 chapters of the series is so lackluster. Her inclusion would really look like an anticlimactic afterthought in that sense.
And I can't really buy into a Straw Hat dream being something like abolishing the Tenryubitto system when everybody wants to join for one reason or another. Jinbe's dream might simply be making all of the Fishmen safe from discrimination, which is very selfless too, but he's joining the Straw Hats out of selfishness advocated by his comrades and might get a flashback that elaborates on what his true individually selfish dream is. I can't see Vivi ever joining the Straw Hats unless it is to save her kingdom if the Reverie goes terribly wrong, but then that ends up being a shallow reason to join the crew.
Vivi can still be called a friend again as an ally.
I know you meant two arcs before the end of the series. That doesn't mean I can't see Oda still doing it that late if he was willing to have Brook get separated from the crew right after joining. Those two arcs before Raftel can still be very long, and there might be a couple quick stops between Elbaf and Raftel too. I get your concern of the last crewmate joining really late if they are a new character, but that's moreso just our preference. Oda will do whatever he wants regardless of timing, at least in my eyes.
I agree that Vivi looks like the only character with legitimate crewmate potential. But that only fuels my suspicions that the final crewmate is an entirely new character. I also doubt Vivi's going to join when she has the same hair color as Franky. Oda would have made those colors different if he planned to have Vivi join in the series' long run.
I see Vivi's dream of retrieving her crown in the same regard as Nami's dream to be freed from Arlong or Robin's breaking shackles with CP9.
I think it's perfectly fitting for someone like her, who's soon to become a queen of nation to have a dream like that. She can serve as an exception, after all her social status is totally different from the rest.
It's really however you interpret it. Although 'friend' there translates as Nakama and we all know that's a proper noun in OP scene. Regardless, I understand that phrase doesn't specifically implies her hoping on Sunny.
New character joining near the end of the series will be problematic because of Vivi's existence. If fandom's and strawhats' bonds with Vivi is to be seem greater than that of with new nakama, I doubt Oda will take that route, because what's at stake is fundamentally different from Brook's case. Brook was just awkward separating so abruptly, whereas new character will feel random and stay random forever, but I guess this is just me.
Blue should be pretty generic color in a universe that has a sea as setting.
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I see Vivi's dream of retrieving her crown in the same regard as Nami's dream to be freed from Arlong or Robin's breaking shackles with CP9.
But those were not the dreams for Nami nor Robin. Only the elements that stopped them from achieving them. Not to mention that Vivi already had that specific dream explored with Crocodile. She already freed her country. At best I see her joining the revolutionary army if her country is in peril again because they are actually trying to liberate the world from the government's rule. Or if because of the Reverie she becomes a fugitive due to Cobra's questioning about the Poneglyphs.
I think it's perfectly fitting for someone like her, who's soon to become a queen of nation to have a dream like that. She can serve as an exception, after all her social status is totally different from the rest.
But that dream fits better if she joins the revolutionaries, not to mention the themes that can be brought up like her family being one of the founding nations of the government.
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New character joining near the end of the series will be problematic because of Vivi's existence. If fandom's and strawhats' bonds with Vivi is to be seem greater than that of with new nakama, I doubt Oda will take that route, because what's at stake is fundamentally different from Brook's case. Brook was just awkward separating so abruptly, whereas new character will feel random and stay random forever, but I guess this is just me.
What? No. Whatever impact Vivi had to the audience has nothing to do with Oda introducing new character that's crewmate candidate. Heck, Perona is more popular than her.
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I see Vivi's dream of retrieving her crown in the same regard as Nami's dream to be freed from Arlong or Robin's breaking shackles with CP9.
I think it's perfectly fitting for someone like her, who's soon to become a queen of nation to have a dream like that. She can serve as an exception, after all her social status is totally different from the rest.
But those aren't their dreams. Nami wants to make a map of the world. Robin wants to collect the Rio Poneglyph. Those were only goals to escape suffering. Not unlike the various royal families Luffy has met who didn't join his crew, along with other allies. Franky stated one of his dreams was to destroy Spandam for revenge, but we know it is really to build a dream ship that will sail all across the Grand Line. That is the issue with having somebody who identifies with a position of being a princess so much. She is only obligated to serving her kingdom. Being on a pirate crew doesn't do anything to help her kingdom aside from beating up whoever might be currently terrorizing it like Crocodile. All she has to do to get the crown is wait for Cobra to die (and maybe he might after the Reverie lol). An exception as big as this breaks an established pattern for the Straw Hats in a major way, which discredits her potential.
It's really however you interpret it. Although 'friend' there translates as Nakama and we all know that's a proper noun in OP scene. Regardless, I understand that phrase doesn't specifically implies her hoping on Sunny.
I agree.
New character joining near the end of the series will be problematic because of Vivi's existence. If fandom's and strawhats' bonds with Vivi is to be seem greater than that of with new nakama, I doubt Oda will take that route, because what's at stake is fundamentally different from Brook's case. Brook was just awkward separating so abruptly, whereas new character will feel random and stay random forever, but I guess this is just me.
It is mainly just us fans feeling that way. I don't disagree with you that I want the last crewmate to have a lot of screen time to feel like they belong. But Oda doesn't have to care about that as long as somebody joins before Raftel. In the same way that Brook only needed to join right before the Straw Hats' separation. All we can do is have faith in Oda.
Blue should be pretty generic color in a universe that has a sea as setting.
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When Oda creates a member of the Straw Hats, he always tries his best to make them standout. Unless they're a female because he always has a repetitive shallow obsession with them having the same body shape and faces if they're supposed to fit in with his idea of "beautiful", but Nami and Robin at leas have different facial features. Not only does Vivi's face already look like a clone of Nami's, but every Straw Hat either has black hair as a recurring default or a hair color that stands out in a quirky way. Luffy, Usopp, Robin, Brook, and Jinbe have black hair. Zoro has green. Nami has orange. Sanji has blonde/yellow. Chopper has brown fur all over his body. And last but not least, Franky light blue. He has the EXACT same shade of blue as his hair color that Vivi has. Even as far as which characters have tattoos (Nami, Franky, Jinbe), they're all on different body parts and have different shapes/colors (black line tattoo on one shoulder, two blue star tattoos on lower arms, red sun tattoo on chest).
So the color of the sea doesn't matter because that has nothing with what I'm talking about. The color of the setting doesn't have to be connected to character designs that much, as if it really means anything unless they really want something figurative and subtle. That's almost like saying red is a generic color if a series has a lot of blood in it.
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That is exactly why I think that Luffy can't defeat either of them. He can briefly talk to and fight them. He can help out in the upheaval against them. But he can't be the opponent to deal the inspiring final blow on them that closes the war against the World Government. Luffy defeating them as a selfish pirate doesn't really mean or change anything aside from beating up people who can act pretty dickish when in power. Having the likes of Dragon and Sabo be the ones to do so in the Final War would have much more meaning and impact as they are fighting for their own interpretation of justice and have personal stakes in this fight just as much as Luffy does. Luffy can destroy the dreams of other pirates and agents of the government, but I can't really see him beating up Akainu actually proving him wrong. It just looks like a criminal is defeating a righteous hero. Meanwhile, Sabo overpowering the man who bragged about lava being superior to fire? That sounds much more impressive.
I have trouble picturing some secondary characters, one that barely was made before pre ts beating top villains like Akainu, as the one that gave luffy the most visible lasting damage from all. When luffy steals even the wins that should get to others, talk about ones luffy is directly related to. Sabo vs akainu had no build up, same for dragon other then marine leader vs revo leader default roles. 60 years from now luffy will still have that huge x scar on him, and people will see that. Yet it was from one of the few villains luffy didn-t get to beat so it didn-t really count much in his path as a pirate. And this also assumes kong, cp0 leaders, gorosei don-t fight at the end. And marines are pretty much the justice at sea, some branch of wg.
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Sabo vs akainu had no build up,
-Ace was Sabo's brother as well
-Sabo has inherited Ace's will and devilfruit
-Aikanu made a big point about how magma fruit is stronger than fire fruit
-we haven't gotten the arcs developing the revolutionaries yet, that's comingThat's absolutely had build up. Sabo gets to play the role of Ace doing it right. What's the point of spending an entire arc about him inheriting that fruit otherwise?
As for the rest of the marines, no, it's not Luffy's job to beat them or get revenge. Smoker, Tashigi, Coby, Aokiji, Garp, Sengoku, it's their job to fix the corruption, that's been Smoker and Coby's arc all along.
Luffy's job is to be king of the pirates and beat the worst pirate. His last battle will be Blackbeard. It's the Marines and Revolutionaries job to fix the marines, though Luffy's final fight will surely be involved in that.
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@uniaka:When luffy steals even the wins that should get to others, talk about ones luffy is directly related to.
Oda makes rare exceptions to this. Zoro took down Morgan and pre-steroid Hody. Law took down Vergo, who was probably stronger than Caesar, at Punk Hazard. The Shogun at Wano Country is most likely going to be defeated by somebody else while Luffy focuses on fighting Kaido. With the build-up Sabo has gotten to avenge Ace and stand for justice in a way Luffy wouldn't ever care to, he can substitute for Luffy in the final fight against Akainu.
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Vergo, while stronger, was still not the main villain but CC. And for getting vergo, he lost doflamingo. Morgan is the only real exception, and could be because same relation luffy has with coby, oda seems to give to helmeppo and zoro. Not that morgan is comparable with the FA of marines and likely strongest of them. Morgan was way too small to count if someone elsee gets him.
And fire is not limited to sabo, luffy himself has fire attacks and could get more. Beating akainu with some advanced version of redhawk could work too.
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Vergo, while stronger, was still not the main villain but CC. And for getting vergo, he lost doflamingo. Morgan is the only real exception.
And during the Final War, why can't Blackbeard be the main/final villain compared to Akainu? Doflamingo happened in the next arc.
And fire is not limited to sabo, luffy himself has fire attacks and could get more. Beating akainu with some advanced version of redhawk could work too.
Luffy only got one fire attack that was meant to be in remembrance of Ace. He is not getting more. Especially when his Awakening, the next step in advancing his powers, shouldn't have anything to do with fire.
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Aokiji has more going on with akainu, way before sabo was even made in the manga. Heck, coby, if he wasnt so weak, has more with akainu and would fit to take him down, IF luffy would share important wins. And if same class df is that important when aokiji and monet got nothing, or machive and mr 5-s partner. for sabo is just revenge, wg would still be there without akainu, and even marines are just part of wg, not the actual wg revolutionaries target. It-s the CDs and gorosei that are above akainu. marines are more about the justice on the seas, and there pirates rule the NW.
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Those last you mention are not directly related to each other as enemies though.
On the other hand, Akainu taunted Ace's strength and his efforts to stand up against him. Then Ace's brother gets the same fruit that Akainu said is not good enough to go against his. The manga has made a point about this, unlike the other examples.
Aokiji might have history with Akainu, but at the end of the day Akainu let him live. They fought for their ideals and Akainu came up on top. I would love them fighting again, but Aokiji seems to be aiming even higher than taking down the current fleet admiral.
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Aokiji has more going on with akainu, way before sabo was even made in the manga. Heck, coby, if he wasnt so weak, has more with akainu and would fit to take him down, IF luffy would share important wins.
Yet they are both not as strong as Akainu. Sabo can still grow since he only just got his Devil Fruit and was seen training his abilities in Baltigo. He held his own against Fujitora, although Fujitora probably held back (but then again, maybe Sabo held back too). And the story has a decade to go. We still haven't gotten an arc with the Revolutionaries as the main focus. We still haven't even gotten an arc where the Straw Hats and Blackbeard Pirates meet to start up rivalries before the final battles. We just have to be patient and Sabo may interact with Akainu somehow. We don't need to see Zoro interact with Shiryu this early to know that they are going to have a grand final fight at the end of the series.And if same class df is that important when aokiji and monet got nothing, or machive and mr 5-s partner.
Those are only stated in SBS though. Akainu literally says in the story that lava's superiority to fire is why he can demolish Ace. Oda inserted that conflict in there to be relevant, and now Sabo inherited both Ace's Devil Fruit and will.
for sabo is just revenge,
And how would Luffy's fight with Akainu be any different? At least Sabo actually wants to change how the government system favors the shallow whims and oppression of the nobles. Luffy doesn't care about any of them. He only beats up people if they hurt his friends.wg would still be there without akainu, and even marines are just part of wg, not the actual wg revolutionaries target. It-s the CDs and gorosei that are above akainu. marines are more about the justice on the seas, and there pirates rule the NW.
That's why the Revolutionaries, and probably some help from the Straw Hats plus allies, are going to take down the World Government as a whole. Sabo is merely the only designated to fight Akainu in the midst of the chaos. It's not just Sabo versus Akainu, it's Sabo versus Akainu during a war.
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If there's a Marine civil war, I always had this idea in mind that some admirals would defect from the Marines (Aokiji already has and maybe Fujitora too) and would fight against the remaining admirals (Kizaru and Ryokyogu). I don't know, but when Jimbei told Luffy about the fight between Akainu and Aokiji, the wording "first ever fight between admirals" made me suspicious that there are more to come. :ninja:
Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. 
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There's still room for Pudding to join, right? Can we have our own Will Turner and Elizabeth Swaaannnnn~~~ partners in the crew?
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Taeyeon:There's still room for Pudding to join, right? Can we have our own Will Turner and Elizabeth Swaaannnnn~~~ partners in the crew?
Only if you want Sanji to stay abandoned on Totland as the new Davy Jones.
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Taeyeon:There's still room for Pudding to join, right? Can we have our own Will Turner and Elizabeth Swaaannnnn~~~ partners in the crew?
She's the top runner right now but Brulee is catching up what with all this time bonding with Luffy.
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She's the top runner right now
She is? She continues to be a huge red herring imo due to her overlap skill-wise.
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Lol, I'd actually put Brulee over her as well.
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That and being a cruel jerk, and a coward, too.
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Jinbe
Also, while I think Carrot is just another in the long line of rotation guest slots in the crew. If Oda was going to give her something to make her stand out at all, it's gonna happen in the next few chapters I reckon.
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I don-t see how complete new character can get over the 2 years. At least jimbei was around since ID next to luffy in his ace adventures, posts with cake island and fishman. Helping defeat the first yonkou doesn-t count either, since kaidou is pretty much a way too many allies thing, so he has no place to shine properly. since even Brook has still problems there.
Making complete new main shs member when the story is over 70%.
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At this point, I think it'd be funnier/more interesting if Carrot became a member of the Strawhat successor crew in the eventual epilogue.
And what we're seeing now is her backstory in motion, complete with mentor death!
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I don't know, I think she will be too knowledgeable to join Makino's kid crew in Two Piece. By the way, will Pez be their rival or crew member? It is too soon to start theorizing about the next nakamates of the sequel? Nah…
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Two Piece - One Piece Next Generations! Don't miss Luffy's son Tuffy's adventures as a Marine, after rebelling against his father, the Pirate King, because he is never home and must work all the time.
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The son of Shanks and Makino will recruit all the rejects we wanted to join. Carrot, Paulie, Perona, the Takoyaki trio, the ghost of Monet, etc.
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With all of oda's stance toward mothers being the antithesis of adventure, Im just not seeing a grandma having much of a role here since oda probably feels they are probably the same. Kureha already kind of has the role of badass granny carved out and while one might say but look at all the cool old guys Im not too sure if we'll get more than her, vice admiral tsuru, and a few others Ive probably missed.
It just feels like a wish more than a prediction now, especially since the whole thing is based on the completing of the family comparison that oda has made when perfectly represented nuclear families have never been part of the story really, so I guess this metaphorical idea could work and it does make sense but without any face beyond "cool granny" it seems not too concrete
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Jinbe
Also, while I think Carrot is just another in the long line of rotation guest slots in the crew. If Oda was going to give her something to make her stand out at all, it's gonna happen in the next few chapters I reckon.
If they play up the "full moon power up" thing thats actually the complete death knell for any chance at her joining. You can't just have every single big fight the strawhats have focus around the full moon… as is its awkward enough that we might be getting it here (despite it being a full moon on zou less than a week ago!) and again in Wano with the full army. Plus, Chopper already has the monster power up transformation, that would just make her even more like Chopper than she already is.
@uniaka:
I don-t see how complete new character can get over the 2 years. At least jimbei was around since ID next to luffy in his ace adventures, posts with cake island and fishman. Helping defeat the first yonkou doesn-t count either, since kaidou is pretty much a way too many allies thing, so he has no place to shine properly. since even Brook has still problems there.
I don't see how any new character can join that wasn't there when they met Laboon. That was such a crucial crew defining moment. And the defeating of Crocodile? How could anyone possibly miss out on that? Though really when you get down to it, anyone that didn't meet Gaimon doesn't feel like they had the true experience, and Zoro slept through that entirely, so he doesn't count. (But Usopp attended in the anime if not the manga, so he's okay.)
The later person is always going to miss out on something, and yes, it's pretty late in the story now for anyone new and the timeskip was a biggie and even our newest member was years and years ago now… but Brook only knew the crew for like 2 days before they were separated and he still had just as strong a bond. And the series proper still has 9 or 10 years left in it probably. Long as the last person shows up near the start of Wano, should be fine.
That said, I do think joining after Kaidou when the crew has defeated an Emporer and is now world class level and they only have a Shanks, Elbaf and Raftel to go is pushing it.
(For the record
Cake-4-5 more months
Wano-2 years
Elbaf-1 year
Odds and ends like Reverie, Shanks, Vegapunk, unguessable unhinted at mini arcs- 2 years
Raftel-1 year
Final war- 3 yearsRough estimate obviously, but...)
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Brulee would fit the old-woman criteria I'm hoping for. She definitely looks different than the other girls.
You know Brulee is not really a granny right?
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Why would all future fights have to happen with the full moon?
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Why would all future fights have to happen with the full moon?
Because then why have a full moon ability to begin with if it is hardly ever used? It means Carrot will either almost never be allowed to go all out or needs there to be a coincidental full moon frequently.
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@Count:
Because then why have a full moon ability to begin with if it is hardly ever used? It means Carrot will either almost never be allowed to go all out or needs there to be a coincidental full moon frequently.
Not really seeing the issue with that, but alright.
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To be honest, Carrot is a very competent fighter as she is, so she doesn't need a full moon for that. Having her true power be locked behind something like that could actually be used as something to spice up her fights and keep her from being too overpowered if the power up is too big (it works for Escanor, so why not?).
Also, it's not like Oda is bound by consistent moon cycles. It was a full moon one week ago (story wise) when they were on Zou and here it is again already, so that wouldn't be a hindrance.That said, the power up point out to be the mink going berserk judging by Wanda saying they were lucky the moon was covered by mist when the SH were there and having even her big power up being a copy of Chopper's Monster Point would just be the cherry of the cake. Also, Carrot's powering up will probably be used a perk on the main event that will be shown at Wano when Inuarashi and Nekomamushi show their full power, and having her power up being used as just the opening of someone else doesn't really scream main character…
That said, regardless of joining discussion, I just hope the full moon effect will not be that just because I think it is a bit overused... maybe something like the mink becoming strong and extremely violent/blood lust?Anyways, Nekomamushi said Pedro should be the one accompanying the SH because he would be able to keep Pekoms in line... we are still waiting to see why he said that and if it was another hint of the full moon power up it couldn't be just "berserk mode" (how would Pedro keep Pekoms under control if he was berserker as well?).
