@The:
I hate this Shiryuu diamond DF theory. The minute Zoro got haki, the diamond fruit became irrelevant. All it does against Zoro is protect against long range slices. There's a bunch of fruits that would make Shiryuu more imposing. Giving him a defensive DF that provides no defense against Haki users is dumb.
Last I checked Haki wasn't a cure-all solution that could break anything.
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Ok so we know luffy is always rubber and though haki hurts him he's still rubber. If haki infused attacks allow someone to strike at the true self of a DF user, then shouldnt a haki infused blade cut him like he's normal.
Jozu's fruit seems to be activated on command so is it different than luffy who is perpetually rubber. Does this mean his haki shouldnt have an effect on zoro besides giving him more power. That makes the most sense thematically but I feel like Im not understanding it completely.
No it didn't.
You are chronically wrong.
Last I checked Haki wasn't a cure-all solution that could break anything.
However, last i checked haki allowed a user to hit through DF abilities.
While it's true that diamond powers don't seem to fit Shiliew at first, that's only because we're used to seeing Jozu's bull rush application of it. A swordsman with that fruit may use it in a different manner. Oda's potential creativity deserves more credit, especially in regards to the original techniques that Sabo and Blackbeard can do with their newest fruits compared to their predecessors. Besides, Mr 1's cutting diamond quote and Oda specifically drawing Mihawk's slice rendered null by Jozu, regardless of if it was a "full-power" air slash or whatever, has me supporting the theory as a way to show Zoro has surpassed Mihawk indirectly in swordsmanship skill, as well as beating the new World's Strongest Swordsman.
Haki does not negate one's Devil Fruit abilities, it merely allows you to make contact with a passive form. Somehting that's consciously controlled like Buggy's splitting and Jozu's diamond shouldn't be affected Haki, at least theoretically. Hence why Luffy could grab Caesar while Caesar was still in a gaseous state.
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@The:
However, last i checked haki allowed a user to hit through DF abilities.
It allows people to hit Logia elements as though they were part of the body, but Jozu's Devil Fruit seems more like Paramecia than Logia (he couldn't regenerate his missing arm), so he'd be like Trebol and Mr. 3 where his element could encase him without being part of his body.
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It allows people to hit Logia elements as though they were part of the body, but Jozu's Devil Fruit seems more like Paramecia than Logia (he couldn't regenerate his missing arm), so he'd be like Trebol and Mr. 3 where his element could encase him without being part of his body.
You know Kuzan is missing a leg right?
You know Kuzan is missing a leg right?
Yes, but he has an ice prosthesis. The fact that Jozu didn't do anything about his arm suggests that his fruit allows him to encase his body in diamond rather than turn into and generate it.
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Yes, but he has an ice prosthesis. The fact that Jozu didn't do anything about his arm suggests that his fruit allows him to encase his body in diamond rather than turn into and generate it.
That is the thing. We never saw he trying to do it yet.
You usually don't need to have 2 arms all the time unlike legs.
That is the thing. We never saw he trying to do it yet.
You usually don't need to have 2 arms all the time unlike legs.
Nothing suggests it was a diamond Logia, which would be a really awkward kind of stupid power.
Like almost all Logias have been elemental or somewhat liquid like substances.
Smoke, sand, gas, fire, magma, electricity, snow, ice… ...diamonds?? What??
I'm 99 percent sure it is Paramecia, but if Trebol means something, it is you can't be always 100 percent on those kind of things.
@The:
However, last i checked haki allowed a user to hit through DF abilities.
It's not as simple as 'Zoro has haki so he automatically > diamond devil fruit' you have to look at the diamond devil fruit user's strength also. If Shiliew has haki also (which I'm sure he does) and if it's as strong as Zoro's haki or stronger, then Zoro is not going to be able to just cut through him easily.
@Count:
Oda's potential creativity deserves more credit, especially in regards to the original techniques that Sabo and Blackbeard can do with their newest fruits compared to their predecessors.
I don't think Blackbeard has done anything that Whitebeard didn't do, right?
I don't think Blackbeard has done anything that Whitebeard didn't do, right?
I'm talking about future potential, especially since he has two Devil Fruits that might compliment each other in combat.
The strangeness of Trebol and Pica not being logias, amazes me again, until I remember, with the way that they used their powers, being a logia would have been very very bad for them, Pica would have been instantanely defeated by Zoro with haki, and Trebol would have taken a few hits earlier than needed.
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The strangeness of Trebol and Pica not being logias, amazes me again, until I remember, with the way that they used their powers, being a logia would have been very very bad for them, Pica would have been instantanely defeated by Zoro with haki, and Trebol would have taken a few hits earlier than needed.
That same logic also applies to Magellan if he was a Logia user, especially if Ivankov actually taught Sanji how to use Haki and can use it himself. Although I seriously can't fathom how Venom Demon can be countered without any of the Admiral Devil Fruits from the canonical Parmecia standpoint in a hand-to-hand fight.
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I'm 99 percent sure it is Paramecia, but if Trebol means something, it is you can't be always 100 percent on those kind of things.
Actually Trébol means clover.
I feel like we could get a lot more out of the appreciation station
It wouldn't just be a huge face, at least
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@.access:
Actually Trébol means clover.
They weren't referring to Trebol's name; they meant to say that "If Trebol's Devil Fruit situation is any indication of appearances being deceitful, we may conclude that one cannot be sure of a fruit's classification until it is made concrete."
They weren't referring to Trebol's name; they meant to say that "If Trebol's Devil Fruit situation is any indication of appearances being deceitful, we may conclude that one cannot be sure of a fruit's classification until it is made concrete."
ok, erm… (...) ... it was a joke.
On the topic of Trebol, some imbeciles on Nardo forums still think he was a logia, in spite of the fact the character himself declared that was not the case.
But you repeat yourself.
Hmmmmm. I'm confused. Are you bashing me? Yeah, I've said some stupid stuff before and yes, I am a very infrequent user of said forum, but I don't
get where this is coming from.
Hmmmmm. I'm confused. Are you bashing me? Yeah, I've said some stupid stuff before and yes, I am a very infrequent user of said forum, but I don't
get where this is coming from.
I'm making a joke that Naruto Fan forum people are idiots as a matter of fact. That it goes without saying.
I'm making a joke that Naruto Fan forum people are idiots as a matter of fact. That it goes without saying.
Yeah. Pretty much.
Yeah. Pretty much.
A whole bunch of veterans on here, me included, once posted there a long while back. Is how we know.
I even made a mspaint comic about it once 
I even made a mspaint comic about it once
And you never finished the one about this forum 
Or you´re like Togashi ^^
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ok, erm… (...) ... it was a joke.
Don't mind him. It was a good joke.
@Don:
And you never finished the one about this forum
Or you´re like Togashi ^^
MK being Togashi makes too much sense.
On the topic of Trebol, some imbeciles on Nardo forums still think he was a logia, in spite of the fact the character himself declared that was not the case.
That is atrociously stupid. There was confusion over the matter beforehand, however.
That is atrociously stupid. There was confusion over the matter beforehand, however.
Understandably. I thought he was a logia until 783 myself.
I find myself conflicted with my heart hoping for carrot because of all the interesting interractions her personality dynamic could lead to but realize she thus far has lacked that important moment with luffy, a backstory to develop her personality more and other things. There's still a lot of time until this arc is over and Wano also where the minks will be so Im trying to not fall into the carrot4nakama craze until there's more substantiation, I have an unsure gut feeling though due to her feeling dofferent from a lot of other strawhats allies throughout…
Even though Carrot isn't holding my attention at the moment as the next most anticipated crewmate (that title belongs to the big, fat fish), if she does become a SH after this arc I wouldn't mind at all.
The face of a Straw Hat.
@The:
Even though Carrot isn't holding my attention at the moment as the next most anticipated crewmate (that title belongs to the big, fat fish), if she does become a SH after this arc I wouldn't mind at all.
Oh of course, jinbei is almost an absolute certainty. What was the right translation of that successive crewmates will join and was oda referring to dressrosa?
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Oh of course, jinbei is almost an absolute certainty. What was the right translation of that successive crewmates will join and was oda referring to dressrosa?
The SH Grand Fleet is made up of the allies that Luffy acquired in Dressrosa, no one on the island became a member of the main crew. When Oda talked about successive crewmates joining, he means that two more people will be sailing with Luffy.
I think Edward Weevil could be a possible candidate for next new nakama (after Jimbei). With luck, Luffy will encounter him soon. And after some stupid things, he could get along with Luffy. They are both idiots and have grudge with BB. The story needs to just separate him with his mother. He has Nekomamushi's build and probably antics too (I wish)! And SH could really use another powerful fighter.
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
They're not going to have someone join the crew that's been going around wiping out Whitebeard's crew.
Nekomamushi brings Marco back to join the alliance against Kaido, only to be met with the guy who's probably Marco's second worst enemy at this point.
…probably not.
Perona, Ceaser, and now Weevil can start a club.
Damn. You're not even giving him a chance. Weevil is not inherently evil. To his defense, his deeds are just from the influence of his mother.
Weevil? That's gotta be one of the more random possibilities out there.
Not 1 but 2 ex Shichibukai as crew members.
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Damn. You're not even giving him a chance. Weevil is not inherently evil. To his defense, his deeds are just from the influence of his mother.
I can practically see Nami taking over the role already.
Jimbei already breaks the m3, weevil with the power of WB in his young days only makes sure to delete the notion of m3 for good.
I only see him as the bridge between 2 yonkous. If BM gets defeated this arc, he will get defeated in a small arc before we get to wano and kaidou.
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I only see him as the bridge between 2 yonkous. If BM gets defeated this arc, he will get defeated in a small arc before we get to wano and kaidou.
That's highly unlikely. BM being beaten this arc, I mean. I think best SH can hope to do is fuck up the alliance between BM and 66 and get the hell out of Dodge. (With couple of good fights here and there.)
@uniaka:
Jimbei already breaks the m3, weevil with the power of WB in his young days only makes sure to delete the notion of m3 for good.
It is almost like Franky and Chopper doesn't exists.
I think Edward Weevil could be a possible candidate for next new nakama (after Jimbei). With luck, Luffy will encounter him soon. And after some stupid things, he could get along with Luffy.
Luffy gets along with a vast proportion of living creatures so I fail to see why even the possibility they might…matters at all.
They are both idiots and have grudge with BB.
So why do we need two.
The story needs to just separate him with his mother. He has Nekomamushi's build and probably antics too (I wish)! And SH could really use another powerful fighter.
Ok cool so I noticed you never actually gave any real reason to single this character out.
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Damn. You're not even giving him a chance. Weevil is not inherently evil. To his defense, his deeds are just from the influence of his mother.
Tell us more about a character who has had literally one scene.
Luffy gets along with a vast proportion of living creatures so I fail to see why even the possibility they might…matters at all.
So why do we need two.
Ok cool so I noticed you never actually gave any real reason to single this character out.
Tell us more about a character who has had literally one scene.
It's too soon to know anything. My intent is just to mention Edward Weevil's name here, so maybe we can watch out for him too.
As for why even I came up with him is purely based on good feeling. Nothing much. I just considered that SH might want another monster in the team. Recent big bads often have 4 top underlings. Story seems to find a way to reduce them to 3 but it might not be the case every time. I think 4 is probably a non-spoken standard number in terms of top executives in the NW. So maybe monster trio is not gonna suffice from now, We might need 2 more monsters. MAYBE.
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
As for why even I came up with him is purely based on good feeling. Nothing much. I just considered that SH might want another monster in the team. Recent big bads often have 4 top underlings. Story seems to find a way to reduce them to 3 but it might not be the case every time. I think 4 is probably a non-spoken standard number in terms of top executives in the NW. So maybe monster trio is not gonna suffice from now, We might need 2 more monsters. MAYBE.
Because Luffy doesn't have an entire fleet of 5600 crewmen and 7 captains that were promised great things in the future.
Oh wait…
