" I dont know jinbe might die because he talks about it a lot, and how is luffy gonna escape a yonko. Also jinbe is boring and I hate his design. But it just makes sense for him not to join"
Im sick of reading THINGS like this
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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I'm bored. Remember the coins from about 3 or 4 years ago? Well now the cards have spoken!
These were given out with Film Gold tickets right? There are probably various characters assigned to all the numbers but I like this cherry picked selection.
Lol at Zoro being a two of spade, I don't think it has any special meaning in english (or japanese), but in Québec, being a "Deux de pique" pretty much means being an insignifiant dumbass (as in the worst of all the cards)…
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@Long:
" I dont know jinbe might die because he talks about it a lot, and how is luffy gonna escape a yonko. Also jinbe is boring and I hate his design. But it just makes sense for him not to join"
Im sick of reading THINGS like this
Then do what I do: Pity their poor souls.
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These were given out with Film Gold tickets right? There are probably various characters assigned to all the numbers but I like this cherry picked selection.
I support this 100%.
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I'm bored. Remember the coins from about 3 or 4 years ago? Well now the cards have spoken!
These were given out with Film Gold tickets right? There are probably various characters assigned to all the numbers but I like this cherry picked selection.
It's that also the order that they joined?
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Does anyone else here not want another new crewmember? Don't get me wrong I expect Jinbei and probably someone else to join, but I feel like the crew is large enough already. Nine protagonists is already a lot to juggle, ten or eleven just sounds like too much to handle.
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Place your bets. Is [AlphaMale/AlphaBro, an obvious ban evader] going to get banned again today, tomorrow, or in a week?
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okay let's bet . Would love to see your losing face next week !
An actual bet and conversation on the Chapter 905 thread, literally an hour before he got banned again.
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Does anyone else here not want another new crewmember? Don't get me wrong I expect Jinbei and probably someone else to join, but I feel like the crew is large enough already. Nine protagonists is already a lot to juggle, ten or eleven just sounds like too much to handle.
Ten crewmates is good enough for me. Although if someone like Carrot or Pudding joins, then I won't complain.
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Does anyone else here not want another new crewmember? Don't get me wrong I expect Jinbei and probably someone else to join, but I feel like the crew is large enough already. Nine protagonists is already a lot to juggle, ten or eleven just sounds like too much to handle.
Can´t believe Oda is handling it so well already with nine, but he will definitely add one or two more.
But in recent years, we see him split the crew, so that he can focus on some crew members more efficiently.
Coming up with something to do / further develop a character in each arc is such a hard task, iam curious how Oda handles this for every crew member in the Wano arc and in the rest of the series.
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Does anyone else here not want another new crewmember? Don't get me wrong I expect Jinbei and probably someone else to join, but I feel like the crew is large enough already. Nine protagonists is already a lot to juggle, ten or eleven just sounds like too much to handle.
It's gonna be eleven. So may as well get used to it.
ANd considering he's currently juggling the crew and like 2 dozen side characters every arc, the crew count in and of itself isn't really the issue. ANd even that aside, Oda comes up with ways to split them. Characters can vanish off camera for volumes at a time, even when its not a full blown split like the last two arcs. (For instance Franky vanished for a huge chunk of Punk Hazard to go outside and get his robot.)
At least with Oda I expect him to actually use all 11, unlike Naruto or Bleach which just toss them aside and focus only on the lead. My Hero Academia and Shokugeki No Soma are doing pretty decently in balancing a large cast as well, and Ass Class did fine.
It's a lot, but not insane. Especially when there's 10 years of series left yet.
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Does anyone else here not want another new crewmember? Don't get me wrong I expect Jinbei and probably someone else to join, but I feel like the crew is large enough already. Nine protagonists is already a lot to juggle, ten or eleven just sounds like too much to handle.
The fact that there is 10 Titan Captains under Teach is evidence enough that it is gonna be eleven.
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The fact that there is 10 Titan Captains under Teach is evidence enough that it is gonna be eleven.
Wonder who the tenth one is. Hopefully it's not Stronger, although that would be hilarious.
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@Kaido:
Wonder who the tenth one is. Hopefully it's not Stronger, although that would be hilarious.
I'm going to guess it will be a completely new character and the evil counterpart of whoever will be the last crewmember.
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@Kaido:
Wonder who the tenth one is. Hopefully it's not Stronger, although that would be hilarious.
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Luffy vs Blackbeard
Zoro vs Shiryu
Nami vs Catarina Devon
Usopp vs Van Auger
Sanji vs Unknown
Chopper vs Sanjuan Wolf
Robin vs Doc Q and Stronger
Franky vs Jesus Burgess
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ANd considering he's currently juggling the crew and like 2 dozen side characters every arc, the crew count in and of itself isn't really the issue. ANd even that aside, Oda comes up with ways to split them. Characters can vanish off camera for volumes at a time, even when its not a full blown split like the last two arcs. (For instance Franky vanished for a huge chunk of Punk Hazard to go outside and get his robot.)
The Franky at Punk Hazard situation it the kind of thing I want to avoid as much as possible. But when you put it that way, I suppose two more characters in a cast of 25+ an arc won't make that much of a difference. I guess I'm just hoping we get another arc where the entire crew has a shining character moment before the final arc.
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Luffy vs Blackbeard
Zoro vs Shiryu
Nami vs Catarina Devon
Usopp vs Van Auger
Sanji vs Unknown
Chopper vs Sanjuan Wolf
Robin vs Doc Q and Stronger
Franky vs Jesus Burgess
Brook vs Lafitte
Jinbe vs Vasco Shot
Unknown vs Avalo PizarroDon't you think Chopper should fight the doctor that has an animal companion?
And Sanjuan Wolf either needs to be Jinbe (both fishmen) or Franky (giant mech.)
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if the Franky doesn't fight Sanjuan Wolf in some Tengen Toppa Thousand Sunny bullshit then I will be honestly shocked and disappointed in Oda
you can't have a kaiju sized motherfucker not fight the giant robot, it goes against the whole series!
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I would prefer to see Jinbe fight someone like Vasco Shot than Sanjuan Wolf. Don't get me wrong, that match-up would totally make sense if Wolf likely turns out to be a Fishman, but we've already seen that type of fight with Wadatsumi (even though it was a team-up with Sanji). And he already fought a huge character (by human standards) with Moria at Marineford. Not that Oda can't make Jinbe vs Wolf entertaining in its own right, but I would like to see Jinbe get a good and unique fight with someone close to his own size and fighting ability. Especially if Shot's whole alcohol theme gives him some sort of drunken fist martial arts style or alcohol manipulation to counter Fishman Karate. And those ornaments on his head don't look like attire as much as being a part of his body, so he might be an half-angler Fishman or something. Besides, Megazord Sunny is too epic to resist.
Luffy vs Blackbeard
Zoro vs Shiryu
Nami vs Catarina Devon
Usopp vs Van Auger
Sanji vs Jesus Burgess (with a new Devil Fruit. Marco's would fit)
Chopper vs Doc Q and Stronger
Robin vs Avalo Pizarro (this is the only one that has little going behind it for me, so it's interchangeable with the eleventh Straw Hat's fight)
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Brook vs Lafitte
Jinbe vs Vasco Shot
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if the Franky doesn't fight Sanjuan Wolf in some Tengen Toppa Thousand Sunny bullshit then I will be honestly shocked and disappointed in Oda
you can't have a kaiju sized motherfucker not fight the giant robot, it goes against the whole series!There's a good theory against it:
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that's a pretty shitty theory, fam ngl
it'd be way more against Oda's style to not have some giant brawl against a mech
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It's not a good theory if it's in Youtube video form.
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It's that also the order that they joined?
Yes it is. People will constantly argue about the order of Nami, Usopp and Sanji but for all intents and purposes she was the 2nd Person to join even if not fully committed until Arlong was put down.
Does anyone else here not want another new crewmember? Don't get me wrong I expect Jinbei and probably someone else to join, but I feel like the crew is large enough already. Nine protagonists is already a lot to juggle, ten or eleven just sounds like too much to handle.
I want Jinbe and could totally go for another after him. And Robby here explains why it wouldn't be too claustrophobic with 11 crew mates on board the Sunny.
It's gonna be eleven. So may as well get used to it.
ANd considering he's currently juggling the crew and like 2 dozen side characters every arc, the crew count in and of itself isn't really the issue.
This here! I've been trying to spread this idea since forever. If Robby says it it's gotta stick. It seems like forever now Oda has been balancing a metric ton of characters who all made their marks and had some relevance within their arcs. Imagine at Water 7 Paulie and Zambai were swapped out for Brook and Jinbe, it's the same balancing act we've had for a super long time now.
@Cyan:
It's not a good theory if it's in Youtube video form.
Words to live by.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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It's not a good comment if it generalizes.
I wouldn't dismiss that guy's theories so quick. Yeah, sometimes he does simple predictions like the one I linked, but check out his more serious theories. He's pretty good.No generalization. It's not a good theory if it's in Youtube video form. This is proven fact and applies to basically everything on every topic.
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That is meaningless because in the end robin is going to use "gigantesco mano woman" and use the sunny as an arm cannon to beat San Juan wolf.
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This here! I've been trying to spread this idea since forever. If Robby says it it's gotta stick. It seems like forever now Oda has been balancing a metric ton of characters who all made their marks and had some relevance within their arcs. Imagine at Water 7 Paulie and Zambai were swapped out for Brook and Jinbe, it's the same balancing act we've had for a super long time now.
Oda isn't as good at the whole balancing act as before though, mainly because the number of characters- especially relative to arc length- is ballooning massively.
If we take “cast members” as named characters who’ve accrued at some pages of screen time, and who are present in the arcs main setting–so no off-island Buggy status updates or Meadows’es- then yeah, something like Water 7 had a pretty big cast of 44 people. But it was also the longest arc in the series to date.
Dressrosa, in contrast, featured a whooping 74 characters (a series record) crammed into fewer (and shorter) chapters than Water 7. Once upon a time Alabasta had ~34 characters, now the tiny 20 chapter Zou arc somehow ends up with 37. Its no wonder Oda keeps splitting the crew, but when you still have that many to share the spotlight, inevitably many will get short thrift-including the main-character crewmembers. Oda has said that he is combining arc ideas in order to incorporate them all, that ideas are constantly coming to him, and that his main drive is drawing and character creation, and you can tell.To get back on track, I like Jinbe, and am looking forward to his proper joining. But Whole Cake has moved on from its “rendezvous with Jinbe” hook from Fishman Island to include Sanji rescue as the new main focus, as well as poneglyph retrieval, and possibly internal Big Mom family conflict. In short, the “density” of OP arcs has, with the exception of Punk Hazard, only increased, and I don’t think its an unfair sentiment to think that the crew is already “too large” in terms of consistent character spotlight.
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San Juan Wolf would be a great match- up for Zoro, since Wolf has the same size as Zoro's ego.:ninja:
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Don't you think Chopper should fight the doctor that has an animal companion?
And Sanjuan Wolf either needs to be Jinbe (both fishmen) or Franky (giant mech.)
Doctor vs Doctor makes sense. Plus Stronger being an animal means Chopper could talk to him. I see this happening if not my proposed one. Sanjuan Wolf's body is always obscured which is a reason I matched him up with Chopper with his not hiding properly quirk. Timid personalities. And perhaps Chopper will get another power up in an 8th form that is bigger and/or stronger than Monster Point.
As was stated, if Vasco Shot is some sort of Fishmen with Drunken Fishmen Kung Fu then Jinbe would be a good matchup. If not Jinbe, then perhaps Sanji…perhaps Vasco Shot is a cook and/or bartender?
I don't know if Franky should use his the mech for the BB Pirates fight. It would seem like him relying on something outside his own normal capacity while his enemy, SanJuan Wolf, used his own strength. Plus Franky has experience fighting a wrestler in Senor Pink hence a matchup with Jesus Burgess. Bonus them having the same body shape.
Robin is the most difficult for me to match. Matched her with Doc Q and Stronger because she can double herself making it a 2 on 2. Devil Child vs Death God. Is Doc Q morbid? I'm thinking probably.
Hopefully the unknown BB commander shows his/herself soon. Maybe by next year? Who knows. Will put matchup in better perspective.
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Does the ship role count if they fight?( well, with the exception of luffy and usopp for obvious reasons)
It's not like they will see who the better doctor is if they fight, Who is better navigator, or who is the better cook if they fight…
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@uniaka:
San Juan Wolf would be a great match- up for Zoro, since Wolf has the same size as Zoro's ego.:ninja:
You're vastly underestimating Zoro's ego.
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So Aokiji being the 11th crewmember of BB isn´t a thing anymore?
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So Aokiji being the 11th crewmember of BB isn´t a thing anymore?
I guess we all expect him to be a spy of the revolutionaries ^^ (that´s how they were able to get away from the Baltigo event)Who is going to beat him? With luffy stuck with BB and Zoro with Shilliew, I don't see sanji of jimbei defeating the guy that had a 10 days battle with Akainu lol
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I don't know if Franky should use his the mech for the BB Pirates fight. It would seem like him relying on something outside his own normal capacity while his enemy, SanJuan Wolf, used his own strength. Plus Franky has experience fighting a wrestler in Senor Pink hence a matchup with Jesus Burgess. Bonus them having the same body shape.
I had the same thought about Franky in relation to Burgess as they would be a good match for each other, as well as pondering the idea if having a battle that involved utilizing the Sunny would feel cheap. And it honestly wouldn't to me. Franky's always been about using tech to his advantage, upgrading himself, and relying on fuel. He's the one who built the Sunny and has it involved with his dream. And also, he already uses General Franky. Which is already made by a bunch of mini-vehicles in the Sunny no less lol. It's literally a mini-Megazord in its own right. Is every battle that he uses General Franky with automatically cheap because it wasn't the "real" Franky, or if there somehow an arbitrary difference between that and a Sunny Megazord just because of size? Don't get me wrong, I understand the integrity in wanting to see Franky fight in his normal base form. Who knows, he might get some advancements later on so that we can still see a bit of spotlight with that after he meets Vegapunk or something. But I feel like criticizing a battle involving a tech guy just for using "too much tech" sounds as hypocritical as it actually is. Oh, and there's the fact that Sanjuan Wolf's epithet is literally being called a "battleship", whether that's purely metaphorical or plays some sort of deeper Capone Bege-esque role.
Anyways, while Burgess certainly shares the trait of a wrestling physique with Franky, we have no idea how Burgess is going to change when he gets a Devil Fruit. And I'm pretty certain he'll get one because I doubt that Oda outright embarrassed one of his final antagonists several times in an outclassed rivalry against an opponent to not have some sort of redemption. I mean, I love how the Blackbeard Pirates are flawed characters that aren't untouchable or complete masterminds Aizen-style that mainly just wing it with fate compared to the Straw Hats, but what happened to Burgess was just embarrassing and awkward even by their standards (even if he did find the Revolutionary HQ). I think we saw Burgess try to steal the show and end up getting both overshadowed and overpowered by Burgess at least, not once, not twice, but THREE times, which is a bit overkill. It's almost as if it became a running gag with neon lights saying "BURGESS IS A SCRUB, HE NEEDS TO GET AN UPGRADE". Otherwise, why write him into fighting such an overpowered opponent several times without any change in tactics or emotions, especially with one of your hyped up final battle opponents? The fact that he was so keen on hunting for Devil Fruits and failing to get Luffy and Sabo's makes me think he'll get one in a major way to finally give him a big push in power to make up for his defense or something. And if he somehow gets, say, Marco's fruit (which would fit since they're both the first divison leaders of their respective crews, not to mention the phoenix-esque champion belt. And Blackbeard's crew is already a parallel of Whitebeard with the name, the Gura Gura, and Shiryu most likely getting Jozu's fruit at some point), he makes up for his established flaw and becomes a major threat. And someone with the Phoenix Fruit vs Sanji, what with the flying and fire theming everywhere, would be great. And obscene leg strength versus monstrous arm power works for me, and it would be fitting to give him a new match with a fire-themed opponent after Sabo. It's a stretch, but it can work. And if this does happen, then I of course don't expect Burgess to get his fruit in a fair straight-up fight, in a typical ambush/sabotage style the Blackbeard's are cunningly known for.
@uniaka:
Does the ship role count if they fight?( well, with the exception of luffy and usopp for obvious reasons)
It's not like they will see who the better doctor is if they fight, Who is better navigator, or who is the better cook if they fight…
Eh, I kind of agree concerning the ship roles, but it's a lot more relative than how you're putting it. It depends on how much the character's respective ship role is emphasized in their characters rather than just showing up on a title card or a single random panel. All of the Straw Hats are of course majorly themed after their positions in regards to their motivations and often their designs and/or powers. But with the rest of the OP world, Oda's a lot more sporadic when it comes to designating crew positions and their influence on the characters. I mean, did you know that Bepo is the navigator for the Heart Pirates? Name me one memorable thing in his design or panel time that he's done relating to navigation. His gimmick is being a talking bear, not anything navigation-related. This why I'm not keen on any suggestions of Nami facing off against Lafitte purely because of their crew positions, because navigation plays such a minute, unnoticeable role in Lafitte's characterization. Meanwhile, Catarina Devon is present by being both the only woman on the crew (and all of Nami's serious arc fights have been against female opponents, as much as I would like some variety…), as well as them both sharing a loose witch theme with Devon's epithet being "Crescent Moon Hunter" and ugly witch-esque design along with Nami having controlling the weather with wands, hanging out with the Weatheria Wizards for inspiration over the timeskip, and constantly being compared to or referring to herself as a witch. Meanwhile, Lafitte's tap dancing shoes, cane, and emaciated Time Burton-esque figure reminds me a LOT of Brook, especially since they both appear to have powers of hypnotization (which is probably due to some sort of Siren-themed Mythical Zoan, which would definitely fit a pirate/ocean manga that has had instances of Greek mythology references). Now, Oda can totally change up expectations at anytime with new Devil Fruit reveals, character traits for the Blackbeards, or when the eleventh Straw Hat and Blackbeard Pirate comes into the picture, but we can only go by the evidence we have so far when ship positions in these cases mean very little. And dreams like finding a mythical ocean of worldwide ingredients and being a cook, or trying to meet up with a whale that you're cool with because you're a musician does not rely on some climactic battle to make those relevant or conclusive. Just the stakes of the world involved and protecting their loved ones will spur characters like Sanji and Brook to fight than some analogue caricature that wants All-Blue or Laboon all to themselves for some whimsically unnecessary reason. Even Jinbe's likely ship role as the helmsman has little do with his characterization besides helping a ship once on the way to Marineford, as he is joining solely to improve human-Fishman relations with Luffy as an indirect champion of civil rights/unity. I doubt he's going to fight Burgess because of the arbitrary role, which is just as unremarkable in Jesus' case as well compared to being a macho wrestler and Devil Fruit hunter.
However, there are certain Blackbeard Pirates that are clearly established with their crew positions in mind, along with a few characters who's dreams are strictly battle-related. The most major and obvious example is Luffy dreams of being the Pirate King, a fervent believer in dreams and selfishness, is a captain, constantly gets into worldwide mishaps that he escapes out of due to sheer luck, and is a D, which directly parallels everything we know about Blackbeard (just change the part about luck to giving credit to fate, which establishes their ethical/philosophical dichotomy in execution despite sharing core characteristics and motivations). Becoming Pirate King isn't found solely in reaching Raftel, but overcoming the opposition to there as well as how you decide to personally define your usage of reputation and power, which varies for every individual since Pirate King is just a title without any set rules on how to "act" like a Pirate King. But the biggest facet of it is the fact that the ocean is full of contenders seeking the title, and Luffy and Blackbeard will be the final stragglers at the edge of the finish line fighting for supremacy as well as ideals and the fate of the world in terms of stakes.
Zoro is the swordsman of the Straw Hats and dreams of becoming the strongest swordsman of the world, which clearly means that his final battle should be on the line for becoming the strongest swordsman since that dream is entirely battle-oriented and this will be the last built-up moment where we him go all-out with the highest stakes on the line. Unless Oda's a good writer (which he is), getting the title before makes everything that comes after feel at least slightly anticlimactic, and saving it for the epilogue make his dream feel like a lackluster afterthought. You can even kind of tie Usopp and Robin into relying on their final battles to achieve their dreams (since being a "brave warrior of the sea" is such a loose definition that some may argue he's already achieved at this point and the Void Century and Rio Poneglyph is going to play an indispensable role in the series' endgame), but those are much more looser and situationally adaptable. Meanwhile, Shiryu is centrically established around the fact that he's an inhumane swordsman sociopath that mows down prisoners for fun and recruited solely because of his strength in swordsmanship. If the Blackbeards are going to be the final fight, then it's understandable that Shiryu will fight Zoro for supremacy over who isn't just the better swordsman, but the greatest swordsman in the world.
But then comes characters like Usopp and Chopper into the mix. Their dreams arguably aren't battle-oriented, but their ship roles make them clear parallels of Blackbeard crew members who have similar traits emphasized in their ship positions. Van Auger is constantly seen sniper scoping with his rifle from a distance with constant feats and compliments towards his accuracy, precision, and reaction time with his marksmanship while Usopp is emphasized as a sniper in his own right with his slingshots. In fact, that's literally how we're introduced to him in Jaya. But do I honestly see someone as calmly collected and homicidal as Van Auger wanting to become a "brave warrior of the sea"? Not really. Oda could totally establish them having dreams of being the greatest snipers in the world, especially since Auger will most likely kick Yasopp to the curb in the inevitable Blackbeard Pirates versus Red Hairs + Mihawk showdown, but he's rarely paid any attention to that sort of thing. Probably to emphasize Usopp's character development around valor and pride with how the Giants and his father are role-models to him rather than just wanting to be a really great sniper, especially since he is constantly pitted into close corners with intimidating opponents. I think he even said that he didn't acknowledge how good he was at sniping until right after he joined the Straw Hats lol. So Usopp's inescapable showdown with Auger is mainly founded on their crew positions along with maybe their contrasting personalities in often being intimidated/never being emotionally phased than their actual dreams.
Meanwhile, Chopper's dream of finding a universal panacea obviously isn't going to be found in battling somebody. However, Doc Q, even in his freaking name, is established as the Blackbeard Pirate's doctor and his most memorable trait is being perpetually ill, whether that's a character trait or something to do with a Devil Fruit. He also rides Stronger, who is an animal while Chopper is a talking animal, but the main spotlight is their dichotomy of being doctors in how selfless Chopper regularly is compared to how Doc Q is always ill and likes to deceive people into death for fun, as seen with the apple bombs on Jaya. At most, I can see their fight relating to Chopper's dream if Doc Q's Devil Fruit or tactics rely on seemingly incurable plagues and Chopper somehow finds a way to subvert them during mid-battle as major progress towards his dream, but their conflict is found in mainly just their crew position, ethical polarity, and animal-theming. Not with their actual dreams on the line.
Basically, my point is that there does not have to be an absolute rule as to whether or not crew position matters for every single parallel, you just have to relatively look at each character's traits and roles and acknowledge what Oda emphasizes and what he doesn't. There doesn't have to be a specific arbitrary pattern other than the obvious fact that the Blackbeards are meant to be dark versions of the Straw Hats. It can be their dreams, ship positions, abilities, or character traits, but it doesn't have to be any single one of those or every single one like a checklist for groceries. Oda isn't that arbitrarily meticulous, otherwise the theories about new Straw Hat members relying on having unique color themes, unique first letters of their names, etc, are true when they're just asinine, minute coincidences. If any of those are consciously done, he does those things to be creative with diversifying his main cast, but not as an end all, be all determining factor. The only pattern shown to have some evidence is the Devil Fruit number theory since that's actually been acknowledge in the manga and by Oda in some form or fashion.
Sorry if it seems like this was an excessive reply lol. I try not make walls of text. And Kuzan will obviously not be the tenth Blackbeard captain.
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It's not a good comment if it generalizes.
I wouldn't dismiss that guy's theories so quick. Yeah, sometimes he does simple predictions like the one I linked, but check out his more serious theories. He's pretty good.Nothing good comes from youtube fan videos.
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@Don:
So Aokiji being the 11th crewmember of BB isn´t a thing anymore?
I guess we all expect him to be a spy of the revolutionaries ^^ (that´s how they were able to get away from the Baltigo event)Aokiji is doing some antihero shit where he's associating with evil bastards to try and effect changes in the world he was all about while still in the Marines. This is clearly his plot.
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Aokiji going from the Admiral with strongest moral sense to an unambiguous Blackbeard ally is legitimate one of the dumbest theories ive seen.
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Im skeptical about the whole marco's fruit, Catviper said they would try to get his help for the fight against kaido, I cant see him being mentioned and then him refusing or already being dead. I think if he joins in then there's a low chance of him dying since he would become ajd ally and BB's crew will already kill shanks ( and mihawk as well, Yasopp ) so I feelI dont know why this marco fruit theory has gained as much prominence as the jozu fruit one. Oda isnt gonna have BB's go to islands the SH's have visited and blow up cities all for the evilz and to make revenge fuel, pda has never been a revenge obssessed dude.
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And he probably tipped off or aided the Revolutionaries in some way to avoid getting obliterated in Blackbeard's assault on Baltigo. Not that this makes him a Revo double agent or anything, but it fits the whole individual anti-hero cause.
@Long:
Im skeptical about the whole marco's fruit, Catviper said they would try to get his help for the fight against kaido, I cant see him being mentioned and then him refusing or already being dead. I think if he joins in then there's a low chance of him dying since he would become ajd ally and BB's crew will already kill shanks ( and mihawk as well, Yasopp ) so I feelI dont know why this marco fruit theory has gained as much prominence as the jozu fruit one. Oda isnt gonna have BB's go to islands the SH's have visited and blow up cities all for the evilz and to make revenge fuel, pda has never been a revenge obssessed dude.
Who said it can't happen at some point during or after Marco helps out at Wano? I agree with a lot of what you're saying will happen and Marco's fruit being stolen doesn't have as much evidence as Jozu getting fruit stolen, but it's not out of the question. In fact, we don't even know if Jozu's fruit has been stolen yet or if he's dead. He and the other remnants could still be chilling with Marco wherever he is until Blackbeard decides to troll them again for the umpteenth time at some point. And everybody's going to go their separate ways after Wano since Luffy doesn't like having other crews tagging around for too long, not to mention that we still have a few arcs left before Raftel at that point. This whole thing can go down in a lot of ways. The BB's don't have to steal either of their fruits for the sake of spiting the Straw Hats, I don't know where that came from.
And killing the Red Hair Pirates already counts as revenge fuel for Luffy, Zoro, and Usopp. You kind of said it yourself lol. Luffy consistently helps his friends out purely for the sake of avenging them rather than a selfless cause to save the world like a superhero. And Law was made defeating Doflamingo his life goal Sasuke-style, and Luffy both helped and actually did the deed. Revenge isn't anything new for the series, it's just not going to be obsessed about for years on end Guts/Griffith-style.
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So…is it time to put up a character poll for next nakama? See where Arlong Park as a community thinks will be the next nakama. Just a suggestion.
Question: Who will be the 10th and 11th Strawhat crewmates?
Get 2 selectionsExample list:
Caesar Clown
Carrot
Jinbe
Pedro
Pekoms
Pudding
No one after 10th crewmate
Old character not on list
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I'm expecting the last crewmember to be recruited on Wano.
No interesting candidate appeared on Totland. Plus, with Jinbe joining for sure, it would seem a bit odd to me for the crew to gain 2 members in the same arc.
Someone from Wano should mean someone with an "eastern" fighting style (samurai, ninja, monk, onmyouji…). Unlikely to be a samurai of course.
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So…is it time to put up a character poll for next nakama? See where Arlong Park as a community thinks will be the next nakama. Just a suggestion.
Question: Who will be the 10th and 11th Strawhat crewmates?
Get 2 selectionsExample list:
Caesar Clown
Carrot
Jinbe
Pedro
Pekoms
Pudding
No one after 10th crewmate
Old character not on list
Completely new characterA poll would be worthwhile if we didn't already know Jimbei would join, and had any reason to already be talking about another one after him. We don't.
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I'm expecting the last crewmember to be recruited on Wano.
No interesting candidate appeared on Totland. Plus, with Jinbe joining for sure, it would seem a bit odd to me for the crew to gain 2 members in the same arc.
Someone from Wano should mean someone with an "eastern" fighting style (samurai, ninja, monk, onmyouji…). Unlikely to be a samurai of course.
I don't really care if it's a woman or a man.So may you explain your ideal candidate's feats from Wano? I would like to see it. Maybe a poll on the feats is a better option.
Example List
Gender Role: Male, Female, Okama
Fighting Style: Ninja, Samurai, Monk, Onmyouji, Kabuki, etc…
Personality: Serious, Silly, Mysterious, etc...Whatever else that would make sense for this Wano ideal candidate.
@Monkey:
A poll would be worthwhile if we didn't already know Jimbei would join, and had any reason to already be talking about another one after him. We don't.
Ummm…ok. Too soon you say. Sure.
By the way, who is "We" in your statement "We don't"? I want to know if you are speaking for a group or all in Arlong Park. Or perhaps just yourself speaking as....royalty.
Or something else. Clarify please.I'm sure there are some people who would want a new poll. Hell didn't Jinbe was in/win the last one even though technically Jinbe still isn't a crewmate yet? Leave him out then if we are all in agreement he will join. I'm sure that other people would like a say too about the poll besides you.
And if a poll is created you and others who share your view can pick "New character" or "No one". Simple.
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Until a few days ago I thought Jinbe joining was completely impossible due to the door problem, however, Mole Mania teached us that Jinbe doesn't have to give shit about doors and can go right through the wall instead.
So I guess Jinbe is a possibility. Though there will be a lot of bad blood between him and Franky who always has to repair the destroyed walls.
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@Monkey:
A poll would be worthwhile if we didn't already know Jimbei would join, and had any reason to already be talking about another one after him. We don't.
A poll like that would be better for the new crewmate who's joining before or after Jinbe.
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By the way, who is "We" in your statement "We don't"? I want to know if you are speaking for a group or all in Arlong Park. Or perhaps just yourself speaking as….royalty.
Or something else. Clarify please.People who know what the fuck they're talking about, and people with half a brain.
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I hate this Shiryuu diamond DF theory. The minute Zoro got haki, the diamond fruit became irrelevant. All it does against Zoro is protect against long range slices. There's a bunch of fruits that would make Shiryuu more imposing. Giving him a defensive DF that provides no defense against Haki users is dumb.
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@The:
I hate this Shiryuu diamond DF theory. The minute Zoro got haki, the diamond fruit became irrelevant.
No it didn't.
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@The:
The minute Zoro got haki, the diamond fruit became irrelevant.
It seems to at least work with long-range attacks.
But yeah, Shiryu doesn't screams Diamond Man in my eyes. Maybe on Burgess, so Oda can show Sanji crashing diamonds with his legs instead.
The face of a Straw Hat.
