How did Jinbei showing up bring back this "Goa king is hidden" debate, again?
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You know, it's not because red star members are rooting for the theory that you have to blindly follow them. I'm pretty sure they are trolling with this anyway although some of them were pretty serious about this until Stelly appeared as the new King.
That is something only a Troll would say.
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"B-but he looks random!" What the hell is that supposed to mean?
It's supposed to mean that he is not recognizable for the readers. This is just basics, even more with an author like Oda who always draw wonky and memorable stuff on his characters.
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It's supposed to mean that he is not regonizable for the readers. This is just basics, even more with an author like Oda who always draw fonky and memorable stuff on its character.
Yeah, just like bowler hat guy.
Like, he's the only guy out there wearing a bowler hat.
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evelyne you're just grasping at straws at this point. There is a possibility the King of Goa could be a really important character in the future as the story progresses. The fact that he IS the King of Goa is enough to support this. Why are you so adamant in denying this with such odd details and comparisons to other character introductions?
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Red stars, red stars!!!!!!!
What are the probabilities?!
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Yeah, just like bowler hat guy.
Like, he's the only guy out there wearing a bowler hat.
a bowler hat and what it seem to be like a feather coat are very Oda's like, yeah, it's memorable for the reader.
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I never seen so many contradictions outside an Ace Attorney game.
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evelyne you're just grasping at straws at this point. There is a possibility the King of Goa could be a really important character in the future as the story progresses. The fact that he IS the King of Goa is enough to support this.
Welp, he isn't the king anymore so no. And we have no name and no face, it ain't happening. Why is that such a big deal for you guys? Did you love the guy or something?
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a bowler hat and what it seem to be like a feather coat are very Oda's like, yeah, it's memorable for the reader.
We can barely see the coat, and yet it's memorable?
I mean, it's not like the King hasn't been shown wearing clothes as well.
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Well hard to not have them if everything is right until a point. Bowler hat was just a fodder placed there to make Mango's connections more obscure, back then: "he was just a Shichibukai after all". Some thought that he worked directly for the Gorosei, not sure if I read many people guessing he was a Celestial Dragon.
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Hmmm…
In a few years when the previous Goa King is shown and explained in full the argument will become "well he wasn't important then but he is now, so everyone was right and wrong."
So how about that Jimbei? Any predictions on what will be taken away from Jimbei? Will Big Mom's rage maim him directly or will she go after Fishman Island?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Welp, he isn't the king anymore so no. And we have no name and no face, it ain't happening. Why is that such a big deal for you guys? Did you love the guy or something?
Your logic can be easily used to discredit bowler hat guys as just a "random", as well as most brokers shown.
You're being extremely contradictory.
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We can barely see the coat, and yet it's memorable?
I mean, it's not like the King hasn't been shown wearing clothes as well.
I'm sorry but the hat alone make it memorable for the reader. The King's clothers however are not memorable at all and he probably isn't wearing these clothes today
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Your logic can be easily used to discredit bowler hat guys as just a "random", as well as most brokers shown.
You're being extremely contradictory.
every brokers have a specific and memorable design. I don't know why you are even trying.
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I'm sorry but the hat alone make it memorable for the reader. The King's clothers however are not memorable at all and he probably isn't wearing these clothes today
And the bowler hat guy is?
It's a hat after all. Anyone can take those off.
every brokers have a specific and memorable design. I don't know why you are even trying.
You probably haven't noticed, but you have become the butt of the joke in the thread.
I'm not the one trying hard here, Renji.
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And the bowler hat guy is?
It's a hat after all. Anyone can take those off.
The flashback happened more than 10 years ago so yes, it is very likely that the King isn't wearing the same clothes while severals characters have been wearing the same hat for years in this series.
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Welp, he isn't the king anymore so no. And we have no name and no face, it ain't happening. Why is that such a big deal for you guys? Did you love the guy or something?
King in present time on the story or not he was still king of one of the kingdoms allied with the WG. We have a title, we've seen part of his face and clothing which suggests Oda has a design in mind for this character. Why are you saying it isn't happening?
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The flashback happened more than 10 years ago so yes, it is very likely that the King isn't wearing the same clothes while severals characters have been wearing the same hat for years in this series.
Characters change hats: Brook, Chopper, Law, Bonney.
I mean, by this logic, Akainu should have kept the hoodie + hat combo, because it was "memorable".
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Why are you saying it isn't happening?
Are you ignoring all of my posts? I have explained very clearly why this guy isn't turning into an important character.
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Are you ignoring all of my posts? I have explained very clearly why this guy isn't turning into an important character.
And you're being refuted by pretty much everyone in the last two pages.
No one here agrees with your bullshit.
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Characters change hats: Brook, Chopper, Law, Bonney.
Robin, Luffy, Ace, Perona, Mihawk, Arlong and so on. They've been wearing their hat for years so I fail to see your point. That guy can still be wearing the same hat, there is no problem with that. And we don't even know if he is going to turn into an important character anyway? So this discussion is pretty pointless.
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Jimbe ain't losing anything, not his eyesight, just…please, I know he would end up being a godly badass either way...but no. He'll get a scar on the other eye to compliment his other side max....
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No one here agrees with your bullshit.
It's no problem if you guys don't agree with me. You believe whatever bullshit you want. I know I'm right, that's all. This guy is random and won't be important. That much is obvious.
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Robin, Luffy, Ace, Perona, Mihawk, Arlong and so on. They've been wearing their hat for years so I fail to see your point. That guy can still be wearing the same hat, there is no problem with that. And we don't even know if he is goign to turn into an important character anyway? So this discussion is pretty pointless.
Funny you mention Perona, considering she changed hers.
Robin also doesn't wear a hat much anymore. And Ace didn't wear one in the flashback.
Headwear is actually quite volatile in the series, it appears.
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It's no problem if you guys don't agree with me. You believe whatever bullshit you want. I know I'm right, that's all. This guy is random and won't be important. That much is obvious.
Sure, you're so right you couldn't even name hat-wearing characters right.
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Funny you mention Perona, considering she changed hers.
Robin also doesn't wear a hat much anymore. And Ace didn't wear one in the flashback.
Headwear is actually quite volatile in the series, it appears.
That…doesn't prevent that character to wear the same hat, at all.
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That…doesn't prevent that character to wear the same hat, at all.
Looks like you're being a bit dense. Here, have a game to stimulate the brain:
Can you identify the hats?!
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Looks, like you're being a bit dense. Here, have a game to stimulate the brain:
Can you identify the hats?!
If anything, it just shows how a character is easily recognizable with his hat, so thanks you for proving my point.
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If anything, it just shows how a character is easily recognizable with his hat, so thanks you for proving my point.
Funnily enough, half of those hats aren't even worn anymore.
Which goes against your point. Bowler hat guy having a bowler hat doesn't make him distinct.
The King of Goa does have shown features and wardrobe, but he can be important regardless of those things. He was a big part of ASL's life, albeit indirectly.
You've been doing nothing but moving goalposts for no other reason but… well, I don't even know why you're so against this. This should be a rather minor thing.
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Funnily enough, half of those hats aren't even worn anymore.
If you want characters who have been wearing their hat for years it's not a problem: Mihawk, Capone, Shiliew, Laffitte, Lucci, Kaku, Roger, Vista…the list goes on obviously. So what's your point again?
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If you want characters who have been wearing their hat for years it's not a problem: Mihawk, Capone, Shiliew, Laffitte, Lucci, Kaku, Roger, Vista…the list goes on obviously. So what's your point again?
Read the previous post.
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Which goes against your point. Bowler hat guy having a bowler hat doesn't make him distinct.
It does, actually. Heck, you are even calling him "Bowler hat guy", which prove my point.
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It does, actually. Heck, you are even calling him "Bowler hat guy", which prove my point.
Just like I call the King of Goa "the King of Goa". There's not much to call one without a name.
Titles, positions etc. are characteristics, just like outfits and facial features.
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What's hilarious is that you guys are actually thinking a King whose name and face are unknown and hasn't been shown during ASL flashback, will turn out important either in another Goa flashback (so it will be absolutely impossible to know if this King was the same king during Sabo's flashback except if we look at his DNA), or in the present time and in this case as well it's impossible to know since we don't have…his name and face.
B-but, he will turn out important, for sure!
I too think there are no more flashbacks for Luffy's home island that will happened.
That would require some sort of other character with hinted backstory there who is important.
But we don't have th
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@Monkey:
I too think there are no more flashbacks for Luffy's home island that will happened.
That would require some sort of other character with hinted backstory there who is important.
But we don't have th"B-but there's no proof the king will be the same!!!"
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"B-but there's no proof the king will be the same!!!"
Exactly, I see you have read my posts carefully.
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Hmmm…
In a few years when the previous Goa King is shown and explained in full the argument will become "well he wasn't important then but he is now, so everyone was right and wrong."
So how about that Jimbei? Any predictions on what will be taken away from Jimbei? Will Big Mom's rage maim him directly or will she go after Fishman Island?
Even though I'm 100% against him losing a limb at all, if Jinbei has to lose a limb it would most likely be a leg. He needs both arms to do most of his attacks (including his Ocean Current Shoulder Throw) and he only has one move that involves kicking with those short stubbs called legs. Also, his swimming speed would be decreased, making Sanji the fastest SH underwater. But I would rather have BM try to destroy Fishman Island since it would give Luffy a legit reason to fight her and protect his future territory.
Another thing, what are you (and everyone else) looking forward to when the blue goomba joins? For me, I can't wait to see the crazy hijinks the crew will put Jinbei through. I'll be able to die with my dream fulfilled.:happy:
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Roger wore different hats.
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@Tamiel:
Roger wore different hats.
No one said that he has been wearing the same hat all his life?
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Exactly, I see you have read my posts carefully.
Never mind that Dragon at the time was just starting becoming famous (going by Vivi's own Reverie flashback). His potential flashback would not be far from ASL flashback timeline-wise.
Chances of a different king are very, very slim. And if he is, we will definitely see the successor.
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Exactly, I see you have read my posts carefully.
If he y'know, has the same bottom of the face, is the father of Stelly's wife, or any number of easy hand holding methods of establishing continuity I fail to see an issue.
It's virtually completely impossible that Dragon's backstory doesn't involve the monarchy of Goa, so even if this king is dead somehow, even then, he is bound to show up in some capacity in Dragon's flashback.
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Never mind that Dragon at the time was just starting becoming famous (going by Vivi's own Reverie flashback). His potential flashback would not be far from ASL flashback timeline-wise.
Chances of a different king are very, very slim.
Of course Dragon will get a flashback, probably Goa will be involved. But no, the King that we saw during Sabo's flashback won't be important. Because as I said, (for the hundred times now), his name would have been given to us.
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No one said that he has been wearing the same hat all his life?
His hat is the only important one in the story.
I'm still waiting for your probabilities.
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I don't see how the fact that "The King of Goa might not be an important character" situation is so important(lol) to the point that someone have to fight a losing fight to prove their thesis.
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Of course Dragon will get a flashback, probably Goa will be involved.
There's no friggin' probably lol.
Dragon was born on Goa, Luffy was born on Goa, meaning Luffy's mom is 95% likely to be from Goa as well. This also implies Garp is connected to Goa in similar fashion.
Dragon apparently is no stranger to revisiting Goa (not even Windmill Village, but the capital city). Dragon has a frustrated line about having been unable to change his homeland just yet to Sabo. All of this unquestionably involving the social caste system of the island given y'know….everything about what and who Dragon is.
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@Monkey:
There's no friggin' probably lol.
I've said probably because there is always a possibility that Oda won't do that flashback on Goa (since we already got a flashback in this place and Oda making a flashback on the same place twice is actually not so likely), or that this part will just be a short part of the flashback while the rest will be about other events. While Dragon's life is connected to Goa there is also his relationship with Roger, his knowledge about the mysteries of the world and the Revolutionaries.
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Are you ignoring all of my posts? I have explained very clearly why this guy isn't turning into an important character.
No, I have not ignored your posts. I've read them and seen how you write an argument as to why you believe this character won't be important, then get that completely destroyed by someone else, and THEN you rephrase that argument in order to appeal to the POV that you have that the character will never be important. If anything you've shown how it feels to discuss with a wall but not why this character has absolutely no possibility of being important in the future.
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I've said probably because there is always a possibility that Oda won't do that flashback on Goa
Yes and perhaps tomorrow any one of us could get struck by lightning. Having to base your arguments on insanely distant possibilities is a good sign your argument is super terrible.
(since we already got a flashback in this place and Oda making a flashback on the same place twice is actually not so likely)
We had three flashbacks in Dressrosa set in Dressrosa. One from Rebecca, one from King Riku, and one from Kyros. But sure, impossible. Even with the family of the main character on the birth island of the main character. Which could arguably already be said to have had two flashbacks if we count chapter one.
Sure man, checks out.
You're not choosing to die on a bad hill, you're already dying on a bad hill but still flailing around in a puddle of your own blood like the Black Knight.r that this part will just be a short part of the flashback while the rest will be about other events.
Yeah man, Dragon, the revolutionary against monarchal and noble caste systems, all but from his own mouth explaining Goa as his place of influence, will spend any flashback of his just running around Mt. Corvo or something. And the obscenely caste heavy city will maybe make a cameo or something.
While Dragon's life is connected to Goa there is also his relationship with Roger,
What relationship with Roger.
his knowledge about the mysteries of the world and the Revolutionaries.
So you think, even though it conflicts with the way Oda does most everything, that Dragon's flashback will focus not on the establishment of his motives and who he is and what drives him….but on his quest to become who he is now after being motivated.
Much like how In Robin's flashback we had 6 chapters focused on her run from the law, looking for Poneglyphs, and joining BW. And 3/4 of a chapter focused on Ohara.
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So you think, even though it conflicts with the way Oda does most everything, that Dragon's flashback will focus not on the establishment of his motives and who he is and what drives him….but on his quest to become who he is now after being motivated.
Nope. As I said, I can see a flashback focusing on several steps of Dragon's life. And it's not like I disagree the flashback will also focus on Goa. It should focus on Goa's events. The thing I disagree is that the King we saw in Sabo's flashback won't be important.
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Nope. As I said, I can see a flashback focusing on several steps of Dragon's life. And it's not like I disagree the flashback will also focus on Goa. It should focus on Goa's events. The thing I disagree is that the King we saw in Sabo's flashback won't be important.
So you deny the monarchy of the kingdom a social revolutionary is from is going to figure into his backstory. Interesting theory!
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The thing I disagree is that the King we saw in Sabo's flashback won't be important.
So you agree he will be importent then.
The face of a Straw Hat.