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      @RomanceDawn:

      You're basically bringing up the infamy argument like so many others before you. Zoro was once more famous than Luffy and people for a time feared him more than Luffy.

      And I will use Robin as a counter example but not with Luffy, with Zoro once again. People are always so focused on the specific balance and placement of the crews bounties they forget that Robin had the 2nd highest bounty for a heck of a long time.

      Zoro is not the captain, I'm sorry but this is a weak argument.

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      If Jinbe had a bigger bounty than Luffy for a time then so be it. I feel like thats one of the weakest arguments people could bring up.

      keeping the highest bounty on Luffy, the captain, which has been the case since the start of the series and the case as well with every other crews is not a weak argument.

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      The main antagonist after Fishman Island was Doflamingo. Once we learned that I can assure that was on of the biggest reasons Jinbe had not joined yet. You can bet Oda didn't want both 2 War Lords teaming up with Luffy to take down 1.

      Or that Jinbe was too strong to be present at Dressrosa. Once again an argument used during Fishman Island. People who said that Jinbe could not join at the time because he was too strong were right.

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      Still despite all that, once more, just about anytime someone claimed Jinbe would not join it was always a reasoning for why he would never ever join the crew.

      That's because no one thought about a Jinbe joining after his own arc and it never happened before. It was Jinbe joining at the end of Fishman Island or never, because it made sense.

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        @evelyne:

        Zoro is not the captain, I'm sorry but this is a weak argument.
        keeping the highest bounty on Luffy, the captain, which has been the case since the start of the series and the case as well with every other crews is not a weak argument.

        Luffy has a subordinate crew where one of its members is worth 500,000,000B. That same member is no longer the captain. Oh the humanity! Luffy is their leader he should always have a higher bounty than all of them!

        Pretty sure Buggy's bounty was much lower(and probably still is lower) than many of the prisoners that followed him as well. It was certainly lower than Galdino's.

        This kind of falls into the experience argument as well, Jinbe's seen too much, he knows too much, just like Robin right? If anything an arc lasting a year or 2 of other characters in aww that a former War Lord with a higher bounty than Straw Hat Luffy would still follow Straw Hat Luffy would fit nicely in the story.

        Or that Jinbe was too strong to be present at Dressrosa. Once again an argument used during Fishman Island. People who said that Jinbe could not join at the time because he was too strong were right.

        In a sense yes, but its more so the idea of Jinbe joining with Law and Luffy against Doflamingo than what Jinbe would have actually been doing on the battle field. Dressrosa was bursting with higher tier characters and any one of the allies/enemies could have been substituted for Jinbe or fought against him while keeping things in check. Two ex-War Lords VS one, Oda wasn't going to do that, especially not when Doflamingo was basically the final enemy War Lord from the old guard before the time skip. Unlike the bounties I think the perception here actually mattered a ton.

        Jinbe is still the guy who Oda goes out of his way to portray as something less than many of the known War Lords. He's been doing that since his introduction to show us that he is not too strong for the crew.

        That's because no one thought about that and it never happened before. It was Jinbe joining at the end of arc or never, because it made sense.

        Huh? How does that make sense? After all that build up and even after the promise there were people still saying that since he didn't join at Fishman Island he wasn't joining ever. As if there was some sort of time frame in which Jinbe had before the deadline. It didn't make sense then, it certainly doesn't make sense now.

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          I think both of you are overthinking. Jimbei didn't join afer FI simply because he had to sever ties with BM, and building the courage to tell his own men and FI friends that his actions could blow back to the island. During PH and Dressrosa, he was monitoring Big Mom's turf figuring out that Luffy probably would rescue Sanji, and he's severing ties now believing he, Luffy and allies could take down Big Mom, ending his ties and yet bring no harm to FI.

          I don't think the bounty argument's valid because of the bounties of Luffy, Zoro and Robin after Alabasta. When Robin joined, they didn't know Luffy's bounty was at 100 mil, and Robin's was higher than Zoro for a long time despite being weaker. If Jimbei joined after FI, people would respect Luffy even more with a former shichibukai in his crew and probably his bounty would've raised too.

          And about the argument that Luffy+Jimbei+Law was too much for Doflamingo, if Jimbei was there, Oda wouldn't have to add so many allies we'll soon forget (not the SH grand fleet, the other fighters). Dressrosa arc had SHs, Law, plenty of random fighters, Sabo and Hack, Kyros vs Doflamingo & family and Fujitora & marines. Had JImbei joined, all ODa needed to do was add some other vice-admiral to balance.

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            @evelyne:

            Why the lies? No one actually thought that Jinbe could join after Fishman Island before Jinbe refusing Luffy's request. The discussion have always been about Jinbe joining the crew at the end of the arc, because that seemed painfully obvious that the crew would recruit a fishman and that Jinbe would join during Fishman Island, period. And fact is, every reason going against Jinbe at the time were valid. Now, the crew got stronger, their bounties raised, they sailed the New World and are heading towards their first battle against a Yonko, and finally Jinbe left his crew. Every reason going against Jinbe aren't valid anymore.

            By right away I meant after Impel Down. Also Jinbe didn't refuse Luffy offer, he said, I can't right now because I have something to do, but after I'm done with that, if you still want me in your crew, I'll be happy to accept, to which he got a response from the crew members telling him they will be waiting for him.

            We said Luffy would have to get a bigger bounty, because Oda would probably want to keep Luffy with the highest bounty in the crew, but that wasn't much of an argument, Luffy could get an increase later, still from a story standpoint that worked, because Oda had a story to tell, the Big Mom situation. I don't know what forums you were in, but ever since Jinbe said he accepted, but couldn't at that time, pretty much everyone here, even some haters with some common sense knew he was joining, no one changed opinions here, at least not to the not joining side.

            Here is the page of him explaining himself.

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            And here is the page with the crew telling him they are waiting for him.

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            @LucciJaguar:

            I think both of you are overthinking. Jimbei didn't join afer FI simply because he had to sever ties with BM, and building the courage to tell his own men and FI friends that his actions could blow back to the island. During PH and Dressrosa, he was monitoring Big Mom's turf figuring out that Luffy probably would rescue Sanji, and he's severing ties now believing he, Luffy and allies could take down Big Mom, ending his ties and yet bring no harm to FI.

            Exactly he said that himself.

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              @LucciJaguar:

              I think both of you are overthinking. Jimbei didn't join afer FI simply because he had to sever ties with BM, and building the courage to tell his own men and FI friends that his actions could blow back to the island. During PH and Dressrosa, he was monitoring Big Mom's turf figuring out that Luffy probably would rescue Sanji, and he's severing ties now believing he, Luffy and allies could take down Big Mom, ending his ties and yet bring no harm to FI.

              I don't think the bounty argument's valid because of the bounties of Luffy, Zoro and Robin after Alabasta. When Robin joined, they didn't know Luffy's bounty was at 100 mil, and Robin's was higher than Zoro for a long time despite being weaker. If Jimbei joined after FI, people would respect Luffy even more with a former shichibukai in his crew and probably his bounty would've raised too.

              And about the argument that Luffy+Jimbei+Law was too much for Doflamingo, if Jimbei was there, Oda wouldn't have to add so many allies we'll soon forget (not the SH grand fleet, the other fighters). Dressrosa arc had SHs, Law, plenty of random fighters, Sabo and Hack, Kyros vs Doflamingo & family and Fujitora & marines. Had JImbei joined, all ODa needed to do was add some other vice-admiral to balance.

              I agree with most everything you said but I didn't mean in story terms why Jinbe didn't join just yet. The actual story reasons are pretty easy to identify especially since it was so clearly stated with Neptune. I'm not sure how to phrase this but I guess I was talking on a uhhh structural level(?). I'm not really sure who to explain it, but while I have always been sure that since the time skip Jinbe was not too strong for the crew, Oda apparently wanted the established Straw Hats to run through the New World on their own with out the perception that they got by with a ton of help from a recruited War Lord(even though thats essentially whats been happening since Punk Hazard, lol). The story reason to go along with it could have been anything and everything but with the same result. Does that make sense?

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                The argument that since Jinbe's joining was postponed so we were all right in the end is hilarious. Jinbe postponing his recruitment wasn't some kind of unexplainable anomaly, he had very clear and well layered reasons which fit his character and everything we know about him up to now.

                The entire Jinbe wont join agenda sunk when Oda had Luffy seriously ask him after a heartfelt blood transfusion scene. The way I see it, the way Ive always seen it tbh is that Oda had to separate Jinbe before his official joining as a way to validate him joining a crew that literally just reunited after being separated for two whole years. Hell, you can even view his cover story that shortly followed as Jinbe's own Nakama separation story , after the fact of course.

                But just like his dream, his isn't necessarily a carbon copy about training or getting stronger for the crew , it's actually breaking a political and strategical alliance which was literally stopping him from officially joining Luffy and Co.–-Like he wants to.

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                  I wonder if he will actually join this year. This arc has a lot of potential and could very well last until 2017.
                  Man I can't wait for Jinbe to be officially a strawhat.

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                    I wonder if he will actually join this year. This arc has a lot of potential and could very well last until 2017.
                    Man I can't wait for Jinbe to be officially a strawhat.

                    I would be surprised if it didn't honestly. This one has meta-plot relevance, and is the first Time Luffy is going to meet a hostile (or at least unfriendly)Yonkou face-to-face.

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                      Zou was already an unexpected transitional arc. While it gave us some good exposition and History in the vein of Skypeia , they never really got into a big incident where they ended up directly confronting Jack or anything like that. All set up mostly.

                      I fully expect this arc to take an entire year, because you not only have Jinbe's drama of trying to leave Big Mom to join Luffy, but also Sanji's Family drama to cover. Buckle up.

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                        @evelyne:

                        Debating if Jinbe joins during Marineford, Fishman Island or now are different things. The reasons going against Jinbe were always valid:

                        • He was too experienced compared to the rest of the crew
                        • He was too strong
                        • His bounty was too high
                        • He was captain of his own crew

                        That's the main reasons used against Jinbe joining the crew beside the "he is too boring" and now none of these reasons are valid anymore. If anything, by not letting Jinbe joins the crew during Fishman Island, it's like Oda said "It's too soon for Jinbe to join", for all these reasons. In the end, no one was right or wrong, or more like, everyone was right about Jinbe. He was bound to join sooner or later because of "muh racism" and "muh diversity".

                        As someone who was also against Jimbei as crew member back then, you and I were both fucking wrong.

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                          @Monkey:

                          As someone who was also against Jimbei as crew member back then, you and I were both fucking wrong.

                          Wait a second, THE Monkey King was WRONG? My god… the world's ending.

                          The face of a Straw Hat.

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                            Evelyne Earlier This Year: HAHA, THE KING OF GOA WASN'T IMPORTANT RIGHT THIS MOMENT MAYBE, SO THE WHOLE GOA THING IS WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

                            Evelyne Right Now: Well you see…Jimbei being wrong overall makes it still right just then actually because...

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                              To be honest, I had never considered the possibility of Jinbe joining the crew before Fishman Island. He just seemed like a run-of-the-mill ally that would fill more of a Vivi role. When he asked, I was shocked, but didn't have anything against it. The more that's been revealed about him, the more I look forward to him finally joining. He's also the only person other than Robin to ask Luffy to join rather than the other way around, although it did go back to the normal way for Robin to fully join in Enies Lobby.

                              Spoiler:

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                                @The:

                                Wait a second, THE Monkey King was WRONG? My god… the world's ending.

                                Even though they are the same person it's more like Zephos was wrong, not monkey king. 😁

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                                @Kaido:

                                To be honest, I had never considered the possibility of Jinbe joining the crew before Fishman Island. He just seemed like a run-of-the-mill ally that would fill more of a Vivi role. When he asked, I was shocked, but didn't have anything against it. The more that's been revealed about him, the more I look forward to him finally joining. He's also the only person other than Robin to ask Luffy to join rather than the other way around, although it did go back to the normal way for Robin to fully join in Enies Lobby.

                                I would also mention that just because retroactively people can see signs of a present event being foreshadowed doesnt mean if a majority of people missed it they were dumb. Hindsight is always better than foresight.

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                                  I think the reason why Oda has not given us the face of the Goa King or the face of St. Jalmac can be connected to Dadan's line after Sabo was shot by St. Jalmac:
                                  "It was the world that killed Sabo…"
                                  Oda established a faceless System that time,so we can't Point a finger at a single Person to blame that Person.

                                  Though IDK if we will ever see Jalmac's or King Goa's face. But now we have Stelly around. A face I'd like to see punched. Even by the likes of Vivi.

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                                    @Monkey:

                                    As someone who was also against Jimbei as crew member back then, you and I were both fucking wrong.

                                    @Monkey:

                                    Evelyne Earlier This Year: HAHA, THE KING OF GOA WASN'T IMPORTANT RIGHT THIS MOMENT MAYBE, SO THE WHOLE GOA THING IS WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

                                    Evelyne Right Now: Well you see…Jimbei being wrong overall makes it still right just then actually because...

                                    I was rooting for Jinbe joining the crew since 2010, so in this case, you were wrong. But you were stupid enough to think that Doflamingo won't be defeated in his own turf, so there is that too. And yeah, that Goa king turning important just because his face was hidden was pretty stupid as well.

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                                      @evelyne:

                                      I was rooting for Jinbe joining the crew since 2010, so in this case, you were wrong. But you were stupid enough to think that Doflamingo won't be defeated in his own turf, so there is that too. And yeah, that Goa king turning important just because his face was hidden was pretty stupid as well.

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                                        @Roronoa:

                                        I think the reason why Oda has not given us the face of the Goa King or the face of St. Jalmac can be connected to Dadan's line after Sabo was shot by St. Jalmac:
                                        "It was the world that killed Sabo…"
                                        Oda established a faceless System that time,so we can't Point a finger at a single Person to blame that Person.

                                        Which is why Oda hid the faces of Sabo's parents….oh wait no we saw them in full in a whole variety of panels.
                                        I don't disagree about Jalmac. But he wasn't really hidden so much as slightly shaded in the face.
                                        The Goa King was completely almost comically hidden for the most part.

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                                          If the objective was to show Sabo as a victim of a faceless system, Oda wouldn't have bothered to show the king at all. Just a flunky carrying out orders from on high.

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                                            Correct. The panels with the king are all not needed for anything. All three of them. Yet there they are.

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                                              Goa King is definitely important. Could be working directly for the WG or the Nobles now.

                                              In regards to Jinbe, I would like to see him having his own dream too alongside Otohime's (as that is shared with most Fishmen and Merfolk out there). He most likely had a story before the Sun Pirates.

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                                                What's hilarious is that you guys are actually thinking a King whose name and face are unknown and hasn't been shown during ASL flashback, will turn out important either in another Goa flashback (so it will be absolutely impossible to know if this King was the same king during Sabo's flashback except if we look at his DNA), or in the present time and in this case as well it's impossible to know since we don't have…his name and face.

                                                B-but, he will turn out important, for sure!

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                                                  @evelyne:

                                                  (so it will be absolutely impossible to know if this King was the same king during Sabo's flashback except if we look at his DNA)

                                                  Umm… or if we get confirmation of him being the father of Sarie Nantokanette and Stelly's father-in-law?

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                                                    Umm… or if we get confirmation of him being the father of Sarie Nantokanette and Stelly's father-in-law?

                                                    No, this flashback would happen before Sabo's one in the timeline. As for the present time, sure it could happen that we learn that Sarie Nantokanette is actually the daugther of the previous King of Goa who set the fire on Gray terminal 10 years ago, but the probability of this happening are close to 0%.

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                                                      @evelyne:

                                                      No, this flashback would happen before Sabo's one in the timeline. As for the present time, sure it could happen that we learn that Sarie Nantokanette is actually the daugther of the previous King of Goa who set the fire on Gray terminal 10 years ago, but the probability of this happening are close to 0%.

                                                      Right because we were introduced to her briefly before the reverie and we will never see them again at all.

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                                                        @evelyne:

                                                        No, this flashback would happen before Sabo's one in the timeline.

                                                        How does it happening in that time make it impossible for us to know if the king is the father of Sarie?

                                                        As for the present time, sure it could happen that we learn that Sarie Nantokanette is actually the daugther of the previous King of Goa who set the fire on Gray terminal 10 years ago, but the probability of this happening are close to 0%.

                                                        Could you elaborate on the equation you're using that gives that result?

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                                                          Right because we were introduced to her briefly before the reverie and we will never see them again at all.

                                                          • Sarie Nantokanette needs to be the daughter of the previous King of Goa
                                                          • The previous King of Goa needs to be the one who set the fire on Gray terminal
                                                          • He needs to turn into an "important" character

                                                          If you've worked on probabilities you would know that the odds of all this happening are very, very low.

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                                                            @evelyne:

                                                            • Sarie Nantokanette needs to be the daughter of the previous King of Goa
                                                            • The previous King of Goa needs to be the one who set the fire on Gray terminal
                                                            • He needs to turn into an "important" character

                                                            If you've worked on probabilities you would know that the odds of all this happening are very, very low.

                                                            Why does the third point sounds impossible to you?

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                                                              Why does the third point sounds impossible to you?

                                                              Because if he were going to turn into an important character, his name would have been given to us, during the flashback. We have no name and no face. It's simply because Oda hasn't planned anything with this guy. It's as simple as that really.

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                                                                Because if he were going to turn into an important character, his name would have been given to us, during the flashback. We have no name and no face. It's simply because Oda hasn't planned anything with this guy.

                                                                Perhaps the same can be said to any Shichibukai outside of Mihawk and Jinbe and any Yonko outside of Shanks and Newgate. And there is also those Brokers from Punk Hazard.

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                                                                  Perhaps the same can be said to any Shichibukai outside of Mihawk and Jinbe

                                                                  not at all

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                                                                  and any Yonko outside of Shanks and Newgate.

                                                                  Their silhouette were shown when Garp introduced the Yonko.

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                                                                  And there is also those Brokers from Punk Hazard.

                                                                  http://i.imgur.com/XxWzkiR.jpg
                                                                  How is that in any way similar to Goa's king? All of them are easily recognisable.

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                                                                    not at all

                                                                    Their silhouette were shown when Garp introduced the Yonko.

                                                                    Teir names weren't show.

                                                                    http://i.imgur.com/XxWzkiR.jpg
                                                                    How is that in any way similar to Goa's king? All of them are easily recognisable.

                                                                    You can't identify any of they outside of Kidd, Pekoms and Tamago can't you?

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                                                                      In regards to Jinbe, I would like to see him having his own dream too alongside Otohime's (as that is shared with most Fishmen and Merfolk out there). He most likely had a story before the Sun Pirates.

                                                                      I think just doing what he truly wants for once qualifies as his own dream. Unlike the other Straw Hats he will start living his dream the moment he boards the Sunny.

                                                                      Sounds like a minor thing to most, but it could mean a lot to a 46 year old Jinbe. He's going to have his sabbatical!

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                                                                        • Sarie Nantokanette needs to be the daughter of the previous King of Goa
                                                                        • The previous King of Goa needs to be the one who set the fire on Gray terminal
                                                                        • He needs to turn into an "important" character

                                                                        If you've worked on probabilities you would know that the odds of all this happening are very, very low.

                                                                        I have, so I need a bit more of information on how you are taking these probabilities. Are these dependent or independent events.

                                                                        If the previous King of Goa is not going to be important in any way, then he will at least show up when they develop Stelly's ascension to the thrown. Unless we get no flashback to it…

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                                                                          Teir names weren't show.

                                                                          You can't identify any of they outside of Kidd, Pekoms and Tamago can't you?

                                                                          We have either their name or face , while we don't have his name and face for Goa's King, how hard is it for you to understand?

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                                                                            We have either their name or face , while we don't have his name and face for Goa's King, how hard is it for you to understand?

                                                                            We know he was the king og Goa and we know he was a shitty asshole noble. That is pretty enough info. His situation is not so different than former Fleet Admiral Kong.

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                                                                              In regards to Jinbe, I would like to see him having his own dream too alongside Otohime's (as that is shared with most Fishmen and Merfolk out there). He most likely had a story before the Sun Pirates.

                                                                              I feel like Jinbe's dream is strong. But I believe a few posters felt it wasn't personal.

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                                                                                We know he was the king og Goa and we know he was a shitty asshole noble. That is pretty enough info. His situation is not so different than former Fleet Admiral Kong.

                                                                                http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v58/c565.5/2.html

                                                                                His name was given, so no, his situation isn't the same at all.

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                                                                                  http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v58/c565.5/2.html

                                                                                  His name was given, so no, his situation isn't the same at all.

                                                                                  We have this character King of Goa and this other character Fleet Admiral Kong. Those are proper character names, so Fleet Admiral Kong is an evidence that cannot be overruled by any other existing evidence, so you lose.

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                                                                                    We have this character King of Goa and this other character Fleet Admiral Kong. Those are proper character names, so Fleet Admiral Kong is an evidence that cannot be overruled by any other existing evidence, so you lose.

                                                                                    King of Goa and Fleet admiral are titles, those aren't proper character name. Kong is a name. What the hell is wrong with you?

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                                                                                      King of Goa and Fleet admiral are titles, those aren't proper character name. Kong is a name. What the hell is wrong with you?

                                                                                      Just because you don't know his name, it doesn't mean he is not a character. By the time he was show, he was just as important as Kong before Marineford.

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                                                                                        Just because you don't know his name, it doesn't mean he is not a character. By the time he was show, he was just as important as Kong before Marineford.

                                                                                        But my point is that a character without face and without name cannot turn into an important character. He is a character, but not an important one.

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                                                                                          @evelyne:

                                                                                          We have either their name or face , while we don't have his name and face for Goa's King, how hard is it for you to understand?

                                                                                          Is the guy that speaks to Doula Mongo after the war not important? Because we don't have either his face or his name.

                                                                                          Oh, by the way, we actually see part of the king's face.

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                                                                                            Is the guy that speaks to Doula Mongo after the war not important? Because we don't have either his face or his name.

                                                                                            Oh, by the way, we actually see part of the king's face.

                                                                                            http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/0b/0b7fd744be6a04a08c1d566d9fbefc0e9aaba0ce0fd81a1eabae6faa.png
                                                                                            We have his shape, back of his head and we can clearly see his specific hat. It's more than enough for the reader to recognize him. Nothing to do with Goa's king.

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                                                                                              http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/0b/0b7fd744be6a04a08c1d566d9fbefc0e9aaba0ce0fd81a1eabae6faa.png
                                                                                              We have his shape and, back of his head and we can clearly see his specific hat. It's more than enough for the reader to recognize him. Nothing to do with Goa's king.

                                                                                              http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=587&index=1&page=16
                                                                                              And here we have an (unusually-shaped) beard, a mustache and shoulder-length hair.

                                                                                              Not hard to identify as well.

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                                                                                                Since when did knowing one's face and name become a criteria for making them important? Obviously I don't want a Kaguya-like character that pops up out of absolutely nowhere, but the previous King of Goa is at least an established character that can be expanded on.

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                                                                                                  But my point is that a character without face and without name cannot turn into an important character. He is a character, but not an important one.

                                                                                                  @evelyne:

                                                                                                  http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/0b/0b7fd744be6a04a08c1d566d9fbefc0e9aaba0ce0fd81a1eabae6faa.png
                                                                                                  We have his shape, back of his head and we can clearly see his specific hat. It's more than enough for the reader to recognize him. Nothing to do with Goa's king.

                                                                                                  Now you just contradicted yourself there.

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                                                                                                    http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=587&index=1&page=16
                                                                                                    And here we have an (unusually-shaped) beard, a mustache and shoulder-length hair.

                                                                                                    Not hard to identify as well.

                                                                                                    This guy doesn't have anything specific and look way too random.
                                                                                                    This is an example of character whose part of his face has been hidden and will turn important:
                                                                                                    http://i.imgur.com/Bskiz5x.png

                                                                                                    Because it is easily recognizable for the reader.

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                                                                                                    Since when did knowing one's face and name become a criteria for making them important? Obviously I don't want a Kaguya-like character that pops up out of absolutely nowhere, but the previous King of Goa is at least an established character that can be expanded on.

                                                                                                    You know, it's not because red star members are rooting for the theory that you have to blindly follow them. I'm pretty sure they are trolling with this anyway although some of them were pretty serious about this until Stelly appeared as the new King.

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                                                                                                      You know, it's not because red star members are rooting for the theory that you have to blindly follow them. I'm pretty sure they are trolling with this anyway although some of them were pretty serious about this until Stelly appeared as the new King.

                                                                                                      I don't care about what the red stars think. I'm just pointing out the shoddy basis of your argument

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                                                                                                        This guy doesn't have anything specific and look way too random.
                                                                                                        This is an example of character whose part of his face has been hidden and will turn important:
                                                                                                        http://i.imgur.com/Bskiz5x.png

                                                                                                        Because it is easily recognizable for the reader.

                                                                                                        Seriously?

                                                                                                        It's like you're just making up rules about how One Piece should present its elements. And then keeps changing them a la Calvinball.

                                                                                                        "B-but he looks random!" What the hell is that supposed to mean? Because a guy whose only notably characteristic is a bowler hat isn't random?

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