Ussop is a cannoneer, Zoro is the first mate, what is a shield supposed to be?
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Ussop is a cannoneer, Zoro is the first mate, what is a shield supposed to be?
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Roronoa_Zoro
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Usopp
look at the occupation part below the pictures
I put Luffy's first as an example before Zoro and Ussop.Ah, I forgot…and Robin is the archeologist of the crew
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why…............?
I dreamed I was a butterfly, flitting around in the sky; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a man who dreamt of being a butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming that I am a man?
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why…............?
You used Opwiki to claim some positions that you should know by fact and have seen the characters do it throughout the serie
Ie: Usopp main position Sniper and everything related to shooting 2nd position: Botanist
Zoro main position swordsman 2nd position: vice captain
Robin main position Archaeologist 2nd position fighter (It shouldn't be considered a position since every character is a fighter)Having somebody like Bartolomeo in the crew can be fun, but creating a case about him where the only thing you base his character joining is his devil Fruit (Shield) is kinda stupid because what he can do any strawhat can do it, which is block cannon ball or any attack that might be direct it to them or the ship
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Because u quoted wiki. Noone can quote wiki coz wiki is…. Unreeeeliaaaable.
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You used Opwiki to claim some positions that you should know by fact and have seen the characters do it throughout the serie
Ie: Usopp main position Sniper and everything related to shooting 2nd position: Botanist
Zoro main position swordsman 2nd position: vice captain
Robin main position Archaeologist 2nd position fighter (It shouldn't be considered a position since every character is a fighter)I knew it by watching.
I already said that Ussop is sniper and Zoro is a swordsman… but Schabrak somehow tried to correct me…
I just thought that maybe he/she needed some kind of source.(what did you think with yourself? that after reading 721 chapter, I don't know that Zoro is the Swordsman of the crew and needed to check it up!!!!!!!! seriously?????????????)
please do yourself this kindness...Don't assume things without the knowledge of it... :)))))))))))))))))
I can't stop laughing :)))))))))))
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You used Opwiki to claim some positions that you should know by fact and have seen the characters do it throughout the serie
Ie: Usopp main position Sniper and everything related to shooting 2nd position: Botanist
Zoro main position swordsman 2nd position: vice captain
Robin main position Archaeologist 2nd position fighter (It shouldn't be considered a position since every character is a fighter)Having somebody like Bartolomeo in the crew can be fun, but creating a case about him where the only thing you base his character joining is his devil Fruit (Shield) is kinda stupid because what he can do any strawhat can do it, which is block cannon ball or any attack that might be direct it to them or the ship
Zoro isn't vice-captain.
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Barto ate the barrier barrier fruit so this around should make it obvious he has better the defense than anyone is the crew.
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Bartolomeo
1. position: Shield
2. position: TrollSource: Kishido's wiki
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Why are you screaming around? Seriously I love Bart and he would be an awesome character and ability wise for me BUT
He won't join. If anything he will be an ally with his club.
And well first we have to see how he will like the true Luffy and not newspaper Luffy
DAFUQ are you talking about? Oda never showed that Bart likes Luffy cuz of what he's been reading in newspaper, Oda made it Obvious that Bart became Luffys fan immediately after lightening saved him from Buggy execution(exactly the time he screams I will be the pirate king), from there on Bart saw Luffy as the chosen one to lead the Era-
so Bart kept reading newspapers just to keep up with Luffy and his progression to becoming pirate king but he didn't hear anything about Luffy for 2 years so he set out himself to look for em. -
I knew it by watching.
I already said that Ussop is sniper and Zoro is a swordsman… but Schabrak somehow tried to correct me…
I just thought that maybe he/she needed some kind of source.(what did you think with yourself? that after reading 721 chapter, I don't know that Zoro is the Swordsman of the crew and needed to check it up!!!!!!!! seriously?????????????)
please do yourself this kindness...Don't assume things without the knowledge of it... :)))))))))))))))))
I can't stop laughing :)))))))))))
You know, I love when I tried to explain something without cursing or calling people by names but some people are just to stupid to understand reason that you have to make them look like morons in order for them to understand.
Zoro isn't vice-captain.
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Barto ate the barrier barrier fruit so this around should make it obvious he has better the defense than anyone is the crew.
Opinions.
Nobody is saying that the crew have better defense than Bartolomeo but adding Bartolomeo to the crew just because he can use some shields is a really stupid thought and those who know how the Strawhat crew are shouldn't even suggest such of thing, that's just stupid
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Bartolomeo
1. position: Shield
2. position: TrollSource: Kishido's wiki
All this position stuff is shit to me, Strawhats needs strong mates now, their opponents from here on out will be people like Dofla, top new world pirates affiliated with yonko's, Yonko's, Admirals and vice-Admirals etc and don't tell me Bart will be an ally cuz an ally doesn't sail by the side of allied ship, ally are people you call to help you out.. If a yonko or strong pirate crew attack Strawhats they have to fight them themselves not call for allies cuz before they get there fight is already over, so Strawhats needs strong people in their crew not allies. Allies are if your going to war you call them, if you want a place to be protected or attacked you call them.
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You know, I love when I tried to explain something without cursing or calling people by names but some people are just to stupid to understand reason that you have to make them look like morons in order for them to understand.
Opinions.
Nobody is saying that the crew have better defense than Bartolomeo but adding Bartolomeo to the crew just because he can use some shields is a really stupid thought and those who know how the Strawhat crew is shouldn't even suggest such of thing, that's just stupid
Never been stated anywhere in manga that Zoro is vice-captain.
And Bart should be joining the crew cuz he's strong, he turned a Rookie Vice-Admiral to fodder that the kind of people Luffy should start wanting in his crew(strong people) all position needed has been filled.
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Momo seems too Wano to be a Cabin boy, I don't think we'll see SH apprentices until Luffy and Co. are well in their thirties or forties.
Just take a hint from Roger and Rayleigh's first meeting, they were both young men, yet Roger didn't give up his hat or become PK til well in his forties or older.
Shanks and Buggy were probably toddlers when their Captain and First Mate met.
Except that Luffy and co was young when crew started and still young(Luffy 17yrs old) when he/they entered Grandline. While Roger has been showed or hinted entering Grandline when he was in his 30's or 40's.
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Never been stated anywhere in manga that Zoro is vice-captain.
And Bart should be joining the crew cuz he's strong, he turned a Rookie Vice-Admiral to fodder that the kind of people Luffy should start wanting in his crew(strong people) all position needed has been filled.
I already said it a few pages ago that the position part was done because Paradise was meant for that and now what they're going to recruit are allies and a strong fighter assuming Oda is going with the 11 characters and I see you're the type of people that want Luffy or one of the Strawhats to say that Zoro is the Vice Captain even though some characters have already said it or questioned it as to why he isn't the captain starting from Whiskey Peak
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I already said it a few pages ago that the position part was done because Paradise was meant for that and now what they're going to recruit are allies and a strong fighter assuming Oda is going with the 11 characters and I see you're the type of people that want Luffy or one of the Strawhats to say that Zoro is the Vice Captain even though some characters have already said it or questioned it as to why he isn't the captain starting from Whiskey Peak
This is not related to the thread, but roles such as 'captain', 'first mate', 'vice-captain' (as if that's a thing on ships … ?) etc are offices. In other words, no-one can be considered to be such unless they are stated in some way to be one. So for example, it is declared that Luffy is the ship's Captain, so he is. It is declared that Cabaji is Buggy's second mate, so he is.
You can argue all you want about how Zoro plays an unofficial 'second-in-command' type role, but he cannot be considered the Strawhats' Vice-Captain, because the office just doesn't exist in the crew.
And the most critical thing is that any such declaration would have to coem from a Strawhat or something. If somebody else says it, it just means they are assuming it is true? Like when people treat Zoro as the captain, such as at Arlong Park, that does not actually make Zoro the captain.
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You know, I love when I tried to explain something without cursing or calling people by names but some people are just to stupid to understand reason that you have to make them look like morons in order for them to understand.
you are being awfully rude now.
it's easy to resort to offensives when one is cornered and cannot answer properly…
I was just trying to have a fun conversation with a fellow fan ( now I'm really disappointed...it's a shame that I have to share the title such as one piece fan with likes of you)I get what you are saying... let me paraphrase it for you... you're actually saying if I can answer a question in a debate ,I'll be fine... but if challenged and failed to find an answer I would start cursing or swearing to the debater to make my point.
such a scene observed too often in elementary schools!
but remember this is no kindergarten...and you are not a child...grow up faster.I was hoping after reading one piece you could at least learn how to tolerate people's opinion.
there is a difference between calling an idea idiotic or the person who states that. and it's called civility.
shame.I dreamed I was a butterfly, flitting around in the sky; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a man who dreamt of being a butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming that I am a man?
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I already said it a few pages ago that the position part was done because Paradise was meant for that and now what they're going to recruit are allies and a strong fighter assuming Oda is going with the 11 characters and I see you're the type of people that want Luffy or one of the Strawhats to say that Zoro is the Vice Captain even though some characters have already said it or questioned it as to why he isn't the captain starting from Whiskey Peak
Actually Usopp has received the more "Vice- Captain" vibe followed by Nami than Zoro. Usopp told Luffy if anything happens to him he will be the captain which Luffy replied "yes", Usopp got the Strawhats their ship(in flashback it showed Roger getting first ship from Rayleigh), Usopp drew the Strawhats pirate flag etc. Zoro has been shown to be the more supporting and clear head character in the crew followed by Sanji.
Example: When everyone was blind they wanted Usopp back in crew, Zoro wasn't, everyone being blind that Luffy shouldn't fight Usopp, Zoro wasn't.
Zoro took Luffy pain, Zoro warned Luffy about them being in new world.
Vice- Captains are there to take charge and give commands to crew which we've never seen Zoro do.Anyways enough offtopic from me.
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What the fuck is a ship's shield?
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you are being awfully rude now.
it's easy to resort to offensives when one is cornered and cannot answer properly…
I was just trying to have a fun conversation with a fellow fan ( now I'm really disappointed...it's a shame that I have to share the title such as one piece fan with likes of you)I get what you are saying... let me paraphrase it for you... you're actually saying if I can answer a question in a debate ,I'll be fine... but if challenged and failed to find an answer I would start cursing or swearing to the debater to make my point.
such a scene observed too often in elementary schools!
but remember this is no kindergarten...and you are not a child...grow up faster.I was hoping after reading one piece you could at least learn how to tolerate people's opinion.
there is a difference between calling an idea idiotic or the person who states that. and it's called civility.
shame.HOW AM I BEING CORNERED EXACTLY? This is such an idiotic conversation that it doesn't even make sense, You must have been to an awful elementary school If that's how they act when they're discussing, dude get a hold of yourself, I wasn't cornered, I tolerate opinions depending on how those opinions are, If those opinions are as stupid as yours I'm gonna try to make you see that a pirate crew doesn't need such position (which I did) and If you keep talking the same crap even though more than one person tried to make you see the light then I'm going to call you names and curse just like most AP user in here would do.
PS: Welcome to AP mate, Ohh and you didn't get Jack shit of what I said or what what Schabrak meant in his comment
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Actually Usopp has received the more "Vice- Captain" vibe followed by Nami than Zoro. Usopp told Luffy if anything happens to him he will be the captain which Luffy replied "yes", Usopp got the Strawhats their ship(in flashback it showed Roger getting first ship from Rayleigh), Usopp drew the Strawhats pirate flag etc. Zoro has been shown to be the more supporting and clear head character in the crew followed by Sanji.
Example: When everyone was blind they wanted Usopp back in crew, Zoro wasn't, everyone being blind that Luffy shouldn't fight Usopp, Zoro wasn't.
Zoro took Luffy pain, Zoro warned Luffy about them being in new world.
Vice- Captains are there to take charge and give commands to crew which we've never seen Zoro do.Anyways enough offtopic from me.
I've heard about this Usopp thing but I don't remember seen the bolded area, so because Roger got his first ship from Rayleigh it means that the person who provides the first ship will be labeled as first-mate, Usopp drew it because he was the only one in the crew that knew how to draw, Isn't your Example saying the exact opposite of what you're trying to say, I mean in each one of those scene Zoro took command because the crew wasn't in a position where they can make a clear choice or could not make a choice at all to the point of risking his life in order to save his captain and crew's life and also we know by fact that Zoro is a laid back that only gets serious when is needed.
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If those opinions are as stupid as yours I'm gonna try to make you see that a pirate crew doesn't need such position (which I did) and If you keep talking the same crap even though more than one person tried to make you see the light then I'm going to call you names and curse just like any AP user in here would do.
I neither curse or call people names.
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So then…I am still leaning towards Leo at the moment because of is cultivating skills and stitch devil fruit. The applications it can be used for are bountiful.
So I wonder is this his devil fruit when they captured the fighting fish. He could of stitch the net and those 3 things stabbing the fish could be what he used to sew the net. You see he has 3 needles on his holster. He could be the fisher of the group.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/189201/one-piece_ch710_by_newerascan/8
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/181663/one-piece_ch713_by_mangarule/18
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So then…I am still leaning towards Leo at the moment because of is cultivating skills and stitch devil fruit. The applications it can be used for are bountiful.
So I wonder is this his devil fruit when they captured the fighting fish. He could of stitch the net and those 3 things stabbing the fish could be what he used to sew the net. You see he has 3 needles on his holster. He could be the fisher of the group.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/189201/one-piece_ch710_by_newerascan/8
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/08/24/o/read521816c7815d8/img000008.png
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/181663/one-piece_ch713_by_mangarule/18
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/07/09/o/read51dc2c1403f8b/img000018.png–--> Luffy and Usopp unofficially took that role, and we don't need a fisher in the SH
Anyone in SH could do that!
----> We don't need Leo for his cultivating skills, we already have Usopp
----> We don't need his stitch skills either because we already have Nami (ex: she fixed Luffy's hat)p/s: JUST MY OPINION!
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Zoro isn't vice-captain. Never been stated anywhere in manga that Zoro is vice-captain.
Vice-Captains are there to take charge and give commands to crew which we've never seen Zoro do.
You can argue all you want about how Zoro plays an unofficial 'second-in-command' type role, but […] the most critical thing is that any such declaration would have to come from a Strawhat or something. If somebody else says it, it just means they are assuming it is true?
Chapter 499, Page 15
Stephen has it as: "A second-in-command worth 120 million."
The word used: 2番手; The Second, The Number TwoIt's not entirely off-topic. It's mentioned in the Yellow Databook and chapter 499. The latter doesn't come from the crew, sure, but Oda wrote the line. Why would Oda write an informed dude making an assumption and never ever clear that assumption up? Also, DARK_RITUAL, your posts continue to impress me. How did you manage to pull some of the more defining moments for Zoro, like these two, and use them as evidence against him being a Vice-Captain like character…?
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–--> Luffy and Usopp unofficially took that role, and we don't need a fisher in the SH
Anyone in SH could do that!
----> We don't need Leo for his cultivating skills, we already have Usopp
----> We don't need his stitch skills either because we already have Nami (ex: she fixed Luffy's hat)p/s: JUST MY OPINION!
Yes yes, I know your opinion from last time. And I am stating mine.
-Luffy and Usopp wouldn't catch the amount of fish he could catch if he can make nets easily.
-And I stated that Usopp is not a pure botanist. Just a specialist of ONE type of plant.
-Nami stitch Luffy's hat…and then he messed it up the next panels...she is no tailor...has she been shown using her needle anywhere else in the manga?
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/47338/one-piece_ch22_by_manga-downloads/3Someone asked me to list different positions outside of botanist so I keep throwing out different suggestions to see if anyone else thinks they are plausible. In terms of next possible positions, no one seems to really focus on it. Everyone in the current SH crew has a position…be it official or not. I don't think whoever joins will just be a strong fighter and nothing else. This crew is really tight knit and specialized in what they provide the crew in and out of Thousand Sunny.
Possibles positions that I read or suggested:
! Jinbe: Helmsman, Seafighter, Fisher, Diplomat, Lifeguard, Boatswain
Monet: Lookout, Astronomer
Kinemon: Tailor
Momonuske: Cabin Boy
One Leg: Toy?
Rebecca: Diplomat
Bartolomeo: Shield/Guard
Violet: Dancer, Interrogator
Leo: Botanist, Surgeon, Tailor, Fisher, Sailmaker(just added by me…actually all these for Leo are from me)
! So what's left? Rigger, Barber, Chronicler, Janitor, Powder Monkey, Striker, Master-at-ArmsI was curious if that was actually Leo's power or just a net they have. Leo is there so possibly could be his power. Also shows how strong he is and that he may be capable of hanging within the SH crew strength wise.
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So yeah. Isn't Perona supposed to be in the Sunny or something?
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Yes yes, I know your opinion from last time. And I am stating mine.
-Luffy and Usopp wouldn't catch the amount of fish he could catch if he can make nets easily.
-And I stated that Usopp is not a pure botanist. Just a specialist of ONE type of plant.
-Nami stitch Luffy's hat…and then he messed it up the next panels...she is no tailor...has she been shown using her needle anywhere else in the manga?Hey have you somehow never noticed how…the ship positions...are
Foreshadowed and directly mentioned at least directly before landing on the island where the new crewmate is.
-NAVIGATOR: Luffy and Zoro get lost and are drifting nowhere.
-CHEF: Yosaku has scurvy and the incident highlights the lack of food savvy on the ship.
-DOCTOR: Nami becomes seriously ill. Also mentioned at earlier points as imporant position.
-SHIPWRIGHT: Merry Go taking damage every single arc since Drum. Damage not shown as going away. Usopp directly mentions his limited abilities with fixing. Declared as desired next position right after Skypiea.
-MUSICIAN: CONSTANTLY mentioned by Luffy whenever the topic of new crew is brought up. Since the very first volume of the series.With Zoro as the token first mate. That leaves Robin's position, which is an extremely special one tied into the overarching mega-plots of the series.
So let's see. Have the positions of "Fisherman", "Botanist", and "Tailor" been foreshadowed at all? In any way? At any point?
Ever mentioned by the crew? Ever shown as being needed? Have the pained limitations of Usopp, Nami, and the rest at those things ever been shown?
Was there a scene right before Dressrosa where one of those three issues was highlighted?The answer. To all of those. Is "No".
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Also, DARK_RITUAL, your posts continue to impress me. How did you manage to pull some of the more defining moments for Zoro, like these two, and use them as evidence against him being a Vice-Captain like character…?
Yeah whatever, but fact is Zoro is not Vice- Captain, the Strawhats have only captain no one is 2nd in command in the crew. When Luffy isn't there or when his there Nami takes command sometimes, when group is split it's split in a way Luffy takes command of one, Zoro of another and Sanji of another… Anyways prove me wrong by showing me where it was confirmed Zoro VC.. Oda said in SBS that he made sure that everyone knew Rayleigh was Rogers Vice captain, if Oda can do that why hasn't he made sure people know Zoro is VC? Are you one of those who also believe Marco is VC of WB pirates?
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Are we back to the yearly Zoro first mate debate just to turn later on back to Jinbe once again?
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Are we back to the yearly Zoro first mate debate just to turn later on back to Jinbe once again?
I just meant it like a sort of special relationship between the captain and his first comrade. Not the official position these yahoos mean.
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Does someone need a "position" to join the crew?
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Does someone need a "position" to join the crew?
Basically yes.
There's really only been one exception, and he (Usopp) has an important narrative function as the everyman.
So as an alternative to position someone would have to suggest a narrative or symbolic function for the crew.
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Ussop use to claim to be the Captain too, just wanted to point that out for anyone who seriously thinks he has a case.
Zoro may not be Vice Captain, but he sure the hell is First Mate. In the literal sense too, it doesn't need to be said and knocked dead, IT'S OBVIOUS.
Oda is not a clueless author, he puts it right in our faces for us to see, Roger met Ray-san similar to how Zoro and Luffy first met, coincidence?
Don't get me started on the Benn Beckmen parallels.
The comment Brennen posted from Urouge as well proves that at the very LEAST rivals and enemies see Zoro as Luffy's second in command, which
as we've seen in this series usually translates to First Mate, VC, Chief of Staff etc.I agree it's not in a official capacity by any means, but to pretend it's a "No way, not Zoro! " type of deal is kinda silly.
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@Monkey:
Basically yes.
There's really only been one exception, and he (Usopp) has an important narrative function as the everyman.
So as an alternative to position someone would have to suggest a narrative or symbolic function for the crew.
Like how Jimbei might symbolize the cross racial thing.I know what you mean and I think you know what I meant to ask.
I'm speaking about this point of the story, where all the crucial "positions" (real and for the sake of narrative) are taken. Isn't enough just to be there, helping and protecting the crew?
Do we really have to search for a specific job?
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Imo , what the position entails isn't really a big deal.
As long as it makes sense for the Adventure.
Something like a Tailor isn't needed, they're Pirates, they have treasure and buy or commandeer new clothes all the time.
I think the position of Helmsmen will fit someone like Jinbe, considering his dream doesn't necessarily pertain to any specific field.
Perhaps Activism , but would Oda add a position like Activist on the crew? Could be kind of a contemporary to Robin's Archeologist role.
I personally can't shake the Helmsmen feeling.
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1. Luffy is the captain of his own crew and wants to be Pirate King and more free than anyone
2. Zoro is the swordsman and dreams of being the best swordsman
3. Nami is the navigator and wants to complete a map of the world
4. Usopp is the sniper and wants to be the sniper king and a brave warrior.
5. Sanji is the cook and wants to find All Blue, a cooks paradise
6. Chopper is the doctor and wants to find the best medicine in the world
7. Robin is an archaeologist and wants to find the Rio Poneglyph
8. Franky is the shipwright and wants to travel the world on the ship he created
9. Brooke is the musician and wants to play the music of his dead friends for laboonEach of their jobs is directly related to their dream, and their dream is achievable by travelling with Luffy. So Jimbe and any other new nakama need a job and a dream that relates to that job.
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1. Luffy is the captain of his own crew and wants to be Pirate King and more free than anyone
2. Zoro is the swordsman and dreams of being the best swordsman
3. Nami is the navigator and wants to complete a map of the world
4. Usopp is the sniper and wants to be the sniper king and a brave warrior.
5. Sanji is the cook and wants to find All Blue, a cooks paradise
6. Chopper is the doctor and wants to find the best medicine in the world
7. Robin is an archaeologist and wants to find the Rio Poneglyph
8. Franky is the shipwright and wants to travel the world on the ship he created
9. Brooke is the musician and wants to play the music of his dead friends for laboonEach of their jobs is directly related to their dream, and their dream is achievable by travelling with Luffy. So Jimbe and any other new nakama need a job and a dream that relates to that job.
10. Jimbie helmsmen and want to take fishman island to the surface/peace between two races
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@Monkey:
Hey have you somehow never noticed how…the ship positions...are
Foreshadowed and directly mentioned at least directly before landing on the island where the new crewmate is.
-NAVIGATOR: Luffy and Zoro get lost and are drifting nowhere.
-CHEF: Yosaku has scurvy and the incident highlights the lack of food savvy on the ship.
-DOCTOR: Nami becomes seriously ill. Also mentioned at earlier points as imporant position.
-SHIPWRIGHT: Merry Go taking damage every single arc since Drum. Damage not shown as going away. Usopp directly mentions his limited abilities with fixing. Declared as desired next position right after Skypiea.
-MUSICIAN: CONSTANTLY mentioned by Luffy whenever the topic of new crew is brought up. Since the very first volume of the series.With Zoro as the token first mate. That leaves Robin's position, which is an extremely special one tied into the overarching mega-plots of the series.
So let's see. Have the positions of "Fisherman", "Botanist", and "Tailor" been foreshadowed at all? In any way? At any point?
Ever mentioned by the crew? Ever shown as being needed? Have the pained limitations of Usopp, Nami, and the rest at those things ever been shown?
Was there a scene right before Dressrosa where one of those three issues was highlighted?The answer. To all of those. Is "No".
And then, what does that tell you about there being a new crewmate on this island?I've noticed this thing you called "foreshadowing" throughout One Piece. Botanist has been shown to be a position with Montblanc Noland but botanist has not been foreshadowed for the Strawhats to have. Most believe Usopp has taken the role of botanist. I guess a botanist role would need a Robinesque treatment to be in the Strawhats for it specifically.
No particular position that I can think of has been foreshadowed that isn't filled. Only thing that I can think of being foreshadowed that relates to this arc is the bronze statue that Luffy wanted. So unless Kyros is the statue itself and not One Leg then no one has the build up as of yet.
I am just trying to talk about what positions will be filled with Jinbe and the next nakama. We have examples of other pirate crews and what we think others would fill if they were the next nakama. No one mentioned has enough proof to be called a surefire candidate…yet...if ever.
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^ The eater of the bronze bronze or statue statue fruit will join
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Ussop use to claim to be the Captain too, just wanted to point that out for anyone who seriously thinks he has a case.
Zoro may not be Vice Captain, but he sure the hell is First Mate. In the literal sense too, it doesn't need to be said and knocked dead, IT'S OBVIOUS.
Oda is not a clueless author, he puts it right in our faces for us to see, Roger met Ray-san similar to how Zoro and Luffy first met, coincidence?
Don't get me started on the Benn Beckmen parallels.
The comment Brennen posted from Urouge as well proves that at the very LEAST rivals and enemies see Zoro as Luffy's second in command, which
as we've seen in this series usually translates to First Mate, VC, Chief of Staff etc.I agree it's not in a official capacity by any means, but to pretend it's a "No way, not Zoro! " type of deal is kinda silly.
Still haven't proven anything true, Zoro has never been called by the crew or marines as a VC, unlike Rayliegh which Oda made sure everyone knew was VC of Roger. Marco has never been called VC but 1st division captain(meaning WB pirates don't have or do Vice -captain), I think this Odas message, every crew has their own way of ranking and doing things. Zoro has always been named as the swordsman of the Strawhats crew, fans are just making up the rest.
And please do start with Ben Beckam- is Ben the first mate or vice captain of Red hair pirates? If you say first mate then fail cuz Oda showed Shanks recruiting Yassop first the same way Luffy got Zoro and Roger got Rayleigh.
All I'm saying is- until Oda says so himself and give this people their position then we can't just assume- He show shanks recruiting Yassop first but treats Benn as the first mate and why is that?
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I will see if you can pass the secret TEST here, which is obvious to anyone who knows about one piece.Big MoM ate - 2012
CC for nakama.
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No one mentioned has enough proof to be called a surefire candidate…yet...if ever.
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And please do start with Ben Beckam- is Ben the first mate or vice captain of Red hair pirates? If you say first mate then fail cuz Oda showed Shanks recruiting Yassop first the same way Luffy got Zoro and Roger got Rayleigh.
All I'm saying is- until Oda says so himself and give this people their position then we can't just assume- He show shanks recruiting Yassop first but treats Benn as the first mate and why is that?
! http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/6wmAwCV4kV8/hqdefault.jpg I will see if you can pass the secret TEST here, which is obvious to anyone who knows about one piece.
faceplam Benn Beckmen IS the First Mate of the Red Hairs, Ive never seen him referred to as the Vice Captain, even if it all essentially falls into the same category.
LOL bro, just because Shanks is the only person shown on the boat from a back angle at that, doesn't mean Yassop joined first, you're making stuff up now to fit your argument.
Benn could of just as easily been chilling on that boat, just like the one Luffy and Zoro use to sail around in the first few chapters..
Delude yourself about it all you want man, I could care less.
Rayleigh's been paralleling Zoro since his intro, so Oda isn't doing the discussion any favors.
Have you ever considered Oda is saving an official declaration of Zoro as the First Mate for apart of his character development further down the line?
Like I said, Oda shouldn't have to hit the fact home that Zoro is Luffy's first mate, it's made obvious by dialogue, crew dynamics, and paralleling.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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faceplam Benn Beckmen IS the First Mate of the Red Hairs, Ive never seen him referred to as the Vice Captain, even if it all essentially falls into the same category.
LOL bro, just because Shanks is the only person shown on the boat from a back angle at that, doesn't mean Yassop joined first, you're making stuff up now to fit your argument.
Benn could of just as easily been chilling on that boat, just like the one Luffy and Zoro use to sail around in the first few chapters..
Delude yourself about it all you want man, I could care less.
Rayleigh's been paralleling Zoro since his intro, so Oda isn't doing the discussion any favors.
Have you ever considered Oda is saving an official declaration of Zoro as the First Mate for apart of his character development further down the line?
Like I said, Oda shouldn't have to hit the fact home that Zoro is Luffy's first mate, it's made obvious by dialogue, crew dynamics, and paralleling.
Well I don't know if you found the hidden sentence under my post above but I don't have time for this.
Zoro is first mate cuz he was the first to join obviously but his not the Vice captain of the Strawhat pirates, as far as we know the Strawhats have only-
Captain
Swordsman
Navigator
Sniper
Chef
Doctor
Archeologist/assassin
Shipwright and
Musician.
I don't care what you saying, if Oda didn't say such a thing then your words are just theory and not fact and yes I will wait till Oda declares him as the VC of SH pirates then your free to come back here and laugh all you want. Thanks!Big MoM ate - 2012
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Yea, okay, whatever you claim Bro.
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If you say first mate then fail cuz Oda showed Shanks recruiting Yassop first the same way Luffy got Zoro and Roger got Rayleigh.
All I'm saying is- until Oda says so himself and give this people their position then we can't just assume- He show shanks recruiting Yassop first but treats Benn as the first mate and why is that?
! http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/6wmAwCV4kV8/hqdefault.jpg I will see if you can pass the secret TEST here, which is obvious to anyone who knows about one piece.
Don't want to get into the first mate discussion, but wanted to clarify that Oda did not show Yassop being recruited. Anime is not canon. Chapter 25 is where Luffy tells Ussop that Yassop is part of Shank's crew and there is no flashback of recruitment there.
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Don't want to get into the first mate discussion, but wanted to clarify that Oda did not show Yassop being recruited. Anime is not canon. Chapter 25 is where Luffy tells Ussop that Yassop is part of Shank's crew and there is no flashback of recruitment there.
It's from chapter 0, after Roger's execution…
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It's from chapter 0, after Roger's execution…
I was like "what the hell is he talking about". But sure enough.
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Man I forgot we also saw the previous king of Drum too, Wapol's dad.
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@Monkey:
I was like "what the hell is he talking about". But sure enough.
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Man I forgot we also saw the previous king of Drum too, Wapol's dad.
Well, most sites didn't have that chapter, even mangapanda…
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Congratulations, you understand.
…Thanks?...though I'm sure you are only joking.
We are all just adding our opinions with deductive and inductive reasoning. Of course some of us guess with nothing more than the feelings One Piece gives us. Some are better than others at guessitmating what Oda will write next from understanding and remembering the history. I'll try to bring the fun and the facts...gonna take some time though. Sorry until then.
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So, the first mate is the first guy to join the crew? Not a term for the Right-Hand-Man, a.k.a Vice Captain?
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So, the first mate is the first guy to join the crew? Not a term for the Right-Hand-Man, a.k.a Vice Captain?
The ship's officers are ranked according to their seniority. Below the captain is the "first mate", who takes over if the captain is unavailable. Following them are the "second mate", "third mate", and so on.
So the "first mate" (aka first officer) would be synonymous with the "vice captain".
