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Why would there be no marines if the WG falls. I would think that they wouldn't be the same as they currently are, but there's still all sorts of dangerous and powerful characters in the one piece world who harm civilians.
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Just no, just no man.
Coby isn't going to be admiral until the very end and thats if he does,neither does he have better haki than Sanji or Zoro ( Can you prove it?)
As for Bellamy being a strawhat it aint happening as I said before hes fodder material he got knocked down by Dellinger, who seemingly is on the weaker side of Doflamingo's crew. He's too weak to join.Can you prove Coby won't be admiral level until the end? Because there is real evidence to both sides of that argument. All I can say is that if he doesn't have better haki then them (I think it will be Luffy level haki) then he 100% has haki on there level. No questions about it.
Also Bellamy isn't fodder. He made it till the end of his block without a scratch. Lasted against Barts barrier for a while. And then he got around it and Bart couldn't get him off. And then in his conversation with Luffy it was revealed that he has Haki.
And on the Dellinger thing Bellamy didn't even fight back because he was so distraught as can be seen when Bartolomeo came to save him as Bellamy was just letting Dellinger kick him. He's not fodder. Stop letting your hate for a him get in the way of Odas writing. -
As much as I'd like to see it, I don't think Coby will be an Admiral or on Admiral level before the story ends and fight on par with Luffy. He's like the first representative of all the people the future Pirate King 'inspired' to not be afraid and pursue their dreams, but will be a fair way off off the strongest guys before the epilogue.
With that said, being a Coby fanboy myself, my dream scenario would be: In the final war, the marine ideologically split into two opposing parties, Coby will be the one to fight and beat Akainu. (Which would require him to be on his level, which is crazy talks, which won't happen. But a man can have his stupid dreams.)I think the only way that could happen was if Coby and Luffy fought Akainu together but I guess that's still pretty unlikely. It would be interesting though
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@Toraish:
Current WG falling means no Marines? Light Bro, have you not been reading any of the discussions about the endgame that we've been having for the last… six months, pretty much? And more importantly, have you not read any of the senior-made posts on the last five pages of this thread? :V
Uh… Sorry but I don't see how what I said contradicted any of that. :wassat:
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"senior-made posts"this is the exact bullshit im talking about in this page.you guys act dumb even if the guy's point is obvious…when akainu and WG is taken down, it would have "no promotions" since theyre starting a new one. and maybe coby will be one of the admirals appointed because he is growing so fast.and zoro and sanji got better CoO haki than coby? please. stop acting dumb....even the doctor who examined coby said his observation haki is special. and what? luffy fought a CoO expert so its he can beat any CoO expert with eyes closed?thats the reason why he almost shit his pants when he rayleigh's capabilities, and he is getting caught by even by hody jones, so much for luffy having a high CoO.as i said, coby's CoO alone might be a big problem for luffy. luffy got perhaps above average CoA and kings haki but no one can dispute that luffy got average CoO skills. the bullshit and kissing ass in this page is unbearable. good god.
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The truth is we don't know a thing about Luffy's haki compared to Coby's haki, CoO I mean. We haven't even seen Coby after ts.
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"senior-made posts"this is the exact bullshit im talking about in this page.you guys act dumb even if the guy's point is obvious…when akainu and WG is taken down, it would have "no promotions" since theyre starting a new one.
Who said they were starting a new one? It would be under new management.
Even if they DID start a new one why wouldn't there be similar or identical ranks? That would need filling? And that would be filled by the strongest leaders of the winning side in the civil war? IE by that point probably Smoker? -
@Toraish:
And more importantly, have you not read any of the senior-made posts on the last five pages of this thread? :V
LOL Dryish abort abort.
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"senior-made posts"this is the exact bullshit im talking about in this page.you guys act dumb even if the guy's point is obvious…when akainu and WG is taken down, it would have "no promotions" since theyre starting a new one. and maybe coby will be one of the admirals appointed because he is growing so fast.and zoro and sanji got better CoO haki than coby? please. stop acting dumb....even the doctor who examined coby said his observation haki is special. and what? luffy fought a CoO expert so its he can beat any CoO expert with eyes closed?thats the reason why he almost shit his pants when he rayleigh's capabilities, and he is getting caught by even by hody jones, so much for luffy having a high CoO.as i said, coby's CoO alone might be a big problem for luffy. luffy got perhaps above average CoA and kings haki but no one can dispute that luffy got average CoO skills. the bullshit and kissing ass in this page is unbearable. good god.
This is going to go nowhere if you keep feeling persecuted. Maybe you should take a break and re-evaluate what exactly you want the intent behind your posts to be.
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Even if they DID start a new one why wouldn't there be similar or identical ranks? That would need filling? And that would be filled by the strongest leaders of the winning side in the civil war? IE by that point probably Smoker?
That's exactly what I said! Nothing stops Dragon just re-creating the Marines once the Government is out of the way.
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im in no point insisting about my theory, coz im so done trying to discuss with you motherfuckers, there are other way more respectful and "willing to listen to an idea" guys out there in forums that are not populated with monopolizing, wannabe geniuses like you are. you know-it-all bromancers got each other's back so much you almost formed a conga line.this is a "theory forum" and no matter if you agree or disagree or whether that guy is wrong or right (because were all fucking guessing here), give him a chance to throw his idea…especially if they spent time thinking and writing it all off just to share it with you motherfuckers. have some respect to other people's opinion, and its obvious you guys dont have that, you are driving new members away and all that's left here are you motherfuckers running out of things to discuss because a small group of assholes needs to be on the fuckin same page every damn time shooting anyone who got different opinion.
screw this page.
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Uh… Sorry but I don't see how what I said contradicted any of that. :wassat:
The Marines will never be abolished as an organization, which is pretty much what you said. The entire world would be engulfed in a huge chaos the minute that decision reached the ears of the normal people, and it would hurt the legitimacy of the whole institution so much that even if the "old Marines" would "fall" and the New Marines would come to replace almost immediately they would lose a lot of credibility around the world when it's already very low to begin with. The upcoming war won't be about destroying the World Government or the Marines, it's going to be about changing their cores in a way that ends the current status quo of oppression and restricted freedom.
So, uh, even if you only tried to make a point about the old Marine leaders falling and Smoker being instated as the new head, your post was inadvertently alluding at the whole Marine organization being torn apart which is not going to happen.
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LOL Dryish abort abort.
I totally forgot beck was still in this thread crying foul and seeing monsters where there are none, lol.
There have been good posts by people who aren't seniors, it's just easier to narrow it down to that because our seniors are usually the ones who have been rummaging through this stuff the most and have the most complete picture of what works and what doesn't. I apologize if that deliberate omission has hurt people's feelings, as it was purely for convenience's sake.
And beck, stop being unreasonable.
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In a flash of inspiration, I suggest the thread be renamed "Swirling Madness! The next Strawhat Crewmate vol 6"
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smoker is the guy who slowly sees that the strawhats and marines are not black and white
Isn't that Tashigi? Smoker was always shown as a guy who follows his own justice unlike the other non-Admirals marines.
What is Oden saying to WB?
Become my son Whitebeard.
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This thread is seriously a train wreck…
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@Toraish:
The upcoming war won't be about destroying the World Government or the Marines, it's going to be about changing their cores in a way ends the current status quo of oppression and restricted freedom.
So instead of destroying the Government like I thought, Dragon will just coup d'etat the Nobles and Gorosei and give the power to council?
…Yeah maybe that would work better. Silly me!
I never said anything about Smoker tough! All I said was that Coby's dream being realized deserves more spotlight than a small mention in epilogue. I don't care how it happens! As long as not like that!
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@Toraish:
And more importantly, have you not read any of the senior-made posts on the last five pages of this thread?
Yup it's a defined rank. It's what we use to value the posts people make.
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"senior-made posts"this is the exact bullshit im talking about in this page.you guys act dumb even if the guy's point is obvious…when akainu and WG is taken down, it would have "no promotions" since theyre starting a new one. and maybe coby will be one of the admirals appointed because he is growing so fast.and zoro and sanji got better CoO haki than coby? please. stop acting dumb....even the doctor who examined coby said his observation haki is special. and what? luffy fought a CoO expert so its he can beat any CoO expert with eyes closed?thats the reason why he almost shit his pants when he rayleigh's capabilities, and he is getting caught by even by hody jones, so much for luffy having a high CoO.as i said, coby's CoO alone might be a big problem for luffy. luffy got perhaps above average CoA and kings haki but no one can dispute that luffy got average CoO skills. the bullshit and kissing ass in this page is unbearable. good god.
You seems to be pretty pissed about the forum lately. You should try taking a break for a moment.
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…I think that everyone is probably tired of talking about Smoker. So I have another stupid question for all you knowledgeable senior people.
The word "nakama" has got a strange connotation in some segments of the English-speaking fandom. People assume it means "people with a connection closer than family", or something like that. It actually means "comrade" or "companion"; in One Piece it is often best translated as "crewmate". Despite this the myth persists that it is a fancy super-special word.
So here is my dumb question. Maybe nobody knows the answer. In the original, untranslated Japanese, has Luffy ever used the word "nakama" for characters who are NOT a part of his crew (besides Vivi and Jinbe, I guess)? Did he ever use it for, I dunno, Bentham, Ivankov, Coby, Hancock, Camie, etc? Or does Luffy only refer to people as his "nakama" if he considers them crewmate material?
Much props if anyone knows the answer to this. I only own a bit of One Piece in Japanese, otherwise I'd check myself.
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these motherufuckers keeps on being bias assholes they are, now you guys are using power levels for your argument that coby got no parallelism to garp?
and these are the same bunch of know-it-alls who shoots down my theory because im supposedly "using power levels to justify that smoker is getting weak and coby getting up there with luffy."
just admit it that your argument "smoker is luffy's garp" is totally unproven and people could make case for coby as well.
you know this forum is fucked up when someone is even fuckin asking if "is it ok to give my my own ideas here? coz it seems that i need to be on the same page as your know-it-all asses"
oh, and robzilla, your "these should be followed to determine new nakama"–--half of these wont come out until either luffy invited them or that actually joined the crew. you guys just admit that you dont other people's opinion and you shoot down everything if you dont personally like it. so much for this being called a "theory forum"
the point is smoker is going down in competitiveness with luffy and could be possibly be replaced by coby soon, the last time luffy punched coby in marineford, coby havent awakened his CoO that time, coby's CoO alone could be a threat to luffy, do you guys realize that if coby's CoO grow too strong, luffy might not even hit him next time because luffy's observation haki is pretty average?
and with him backed up garp, coby can have the leniency that smoker doesnt have (which might pretty be stuck at G5 for now,) in terms of pursuing luffy.
youre genius asses never thought that smoker might have been a decoy to slowly put coby as luffy's garp? and maybe smoker's main point before is just to introduce a logia? (not that, its the whole character of smoker, of course smoker is the guy who slowly sees that the strawhats and marines are not black and white----just to be specific because your nitpicking asses like to find the singlest holes to pull your neverending, redundant, paraphrased arguments)
of course you guys will still gang up on anything like a group of jurors acting all right and stuff. go ahead, make a joke out of me, thats your whole point of "theory discussion"
I never said these were the be all and end all rules for being a nakama.
I was filling in a new guy on the general paradigm that fits for a new nakama, really it's more useful for excluding potential NN candidates rather than validating them.
See that? You disagreed with something I said and I didn't break down and start whining like a gutted llama, try it some time.
You really should sit out the next couple of plays, champ.
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Despite this the myth persists that it is a fancy super-special word.
Thats because some fansub groups never translated the term and it percolated around teh internets as super special and now its impossible to dismiss.
So here is my dumb question. Maybe nobody knows the answer. In the original, untranslated Japanese, has Luffy ever used the word "nakama" for characters who are NOT a part of his crew (besides Vivi and Jinbe, I guess)? Did he ever use it for, I dunno, Bentham, Ivankov, Coby, Hancock, Camie, etc? Or does Luffy only refer to people as his "nakama" if he considers them crewmate material?
Much props if anyone knows the answer to this. I only own a bit of One Piece in Japanese, otherwise I'd check myself.
Nope. I forget the exact words used, but it was a point that was brought up last time Bon was around, that Luffy specifically called him something other than nakama. And he's been the closest bet by a mile, so…
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Well there's a few things that point to being a NN candidate;
- Not being too similar to the current SH's, the crew is pretty diverse
- Having a dream that can be achieved by travelling with the crew
- Some kind of tragic backstory
- Some kind of unique ability pertaining to a a profession
- Positive interaction with the crew, although it doesn't have to be immediate
These are just general guidelines though.
The vast majority of characters can be ruled out almost immediately by a combination of these factors.
I never said these were the be all and end all rules for being a nakama.
I was filling in a new guy on the general paradigm that fits for a new nakama, really it's more useful for excluding potential NN candidates rather than validating them.
See that? You disagreed with something I said and I didn't break down and start whining like a gutted llama, try it some time.
You really should sit out the next couple of plays, champ.
I think it is a good outline. It covers all current crewmates and Jimbe will fit right in when his story is finally told filling in the blanks we need.
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I think it is a good outline. It covers all current crewmates and Jimbe will fit right in when his story is finally told filling in the blanks we need.
Why thank you, good sir.
I think it's certainly vague and generic enough to cover all the current and possible future SH's lol.
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You think we will get to see new crewmates for the supernova or some recruitment?
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You think we will get to see new crewmates for the supernova or some recruitment?
I guess only for Law and Kid, who have actual, recognizable crewmembers.
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I love when people post things with absolute certainty on a predictions thread.
"Coby WILL be an admiral by the end of the series!"
"Coby WILL NEVER be an admiral!"Anything can happen in One Piece guys.
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"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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This has to be the biggest myth about One Piece.
Oda is so methodical it's not even a joke.
I can see instances of Oda being methodical but there have been a lot of predictions made by fans that have turned out to be extremely wrong.
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Anything can happen in One Piece guys.
This is the most wrong thing you can possibly say.
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I can see instances of Oda being methodical but there have been a lot of predictions made by fans that have turned out to be extremely wrong.
Oda literally compared writing stories to playing tetris. He's not an abstract expressionist lol.
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Anything can happen in One Piece guys.
Nope. That's an often repeated lie, and it really shouldn't get so much traction. The storytelling structure is extremely solid.
The story can have surprises in terms of new characters and their random-ish designs, how the actual action of a scene goes down, or a piece of information that Oda hasn't given us yet… But when it comes to established characters? The actual story structure in terms of pacing, foreshadowing, what established characters can and will do, motifs, patterns, overall philosophy, and where the overall story is going are pretty observable and able to be predicted with a fair amount of accuracy by people paying attention.
I can see instances of Oda being methodical but there have been a lot of predictions made by fans that have turned out to be extremely wrong.
By that do you mean all fans… or the ones paying close attention? A lot of members of this board have a pretty good track record. Zephos nailed what One Piece and the great war were going to be all about like five years before Whitebeard declared it. Brennen gave a list of reasons Jinbe was likely to join the crew before he even appeared on camera. A very large chunk of the forum had explicit reasons for stating Sabo was alive the very same chapter he died, let alone weeks later when it was unofficially confirmed... though some folks didn't believe until a few chapters ago when he showed up in the flesh.
Yes, random fans going "Perona is going to join because I think she looks cool!" are constantly wrong... but that's because they're only guessing, and biasing their guess on personal opinion and nothing more... rather than what the actual story and author provide.
Random guesses aren't the same as analysis and reasoned theory.
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@RobbyBevard:
Nope. I forget the exact words used, but it was a point that was brought up last time Bon was around, that Luffy specifically called him something other than nakama. And he's been the closest bet by a mile, so…
Thank you! I should've known that this had already been looked into.
(For the record, I procured some raws: Camie and Bon-chan are both extensively referred to as a "tomodachi" (friend) by Luffy and/or the other Strawhats. That's as far as I got before things got boring.)
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Thank you! I should've known that this had already been looked into.
(For the record, I procured some raws: Camie and Bon-chan are both extensively referred to as a "tomodachi" (friend) by Luffy and/or the other Strawhats. That's as far as I got before things got boring.)
That's probably the word then.
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@RobbyBevard:
Nope. I forget the exact words used, but it was a point that was brought up last time Bon was around, that Luffy specifically called him something other than nakama. And he's been the closest bet by a mile, so…
question, do you think kinnemon and Momo will receive this title? I mean being one of those very few people Luffy calls nakama but isn't in the crew (I think only Vivi, Carue and Jinbei have been called it)
some people have called them the Vivi and Carue of the new world, you know the guys who will become honorary members? what's your opinion on this?
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@RobbyBevard:
Thats because some fansub groups never translated the term and it percolated around teh internets as super special and now its impossible to dismiss.
Are you happy Foolio!?
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question, do you think kinnemon and Momo will receive this title? I mean being one of those very few people Luffy calls nakama but isn't in the crew (I think only Vivi, Carue and Jinbei have been called it)
Remains to be seen. Honestly Luffy hasn't shown all that much interest or interaction with either of them yet, (aside from when Kinemon was JUST legs) but there's still (at least) one more arc to go with them.
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Lol so half of Kinemon has been called nakama but the other half not much. Shows Kinemon won't be fulltime but par-time
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So, uh, what do we make of this?
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Did Luffy call Law his nakama? I dunno, guys…
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So, uh, what do we make of this?
Luffy recognizing that getting the Mera Mera no mi is less important then helping Law and the rest of his crew fight the DD pirates? It was a nice and subtle bit of character development for Luffy. Not that it mattered with Deus Ex Sabo showing up later to tag him out though.
EDIT: Oh sorry, I thought that you meant something different. Still, its entirely possible he means the rest of his crew too rather than just Law.
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Today chapter just pratically confirmed that the strawhats will have a football team, since Blackbeard captains plus him makes 11.
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Today chapter just pratically confirmed that the strawhats will have a football team, since Blackbeard captains plus him makes 11.
That doesn't confirm anything.
Personally, I hope there won't be anymore crewmates, it's already hard enough to give each of them enough screen time.
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Of course it did.
The nega-strawhats having 11 members is all but straight up saying that their mirror opposites will have 11 members.
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The nega-strawhats having 11 members is all but straight up saying that their mirror opposites will have 11 members.
That's not what a confirmation is.
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Which is why he used the qualifier practically, meaning almost, nearly or virtually.
It's all but confirmed, the hints are in huge neon letters for all to see.
