! It's just impossible to deny , whether it's you thinking Smoker will join or Coby fans trying to force a story arc that certainly isn't in the cards for him.
! It's like denying the Rayleigh/Benn Beckmen/Zoro parallel.
! Hell I bet when we finally meet Scopper he'll have a few similarities to Sanji, even if he's just being another extreme pervert.
! This doesn't mean they're the exact same characters or that their lives will play out exactly the same as the past, but Oda does love to allude to similarities .
i agree with you there, the problem is, in garp's parallel part, you could make a case for coby. in those other crewmate of roger, there's just no other comparison except for those of crewmates of luffy. i dont get why monkey king, bevard and you always gang up on a theory when what youre saying "smoker is garp" is not at all absolutely true. you guys keep on using that argument and you complain when i use my argument over and over again…because coby and smoker can both make a claim as luffy's garp. so stop that angle.
! You have paid no attention at all to Jinbe, or the like, 4 years of discussion on him have you.
! Jinbe had about 20 qualifications for joining the crew before he even appeared on camera based purely on what other characters had said about him and that only intensified as he got more and more screen time and we saw more about him.
! Jinbe had a metric truckload of story and history and motivation to join before he even met the crew, and was rightly arguable for years by the people paying attention to story structure, author intent, and what he brought to the table in terms of diversity and story dynamics. He was likely almost immediately, and a lock once he started interacting with the crew… (Sanji and Nami in particular) all before Luffy officially invited him.
! If you personally find him "boring", that's your thing and thats an entirely different argument thats been held a hundred times. But he's definitely distinct from the other crewmembers in a huge number of ways. Smoker, aside from being a major antagonist force for the last 13 years and 630 chapters, pretty much shares an identical personality, and even a similar design, to Zoro. While his story motivations and role are... pretty blatantly set at this point and always have been.
! Jinbe (who was always a pirate) actively protested Marineford because he believed the government was doing wrong to try and trap a positive force like Whitebeard. Smoker helped get Ace killed because he believed in the Marines.
! He may become dissillusioned with the guys currently in charge, but he's not going to stray at this point.
about 20 qualifications? metric truckload of story, history and motivation to join? bringing to the table in terms of diversity and story dynamics? i gave it all way before for smoker but you guys just like to nitpick what you like and dont like, and dont even try to bring up brennen's jinbe theory because there are lots of guys who didnt believed at first…youre just using that because it came true and because luffy now invited jinbe...jinbe is on lock and you accepted that at once? stop it dude. cmon.
! Because you're writing 3 page long rambles that no one is paying attention to anymore because your point has been destroyed repeatedly now, but you just brush off the posters who are right by going "la la la, I'm not listening, I don't need to counter your point because I don't want to talk to you." and instead just keep repeating the same crap over and over, so all people are seeing at this point is "Smoker smoker smoker" from you.
! It pretty much destroys your case when you're just bashing your head against the wall with the same argument repeatedly rather than actually discussing anything or providing anything new or even considering what the other people have to say.
! Generally, when every single person around you is saying you're wrong, or even just repeatedly misunderstanding what you think your point is, then you're probably doing something wrong.
im writing 3 page long rambles? hell, monkey was the one who started on nitpicking every sentence i said with a reply and made it long so i needed to answer him with same amount of replies…jesus christ, you sound so bias.
and no one's paying attention because it had been destroyed over and over? with what? with the unsure argument that smoker is luffy's garp?...i kept on saying that argument is not yet proven and im the one ignoring it?...and yeah, i dont like talking to certain guys because of being rude pricks and being bias like you and monkey king.
you guys never give chance to theory posters here to discuss their theories respectfully because you two are always shooting down, insulting and flooding this forum with your know-it-all attitudes. ban me or whatever, but its real talk, its people like monkey king and you who kills the fun on this forum.
and to monkey king since your buddy here, hates that i write "3 pages long of rambles" then ill just try to make it short.
zoro and smoker dont even share the same design now, and personality wise, zoro just rushes ahead, smoker plans things ahead, with that, i meant that eventhough he is aggressive, he think things through....before he pursued luffy at loguetown, he had the mind to ready an ambush team. in alabasta, he traced luffy by deducting a call from denden mushi, at punk hazard he read the situation before going in an island, figuring out the secret passage and the poison gas...so on and so forth. zoro just goes ahead without any thought. if zoro was fighting against vergo, he would not have thought to just get the heart for law and endlessly try to overpower vergo. there are other differences within their personalities if you look at it.
never did i implied that aokiji is happy to work with blackbeard, but my point is, if aokiji joins a bad pirate crew in order to do what he wants (in order to change the WG)...then its more possible for smoker when he leaves the marines to join a pirate crew who he knows are good guys.
all smoker did was to transfer to G5, aokiji roams everywhere...come back to me when smoker follows luffy outside of G5 without an order. smoker said himself that his ranking prevents him from following luffy. (i wont give the page to you, find it yourself, its the aftermath of enies lobby iirc)
you know a lot about tropes, congratulations, have a cookie. still, you and bevard said tropes are not applied all the time, so its irrelevant.
what the fuck you mean adventuring? and bevard was talking about me talking about things over and over? the fuck you guys' problem are...you guys are too fucking bias you hate anyone who have a different theories than you...i never said anything about adventuring. I FUCKIN SAID freedom of doing what they fuckin wanted to do. adventuring just comes after they jumped at the ship. goddamit do i have to explain every single fuckin thing to you guys? also, if you dont know the page where smoker let the strawhats escape screw that, im fuckin sick and tired of this.
you know what, fuck this. all the other questions are just paraphrased same arguments i need to answer. you guys dont fucking accept anything until luffy actually invites someone...so screw it, im totally done. smfh. i tried discussing here again but these kind of fuckers kill the fun of discussing something.
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to the other forumers, im sorry and thank you for the discussion. you guys are all cool. im done here.