I'm not trying to oppose you, I'm trying to enlighten you. You can claim whatever you what, I don't care; that is, as long as you have a decent understanding of what exactly you're predicting.
Since you don't seem to want to answer my question, I can't really gauge the extent of your existing comprehension, but let's try again. What do you think Smoker represents in the story? How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew? What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals?
ok, as i said, i have no problems discussing it…i might be wrong, its ok...i didnt understand your question earlier and it seemed to me that with your question earlier, i will be forced to make a fanboy story of what i wanted to happen (believe, i would love too give that LOL, i just dont think its proper because i want to base everything on things that already happened)
this question is better and ill try to answer it the best i can:
1.What do you think Smoker represents in the story? i think smoker represents the character that is struggling to know what is the true justice,a man who is on the verge of making a big decision of what he really wants–-who sticks to his affiliation, but deep inside wants to follow his heart and desire for freedom, to pursue his own justice.
at first he is this stubborn marine captain who got a black and white (pirates are bad, marines are good) perception...he met luffy and bit by bit, he sees that its not so, he is being helped by pirates, he helped pirates, he cooperated with pirates....he got a fake promotion, he saw cover-ups in kidnapping, drug dealing, the corruption in the marines, his close friend became a vagabond, literally urging him to look more outside than the box of WG.
his loyalty with the marines is there, but he follows his own justice, he doesnt really listen to orders and he hates guys who hurts his nakama. he is basically on the verge on deciding to follow his loyalty or his justice.
every strawhat got something held onto because of pride, nami's refusal to have friends, zoro's refusal to work for someone, sanji's refusal to leave zeff etc....every strawhat holds on to something before they met luffy because they are struggling to decide, when what they really wanted all along was freedom to pursue what they wanted.
so for me, smoker represents a pirate trapped in the enemy's side.
2. How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew?
the only thing that needs to change is smoker's affiliation, which im confident will change because of the corruption he is seeing everytime he is involved in an arc, his morals and attitude are pretty much strawhat-like.
so nothing would be compromised, maybe he needs to give up chasing luffy or not, you know, i cant say much about that, he can like, join the crew thinking that luffy cant go far this time and just find the right opening to catch luffy–--but you know, if he rides that sunny-go he would be pretty much converted into "ill ride this ship to catch you" to "goddamit this guy is good".
if you will say "smoker dont like to follow orders"....then perfect, luffy never acted like a captain anyways...
or you will say, "smoker wants to change the marines"...then perfect, the key to changing the WG is in the sunny-go----nico robin.
3.What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals? what will happen is that luffy will have a vegeta (you know what i mean) on board, one who will give an additional unique personality in the crew, given that, every dude in the current strawhat crew got no hidden agenda against luffy. much like sanji and zoro, kinemon and brook–-if kinemon is considered just on the fact that he would be like the partner of brook then i think its fair to give that persona to smoker as well.
and smoker would need to stop chasing luffy, which i think will be alright...since akainu might be luffy's greatest marine rival anyway, and both him and luffy got bad blood written all over it. akainu killed luffy's brother....which made smoker like a gag (not really a gag, but just sayin akainu's rivalry with luffy is way bigger)...or even if say "well smoker the friendlier marine rival of luffy".....there's still coby which is probably way more important than smoker....
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Except those are shallow meaningless powers that don't matter, and the Swiss guy is talking about personality which does matter.
We already have a humorless surly badass who frowns constantly..
and we got two perverts if youre talking about personality.
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are those can even called a justice?
and why can't Smoker have those traits as marines, the opposite group of the protagonist?
well, ok. if you cant get it then fine.
What corruption? the shicibukai? the group that disliked by every other marines?
fake promotions, covering up the good deeds made by pirates, covering up of kidnapping, covering up of drug dealing, child experimentation, insertion of an outsider in the marines.
He can't go to NW with his captain position? And aokiji's not leaving the marines because he want to…
He's vice admiral, of course he can… but tell me, what made you think that akainu will leave his office because of SHC?
this is just…man...sorry, this is a st---d question....
You really made them both as the worst character in One Piece
ok, thats how you see it.
last time i read, the baratie restaurant want to erase the shicibukai system.
really ? a childhood illustration?
that oda drew.
lol … not everyone that luffy helped will join, but a marines will? is this something like "sanji will be feared by the marines/wg" fanboyism?
stop generalizing, i didnt said anyone that luffy helped, i said strawhats was helped by luffy before they joined. LOL. your weak ass arguments dont really deserve a reply sorry….
So, why can't the chase to be a journey for both side? like we already see in the stories.
because they are dynamic characters.
Smoker made important decisions involving SHC in those 3 arcs he played, isn't that important enough?
do you want all things to develop ASAP? and here you are talking about bad storytelling.
dude, seriously, most of these arguments i dont even wanna answer…i respect it, but its pretty downright, i dont know...its like you just refuse to lose in a discussion...these are stupid ass, borderline sarcastic answers...