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    • knceng
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      @beck26:

      2. yeah, smoker and tashigi are for justice, which are eerily similar to strawhats' code of justice.

      What the… strawhat's code of justice? what's that?

      3. you guys cant deny that the way the story goes, smoker might definitely leave the marines (or get fired, or whatever)

      The last time he's mentioned, he's providing information to Akainu… the story's not went to that direction...

      4. and the only thing thats stopping smoker from doing what he wants (he is called the stray dog of the marines for crying out loud) is his association with the marines.

      And it'll kept that way, just like he choose to rank up his position only to keep him close to SHC, not leaving the marines…

      5. you cant deny that the only advantage he got over luffy is his logia intangability. we can even ASSUME that his chase over luffy is futile now, if there's someone who is worth chasing luffy its akainu.

      And why do you thing a fleet admiral will leave the base to chase a group of pirate?

      6. you cant deny that he see that strawhats are not the bad pirates he generalize every pirates with. and you cant refute that smoker is not a dynamic character. he is quite stubborn and adamant, but he shown that he can change if the need arises–-and if you tell smoker is not slowly changing his stance, youre all lying to yourselves.

      If that's a reason to join, why we're not seeing Garp or Coby in SHC?.

      7. you cannot refute that smoker can change something inside the marines, if aokiji, garp or sengoku cant do it, most probably he cant neither.

      Is that's mean the marines is an evil organization that need to be destroy/erase at the EoS?

      8. his childhood illustration shows him more as a problem child (like aokiji in his own illustration) i feel there's something more to him and there's a reason why he hated pirates (and come to think of it, almost every strawhats hated pirates before they saw how nice of a guy luffy was)

      Not a reason to join

      9. you cant deny that he ends up helping the strawhats every single time.

      He's not helping, he's paying back.

      10. give me reasons why you think blackbeard, akainu and the 4 yonkous will be defeated by luffy before smoker. because if you think smoker is that important, then prove it. i dont think he's gonna be chasing luffy until after the final war, more possibility is him and coby being rivals that time.

      Why Luffy have to defeat him? The chase could be to lead Smoker to a stage that need him to observe and make decision as a marine, so the story will not end up as "everything is about SHC" manga.

      11. speaking of importance, just because i said i think smoker wont play a vital role in the climax of the series doesnt mean he is not important at all, he would definitely be a supporting character. (you know what im talkin about by important players: luffy, akainu, gorosei, blackbeard, garp, sengoku, dragon)

      The dude have been playing for 4 arc, 3 of it as a main cast. He's important.

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        Film Z isn't canon.

        Even so, we know that there is a possibility that he could join Blackbeard for a while, so he isn't 100% beyond piracy. And he seems to have a bit of respect for Luffy.

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          @beck26:

          the thing is, i answered it and then it would go back to same argument. im tired of it. smoker is luffy's garp, smoker is luffy's garp, he can change things inside the marines, he is made to chase luffy…do you guys have any other new arguments? i mean, seriously. how can it be a hole or flaw if i answered it and their arguments are got holes as well? because their arguments are not even accurate.

          smoker is luffy's garp? cmon, as i said it could very well be coby.

          These are neat strawman arguments to make in lieu of actually responding to my post.

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            Why do people deny that Smoker is Luffy's Garp? I don't get it.

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              Because parallels are stupid.

              Garp is Garp and Smoker is Smoker.

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                @King:

                Because parallels are stupid.

                Garp is Garp and Smoker is Smoker.

                I don't care if parallels are stupid. The parallels are there even if you choose to deny it. That doesn't mean they are the same people.

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                  Why do people deny that Smoker is Luffy's Garp? I don't get it.

                  It depends what people mean by that.
                  If it's just a vague comparison it's fine.
                  But it's because so many people keep saying stupid things like "EVERYTHING WITH THEM WILL MIRROR GARP AND ROGER, SMOKER WILL CAPTURE LUFFY AND HE WILL BE EXECUTED".

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                    It depends what people mean by that.
                    If it's just a vague comparison it's fine.
                    But it's because so many people keep saying stupid things like "EVERYTHING WITH THEM WILL MIRROR GARP AND ROGER, SMOKER WILL CAPTURE LUFFY AND HE WILL BE EXECUTED".

                    Do people actually say that? Do I come here that rarely?

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                      @Monkey:

                      It depends what people mean by that.
                      If it's just a vague comparison it's fine.
                      But it's because so many people keep saying stupid things like "EVERYTHING WITH THEM WILL MIRROR GARP AND ROGER, SMOKER WILL CAPTURE LUFFY AND HE WILL BE EXECUTED".

                      I'm not a believer that Luffy's story will end up like Rogers and I maintain that they are their own people so i'm not like that. It just irks me when i see people trying to deny the similarities in characters just because they don't like parallels.

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                        I meant in childhood, cause what you said seemed like that. But never mind that post.

                        Btw if Smoker were to join, he'd be bad example for young marines and people. I think that's the same thing that stopped Garp to betray marines and save Ace.

                        sorry i misunderstood…its because of smoker's childhood illustration, i know its just a guess but im thinking that there's probably some deeper reason why smoker is too adamant that "pirates are all the same" and tashigi is so determined to "take all the swords from the bad guys". i suppose that merits some flashback sometime soon.

                        and also, i know its not in the manga...but if smoker was too much of a pirate hater, why did he looked like he admired roger when he was a child? i mean, you can disregard it but my point still stands....there should be some deep reason why tashigi and smoker have this black and white perspective on pirates like nami and coby before they met luffy.

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                          i think smoker said on some occassions that "pirates are all the same", and he influenced tashigi with it. but at the same time, even as stubborn as he is, he scolded G5 marines when they drew a line for "bad and evil". and hina mentioned that "he looks almost happy" when the strawhats got away in alabasta,…but yeah, its been perceived that smoker hates pirates, like nami and zoro.

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                          the thing is, i answered it and then it would go back to same argument. im tired of it. smoker is luffy's garp, smoker is luffy's garp, he can change things inside the marines, he is made to chase luffy...do you guys have any other new arguments? i mean, seriously. how can it be a hole or flaw if i answered it and their arguments are got holes as well? because their arguments are not even accurate.

                          smoker is luffy's garp? cmon, as i said it could very well be coby.

                          Nah, Smoker spent his free time tracking Luffy while Coby trains to capture bad guys and to change the marine. I think Coby fought Luffy at marinford to prove his will to accomplish his dream. But Smoker already tried 4 times to defeat Luffy only to take his head. Coby never stated that he wants to arrest Luffy (only that he will challenge him if he has to) but Smoker has been targeting Luffy since chapter 100!

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                            In anime it seemed like Smoker thought that modern pirates weren't real pirates like him anymore.
                            And also there is hint in manga too, that he liked Roger, because of the smile he remembered imo.

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                              In anime

                              Stop right there.

                              Disregard anything you inferred from that.

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                                Stop right there.

                                Disregard anything you inferred from that.

                                Did you read what I replied it to? 😁

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                                  What the… strawhat's code of justice? what's that?

                                  1. love for subordinates/nakama
                                  2. doing what you feel is right
                                  3. drive to get stronger
                                  4. not following to protocol orders

                                  The last time he's mentioned, he's providing information to Akainu… the story's not went to that direction...

                                  coz he is still loyal to the marines, but he saw the corruption and he's complaining about it since day one, he was being lectured by aokiji about doing more outside and seeing more outside than inside. aokiji was probably more loyal than smoker but he looks like he's now affiliated with blackbeard,…who are we to dispute than smoker wont do it? especially if he sees luffy is a good guy?

                                  please tell me it doesnt look like smoker is not going to leave the marines sooner or later.

                                  And it'll kept that way, just like he choose to rank up his position only to keep him close to SHC, not leaving the marines…

                                  aokiji went up until admiral then left the marines, whats your point? whats rank gotta do with it?

                                  And why do you thing a fleet admiral will leave the base to chase a group of pirate?

                                  ….you guys are the ones who keeps on saying that smoker will chase luffy until the series ends....

                                  If that's a reason to join, why we're not seeing Garp or Coby in SHC?.

                                  umm, because coby's dream is to be an admiral and garp just straight hate shanks?

                                  Is that's mean the marines is an evil organization that need to be destroy/erase at the EoS?

                                  marine is gonna be reconstructed by aokiji, smoker, garp, sengoku, coby whatever. the fact is no one can do shit while inside the WG system.

                                  Not a reason to join

                                  youre just guessing here like me.

                                  He's not helping, he's paying back.

                                  zoro, nami, sanji and other strawhats paid luffy back by joining him. (not saying everyone that luffy helped will join, but smoker fits on other criterias as well)

                                  Why Luffy have to defeat him? The chase could be to lead Smoker to a stage that need him to observe and make decision as a marine, so the story will not end up as "everything is about SHC" manga.

                                  still, luffy defeating smoker means the chase is over. i mean defeating smoker physically. its a much more possibility that akainu chases luffy. and not like smoker, akainu really wants to kill luffy.

                                  The dude have been playing for 4 arc, 3 of it as a main cast. He's important.

                                  now this is what i call going around in circles, you just dont get my point here.

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                                  Stop right there.

                                  Disregard anything you inferred from that.

                                  then please do. as i said my point still stands.

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                                  Nah, Smoker spent his free time tracking Luffy while Coby trains to capture bad guys and to change the marine. I think Coby fought Luffy at marinford to prove his will to accomplish his dream. But Smoker already tryed 4 times to defeat Luffy only to take his head. Coby never stated that he wants to arrest Luffy (only that he will challenge him if he has to) but Smoker has been targeting Luffy since chapter 100!

                                  coby said he will be an admiral and he will rival luffy. both of them accepted the fact that they are enemies and coby even slipped saying he will capture luffy. stop it.

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                                  @Monkey:

                                  These are neat strawman arguments to make in lieu of actually responding to my post.

                                  whatever. you just dont like other people's opinion, im done with you.

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                                  @Coby:

                                  I don't care if parallels are stupid. The parallels are there even if you choose to deny it. That doesn't mean they are the same people.

                                  there, see? it just goes back to same arguments coz they just dont care…its smoker = garp, not prove, kinda stupid...but yeah, my theory got holes in it even if i asnwered a thousand times...but their argument got holes in it and its ok.

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                                  I'm not a believer that Luffy's story will end up like Rogers and I maintain that they are their own people so i'm not like that. It just irks me when i see people trying to deny the similarities in characters just because they don't like parallels.

                                  and garp's parallel could very well be coby but you dont accept that.

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                                    coby said he will be an admiral and he will rival luffy. both of them accepted the fact that they are enemies and coby even slipped saying he will capture luffy. stop it.

                                    Yeah maybe my memories about this scene are not very clear. But chasing a pirate to the point of being considered as Luffy's Garp means that you already try to catch him several times. I doubt that Coby could catch up with Smoker right now.

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                                      Luffy isn't going to exactly mirror Roger, the entire point is he's going to exceed Roger and do what he couldn't. (Create a big war, break and then fix the corrupt government system.) Anyone insisting that exact parallels carry in terms of his enemies and allies is missing the point. The series is NOT going to end with Luffy captured and executed and inspiring the next generation with a final speech.

                                      Smoker isn't joining the strawhats. He might leave the Marines at the height of the Aikanu influenced corruption, but that won't be until endgame, and he'd still be reinstated after the fallout. He and Kuzan will both be allies, but they won't be crewmates.

                                      And anyone suggesting a former ADMIRAL join needs to seriously rethink their position. Sorry, but its a stupid thing to even speculate on.

                                      There's like, 8 guys in the entire world at Admiral level. Luffy will eventually be up there, but they aren't getting that kind of overpowering ridiculous force on their side full time, not until the last battle. (Even Jinbe is being held back to keep the crew strength a bit lower for the time being.)

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                                        Yeah maybe my memories about this scene are not very clear. But chasing a pirate to the point of being considered as Luffy's Garp means that you already try to catch him several times. I doubt that Coby could catch up with Smoker right now.

                                        luffy's dream of being a pirate king rivals with coby's dream of being an admiral, they mutually agreed to being friends and enemies, they are the two person who are first introduced in the series, they might likely be the faces of new generation of pirate-marine after the series is done.

                                        their relationship is looking like garp-roger for me. plus coby is trained by garp.

                                        the only thing working for smoker in comparison to garp is because he currently chases luffy and him being vice admiral.

                                        but tell me who do you think have a deeper meaning of garp-roger aside from each other around, its luffy and coby… if im being honest, smoker is marine's version of luffy. and if i may say, gokou's vegeta.

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                                        Anyone insisting that exact parallels carry in terms of his enemies and allies is missing the point. The series is NOT going to end with Luffy captured and executed and inspiring the next generation with a final speech.

                                        exactly, its not about the chasing stuff, if you wanna parallel garp and roger to someone…its deeper than that, coz no way luffy suffers the same fate as roger....luffy and coby are the two person introduced in the series and they are the two person who would change pirates and marines relationship (respectively) and the world for better.

                                        couldnt you guys see it? roger and garp are almost friends, they didnt have the chance to show to anyone.

                                        luffy and coby have the same relationship, the difference is, they will exceed what roger and garp did, they will change the fuckin one piece world.

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                                        Smoker isn't joining the strawhats. He might leave the Marines at the height of the Aikanu influenced corruption, but that won't be until endgame, and he'd still be reinstated after the fallout. He and Kuzan will both be allies, but they won't be crewmates.

                                        again exactly, i think if ever smoker joins, he will be the last one, coz he wont leave the marines until like the final stretch of the series, yo, guys…im not saying it will happen ASAP...he will slowly (as in slowly) realize that his black and white perspective on pirates is not the accurate. which is just right coz of smoker's stubborn persona.

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                                        And also there is hint in manga too, that he liked Roger, because of the smile he remembered imo.

                                        exaaaaactly. in my opinion, smoker chasing luffy is more of "dammit, there's something with this guy, since im a marine i need to capture him." and "this is the first guy that ever escaped me, my pride wont allow it" and i think its somehow related to smoker's secret message to luffy that aokiji was supposed to say.

                                        unlike akainu's "luffy is dangerous, ill kill him"

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                                          Smoker indeed has special bond with Luffy, and might be really important ally of his. But not crewmember.

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                                            if im wrong then no biggie, this is just a theory…but like i said, smoker the best candidate since jinbe.

                                            jinbe was introduced in the arlong arc, developed in the marineford saga, then he was invited in the completion of fishman island arc.

                                            maybe oda is planning it all along, since the new world is the second of half of the series, so he probably wont have enough time to introduced and develop and fit a character in the crew, so he introduced and developed them at the very start of the series...jinbe and robin's quirks were just shown after they had been invited as well.

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                                              if im wrong then no biggie, this is just a theory…but like i said, smoker the best candidate since jinbe.

                                              He's not a candidate at all.

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                                                For smoker to ever become pirate, be it kind one or anything else (maybe only undercover, but I even doubt it) would be changing of his personality, views, character. Which isn't impossible, but neither good storytelling.

                                                There might be some characteristics changed because of reasons which explain it, but not whole character.

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                                                  He's not a candidate at all.

                                                  tumbleweeds ok.

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                                                    My god, people think Coby think that Luffy's Garp? xD

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                                                      For smoker to ever become pirate, be it kind one or anything else (maybe only undercover, but I even doubt it) would be changing of his personality, views, character. Which isn't impossible, but neither good storytelling.

                                                      There might be some characteristics changed because of reasons which explain it, but not whole character.

                                                      his personality and views are just fine. the only thing that needs to change is his him being a marine. at the very least its a mindfuck, not bad storytelling.

                                                      ceasar joining is the bad storytelling.

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                                                        My god, people think Coby think that Luffy's Garp? xD

                                                        There was a guy who said Coby would be the final fight Luffy has in the series, and that Luffy would lose to him.

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                                                          My god, people think Coby think that Luffy's Garp? xD

                                                          i cant do anything if you dont believe it, but dont force smoker as luffy's garp…because its not definite as well.

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                                                            There was a guy who said Coby would be the final fight Luffy has in the series, and that Luffy would lose to him.

                                                            I'm a Coby fanboy and I think he will fight equally with Luffy one day but final fight? Not even close? And Luffy loosing to him? Too much.

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                                                              i cant do anything if you dont believe it, but dont force smoker as luffy's garp…because its not definite as well.

                                                              Indeed but it is currently in progress, while Coby want to be an admiral (unlike Garp).
                                                              And the great friendship you describes between Garp and Roger is your own reading interpretation. As for me they were only respecting each other.

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                                                                i cant do anything if you dont believe it, but dont force smoker as luffy's garp…because its not definite as well.

                                                                i'm not forcing anything? It's been like this since Lougetown. But whatever. You just don't get it.

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                                                                  Indeed but it is currently in progress, while Coby want to be an admiral (unlike Garp).

                                                                  still, either smoker or coby is garp, it doesnt matter. oda never approved anything and both can make an argument for both.

                                                                  the smoker is garp argument is always being used just to dispute my theory…its not an absolute truth so my theory still stands.

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                                                                  i'm not forcing anything? It's been like this since Lougetown. But whatever. You just don't get it.

                                                                  i can make a case for coby…he agreed on rivaling luffy like, from the start.

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                                                                    It'd be cool if Cavendish were to become Luffy's ally/temporary crewmember and stay on Sunny for short time and slaughter most of SHs one night :ninja:

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                                                                      still, either smoker or coby is garp, it doesnt matter. oda never approved anything and both can make an argument for both.

                                                                      the smoker is garp argument is always being used just to dispute my theory…its not an absolute truth so my theory still stands.

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                                                                      i can make a case for coby...he agreed on rivaling luffy like, from the start.

                                                                      no you can't. The Coby relationship is entirely different. Coby was inspired by luffy and is looking to advance in the ranks so that he can make a difference. Smoker is literally chasing Luffy like Garp did. It isn't complicated.

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                                                                        It'd be cool if Cavendish were to become Luffy's ally/temporary crewmember and stay on Sunny and slaughter most of SHs one night :ninja:

                                                                        LOL. thats hilarious!!!!

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                                                                        no you can't. The Coby relationship is entirely different. Coby was inspired by luffy and is looking to advance in the ranks so that he can make a difference. Smoker is literally chasing Luffy like Garp did. It isn't complicated.

                                                                        see? lol ok, whatever makes you happy…its still not absolute truth though, so my theory still stands.

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                                                                          see? lol ok, whatever makes you happy…its still not absolute truth though, so my theory still stands.

                                                                          Do not forget that he probably thinks the same goes for you. Anyway you are right, your theory is not stupid or impossible, I just do not want to see it happens.

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                                                                            Do not forget that he probably thinks the same goes for you. Anyway you are right, your theory is not stupid or impossible, I just do not want to see it happens.

                                                                            i know its what he thinks, im not out to force everyone to believe it, thats why i dont really say this theory until someone asked about it…believe me, im tired on talking about it, since this is a theory discussion thread, i thought i just share it....and its cool if you dont want it to happen, to each his own! 🙂 we are cool dude, no worries 🙂

                                                                            if i can say it, i hated that wiper didnt join...but he never shown any criteria to be a strawhat.

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                                                                              I don't really think that a theory should be treated as legitimate just because it's not 100% disproven yet.

                                                                              If a theory is unlikely, and unsubstansiated then it's going to be thought of as the hail mary of theory crafting.

                                                                              To which one is of course free to say i still think it'll happen, but you probably won't convince to many other folks about it though.

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                                                                                I don't really think that a theory should be treated as legitimate just because it's not 100% disproven yet.

                                                                                If a theory is unlikely, and unsubstansiated then it's going to be thought of as the hail mary of theory crafting.

                                                                                To which one is of course free to say i still think it'll happen, but you probably won't convince to many other folks about it though.

                                                                                its no problem, i cant please everyone and everyone got their own theory, we just have to respect each other…i just dont like disrespectful assholes. youre not one of them...dont worry about it! 🙂

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                                                                                  i know its what he thinks, im not out to force everyone to believe it, thats why i dont really say this theory until someone asked about it…believe me, im tired on talking about it....and its cool if you dont want it to happen, to each his own! 🙂

                                                                                  if i can say it, i hated that wiper didnt join...but he never shown any criteria to be a strawhat.

                                                                                  Aaaaah Wiper! This chapter is one of the few(maybe the only one actualy) that makes me cry every time I read it.http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4899/one-piece_ch293_by_null
                                                                                  This guy is definitly in my top 10 characters

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                                                                                    Aaaaah Wiper! This chapter is one of the few that makes me cry every time I read.http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4899/one-piece_ch293_by_null

                                                                                    i love wiper bro, ill leave ussop and chopper behind to get wiper. LOL….the reject dial is the best thing that happened in skypiea for me.

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                                                                                      Even Binami is more likely to join the Strawhats than Smokie.

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                                                                                        Even Binami is more likely to join the Strawhats than Smokie.

                                                                                        oooooooowkei. goodluck then.

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                                                                                          again exactly, i think if ever smoker joins, he will be the last one, coz he wont leave the marines until like the final stretch of the series, yo, guys…im not saying it will happen ASAP...he will slowly (as in slowly) realize that his black and white perspective on pirates is not the accurate. which is just right coz of smoker's stubborn persona.

                                                                                          So, if Smoker were to join near the end the of series against the World Government, how exactly would it differ from simply allying with Strawhat? Well, beyond–in your own words--mindfucking everyone.

                                                                                          I already have an idea what it would do to Smoker's character, but I want to read it from you.

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                                                                                            they already have a smoker in the crew

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                                                                                              So, if Smoker were to join near the end the of series against the World Government, how exactly would it differ from simply allying with Strawhat? Well, beyond–in your own words--mindfucking everyone.

                                                                                              I already have an idea what it would do to Smoker's character, but I want to read it from you.

                                                                                              end of the series meaning, he is just the last recruit. its not that its like he will join on the last arc before one piece ends….

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                                                                                              they already have a smoker in the crew

                                                                                              its like you saying brook doesnt belong since there's a swordsman in the crew, or jinbe wont join coz sanji got the blue walk…

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                                                                                              I already have an idea what it would do to Smoker's character, but I want to read it from you.

                                                                                              please tell me that idea, maybe its a reasonable argument against my theory, im all for it.

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                                                                                                please tell me that idea, maybe its a reasonable argument against my theory, im all for it.

                                                                                                I'm not trying to oppose you, I'm trying to enlighten you. You can claim whatever you what, I don't care; that is, as long as you have a decent understanding of what exactly you're predicting.

                                                                                                Since you don't seem to want to answer my question, I can't really gauge the extent of your existing comprehension, but let's try again. What do you think Smoker represents in the story? How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew? What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals?

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                                                                                                  its like you saying brook doesnt belong since there's a swordsman in the crew, or jinbe wont join coz sanji got the blue walk…

                                                                                                  Except those are shallow meaningless powers that don't matter, and the Swiss guy is talking about personality which does matter.
                                                                                                  We already have a humorless surly badass who frowns constantly..

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                                                                                                      1. love for subordinates/nakama
                                                                                                      2. doing what you feel is right
                                                                                                      3. drive to get stronger
                                                                                                      4. not following to protocol orders

                                                                                                      are those can even called a justice?
                                                                                                      and why can't Smoker have those traits as marines, the opposite group of the protagonist?

                                                                                                      coz he is still loyal to the marines, but he saw the corruption and he's complaining about it since day one, he was being lectured by aokiji about doing more outside and seeing more outside than inside. aokiji was probably more loyal than smoker but he looks like he's now affiliated with blackbeard,…who are we to dispute than smoker wont do it? especially if he sees luffy is a good guy?

                                                                                                      What corruption? the shicibukai? the group that disliked by every other marines?

                                                                                                      please tell me it doesnt look like smoker is not going to leave the marines sooner or later.

                                                                                                      No, he's not.

                                                                                                      aokiji went up until admiral then left the marines, whats your point? whats rank gotta do with it?

                                                                                                      He can't go to NW with his captain position?
                                                                                                      And aokiji's not leaving the marines because he want to…

                                                                                                      ….you guys are the ones who keeps on saying that smoker will chase luffy until the series ends....

                                                                                                      He's vice admiral, of course he can… but tell me, what made you think that akainu will leave his office because of SHC?

                                                                                                      umm, because coby's dream is to be an admiral and garp just straight hate shanks?

                                                                                                      You really made them both as the worst character in One Piece

                                                                                                      marine is gonna be reconstructed by aokiji, smoker, garp, sengoku, coby whatever. the fact is no one can do shit while inside the WG system.

                                                                                                      last time i read, the baratie restaurant want to erase the shicibukai system.

                                                                                                      youre just guessing here like me.

                                                                                                      really ? a childhood illustration?

                                                                                                      zoro, nami, sanji and other strawhats paid luffy back by joining him. (not saying everyone that luffy helped will join, but smoker fits on other criterias as well)

                                                                                                      lol … not everyone that luffy helped will join, but a marines will? is this something like "sanji will be feared by the marines/wg" fanboyism?

                                                                                                      still, luffy defeating smoker means the chase is over. i mean defeating smoker physically. its a much more possibility that akainu chases luffy. and not like smoker, akainu really wants to kill luffy.

                                                                                                      So, why can't the chase to be a journey for both side? like we already see in the stories.

                                                                                                      now this is what i call going around in circles, you just dont get my point here.

                                                                                                      Smoker made important decisions involving SHC in those 3 arcs he played, isn't that important enough?

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                                                                                                        I'm not trying to oppose you, I'm trying to enlighten you. You can claim whatever you what, I don't care; that is, as long as you have a decent understanding of what exactly you're predicting.

                                                                                                        Since you don't seem to want to answer my question, I can't really gauge the extent of your existing comprehension, but let's try again. What do you think Smoker represents in the story? How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew? What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals?

                                                                                                        ok, as i said, i have no problems discussing it…i might be wrong, its ok...i didnt understand your question earlier and it seemed to me that with your question earlier, i will be forced to make a fanboy story of what i wanted to happen (believe, i would love too give that LOL, i just dont think its proper because i want to base everything on things that already happened)

                                                                                                        this question is better and ill try to answer it the best i can:

                                                                                                        1.What do you think Smoker represents in the story? i think smoker represents the character that is struggling to know what is the true justice,a man who is on the verge of making a big decision of what he really wants–-who sticks to his affiliation, but deep inside wants to follow his heart and desire for freedom, to pursue his own justice.

                                                                                                        at first he is this stubborn marine captain who got a black and white (pirates are bad, marines are good) perception...he met luffy and bit by bit, he sees that its not so, he is being helped by pirates, he helped pirates, he cooperated with pirates....he got a fake promotion, he saw cover-ups in kidnapping, drug dealing, the corruption in the marines, his close friend became a vagabond, literally urging him to look more outside than the box of WG.

                                                                                                        his loyalty with the marines is there, but he follows his own justice, he doesnt really listen to orders and he hates guys who hurts his nakama. he is basically on the verge on deciding to follow his loyalty or his justice.

                                                                                                        every strawhat got something held onto because of pride, nami's refusal to have friends, zoro's refusal to work for someone, sanji's refusal to leave zeff etc....every strawhat holds on to something before they met luffy because they are struggling to decide, when what they really wanted all along was freedom to pursue what they wanted.

                                                                                                        so for me, smoker represents a pirate trapped in the enemy's side.

                                                                                                        2. How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew?
                                                                                                        the only thing that needs to change is smoker's affiliation, which im confident will change because of the corruption he is seeing everytime he is involved in an arc, his morals and attitude are pretty much strawhat-like.

                                                                                                        so nothing would be compromised, maybe he needs to give up chasing luffy or not, you know, i cant say much about that, he can like, join the crew thinking that luffy cant go far this time and just find the right opening to catch luffy–--but you know, if he rides that sunny-go he would be pretty much converted into "ill ride this ship to catch you" to "goddamit this guy is good".

                                                                                                        if you will say "smoker dont like to follow orders"....then perfect, luffy never acted like a captain anyways...

                                                                                                        or you will say, "smoker wants to change the marines"...then perfect, the key to changing the WG is in the sunny-go----nico robin.

                                                                                                        3.What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals? what will happen is that luffy will have a vegeta (you know what i mean) on board, one who will give an additional unique personality in the crew, given that, every dude in the current strawhat crew got no hidden agenda against luffy. much like sanji and zoro, kinemon and brook–-if kinemon is considered just on the fact that he would be like the partner of brook then i think its fair to give that persona to smoker as well.

                                                                                                        and smoker would need to stop chasing luffy, which i think will be alright...since akainu might be luffy's greatest marine rival anyway, and both him and luffy got bad blood written all over it. akainu killed luffy's brother....which made smoker like a gag (not really a gag, but just sayin akainu's rivalry with luffy is way bigger)...or even if say "well smoker the friendlier marine rival of luffy".....there's still coby which is probably way more important than smoker....

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                                                                                                        Except those are shallow meaningless powers that don't matter, and the Swiss guy is talking about personality which does matter.
                                                                                                        We already have a humorless surly badass who frowns constantly..

                                                                                                        and we got two perverts if youre talking about personality.

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                                                                                                        are those can even called a justice?
                                                                                                        and why can't Smoker have those traits as marines, the opposite group of the protagonist?

                                                                                                        well, ok. if you cant get it then fine.

                                                                                                        What corruption? the shicibukai? the group that disliked by every other marines?

                                                                                                        fake promotions, covering up the good deeds made by pirates, covering up of kidnapping, covering up of drug dealing, child experimentation, insertion of an outsider in the marines.

                                                                                                        he's not

                                                                                                        ok again.

                                                                                                        He can't go to NW with his captain position? And aokiji's not leaving the marines because he want to…

                                                                                                        ok.

                                                                                                        He's vice admiral, of course he can… but tell me, what made you think that akainu will leave his office because of SHC?

                                                                                                        this is just…man...sorry, this is a st---d question....

                                                                                                        You really made them both as the worst character in One Piece

                                                                                                        ok, thats how you see it.

                                                                                                        last time i read, the baratie restaurant want to erase the shicibukai system.

                                                                                                        eh????

                                                                                                        really ? a childhood illustration?

                                                                                                        that oda drew.

                                                                                                        lol … not everyone that luffy helped will join, but a marines will? is this something like "sanji will be feared by the marines/wg" fanboyism?

                                                                                                        stop generalizing, i didnt said anyone that luffy helped, i said strawhats was helped by luffy before they joined. LOL. your weak ass arguments dont really deserve a reply sorry….

                                                                                                        So, why can't the chase to be a journey for both side? like we already see in the stories.

                                                                                                        because they are dynamic characters.

                                                                                                        Smoker made important decisions involving SHC in those 3 arcs he played, isn't that important enough?

                                                                                                        do you want all things to develop ASAP? and here you are talking about bad storytelling.

                                                                                                        dude, seriously, most of these arguments i dont even wanna answer…i respect it, but its pretty downright, i dont know...its like you just refuse to lose in a discussion...these are stupid ass, borderline sarcastic answers...

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