But SHogun is a kids dream as far as we can tell. It is just something that kids want to be but not really a dream in the strawhat sense. And it also requires Momo to stay at Wa no Kuni and therefore would exclude him from being the next Strawhat.
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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The Toy's are so unnatural I've been thinking they are a product of Donflamingo's fruit. I'm betting once the Doflamingo goes down, the toys lose what ever form of life they have. Maybe the toys have human spirits transferred within them leaving nearly mindless dullards to work the factories. Seems too close to something Law and Moriah could do though.
What ever the case I can't see them surviving without Doflamingo's ability.
well yeah you got a good point there, im assuming the toy soldier is a different case though,…he shouldnt be highlighted if he wont be different fromt he rest. so imo its like, other toys = with doflamingo's control.
toy soldier = with another unknown curse.
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I'd describe Vivi as a "She's a Straw Hat, but not a crew member".
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The main problem with Soldier being a human theory is this:
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/177425/one-piece_ch711_by_mangarule/14 We see Rebecca laughing when she looks at little girl playing with toy and then her conversation with Soldier happens. She doesn't see father/brother/peer/whoever but a toy which strongly implies it reminds her of her good times with Soldier which would mean he was her toy when she was little. The only way the story could like you theory would be if he was once her toy and when she'd grown up, she find out he was really a human and wanted to help him regain his previous body. However again we must state that he seems to have great pride in being a toy, living to make people laugh and it doesn't look like he minds at all.Aohige's way of describing Vivi is probably the best.
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@Croco~Boy:
Ok just think of the consequences if Oda does make Jimbe join the SHIP, he will have to make room to draw his fat ass on a small panel whilst taking away screen time away from the others that HAVE a dream(the thing all of Luffy's nakama have).
But what do you think of Momo and J.Bonney joining? Please give me all that indicates otherwise.
Jinbe is joining. u mad bro
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yeah. thats what i had assumed as well. until it was revealed that the toy soldier and rebecca were a couple.
in the steadfast tin soldier story. there are two things that caught my attention.
–the toy soldier was thrown into fire. (rebecca's misinformation)
-- and the toy soldier travelled in a paper boat (until he found the ballerina girl again)but well, im just speculating, i could very well be wrong though.
I don't really know what happened in that story, but going by what's in this post, doesn't Franky basically serve as "the boat" for the Toy Soldier that will bring him back to Rebecca (if she's supposed to be the ballerina girl)?
And about your other point (in the other post), we still don't know who the Toy Soldier's comrades are. They maybe a combination of Toys and Gnomes and who knows, maybe humans.
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I'd describe Vivi as a "She's a Straw Hat, but not a crew member".
Well that's just confusing
But yes Vivi is Unique and has her own special circumstances - and I truly believe no one will ever be in a similar position to Vivi in the story. She is the crewmember they lost without her needing to killed off to lose her. -
@Croco~Boy:
So if he leaves FI to join the SH, whose to say what'll become of the island when Big Mom wants more candies or another Yonko wants to take over it.
Jimbe will probably tell Luffy that he has to protect FI but that they(his crew) will still back him up. YES just like Vivi.
This was alredy addressed by the story
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@Monkey:A political nation, not an ethnic nation. -_-
@Convention:
And we've never seen or heard of any different ethnic groups in the country.
And BTW, let's assume the impossibile situation: some force would take over USA and started general massacre of americans. They are by no way the same ethic group, nut I'm sure that it would be widely considered a genocide.It's not in a databook, in the MANGA lol, in the chapters in the middle of Volume 20 we directly SEE the populace running away. It's right there.
I stated that it might be in manga. But I give you that one I must've missed this, now I see the panel.
Well that was also essentially the goal of Kohza. Both rebels and Crocodile alike were looking to end the old regime, Crocodile villified them for that very purpose.
I assume it's pretty clear the next step in his plan was to have the people of the country call for him to lead next. Which is why he was so busy making himself into the hero of the country, and a responsible local businessman to boot.If my memory srves right, Kohza have never stated anything but will of ending Cobra's reign. Nothing against army's officers or anyone else and he certainly hasn't shown will to massacre them. Who knows, maybe he wanted to include men like Chaka in post-Cobra Alabasta system.
Genocide is strictly regarding ethnicity/race/religion or some such. Massacring POWs is certainly a horrible war crime, but it's not a genocide or genocidal (Katyn was trictly Polish troops so there is some possible argument there). What Crocodile would be doing is like the Soviets massacring the elites of the Russian monarchy, or the Terror in the French Revolution. Not a genocide by any definition.
They acually weren't POWs, but whatever. I would rather compare Crocodile's case to Soviets mass-killing polish elites (especially officers in Katyn) and causing mass-death in Ukraine (artificial famine in 30's) partly in order to weaken the nation. Both arguably a genocide (though there's actually nothing to argue about Ukraine, just denial).
The bomb was never going to destroy the city you know, it was going to blow up a large area in the middle. Which would kill a lot of people, but not nuke the city or whatever you're imagining. Crocodile even mentioned earlier that he had wanted to keep the palace around, because he would be living in it. As well as the ruins with the Poneglyph.
Okay, maybe that wasn't whole city that was supposed to be destroyed, but look at this.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4793/one-piece_ch193_by_null/12 http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4793/one-piece_ch193_by_null/13
He wanted to attack where most of the both armies where supposed to be, killing them (royalists were waiting in the center and rebels were closing towads the center). Maybe casualities wouldn't be 2,3 million, but would surely be enormous (and it was all planned by Crocodile). And we have to add people who had died earlier.Do you seriously not recall Croc's plot at all? He never wanted to destroy Alabasta. He wanted to rule Alabasta. And use it as his springboard to world domination with the Pluton. The Nefertari dynasty was what he wanted gone.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4793/one-piece_ch193_by_null/11 He pllaned to have pirates 'under his wings' and rule them along with remaining Alabasta's population. They were probably supposed to fill in for fallen.
It was in absolutely no sense a genocide.
He wanted to leave it leaderless, not without force. Did you completely miss that Crocodile was a saint to the people of the kingdom? He was setting himself up to be lifted by the Alabastans themselves to leadership once the king and his people were gone.
Look at every scene regarding Crocodile and common people, or even the rebels. He's being cheered and praised.
If Crocodile took control of Alabasta by force, he would be kicked out of the Shichibukai and attacked by the WG and Marines immediately. Think about it for half a second. Alabasta is clearly a WG member nation, and a Shichibukai would attack it and take it over? That would obviously not be ok by the WG.
For his plan to work, he would have to be made leader peacefully and willingly by the people. So that he ended up in a position not unlike Dofla in Dressrosa.Again,
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4793/one-piece_ch193_by_null/11 He was either sure Government won't risk attacking him, when he has the Pluton or was sure he would win. I'd assume he thought that chaos and distance from main Marine forces would give him enough time to find it. -
quotes definition of genocide
Exactly, none of that applies to either what Croc was doing, trying to do, or did. Nobles, monarchs, and soldiers are none of those things.
And we've never seen or heard of any different ethnic groups in the country.
I doubt there are (anymore), just Alabastans. And Croc was not targeting Alabastans for extermination. If anything he was looking forward to ruling them and getting Pluton with their help.
And BTW, let's assume the impossibile situation: some force would take over USA and started general massacre of americans. They are by no way the same ethic group, nut I'm sure that it would be widely considered a genocide.
The nationality being targeted could count. But again, that wasn't what Crocodile was doing to Alabastans soooo…
If my memory srves right, Kohza have never stated anything but will of ending Cobra's reign. Nothing against army's officers or anyone else and he certainly hasn't shown will to massacre them. Who knows, maybe he wanted to include men like Chaka in post-Cobra Alabasta system.
Kohza wasn't going to massacre anyone, but he definitely had ill will toward the whole establishment. His army certainly did.
I think we can assume that once the BW secretly shot Kohza, that the headless rebel army would probably have massacred the army.
Chaka would definitely NOT be included, though he would have died going down fighting the rebels (if Vivi and Crocodile hadn't both interfered).
Since I think it's clear the rebels would have won the war (both what Crocodile wanted, and what the odds were favoring).They acually weren't POWs, but whatever.
They weren't exactly, but it was something similar in any case.
I would rather compare Crocodile's case to Soviets mass-killing polish elites (especially officers in Katyn) and causing mass-death in Ukraine (artificial famine in 30's) partly in order to weaken the nation.
Holodomor? Interesting comparison.
Both arguably a genocide (though there's actually nothing to argue about Ukraine, just denial).
Again though, Croc wasn't targeting an ethnic group. He was trying to aggravate the people against their leader to depose of the leader.
Stalin if he was deliberately doing it, was trying to crush potential Ukrainian nationalism. The motive was directly an ethnic one.
A sort of racism, opportunist or plain ol hate, is what really matters here. Croc was never targeting Alabastans as a people. Trying to wipe them out, or weaken them, or geographically alter their existence, for an reason regarding "those goddamn Alabastans".Okay, maybe that wasn't whole city that was supposed to be destroyed, but look at this.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4793/one-piece_ch193_by_null/12 http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4793/one-piece_ch193_by_null/13
He wanted to attack where most of the both armies where supposed to be, killing them (royalists were waiting in the center and rebels were closing towads the center). Maybe casualities wouldn't be 2,3 million, but would surely be enormous (and it was all planned by Crocodile). And we have to add people who had died earlier.Is fighting a war genocide?
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4793/one-piece_ch193_by_null/11 He pllaned to have pirates 'under his wings' and rule them along with remaining Alabasta's population. They were probably supposed to fill in for fallen.
Again,
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4793/one-piece_ch193_by_null/11 He was either sure Government won't risk attacking him, when he has the Pluton or was sure he would win. I'd assume he thought that chaos and distance from main Marine forces would give him enough time to find it.You're confusing the order of operations here. Croc takes over the kingdom, using his new position as king to find Pluton. Then he can do things like recruit pirates and openly defy the WG like he mentions there.
He can't start doing any of the pirate stuff until he has Pluton.
But Pluton is hidden in Alabasta.
To dig it up or whatever, he first needs to be king of Alabasta. To have that influence and control of the kingdom.
And he has to take that peacefully and willingly. Because he CAN'T get on the WG's bad side before he has Pluton.
All it would take is one admiral stopping by and Croc and every BW member would be annihilated. -
I'll admit I like the Soldier too, but … don't count on it. Nothing has suggested it's even a possibility.
Plus, Rebecca is the one that seemed trapped. She's the one who wants her freedom, and it seems she wants to attain it by getting the fruit to kill Doflamingo with it. The Soldier seems to go along with the efforts to bring down the Doflamingo family, probably because he wants to free Rebecca too. All of this is stuff I'm assuming from what the manga has shown us.
You two are 'together' bringing to view an analogy that I am thinking about but have been too lazy to post .
I suspect the toys are being controlled by DD.. And that they were humans before as I haven't read in any of the SBSs or Manga that they are a new species (they weren't on the Auction sheet at Shoboady Achipelago) And he uses them as spies to gather information from the island. BUT in the case of the Toy Soldier I suspect he having a broken leg has a way of relieving him of DD's control. And I think that's why DD's henchmen want to capture him. Rebecca like u said believes she can break the toy form by giving him the devil fruit or but getting the fruit and it's power and beating up DD so he reverts the toy soldier back.And I think when DD is defeated the toys will return to normal. Meaning I personally rule out Rebecca or the toy soldier from being New Cre Member.
I still stand by Wicca. Luffa will be fascinated by her and her species and she will be their 'invisible' fairy force.
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@Monkey:
Exactly, none of that applies to either what Croc was doing, trying to do, or did. Nobles, monarchs, and soldiers are none of those things.
I doubt there are (anymore), just Alabastans. And Croc was not targeting Alabastans for extermination. If anything he was looking forward to ruling them and getting Pluton with their help.
The nationality being targeted could count. But again, that wasn't what Crocodile was doing to Alabastans soooo…
Kohza wasn't going to massacre anyone, but he definitely had ill will toward the whole establishment. His army certainly did.
I think we can assume that once the BW secretly shot Kohza, that the headless rebel army would probably have massacred the army.
Chaka would definitely NOT be included, though he would have died going down fighting the rebels (if Vivi and Crocodile hadn't both interfered).
Since I think it's clear the rebels would have won the war (both what Crocodile wanted, and what the odds were favoring).They weren't exactly, but it was something similar in any case.
Holodomor? Interesting comparison.
Again though, Croc wasn't targeting an ethnic group. He was trying to aggravate the people against their leader to depose of the leader.
Stalin if he was deliberately doing it, was trying to crush potential Ukrainian nationalism. The motive was directly an ethnic one.
A sort of racism, opportunist or plain ol hate, is what really matters here. Croc was never targeting Alabastans as a people. Trying to wipe them out, or weaken them, or geographically alter their existence, for an reason regarding "those goddamn Alabastans".1. Crocodile definitely wasn't driven by 'hate' for Alabastans and neither (as far as my knowledge goes) was Stalin. But Stalin wanted to weaken (not exterminate all) Ukrainians which caused the death of millions (and was according to his plan), which was a genocide. And it was the same with Crocodile, by massacre of armies he would make them unable to fight back for decades (and by this time he wouldn't have to care) and easy to use for his benefit.
2. Kinda hard speculation on my part so you can ignore it, but that could be yet another reason of the massacre - he wanted to have pirates 'under his wings', what if he would want them to take cities that would be left with many of their population killed?
3. So you see, no one (in rebellion army) planned extermination of rolay army's officers. If it would happen after their victory it would be emotional reaction of rebels which can't be compared to Crocodile's plan.
4. I think that the problem with this discussion is that genocide has become (or maybe it always had been) more political term than anything else (kinda similiar to terrorism) and there's problem with definition (I used one just to show that nation can be includedamong subjects of genocide) that everyone would agree on. You seem to use the term genocide only for exterminating national/ethnic/religious/etc. group caused by hatred/hostilty towards said group (like Shoah or Armenians' massacre by Turkey). While I (like probably many of middle-east europeans) also include mass-murder of large part of population (like Holodomor), mass-murder of elites (like Katyn) in order to make nation unable to oppose control, influence from alien force under this term.Is fighting a war genocide?
There was never a war between Crocodile and Alabasta. He wanted to have pretty much all the combatants (royal army, rebel army) in more or less one place (square) and kill everyone (again armies were neither hostile towards him nor they knew who he really was) with one bomb. That sounds genocidal to me. It's not like soldiers can't be victims of genocide. And most of them were normal citizens doing normal things just one day before the battle (1,3 million have joined after attack on Nanohana) and Crocodile willingly made them join the fray
You're confusing the order of operations here. Croc takes over the kingdom, using his new position as king to find Pluton. Then he can do things like recruit pirates and openly defy the WG like he mentions there.
He can't start doing any of the pirate stuff until he has Pluton.
But Pluton is hidden in Alabasta.
To dig it up or whatever, he first needs to be king of Alabasta. To have that influence and control of the kingdom.
And he has to take that peacefully and willingly. Because he CAN'T get on the WG's bad side before he has Pluton.
All it would take is one admiral stopping by and Croc and every BW member would be annihilated.Let's assume so. But sooner or later everyone would find out. And then it would be better not to have millions of angry healthy young men against you (I don't think that Pluton could be used against rebellion). Obviously he would have pirates by his side, but he would probably prefer no rebellion at all.
I think that it's pretty good moment to agree to disagree since the problems are definition of genocide (which is subject of debates) and wheter or not Crocodile wanted to weaken Alabastans as a nation, which for me seems evident from his will to kill most of rebellions and royalists and for you it doesn't; I don't think any of us can find argument to make another change their mind about this (at least I have already written everything I had to add on this matter), unless you want to try, obviously.
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I think both of you are way off topic now
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Yeah, that's another reason to end this (and for sure to end this here). Though staff rarely minds OTs (from what I've seen) if they're not about power levels.
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1. Crocodile definitely wasn't driven by 'hate' for Alabastans and neither (as far as my knowledge goes) was Stalin.
Us vs. Them mentality falls under hate, the oppertunistic kind. This also covers the Armenian Genocide, which was done for distrust of a people reasons rather than naked hate in the sense of the Holocaust or Rwandan Genocide.
Stalin did not trust an entire people, he felt it was them vs. the Russian people or USSR as a whole. Much as he also distrusted Chechens, Kalmyks, Ossetians and scores of others.To some extent, in most genocides, hate is carried out by the soldiers and common people participating, and oppertunism by the politicians and generals leading them around. Hitler is probably more notable for being in tune with the propaganda regarding Jews than just wanting them gone for some strategic distrust reason.
But again none of that applies to Crocodile. Now if Crocodile had said "In the long run, these foolish Alabastans will just be in my way, I'll cleanse the island of them to make room for my glorious CrocoEmpire" then he'd be open to this accusation.
But Stalin wanted to weaken (not exterminate all) Ukrainians which caused the death of millions (and was according to his plan), which was a genocide. And it was the same with Crocodile, by massacre of armies he would make them unable to fight back for decades (and by this time he wouldn't have to care) and easy to use for his benefit.
Armies aren't an ethnic group. Also no one would be fighting back because no one would perceive Crocodile as a villain at all in his plan. Only the Royal Army might act that way, not the rebels.
2. Kinda hard speculation on my part so you can ignore it, but that could be yet another reason of the massacre - he wanted to have pirates 'under his wings', what if he would want them to take cities that would be left with many of their population killed?
I imagine he'd want pirates because his idea of an empire would involve taking over other places, something for which the Alabastans, army and all, wouldn't be very good at.
3. So you see, no one (in rebellion army) planned extermination of rolay army's officers. If it would happen after their victory it would be emotional reaction of rebels which can't be compared to Crocodile's plan.
At best they were headed to prison. You're kidding yourself if you think they were going to let them join the ranks of the new post-nefeltari regime. Soldiers who hadn't changed sides by that point were probably hardcore Cobra supporters. They wouldn't join them anyway.
4. I think that the problem with this discussion is that genocide has become (or maybe it always had been) more political term than anything else (kinda similiar to terrorism) and there's problem with definition (I used one just to show that nation can be includedamong subjects of genocide) that everyone would agree on. You seem to use the term genocide only for exterminating national/ethnic/religious/etc. group caused by hatred/hostilty towards said group (like Shoah or Armenians' massacre by Turkey).
See above, I don't just mean hate.
While I (like probably many of middle-east europeans) also include mass-murder of large part of population (like Holodomor), mass-murder of elites (like Katyn) in order to make nation unable to oppose control, influence from alien force under this term.
Middle-East Europeans? You mean like Cypriots? Turks? Armenians? Georgians?
I agree that certain actions like that are definitely genocide or related. The Armenian genocide you mentioned wasn't dissimilar to that.
Also those tensions? Were definitely ethnic. There is and has been ethnic tension between Poles and Russians, and Ukrainians and Russians.
I would absolutely see it as different if Stalin targeted Poles in a certain way that he may have also with Russians. Which he did btw.
Katyn was a purge of elite Poles? Stalin did TONS of that in the USSR with Russians galore.
BUT because of the ethnic difference there's definitely something more sinister up with Katyn.Let's assume so. But sooner or later everyone would find out. And then it would be better not to have millions of angry healthy young men against you (I don't think that Pluton could be used against rebellion). Obviously he would have pirates by his side, but he would probably prefer no rebellion at all.
Sooner or later why? No one but Vivi and Igaram found out DURING, afterwards Crocodile would have absolute control of the narrative in the country. It's very unlikely anyone would find out, and even if they did they would fare even worse than Vivi did.
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How on earth did the thread get here?
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See what happens? YOU see what happens when people call death upon Jinbe?
Political and social turmoil.
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Ahem… Monkey King, this thread is for NAKAMA discussion! Take that Crocodile stuff elsewhere.
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I will bet my left foot that the next crewmate is Smoker. Oda undermined Smoker's strength a lot after just reintroducing him during the Punk Hazard arc. Luffy can now fight logias because of haki and the crew doesn't have a logia on their ship yet. An ex-Marine would probably be able to tell them any disturbing news about the World Government's plots and what they plan to do with the Ancient Weapons. Also Smoker and Luffy have developed a very respectful relationship between each other. Smoker defended Luffy after Crocodile was defeated and after Ceasar was captured. He also has good ties with another ex-Marine, Kuzan.
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The next crewmate will obviously be a black guy. I can't even remember seeing a black person in one piece haha
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I will bet my left foot that the next crewmate is Smoker. Oda undermined Smoker's strength a lot after just reintroducing him during the Punk Hazard arc. Luffy can now fight logias because of haki and the crew doesn't have a logia on their ship yet. An ex-Marine would probably be able to tell them any disturbing news about the World Government's plots and what they plan to do with the Ancient Weapons. Also Smoker and Luffy have developed a very respectful relationship between each other. Smoker defended Luffy after Crocodile was defeated and after Ceasar was captured. He also has good ties with another ex-Marine, Kuzan.
Smoker believes too much in justice and he doesn't like pirates so it would be hard for him to join a pirate crew. But it can be a possibility if smoker finds some dirt at the G5 Base that only high ups know.
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The thought of Smoker taking orders from Luffy is hilarious
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not really. smoker and luffy almost always cooperated whenever they share the same arc, not to mention that they share the same idea most of the time…the only line between them is because of him being a marine and luffy being a pirate really.
how they value their crews, how they have their own sense of justice, how they strive to get stronger. its all the same.
and its not like luffy is the commanding type. he is almost not a captain with his attitude. and he lets everyone in his crew be what they wanna be. smoker would be perfect for the strawhats.
also, smoker working with the strawhats and representing aokiji (guarding nico robin and the void history outcome) is not a bad idea.
also, i view smoker as "marine's version of luffy" rather than "luffy's garp"
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I will bet my left foot that the next crewmate is Smoker. Oda undermined Smoker's strength a lot after just reintroducing him during the Punk Hazard arc. Luffy can now fight logias because of haki and the crew doesn't have a logia on their ship yet. An ex-Marine would probably be able to tell them any disturbing news about the World Government's plots and what they plan to do with the Ancient Weapons. Also Smoker and Luffy have developed a very respectful relationship between each other. Smoker defended Luffy after Crocodile was defeated and after Ceasar was captured. He also has good ties with another ex-Marine, Kuzan.
You know what. This convinced me. This is more than enough proof that Smoker is indefinitely the next crewmate that the strawhats will add. Bravo. (this is sarcasm)
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Smoker believes too much in justice and he doesn't like pirates so it would be hard for him to join a pirate crew. But it can be a possibility if smoker finds some dirt at the G5 Base that only high ups know.
dont like pirates but he kinda looked amazed with roger on his flashback though (i know its in the anime, whatever)…so there might be some bad experience from his childhood to make him that untrusting to pirates now.
i bet his belief "pirates are pirates" will get a backstory sometime soon. as well as tashigi's on why she wanted to get the sword form bad guys. i dont know...lets see.
and yeah, theres always a possibility in the WG corruption now...(im kinda more confident now, since my prediction that doflamingo got under the table connections with gorosei might be true as well. that, is suppose will be the start of the fishy smells from WG leaking out..which smoker will not approve to.)
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You know what. This convinced me. This is more than enough proof that Smoker is indefinitely the next crewmate that the strawhats will add. Bravo.
made a long ass theory about this before bro. LOL. welcome aboard.
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The next crewmate will obviously be a black guy. I can't even remember seeing a black person in one piece haha
Daz Bones, Aokiji.
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the muscle girl from Wiskey Peak
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If Smoker did join I wonder what Tashigi would do she is has very high loyalty to smoker and the marines.
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Daz Bones, Aokiji.
I think you could make a case for Ussop and Yassop as well.
He is African xD
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toy soldier, tashigi, jinbe and smoker. in order. calling it.
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Daz Bones, Aokiji.
Aokiji definitely isn't black. He's based on a Japanese actor. Daz Bones might be, but his skin color is really light. I'd say the only definite black characters we have are Miss Monday and Mr. 5 (also known as Lenny Kravitz)
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I don't think Oda really pays attention to race or anything like that, like you'd think the Shandians would be darker skinned than Norland, but on the Vol. 31 cover Calgara and Norland are the same peach tone. As Luffy and Sanji for that matter.
He just doesn't really pay attention. I don't think he cares.
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Well according to this one wonky sbs, Oda assigned a nationality to the strawhats, but…that's irrelevant right?
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Well according to this one wonky sbs, Oda assigned a nationality to the strawhats, but…that's irrelevant right?
I'd say yes, assigning nationalities or races to every character would be some unnecessary creative work with little to no trascendence in the storyline.
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@Monkey:
He just doesn't really pay attention. I don't think he cares.
^This pretty much. I imagine the only reason he hasn't used very dark-skinned characters is because they're hard to do in a black-and-white format.
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toy soldier, tashigi, jinbe and smoker. in order. calling it.
no, no, maybe and no. in order. calling it.
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^This pretty much. I imagine the only reason he hasn't used very dark-skinned characters is because they're hard to do in a black-and-white format.
This is the exact reason Toriyama gave. Filling in dark skinned characters take a considerable amount of ink so having dark toned characters show up as either a main character (or doing it digitally…but you still have to print it out and thus using more ink) is kinda expensive in the long run.
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Well according to this one wonky sbs, Oda assigned a nationality to the strawhats, but…that's irrelevant right?
He was assigning personality stereotypes or something I think. Or at least what his perception of them is anyway.
I mean for instance…it was stuff as shallowly jokey as Brooke being Austrian because he's a musician lol.The other stereotypes (aside from FrankyAmerican, SanjiFrench, and LuffyBrazilian I guess) I wouldn't even say translate lol.
Nami seems like another sort of American stereotype than Franky, definitely not Swedish.
Whereas Robin = Russian really seems random for westerners. Russians are definitely seen as stereotypically stoic, but not graceful and elegant lol.
But I've noticed in other stuff that Japanese stereotypes of Russians definitely seem to cast them as these icy elegant people for some reason. Like a glamorous velvet snow kingdom lol.
And while I know American and European stereotypes of Russians differ somehwat, I think we can agree on that not fitting lol.What DOES interest me is I kinda think Oda is vaguely suggesting different parts of the world with the four Blues.
Like almost everything we've seen from North Blue is European looking. And East Blue is the "vanilla home land" for a manga made by a Japanese guy go figure. While we've seen lots of Cowboys and stuff from West Blue.Like I'm thinking Oda's using a really loose guideline like the following.
North Blue = Europe
East Blue = East Asia
West Blue = Americas
South Blue = Rest of Asia/Africa??Dunno, not a strong guideline but it does seem to be there.
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When I think of Robin being characterized as a Russian, I think of her as a Russian spy, like in a James Bond flick.
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@William:
no, no, maybe and no. in order. calling it.
haha good one. smart ass.
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toy soldier, tashigi, jinbe and smoker. in order. calling it.
You got one right. Guessing is not your strong suit.
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haha good one. smart ass.
I can say with all certainty that Toy Soldier is not joining, especially with your reasoning. If he is cursed by Doflamingo or whoever why wouldn't the cure be somewhere on the island? Why would he need to join Luffy to look for it?
Tashigi and Smoker hate criminals, if they do leave the Marines they'll probably join up with Kuzan and deliver justice themselves. And you seem to be forgetting outside of two instances (Alabasta when Smoker let them go because they saved his life, and Punk Hazard to take down a common enemy) Smoker has tried to capture Luffy his hardest.
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@William:
I can say with all certainty that Toy Soldier is not joining, especially with your reasoning. If he is cursed by Doflamingo or whoever why wouldn't the cure be somewhere on the island? Why would he need to join Luffy to look for it?
Tashigi and Smoker hate criminals, if they do leave the Marines they'll probably join up with Kuzan and deliver justice themselves. And you seem to be forgetting outside of two instances (Alabasta when Smoker let them go because they saved his life, and Punk Hazard to take down a common enemy) Smoker has tried to capture Luffy his hardest.
agree to disagree. thats my bet though.
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@Monkey:
Like I'm thinking Oda's using a really loose guideline like the following.
North Blue = Europe
East Blue = East Asia
West Blue = Americas
South Blue = Rest of Asia/Africa??Dunno, not a strong guideline but it does seem to be there.
Huh…that might be pretty cool if it is accurate. I wish Oda showed more of these regions in order to confirm this since it is a neat idea if Oda is following it.
In fact, I wonder if there is some sort of pattern since Oda assigns particular characters to particular Blues (unless he is just doing this completely out of shits and giggles and just assigns people to places on whim).
Confirmed locales for characters:
North Blue: Sanji, Bellamy, Sarquiss, Montblanc, Hawkins, Drake, and Law
South Blue: Kid, Killer, Inazuma, Ace, Bonney, and Jerry (that one CP boxer guy on a train)
East Blue: Obviously we know all these guys
West Blue: Robin, Lafitte, Brook, Capone, Daz Bones, Shanks and YorkiHmm...not really seeing a pattern in characters, but the physical locations APPEAR to have vague characteristics of these nations (North Blue Europe, West has cowboy ish look) shrug Maybe he just assigns these guys to these countries out of sheer randomness because I don't know the significance of why he bothered to tell us why some of these characters are from these PARTICULAR regions (some are significant story wise but some are completely random like Jerry being a prominent boxer from South Blue...random tidbit but...w/e.).
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North Blue is the only one that really strongly seems to resemble a region of the real world, VERY Europe.
I've always thought about the quick look around the world we see right before the battle of Marineford.
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-550/page-2
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Seeing bits and parts of the OP world really makes me realize how "diverse" things really are. It is a shame we only get mere name drops and a few snippits from places here and there in terms of the Blues. Oda seems to be the type of guy that would at least put some thought into diversifying each of the Blues are. I wonder if there is any rhyme or reason behind showing these locales and giving them a certain style/flair. North Blue does look VERY European (though I am going to have to look for more examples of those brief snippits like the one you posted). Though, when he did show us a lot of East Blue it didn't really have much of a distinct style like ch 550 pg2.
South Blue intrigues me though. There's not a whole lot about it aside from it being Ace's birthplace and the location where Chopper got bounced to.
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That being said we can try making another terrible vague meaningless nationality call off of it lol.
Main Crew are…
Europeans: Sanji
American/Canadian/Latin American: Brooke, Robin
Asian (American sense of the word): Luffy, Nami, Zoro, Usopp
African/Mid-Eastern/Asian (British sense of the word): Franky
Magic Land: Chopper
Marianas Trench: Jimbei -