Oh I was joking. I just found it amusing how they often miss these huge things on the ocean.
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Oh I was joking. I just found it amusing how they often miss these huge things on the ocean.
I'm not so surprised ….have to seen the size of some of those waves?? It seems they have the massive waves with trenches as often as a calm flat surface :ninja: please note joking voice can't be translated well in internet
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Poe's Law .
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Oh I was joking. I just found it amusing how they often miss these huge things on the ocean.
Ah. Well, if there was an actual position for which Carrot would be nominated, I can think of no other. Even if she's not the best at it. Someone with that childlike, easily-distracted mentality isn't exactly a smart choice but since it's not a very important task, who knows.
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I'm really interested in seeing why Oda delayed Jimbei again. I mean as far as I'm concerned(as well as the story) he is a part of the crew but we just want to see him permanently there with his own bed, a 9th Person chapter and interacting with the crew in their casual down time.
After Fishman Island:
1 - The Straw Hats would soon be fighting Doflamingo. Can't have 2 War Lords plus Luffy ganging up on another.
2 - The Straw Hats get a few arcs to prove themselves in the New World without Jimbei.
3 - Jimbei has ties to Big Mom and it was clear we were being set up to see her in a few arcs anyway.That stuff I can reasonably understand. Though now after Whole Cake, I feel like Oda is setting up some kind of payoff that should have us pretty excited and jumping for joy when he does eventually return. Does that mean he shows up at the last second to save someone from seemingly-certain-Oda-death? Or might he have some kind of adventure on his own that would have some cool affect on the rest of the story?
Jimbei's cover page did bring us Wadatsumi and a Poneglyph and I doubt it will contain irrelevant information when Robin gets to read it. I'm just trying to imagine what is going to happen to the Straw Hats where its preferable to leave Jimbei out it initially and/or what he could do on his own that would have significant results for the main plot.
I know we like to think of the Fishmen & Mermen as a people who don't need silly boats to get around the ocean and in some cases its true. Hatchi traveling alone, Jimbei ready to carry Luffy(at least partially) to Saboady but most of the time they need a place to store their belongings and rest along the way while not being forced into the elements. I guess I'm trying to say that I don't think the Sun Pirates are just going to swim to Wano. I'm betting on Germa giving them a lift with the possibility of the entire group heading to the Reverie with Gastino in tow.
What future story reasons do you guys think kept Jimbei behind once more?
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What future story reasons do you guys think kept Jimbei behind once more?
I'm playing around with the idea of him going to Reverie (with Germa). It could easily be a Fisher Tiger callback and it would be interesting to follow an (official) Straw Hat at the Reverie. Plus, I feel like Luffy's vivre card has to come into play sooner rather than later and Leo happens to be attending.
However, there's no logical reason why he would go there. =P
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@Jazzy:
I'm playing around with the idea of him going to Reverie (with Germa). It could easily be a Fisher Tiger callback and it would be interesting to follow an (official) Straw Hat at the Reverie. Plus, I feel like Luffy's vivre card has to come into play sooner rather than later and Leo happens to be attending.
However, there's no logical reason why he would go there. =P
I really think its all because oda couldnt avoid jinbe joining officially if he went with them so he had to have this delay so theres not any time for chilling and having a party on wano
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One of the reasons I think Jimbe was left behind was just to maximize the stakes at the ending of WCI. Nobody would care (emotionally) if it was only the Sun Pirates.
I really hope Oda has great plans for how Jimbe will reunite with the Strawhats, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's something very simplistic. The only thing I don't want is Jimbe becoming a hostage or a homie.
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Maybe instead of assuming he would be the "10th" SH to join, he'll actually be the last, but the 10th to join Luffy. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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@Jazzy:
I'm playing around with the idea of him going to Reverie (with Germa). It could easily be a Fisher Tiger callback and it would be interesting to follow an (official) Straw Hat at the Reverie. Plus, I feel like Luffy's vivre card has to come into play sooner rather than later and Leo happens to be attending.
**However, there's no logical reason why he would go there. =**P
I figured if he and the rest of the Sun Pirates got blasted out of the water they would need to recuperate. The closest "allies" are Germa so the Sun Pirates would recover in the traveling country while it goes about its business to the Holy Land.
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I figured if he and the rest of the Sun Pirates got blasted out of the water they would need to recuperate. The closest "allies" are Germa so the Sun Pirates would recover in the traveling country while it goes about its business to the Holy Land.
Now let's be reasonable here for a sec.
Why would Germa even help fishmen? When did they stop being evil, selfish (and in some cases slightly suicidal)?
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Now let's be reasonable here for a sec.
Why would Germa even help fishmen? When did they stop being evil, selfish (and in some cases slightly suicidal)?
Did that stealth narutotherapy actually work?lol There are a trillion reasons Oda could come up with to have the Sun Pirates stow away with Germa for a while. Doesn't mean Germa have to willingly or even knowingly help them. Why it happens isn't so important just what it could lead to.
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Sanji got manhandled by Daifuku during the wedding, in sulong mode she danced circles around him. Maybe she isn't stronger in the sense of how much weight she can move with her body, but they're probably equal in terms of how likely they are to beat any given opponent.
Sanji isn't really all that strong so who knows.
I know Sanji's gotten a very bad portrayal this arc, but let's not forget he is (was? :D) still part of the Monster Trio and got paired with Jimbei during FI. No way in hell can Carrot in her Sulong form beat him. IIRC she only beat fodder and vandalized ships and didn't take down anyone important. So there's that.
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Now let's be reasonable here for a sec.
Why would Germa even help fishmen? When did they stop being evil, selfish (and in some cases slightly suicidal)?
Did that stealth narutotherapy actually work?they came to the island to save the strawhats. If Jimbei help them not die to Big Mom they may feel endebted and help them.
Although I don't think they would accept to set foot in the Holy Land considering not only are they fishmen they are also criminals.
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I wouldn't be so sure Sulong Carrot is inferior to Sanji based on what we saw of him so far. But I strongly believe Sanji's true timeskip powerup was not shown yet for okama reasons, so up to this point we only saw Sanji at his weakest unlike the rest of the crew. Or at least that's what I like to think…
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Not sure how okama style is better then what sanji has unless is based on haki.
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@uniaka:
Not sure how okama style is better then what sanji has unless is based on haki.
Well, different techniques are different. I doubt Sanji will literally were a dress like in the coverstory, or get a Sailor Moon-style transformation - but taking a ballet stance together with some as "unmanly" perceived gestures? I can absolutely see that coming.
I'm a little scared because this could turn from funny yet badass (Bon) to tasteless and awful (Newkama Grandmaster) very quick, but I'm still positive that it could be cool.
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Sanji already uses a fighting technique from Ivankov and he's proud to cook the 99 recipes from Kamabakka Kingdom, so I'm not sure he is hiding something out of embarassment.
Sanji will probably just be strong in Wano enough because he always is for no particular reason. Back in Paradise, he would skip a fight in some arcs and then come back defeating a big villain.
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I'm really interested in seeing why Oda delayed Jimbei again. I mean as far as I'm concerned(as well as the story) he is a part of the crew but we just want to see him permanently there with his own bed, a 9th Person chapter and interacting with the crew in their casual down time.
After Fishman Island:
1 - The Straw Hats would soon be fighting Doflamingo. Can't have 2 War Lords plus Luffy ganging up on another.
2 - The Straw Hats get a few arcs to prove themselves in the New World without Jimbei.
3 - Jimbei has ties to Big Mom and it was clear we were being set up to see her in a few arcs anyway.That stuff I can reasonably understand. Though now after Whole Cake, I feel like Oda is setting up some kind of payoff that should have us pretty excited and jumping for joy when he does eventually return. Does that mean he shows up at the last second to save someone from seemingly-certain-Oda-death? Or might he have some kind of adventure on his own that would have some cool affect on the rest of the story?
Jimbei's cover page did bring us Wadatsumi and a Poneglyph and I doubt it will contain irrelevant information when Robin gets to read it. I'm just trying to imagine what is going to happen to the Straw Hats where its preferable to leave Jimbei out it initially and/or what he could do on his own that would have significant results for the main plot.
I know we like to think of the Fishmen & Mermen as a people who don't need silly boats to get around the ocean and in some cases its true. Hatchi traveling alone, Jimbei ready to carry Luffy(at least partially) to Saboady but most of the time they need a place to store their belongings and rest along the way while not being forced into the elements. I guess I'm trying to say that I don't think the Sun Pirates are just going to swim to Wano. I'm betting on Germa giving them a lift with the possibility of the entire group heading to the Reverie with Gastino in tow.
What future story reasons do you guys think kept Jimbei behind once more?
Everyone here seems to dismiss the idea, but my friend thinks Jinbei isn't joining till Wano because Zoro has to prove he's the straw hats number 2, and get a bigger bounty then Jinbei (or at least make some sort of big impression)
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Everyone here seems to dismiss the idea, but my friend thinks Jinbei isn't joining till Wano because Zoro has to prove he's the straw hats number 2, and get a bigger bounty then Jinbei (or at least make some sort of big impression)
Robin had a bigger bounty than Luffy when she joined, and she dwarfed Zoro for five or six years. Bounty ain't the issue.
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Robin had a bigger bounty than Luffy when she joined, and she dwarfed Zoro for five or six years. Bounty ain't the issue.
Didn't Luffy get his 100 Million bounty right at the end of Alabasta? He just didn't know it yet. So while it's not a diegetic reason for a new crewmate to not join the crew, it still seems to be one for Oda. Only for Luffy as the captain though. Zoro's bounty is irrelevant like you said.
Bounty could have been part of the issue up until the end of Dressrosa. A very small part though.
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What future story reasons do you guys think kept Jimbei behind once more?
One or two reasons:
1. We're probably not going to Wano right away. Oda's hinted in interviews that Luffy will encounter an enemy prior to Wano, probably Weevil. That fight would probably be a lot easier with Jinbe around.
2. The fate of Fishman Pirates and Germa seem tied together right now. Jinbe staying behind and returning in Wano might be the vehicle to bring Germa back into the story.
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Will Weevil become the Bellamy of the New World, a powerful character in-universe that appears to show us how above that level Luffy is right now?
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Will Weevil become the Bellamy of the New World, a powerful character in-universe that appears to show us how above that level Luffy is right now?
I don't think so. Weevil is kind of like when Majin Buu debuted in DB. He is incredibly destructive, but he doesn't seem truly evil.
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@S.C.:
I don't think so. Weevil is kind of like when Majin Buu debuted in DB. He is incredibly destructive, but he doesn't seem truly evil.
Oh, I don't mean personality-wise, but about one of his placements in the plot (to be a point of reference in power level) other than connecting us to something related to Newgate.
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Oh, I don't mean personality-wise, but about one of his placements in the plot (to be a point of reference in power level) other than connecting us to something related to Newgate.
Ah, I see. Well, I feel like that role you speak of could even possibly be someone aligned with the Wano Shogunate. It's a bit hard to tell right now. A lot of variables are still up in the air for the arc.
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I can't be the only one who was almost certain from the beginning that Jinbei wouldn't be going back with them, right? It really felt like Jinbei was in this arc because he happened to have business with Big Mom and Luffy happened to be there. I can't put my finger on why it would be weird to recruit a crewmember when only half of the crew was present but it just is to me. The timing was just never right to me.
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Also, as I keep saying, Jinbe has probably been in Wano before. Having Jimbei there would take out a tiny bit of the "ooh, new and all surprise!" factor. That alone isn't enough to keep him out, but there might also be some issue or backstory bit that Jinbe could resolve in two seconds, while NOT having Jimbei there can lead to reveals and developments. Or friends (or enemies) of his, fishman dojo wano edition, something.
No idea what those things could be other than ties to Ace, but there it is.
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In hindsight, I should have realized it. I felt like there was no way there was a chance Big Mom would go down because half the crew was gone, but then welcoming Jinbei officially in with said half crew missing would, as Icefae said, feel a bit off.
Also, I suppose he's also sitting out so we can meet the final crewmate in Wano and have some development for him/her.
And on that note, I am pretty darn excited to see who it could possibly be.
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I mean, it happened, so that's that, but like… What about when Sanji joined the crew way back when?
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Recruiting Jinbe on its own isn't something I think is an issue since Sanji joined while everybody else was on Nami's island. And I don't the crew ever celebrated Sanji's joining. Of course, Oda might regret that in hindsight. The real issue is everything Robby said and maybe the tonal clash with this arc ending as The Emperor Strikes Back.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Also, as I keep saying, Jinbe has probably been in Wano before. Having Jimbei there would take out a tiny bit of the "ooh, new and all surprise!" factor. That alone isn't enough to keep him out, but there might also be some issue or backstory bit that Jinbe could resolve in two seconds, while NOT having Jimbei there can lead to reveals and developments. Or friends (or enemies) of his, fishman dojo wano edition, something.
No idea what those things could be other than ties to Ace, but there it is. Or friends (or enemies) of his, fishman dojo wano edition, something.
I wonder if there's a human version of fishman karate in Wano?
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@S.C.:
I wonder if there's a human version of fishman karate in Wano?
Do you mean a human Fishman Karate Dojo? There's no need for a human version of Fishman Karate itself when Koala can learn the real thing as a human.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
Do you mean a human Fishman Karate Dojo? There's no need for a human version of Fishman Karate itself when Koala can learn the real thing as a human.
Sorta. I mean, like a form of karate where you still have the superhuman powers like the air shockwave punches and stuff.
Then again, samurais fought bare-handed with Jujutsu rather then Karate, so…yeah. Not sure how to replicate Fishman Jujutsu without the water aspect. And since Oda doesn't really do much grappling in fights.
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Then… don't replicate it? Just teach the original thing? At least inb4 Jinbe comes into Wano Country with cultural appropriation complaints.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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I was 100% positive that Jinbe will join the crew this arc. With all the awesome moment Jinbe had in this arc, there's no way Jinbe won't officially join the crew!
Oda threw me for a loop in that regard.lol
With Sanji being the forefront of this arc, I guess Jinbe joining will be an afterthought…
With Oda delaying Jinbe officially joining the crew again, I hope it is because of narrative reason in Wano arc. (I guess I was right on any Jinbe's potential flashback not being shown in this arc)I sincerely hope the next crewmate has a more straightforward joining process than Jinbe...
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@Count:
Then… don't replicate it? Just teach the original thing? At least inb4 Jinbe comes into Wano Country with cultural appropriation complaints.
Sorry, bud, I realized what I was trying to say wasn't coming across right. Let's take it again from the top.
I was wondering if Jinbei, when in Wano, might have learned some of the Wano Country's martial arts since he wears the kimonos and yutakas, for example.. However, the primary bare-handed style real-life Samurai used is Jujutsu. And Oda doesn't really do grappling in fights. Point in case, Jesus Burgess.
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I mean, it happened, so that's that, but like… What about when Sanji joined the crew way back when?
Y'know I actually forgot about that, but things we're a lot less complicated in East Blue. Like I said, I can't really put my finger on why it would feel weird to me here and now.
Maybe a collection of the weight of a new member in the New World, Jinbei specifically, him being so strong and knowledgeable, and maybe even him having such a high bounty. I dunno.
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@S.C.:
Sorry, bud, I realized what I was trying to say wasn't coming across right. Let's take it again from the top.
I was wondering if Jinbei, when in Wano, might have learned some of the Wano Country's martial arts since he wears the kimonos and yutakas, for example.. However, the primary bare-handed style real-life Samurai used is Jujutsu. And Oda doesn't really do grappling in fights. Point in case, Jesus Burgess.
Didn't Señor Pink use grappling though? On Franky's back?
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
Didn't Señor Pink use grappling though? On Franky's back?
Oh yeah, the German Suplexes. Then the fight got manly, and he ditched it. A shame.
I mean, I suppose a human style of the fantastical nature of what Fishman Jujutsu is would be grabbing the air itself and making the shockwaves, but really, I am saying this because I hope Oda doesn't just have every toshiro, daisuke and hiroshi (tom, dick and harry) just armed with katanas, since he only mentioned them thus far as a nation of swordsmen. It would feel kinda boring to me.
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Y'know I actually forgot about that, but things we're a lot less complicated in East Blue. Like I said, I can't really put my finger on why it would feel weird to me here and now.
Maybe a collection of the weight of a new member in the New World, Jinbei specifically, him being so strong and knowledgeable, and maybe even him having such a high bounty. I dunno.
Fair enough. I mean, I guess in the long-term, I'd prefer everyone else to be there as well. Even if I've become increasingly impatient…
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@S.C.:
Oh yeah, the German Suplexes. Then the fight got manly, and he ditched it. A shame.
I mean, I suppose a human style of the fantastical nature of what Fishman Jujutsu is would be grabbing the air itself and making the shockwaves, but really, I am saying this because I hope Oda doesn't just have every toshiro, daisuke and hiroshi (tom, dick and harry) just armed with katanas, since he only mentioned them thus far as a nation of swordsmen. It would feel kinda boring to me.
That's already redundant since Jinbe uses water vapor in the air to create shockwave attacks. They should just know Fishman Karate. Hell, maybe Fishman Karate originated there and somebody, either Jinbe or his sensei, learned it and maybe improved it when bringing it to Fishman Island. Sort of a reverse Mantra is Haki reveal.
We'll probably have ninjas and Yokai too at the least. "Samurai" only seems to be an overall term than the specific "EVERYBODY BE SWORDSMAN" thing.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
That's already redundant since Jinbe uses water vapor in the air to create shockwave attacks. They should just know Fishman Karate. Hell, maybe Fishman Karate originated there and somebody, either Jinbe or his sensei, learned it and maybe improved it when bringing it to Fishman Island. Sort of a reverse Mantra is Haki reveal.
We'll probably have ninjas and Yokai too at the least. "Samurai" only seems to be an overall term than the specific "EVERYBODY BE SWORDSMAN" thing.
Let's hope, huh?
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@Count:
That's already redundant since Jinbe uses water vapor in the air to create shockwave attacks. They should just know Fishman Karate. Hell, maybe Fishman Karate originated there and somebody, either Jinbe or his sensei, learned it and maybe improved it when bringing it to Fishman Island. Sort of a reverse Mantra is Haki reveal.
We'll probably have ninjas and Yokai too at the least. "Samurai" only seems to be an overall term than the specific "EVERYBODY BE SWORDSMAN" thing.
What do you mean by Yokai? Demons from Wano?
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What do you mean by Yokai? Demons from Wano?
Japanese spirits and demons like the one he made for a Wano-themed color spread. I don't remember the rest of the context. I just know it had a princely guy and aa flying fire tiger or lion Yokai.
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@Count:
We'll probably have ninjas and Yokai too at the least. "Samurai" only seems to be an overall term than the specific "EVERYBODY BE SWORDSMAN" thing.
While all those things are a given, what I'm really curious about is what Oda is going to do to be unusual and add that OP flavor. ANy manga can do ninjas, samurai and yokai…. but OP should have something different.
For instance the Alice in Wonderland arc was mixed in with a sentai group. The token tournament arc was mixed up by being a giant free for all rather than just typical shonen 1 on 1 fights for a year. Mad scientist island was half fire half ice and switched the crew's bodies around. What's Oda going to do that we don't expect?
Someone at somepoint suggested Vegapunk hanging out on Wano and I think that'd be great, the high tech guy amongst all that, robots amongst the ninjas, but don't think it quite fits given Wano is so isolated. So, I have no idea.
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Maybe new Pacifista versions invading. If it turns out Drake was a double agent for the WG.
He seemed to be more informed about them than a regular marine during Shabondy. Might have been a slight foreshadowing.
Don't like what that possibility would mean for the overall arc complexity.
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Also, as I keep saying, Jinbe has probably been in Wano before. Having Jimbei there would take out a tiny bit of the "ooh, new and all surprise!" factor. That alone isn't enough to keep him out, but there might also be some issue or backstory bit that Jinbe could resolve in two seconds, while NOT having Jimbei there can lead to reveals and developments. Or friends (or enemies) of his, fishman dojo wano edition, something.
No idea what those things could be other than ties to Ace, but there it is.
But that is the same with pedro, pekoms, jimbe in cake Island. All used to be here before but didn't spoil anything. Oda can easily find a way around it, not to mention you got the momonosuke and his samurai that if they meet at the start of wano will spoil everything. Not that they should have much room to explore, since this is a war with kaidou, unless wano is separated in many islands like totland.
Also zou and the samurais, how important the meeting between minks and samurais was and oda left them for most of the arc at the entrance.
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Honestly, I'd be pretty amazed if Oda presented Wano in its most japanese essence as possible. Very realistic and down to earth. That would be a new challenge for him as an author and it would make Wano more distinct than anywhere else in One Piece just for its sheer veracity. By the way, the plot itself is very close some moments in japanese history, so I'd love to feel like I'm trapped in the narrow streets from old Kyoto.
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@Count:
Recruiting Jinbe on its own isn't something I think is an issue since Sanji joined while everybody else was on Nami's island. And I don't the crew ever celebrated Sanji's joining. Of course, Oda might regret that in hindsight. The real issue is everything Robby said and maybe the tonal clash with this arc ending as The Emperor Strikes Back.
The first real "crewmember celebration" was on ch100 (or nearby). The barrel, and feets and the dreams and the calm line and stuff.
Zoro was just like "cool, you are with me", Nami's first was "It's not like I'm joining you for real", Usopp was him declaring himself the captain and jumping in, Sanji was the fractured crew and the deep bow and "thanks for everything!!!" to Zeff, and Nami's second was like "Of course I'm going with you, stupid!".
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Well, the Cocoyashi village party counts, but that's 3 (4 if you count Nami twice) times that someone joined and they barelly celebrated.
