Can Jimbei stop throwing up massive death flags for one second? Also, he just did a last minute-cavalry-rescue this arc is it really necessary for him to do it again in Wano?
STOP DELAYING AND JOIN ALREADY!
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I'm contemplating whether I'd prefer it if:
-Jinbe wasn't specifically asked to join the crew way back in FI, and it wouldn't be brought up til Wano where he'll join for good (hopefully). More fun to spend years speculating over him than just waiting for him.
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-Jinbe just joined in FI. Just make a few adjustments to the story (Big Mom already has that poneglyph he gave her, he can buzz off with the Swirly Hats in Dressrosa, maybe he goes back to Whole Cake when they take Sanji, and he keeps the whole thing hidden from Big Mom til the wedding)
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I'm contemplating whether I'd prefer it if:
-Jinbe wasn't specifically asked to join the crew way back in FI, and it wouldn't be brought up til Wano where he'll join for good (hopefully). More fun to spend years speculating over him than just waiting for him.
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-Jinbe just joined in FI. Just make a few adjustments to the story (Big Mom already has that poneglyph he gave her, he can buzz off with the Swirly Hats in Dressrosa, maybe he goes back to Whole Cake when they take Sanji, and he keeps the whole thing hidden from Big Mom til the wedding)
Honestly, the way it was done was perfect. He made his declaration in the middle of the high stakes wedding crash. It was an unambiguous shift in allegiance and it felt like a huge moment in the series. He should just have started appearing in the colour spreads at that point, I don't know why Oda is dragging his feet.
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It's funny seeing people waving death flags for Jinbei again, I think Oda simply wants to wait for the crew to all be together before officially having Jinbei join the crew. End of the Wano arc will have the big celebration everyone is waiting for.
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If this was at least raising death flags, even if fake death flags, I could say it had an interesting reason to happen. But I didn't read that way, we are sure they are meeting. Is just annoying at this point to go back to Jinbe leaving again so he can join later, we already moved past that point (like, literally, that point already happened before).
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@LUFFY#1:
It's funny seeing people waving death flags for Jinbei again, I think Oda simply wants to wait for the crew to all be together before officially having Jinbei join the crew. End of the Wano arc will have the big celebration everyone is waiting for.
Yeah I think this confirm my idea of wano having to have a happy end because (IIRC either Kira or Access having trouble remembering which one stated this) if wano is gonna be invaded by blackbeard while the strawhats are still there and they have to flee that's obviously gonna put a huge damper on jinbe's joining party and everyone has had one except maybe Zoro, but I guess they kind kicked back a few cold ones in Shells Town.
Nami had the big one at arlong park and Sanji kind of fits into the fold since the story shifted to the Arlong Park arc so soon afterwards.
Chopper had his after drum, robin after enies lobby, and then when they left enies lobby usopp got his too along with Franky and finally Brook after TB -
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Oh wow, I know Jinbe was hyped up here but I forgot Ace was mentioned too.
Edit: HEY WAIT A SECOND
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No one from the last arc is joining, same way no one from the equally long Dresserossa is joining.
Hey, you forgot Ji-
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Is it weird how little of Carrot we're seeing at what should be really pivotal, emotional moments?
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Jinbei is from like 8 arcs ago.
Oh I see, I misinterpreted. The joke was about how after this chapter not even Jinbe joined "after" this arc.
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A personal, completely biased, NN-related observation of the last chapter:
! This is not a real point to be used in any argument, but I was curious about this chapter. I was expecting this chapter to be the last before the SH left WCI and in my mind the question it would answer was "will Carrot have the same fate as Pekoms and Pedro?"
! In my mind I am sure that if Oda doesn't plan to have Carrot joining, she will have the same fate as the two. If he didn't want her to join, I was betting in this chapter we would either see Pedro and/or Pekoms coming back and rejoining the SH as they go to Wano, or we would have Carrot staying behind like Pedro and Pekoms so the SH could advance. But as it stands now, it seems she will be advancing along with them while the two guys will stay behind and, in my eyes, this difference is important.
! The panel where Jinbe says he will stay behind, I was sure Carrot would just step forward and sacrifice in his place. I mean, it was a very weird panel: you have Jinbe and Luffy as they stand back-to-back, then Chopper is shaded as if to highlight Luffy and Jinbe are the focus of the panel, you would except Carrot to also be shaded but she seems to be focused on as well as she suddenly stands up and looks at Jinbe's back. At that moment I was like "oh, fuck… she will do it"... gladly she didn't, but I was too annoyed by Oda removing Jinbe from the group again to properly enjoy it.
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Is it weird how little of Carrot we're seeing at what should be really pivotal, emotional moments?
Brook and Chopper didn't get much to do either, and Chopper didn't even get a line.
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Seriously, someone chain Jinbei to the mast next time they see him.
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I swear the face Jimbei is making when he kind of looks down while Luffy glares at him is the same face Oda was making when he drew that scene. Oda is like I know the fans are going to be looking at me like this for a little while. I trust he's got an interesting reason or pay off but man! I want it now!!!!
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@LUFFY#1:
I think Oda simply wants to wait for the crew to all be together before officially having Jinbei join the crew. End of the Wano arc will have the big celebration everyone is waiting for.
@Long:
Yeah I think this confirm my idea of wano having to have a happy end because (IIRC either Kira or Access having trouble remembering which one stated this) if wano is gonna be invaded by blackbeard while the strawhats are still there and they have to flee that's obviously gonna put a huge damper on jinbe's joining party and everyone has had one except maybe Zoro, but I guess they kind kicked back a few cold ones in Shells Town.
Although it's probably not going to happen, I hope Jimbei arrives in Wano and meets up with the strawhats the night before the big battle against Kaido starts and they just celebrate his joining then.
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Is it weird how little of Carrot we're seeing at what should be really pivotal, emotional moments?
She's more present this chapter than Sanji, Brook, and Chopper.
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It would be funny if jinbe died but Pedro was still alive…
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The wiki doesn't mean squat and it's wrong all the time about all sorts of things. (Like they inisted Koala was a boy or that Sabo was dead or that Kyros killed Doflamingo…)
But yes, Luffy says he's the captain, its official in all but party now.
She's more present this chapter than Sanji, Brook, and Chopper.
Not really. I had to go back and look to see what the hell you people were talking about.
Chopper is in 6 panels, Carrot is in 4. Brook and Sanji are in 3 panels. None of them are given any real focus.
Nami is in 4 and the only one with dialogue.
If you want to count her being a scribble mess in the far back of one shot putting her ahead of the others, okay, but she really wasn't any more present or showing anything more than any of the others.
It would be funny if jinbe died but Pedro was still alive…
Any chance of Pedro being dead went down to zero when we also left Pekoms behind. No way TWO characters from Zou are sacrificial dying. (Plus Pound and the Gemma and etc.) If that one of BM's kids is alive and well in this chapter then….
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People, last two chapters had no focus on any of the Strawhats besides Luffy and Jimbe, so let's not make assumptions regarding Carrot based on that. It's normal that each chapter will have a particular subject and Oda will keep the attention only in the essential characters for that development in 17 pages.
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Jinbe's dream is to join the strawhats so he wont join until raftel. :ninja:
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The wiki updated:
https://i.redditmedia.com/2gLM7kQTnV1WJaw89k31XJySzSaCKhJ1KB9IHNYh-Zk.png?w=629&https://i.redditmedia.com/2gLM7kQTnV1WJaw89k31XJySzSaCKhJ1KB9IHNYh-Zk.png?w=629&https://i.imgur.com/SlEzwbQ.png….Why is Robin's facial pic not from the anime?
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I haven't watched anime since Dressrosa, but she was ugly af.
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Has anyone else noticed that Jimbe had character development in chapter 901? I think this is the first he says he won't die, that he won't sacrifice himself.
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@Long:
Jinbe's dream is to join the strawhats so he wont join until raftel. :ninja:
you may be on to something here
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The wiki doesn't mean squat and it's wrong all the time about all sorts of things. (Like they inisted Koala was a boy or that Sabo was dead or that Kyros killed Doflamingo…)
But yes, Luffy says he's the captain, its official in all but party now.
Not really. I had to go back and look to see what the hell you people were talking about.
Chopper is in 6 panels, Carrot is in 4. Brook and Sanji are in 3 panels. None of them are given any real focus.
Nami is in 4 and the only one with dialogue.
If you want to count her being a scribble mess in the far back of one shot putting her ahead of the others, okay, but she really wasn't any more present or showing anything more than any of the others.
Any chance of Pedro being dead went down to zero when we also left Pekoms behind. No way TWO characters from Zou are sacrificial dying. (Plus Pound and the Gemma and etc.) If that one of BM's kids is alive and well in this chapter then....
Well its a lot more likely they had time to revive John Travolta than guys like opera, pound and pedro, The charlottes arent taking their time to help revive everybody. At least not yet.
Also I feel big mom still has a role to play because Greg hyped this cake up and for it to not payoff more than it did would be disappointing IMO
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Felres, I wouldn't mind that if it were true. Although not sure about Monet. Not shooting Monet down, but rather unsure as I don't remember much about her or seem to have an idea as why she should be a straw hat.
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Actually since the wiki has been brought up, @ whoever writes the stuff on there since surely they post here too - please use less jargon and get to the point. Do we really need a detailed description of every outfit they wear and an overly descriptive wall of text for every chapter? And this - ""Knight of the Sea" Jinbe is a member of the Straw Hat Pirates, having served predominantly as a helmsman in his current capacity with them" - what on earth is that, just say "Jinbe is the helmsman of the Straw Hat Pirates", come on now, write practically.
Anyways I still don't consider him official til he's at least in Straw Hat colourspreads.
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I’m surprised Kaidou made that edit. Anyway the wiki as no editor in chief and then run to who edit the fatest that’s why it’s a mess most of the time. But it’s still usefull to search information
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Based on all the shit Jimbe gets EVEN now, there is no way the last nakama is someone new to the manga that just shows up and joins like that. Like no way, it has to be someone we already know and it established in the manga.
And the fact that jimbe's proper final join is saved for wano, it makes it unlikely that someone else will join in wano( if he will be there, that is something else). So I think it's related to the WG- revolutionaries-maybe vegapunk plot arc.
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Pekoms has been in every arc post time skip
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@uniaka:
And the fact that jimbe's proper final join is saved for wano, it makes it unlikely that someone else will join in wano
There's apparently going to be another colour spread next chapter. We'll find out if the "I'm your captain!" moment finally made it official in Oda's eyes. Looking back, Luffy never actually said that Jimbei was now part of the crew when he made his declaration. So this may be the exact moment Oda's been waiting for to consider Jimbei as an official Strawhat.
"I'm your captain" is a much more definitive statement than, "I intend to join Luffy, and I quit your crew".
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@uniaka:
Based on all the shit Jimbe gets EVEN now, there is no way the last nakama is someone new to the manga that just shows up and joins like that. Like no way, it has to be someone we already know and it established in the manga.
That's a poor thing to base it on and that just doesn't logically follow anyway.
And the fact that jimbe's proper final join is saved for wano, it makes it unlikely that someone else will join in wano ( if he will be there, that is something else). So I think it's related to the WG- revolutionaries-maybe vegapunk plot arc.
Again, how does that follow? Besides, Wano's probably going to be either multiple arcs or just a stepping-stone into a larger Kaido saga. It would be insane to think it would be less lengthy than Tottoland.
Fan reaction to a nakama is meaningless, before and after (which isn't the same as the objective analysis of the known criteria the bulk of them needed to qualify). Brook still annoys me a little but he's not going anywhere. Jimbei's practically flawless by comparison and Luffy's just made the official declaration, calling himself Jimbei's captain now, in spite of them separating for the moment. If anything Jimbei's absence frees up a new nakama space to avoid having two people joining at the same time and diminishing the other newcomer's welcoming party. Although it would be a little hollow to do it now when half the crew is absent. Wano actually makes more sense for a new nakama to join, either before or after Jimbei returns now that he should be sticking around permanently (given that his joining technically happened when the whole crew was together in Fishman Island when Luffy asked him and he basically said yes, he just needed to take care of business first).
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That's a poor thing to base it on and that just doesn't logically follow anyway.
How so? We see with jimbe what a new nakama needs these days before he gets in the crew, so why would you think that someone can just show up out of nothing and join? He also lacks the 2 years of time skip, jimbe was in impel down, marineford, then with fishman Island and cake Island, cover story yet he still only goes in the crew(for good, maybe) in wano.
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Actually since the wiki has been brought up, @ whoever writes the stuff on there since surely they post here too - please use less jargon and get to the point. Do we really need a detailed description of every outfit they wear and an overly descriptive wall of text for every chapter? And this - ""Knight of the Sea" Jinbe is a member of the Straw Hat Pirates, having served predominantly as a helmsman in his current capacity with them" - what on earth is that, just say "Jinbe is the helmsman of the Straw Hat Pirates", come on now, write practically.
Anyways I still don't consider him official til he's at least in Straw Hat colourspreads.
We describe outfits because outfits are part of a character's appearance. Physical traits always come first anyways so if you don't want to read about clothes then you can just skip it.
We don't describe Jinbe as the helmsman of the Straw Hat Pirates because, as likely as it'll be, he hasn't undertaken a voyage with the whole crew yet. We have actually gotten people who think labeling him as a helmsman is in and of itself speculative so it's a good middle ground.
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@S.C.:
….Why is Robin's facial pic not from the anime?
It mainly came from some users' concerns over the difference in her eye color years and years ago. At this point, nobody really cares about that anymore but as Razh alluded to, it's a tad difficult finding an appealing anime portrait of her :P
(Luffy's portrait is actually from the manga too)
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Use the real one
That not the real one either…. after all we know the wedding did go through long enough that Sanji & Pudding was declared man & wife so she should be called Vinsmoke Pudding, not by her maternal name Charlotte. Or since Charlotte is the more powerful family should it be Charlotte Sanji ;)
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@S.C.:
….Why is Robin's facial pic not from the anime?
I think it's because her eye colour is different in the anime (blue as opposed to brown) and they want to go with the most canon colours.
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That not the real one either…. after all we know the wedding did go through long enough that Sanji & Pudding was declared man & wife so she should be called Vinsmoke Pudding, not by her maternal name Charlotte. Or since Charlotte is the more powerful family should it be Charlotte Sanji ;)
You know what if Pudding did ask, Sanji would take Pudding name.
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That not the real one either…. after all we know the wedding did go through long enough that Sanji & Pudding was declared man & wife so she should be called Vinsmoke Pudding, not by her maternal name Charlotte. Or since Charlotte is the more powerful family should it be Charlotte Sanji ;)
It's canon that the Charlotte wives keep their last names for life. But since Pudding is a bit of a rebel, she and Sanji will combine their last names to become the Charsmokes.
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Use the real one
That's missing Paulie, Perona, Hancock, Ivankov, Hody Jones, Caribou, Bartolomeo, Cavendish, Rebecca, Leo, and….
Potentially 100 other "Straw Hats". :ninja:
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@Kaido:
We describe outfits because outfits are part of a character's appearance. Physical traits always come first anyways so if you don't want to read about clothes then you can just skip it.
We don't describe Jinbe as the helmsman of the Straw Hat Pirates because, as likely as it'll be, he hasn't undertaken a voyage with the whole crew yet. We have actually gotten people who think labeling him as a helmsman is in and of itself speculative so it's a good middle ground.
But outfit pictures make those excess descriptions completely redundant. Like a basic description of their overall look and general style, okay, but a paragraph for every arc outfit, really? Being speculative of his position also makes no sense since he was already described as a helmsman and it's not even really speculation at this point. Then there's currently tons of speculation over whether or not Jinbe counts as a Straw Hat officially now but you guys let that one slide. So arbitrary over there, that's why it's an unreliable wiki.
That not the real one either…. after all we know the wedding did go through long enough that Sanji & Pudding was declared man & wife so she should be called Vinsmoke Pudding, not by her maternal name Charlotte. Or since Charlotte is the more powerful family should it be Charlotte Sanji ;)
Then it's decided - Elbaf is the divorce arc.
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Then it's decided - Elbaf is the divorce arc.
Nah its true love, neither could handle a divorce.
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Then it's decided - Elbaf is the divorce arc.
Nah its true love, neither could handle a divorce.
Even though it was probably a joke and his crew is already completed, I remember somebody bringing up how Pudding could join Blackbeard's crew to decipher the path to Raftel and fight either Sanji or Robin at the end of the series. That would be great in an alternate universe where One Piece's women could actually fight well.
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@uniaka:
How so? We see with jimbe what a new nakama needs these days before he gets in the crew, so why would you think that someone can just show up out of nothing and join? He also lacks the 2 years of time skip, jimbe was in impel down, marineford, then with fishman Island and cake Island, cover story yet he still only goes in the crew(for good, maybe) in wano.
The "they lack X experience" thing doesn't hold up because you can draw the line anywhere. They didn't fight Buggy, they weren't at Arlong Park, they didn't meet Laboon, they didn't beat Crocodile, they didn't go to Skypeia… etc. ANd given that the two latest arcs split the crews in half so both sides missed out on experiences, The newest person is always going to have missed something.
Heck, if you made the requirement "they met Gaimon" that would only apply to Luffy and Nami, and in the anime Usopp, but not to Zoro. That's an entire adventure Zoro missed... that he was there for! And Usopp only did in one continuity!
That said, the timeskip is kind of a biggie to miss, and just in the scale and scope of how much series will remain, after beating the first emporer in Wano will be a bit late. So there is a remaining window that makes sense as a reasonable final cutoff, but the "they didn't do X" argument doesn't hold.