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      Never got why people got so hung up over Jinbe's personality, especially with acting as if that's going to magically erase how obvious it was that he was eventually going to join. It doesn't matter who you are, no one is immune to the Straw Hat's rhythm.

      No one.

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      Whatever Oda plans on doing with him regarding the group dynamic, I never saw any cause to worry.

      I agree with you. It would also be interesting to see the Straw Hats draw him in to their antics. He seems like a mellow person but I can see him going with the flow, which would be interesting to see how it would reflect on him as a character.

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        I think it's more that Robin and Zoro have more interesting personalities fleshed out beyond their seriousness. Robin has this motherly, intellectual, and creepy side to her. Zoro has his training, bickering, and love of a challenge. Jinbe is just plain serious and never anything else. He's boring. I don't need him to have silly gags or anything, but I can't imagine him relaxing and having a casual conversation with Chopper or Franky.

        Jinbe has had plenty of gags, some of them subtle, and even his share of facefaults. And his entire arc has been that he has "never done anything for himself." Once he settles into the crew he'll show some more personal touches.

        Robin was basically a completely out of place outsider that didn't fit the crew at all for like 200 chapters… it wasn't till Thriller Bark she started really showing a personality and mingling... and Brook still has troubles with fitting and he's been around for 10 years himself.

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          Jinbe has had plenty of gags, some of them subtle, and even his share of facefaults. And his entire arc has been that he has "never done anything for himself." Once he settles into the crew he'll show some more personal touches.

          Robin was basically a completely out of place outsider that didn't fit the crew at all for like 200 chapters… it wasn't till Thriller Bark she started really showing a personality and mingling... and Brook still has troubles with fitting and he's been around for 10 years himself.

          But those things still haven't made Jinbe entertaining. Even his light gags are boring. With Robin, at least she was interesting on her own and being an outsider worked because it gave her this mysterious air, and then she got even more interesting after EL when she relaxed and became more expressive. Jinbe doesn't have that. He started out boring, every development has been boring, and all fleshing out has been boring. I'm doubting it will be much better after he actually joins, but gosh I hope it does. And whether or not you think Brook fits in with the crew at this point, he's easily got one of the most enjoyable personalities of the regular cast.

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            That's down to just being your opinion then. I think he's been plenty fun and entertaining, not "boring" at all. Subdued, sure, but not boring.

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              The thing I like the most about Jinbe is that he and Luffy feel like legitimate close friends. Like Jinbe is that dude you run to for advice and to get that kick in the ass you need. You could argue Luffy had that in Zoro but… Zoro is borderline just as dumb as Luffy. =P

              You can feel the respect they have for each other and I think that it's wonderful. Plus, I know for a fact that he's going to get plenty of Nami, Robin and Chopper interactions. He'd even mingle well with Franky because of Tom, and Brook because they're both old timers.

              I'm not worried about the dynamics at all, honestly. Jinbe has just, unfortunately, been in mostly serious situations since his introduction. The guy hasn't had too many opportunities to breathe.

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                Dont worry jinbe will plenty of time to kick back during wa…no...

                Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                  Fujitora will join. His color will be none, as he is color blind.

                  And blind.

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                      So Im a lot lower on carrot than I was 6-7 chapters ago, but anyway I noticed this while reading someones liveblog on tumblr

                      This doesnt mean anything I just think its interesting how she is there as luffy says "then well go quietly" and for all the theory crafting done on youtube nobody used this panel as a hint carrot would show up. Oda really has a gift at sneaking things in.

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                      So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                        Brulée is the most use full nakama in this chapter

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                          … and Brook still has troubles with fitting and he's been around for 10 years himself.

                          Gotta feel bad for Brook. He joins officially at the end of Thriller Bark, they have a quick arc where they're all annihilated and sent their seperate ways, then he's missing for the next three arcs, returns after the timeskip still not really feeling like a Strawhat, is left alone during Punk Hazard for the first half, missing from Dressrosa(outside one fight with Jora) and only now, ten odd years into his Straw Hat initiation is he getting any focus or being able to shine at all.

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                            But boy, has he been using this time to shine! He was the MVP of the earlier part of the arc, when it was still a "stealth" hit and run mission about stealing poneglyphs.

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                              Yea, this arc has been glorious in making me love Brook.

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                                Breaking the Mother Caramel picture and then accidentally terrifying the underworld dealers of the New World was fantastic. Brook for life. 😛

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                                  All Brook needs now is a complete combat showing that isn't off-paneled. I still won't get over how his fight with Big Mom got completely skipped lol.

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                                  "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                    All Brook needs now is a complete combat showing that isn't off-paneled. I still won't get over how his fight with Big Mom got completely skipped lol.

                                    Especially now that we've seen her rampage, I would have loved to see how Brook held his ground. :wub:

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                                      Jinbe is a close second for MVP. He's had his fair share of clutch moments in this arc as well.

                                      "The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"

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                                        I'd love to see Brook talking up his tale of fighting Big Mom. Him describing how hard he fought for their mission to get the Poneglyph rubs, to keep them hidden while fighting her.

                                        And then flashback to what actually happened, with him getting one or two blows in, Mama rampaging, and Brook running and screaming for dear life. She commends him for putting up a tough fight and takes him.

                                        But yeah, really sucks that we've been skipping a lot of these cool moments.

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                                          Pekoms will join. Pedros death is leading to that directly.

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                                            Part of me feels like oda should have slowed 847-856 and sped up the chase scene by a bit but I love most of the chase scene so Idk what od even take out

                                            Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                                            So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                                              Pekoms will join. Pedros death is leading to that directly.

                                              I like how his role so far this arc is just react to stuff lol

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                                                I like how his role so far this arc is just react to stuff lol

                                                Yet Oda is still reminding us about him, he hyped a bit his DF power abd we havent seen Pekoms having any Real fight. We were given his bounty, seen his hometown and got his friend dying.
                                                He is Strawhat material and he is going to Wano in Pedros place.

                                                Also Oda hinted through Pedros words that Pekoms has some specific tendencies that we are yet to see.

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                                                  Yeah the whole, Pedro is going to keep Pekoms under control never amounted to anything.

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                                                    Yet Oda is still reminding us about him, he hyped a bit his DF power abd we havent seen Pekoms having any Real fight. We were given his bounty, seen his hometown and got his friend dying.
                                                    He is Strawhat material and he is going to Wano in Pedros place.

                                                    Also Oda hinted through Pedros words that Pekoms has some specific tendencies that we are yet to see.

                                                    Oh lol, I actually thought you were messing around. Uh, on my end, really hard to give him any real consideration until he does something tangible this arc that would count as him betraying the BM Pirates. So far, it's like, he's grateful and all, and he's mourning Pedro's death and all… but he's still very much loyal to her.

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                                                      Yeah I don't see how Pekoms is a Strawhat candidate when Carrot's the one given the "passing of the torch" over from Pedro.

                                                      I like Pekoms, don't get me wrong, he's a fun character. But he's firmly integrated into the Big Mom crew. After getting shot by Bege, he could have stayed on Zou if that's what he really wanted to do, which he didn't.

                                                      If Carrot is sticking around, I imagine she'll fight Pekoms in a future arc when Luffy does a re-match with Big Mom.

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                                                        Pedro would not want to Carrot and Pekoms fight.

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                                                          Can anyone give me counterarguments to Vivi re-joining after the reverie?

                                                          With Jinbei filling one of last two vacancies, I just see her as only option at this point.

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                                                            She has a responsibility with her country.

                                                            Her father is sick and is about to ask to be shot by asking too many questions about the Poneglyphs.

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                                                              Can anyone give me counterarguments to Vivi re-joining after the reverie?

                                                              With Jinbei filling one of last two vacancies, I just see her as only option at this point.

                                                              Luffy said he wanted at least 10 crew members. So it could be 10 or more.

                                                              I think most people believe that it'll be Luffy and his 10 strawhats vs. BB and his 10 titanic captains. But we're not guaranteed 1 v 1 fights for everyone and the total count for "BB and his 10 commanders" could easily change. Is Aokiji one of the captains or is his just an ally? Will Aokiji fight alongside them or eventually betray them? Is Strong included in BB's crew strength?

                                                              I'm now more inclined to believe that it'll be Luffy (#1) + 11 nakama + the Sunny (#13) as the numbering of the Soldier Dock system makes no sense post-TS. The default is 1 and 3 which is pretty consistent. It only made sense pre-TS with the dual "0" channel docks (012034…). I don't even know what the ordering is now, I think it's 125346. Obviously "56" is symbolic as it reads "gomu". The "13" will probably end up being symbolic for the ship being the 13th member -- the most forgotten nakama -- and the total crew count (including the ship).

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                                                              We also never got the Strawhats zodiac animal signs in the SBS which I imagine someone would have asked at some point when we already have horoscope-type stuff like their blood type personality traits. Obviously Luffy is Monkey and Zoro is Tiger. If Oda included it in the SBS it'd be a major spoiler for crew count (12, not including the ship).

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                                                                @K.:

                                                                She has a responsibility with her country.

                                                                Her father is sick and is about to ask to be shot by asking too many questions about the Poneglyphs.

                                                                In all seriousness can't she just take a vacation..

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                                                                Luffy said he wanted at least 10 crew members. So it could be 10 or more.

                                                                I think most people believe that it'll be Luffy and his 10 strawhats vs. BB and his 10 titanic captains. But we're not guaranteed 1 v 1 fights for everyone and the total count for "BB and his 10 commanders" could easily change. Is Aokiji one of the captains or is his just an ally? Will Aokiji fight alongside them or eventually betray them? Is Strong included in BB's crew strength?

                                                                I'm now more inclined to believe that it'll be Luffy (#1) + 11 nakama + the Sunny (#13) as the numbering of the Soldier Dock system makes no sense post-TS. The default is 1 and 3 which is pretty consistent. It only made sense pre-TS with the dual "0" channel docks (012034…). I don't even know what the ordering is now, I think it's 125346. Obviously "56" is symbolic as it reads "gomu". The "13" will probably end up being symbolic for the ship being the 13th member -- the most forgotten nakama -- and the total crew count (including the ship).

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                                                                We also never got the Strawhats zodiac animal signs in the SBS which I imagine someone would have asked at some point when we already have horoscope-type stuff like their blood type personality traits. Obviously Luffy is Monkey and Zoro is Tiger. If Oda included it in the SBS it'd be a major spoiler for crew count (12, not including the ship).

                                                                But at least 10 means exactly 10.. Oda might not have fixed the number from the start but he probably decided to kept that number somewhere along, it's monumental. I think it has become much more clear since we've got this far into the story without a new nakama.

                                                                It might defeat the whole purpose of the thread but I just don't see a newly introduced characters joining with presumably only two arcs left before we reach the end. Neither does it look like Oda will give such a dedication as a flashback with whole arc revolving around him/her to a new character, which has been the case for the rest of strawhats. He's already got remaining Supernovas and whole shenanigans he's laid down to resolve y'know.

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                                                                  But at least 10 means exactly 10.

                                                                  It does not.

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                                                                  It might defeat the whole purpose of the thread but I just don't see a newly introduced characters joining with presumably only two arcs left before we reach the end. Neither does it look like Oda will give such a dedication as a flashback with whole arc revolving around him/her to a new character, which has been the case for the rest of strawhats. He's already got remaining Supernovas and whole shenanigans he's laid down to resolve y'know.

                                                                  There are clearly more than 2 arcs left. Reverie, Wano, Elbaf, Shanks/BB/Raftel stuff, Final War. Maybe even a Vegapunk/Moon arc.

                                                                  I think people just have gotten used to the fact that most Strawhats joined during the same arc as their introduction and at a time when arcs where shorter. Jinbe is clearly joining after almost 9 years since his introduction. He's been in multiple arcs now. I suspect the remaining Strawhats will tag along for a few arcs before officially joining, allowing Oda to carefully write their way into the crew. That's one of the reasons why I see Carrot as the most likely to join after Jinbe since I would imagine she'll want to stick around until Big Mom's defeat which means she'll be with the crew for a very long time, beyond Wano arc.

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                                                                    In all seriousness can't she just take a vacation..

                                                                    A vacation to become a criminal? Doflamingo was allowed to be a king of a WB affiliated country because he was a Shichibukai, he was a pirate serving the WG, otherwise a pirate is just a criminal.

                                                                    The princess of a country becoming a pirate would negatively impact the country greatly, maybe even make the WG depose the family (the Nefeltari are one of the founding families, but they are not tenryuubito, so maybe they don't have many privileges). It is even worse giving Cobra's bad healthy and the prospect of Vivi having to succeed him as the queen soon (as far as we know, she could already be the acting queen depending on how bad his health is).

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                                                                      Luffy said he wanted at least 10 crew members. So it could be 10 or more.

                                                                      Actually the "at least" part only comes from a specific translation. Other translations, like the one from Viz, have said that Luffy thinks that "about" ten members would be fine.

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                                                                      I think most people believe that it'll be Luffy and his 10 strawhats vs. BB and his 10 titanic captains. But we're not guaranteed 1 v 1 fights for everyone and the total count for "BB and his 10 commanders" could easily change.

                                                                      But considering how much this series likes having 1v1 fights in arcs like Arlong Park, Alabasta, Enies Lobby, Fishman Island, and Dressrosa, it is very probable that we might see everybody get 1v1 fights. None of those arcs had EVERYBODY fight since there would always be one or two stragglers being captured or only fighting fodder. Yet we should remember that this is still an action-adventure shonen at the end of the day. It would make sense for Oda to go out on giving all of his beloved main characters a fight.

                                                                      And I don't think it's likely to change at all. Shonen antagonist groups that specify numbers like that in their titles never change the total number amount of their roster. They can decrease as they are defeated one by one, but they will never increase. You don't hype up how there are ten intimidating people only to bump that up to eleven or twelve for no reason, it's just weird.

                                                                      And Blackbeard appears so rarely that it's unlikely for him to want to recruit somebody new out of the blue after the timeskip. Especially when we still don't even know the new member who joined over the timeskip to make the crew have eleven members instead of ten.

                                                                      Is Aokiji one of the captains or is his just an ally? Will Aokiji fight alongside them or eventually betray them? Is Strong included in BB's crew strength?

                                                                      Definitely an ally. And he will definitely betray them. Oda isn't going to have Kuzan change from not liking Sakazuki's harsh methods of brutality to not minding Blackbeard until the end of the story lol. And Stronger is never listed as a character in any of the volume bios/table of contents when they include the Blackbeard Pirates. He didn't get his own title card either while Doc Q did. Stronger is only an accessory to Doc Q.

                                                                      I'm now more inclined to believe that it'll be Luffy (#1) + 11 nakama + the Sunny (#13) as the numbering of the Soldier Dock system makes no sense post-TS. The default is 1 and 3 which is pretty consistent. It only made sense pre-TS with the dual "0" channel docks (012034…). I don't even know what the ordering is now, I think it's 125346. Obviously "56" is symbolic as it reads "gomu". The "13" will probably end up being symbolic for the ship being the 13th member -- the most forgotten nakama -- and the total crew count (including the ship).

                                                                      Why does the Soldier Dock System have to matter at all when predicting how many crewmates there will be?

                                                                      We also never got the Strawhats zodiac animal signs in the SBS which I imagine someone would have asked at some point when we already have horoscope-type stuff like their blood type personality traits. Obviously Luffy is Monkey and Zoro is Tiger. If Oda included it in the SBS it'd be a major spoiler for crew count (12, not including the ship).

                                                                      That is also rather random.

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                                                                      In all seriousness can't she just take a vacation..

                                                                      Think about it like this. Wouldn't it be kind of lackluster if the Straw Hats are on their way to Raftel and declare their dreams around a barrel like the end of Loguetown only for Vivi to go "I want to protect and govern my kingdom, meaning that this crew is only a means to an end for me eventually leaving as I am obligated to my people more than myself or any of you." It stands out too much against how selfish each Straw Hat's reason for being on the ship is. And I also feel like it would sort of spit in the face of how significant the reason for Vivi staying behind in the first place was in wanting to be a princess for her kingdom. Having her still technically join near the end of the series feels like a token gesture without much meaning behind it besides fanservice.

                                                                      It might defeat the whole purpose of the thread but I just don't see a newly introduced characters joining with presumably only two arcs left before we reach the end. Neither does it look like Oda will give such a dedication as a flashback with whole arc revolving around him/her to a new character, which has been the case for the rest of strawhats. He's already got remaining Supernovas and whole shenanigans he's laid down to resolve y'know.

                                                                      You mean like how Brook joined in the arc right before the Straw Hats got separated for two years? And all of Fishman Island didn't revolve around Jimbei. If anything, Otohime and Fisher Tiger were more of the main focus while Jimbei was more of a witness that wants to preserve the legacy of their ideals. Also take note of how Water 7 and Enies Lobby balanced having flashbacks for both Franky and Robin.

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                                                                        I have to agree that the idea of Vivi taking a vacation seems really far fetched considering the setup there is with her father being sick and asking about the poneglyphs. He is almost begging to incur the wrath of the top brass of the government. It is almost like he will be the new Clover. I would see Vivi taking a bigger role in her country after the events of the Reverie.

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                                                                          Actually the "at least" part only comes from a specific translation. Other translations, like the one from Viz, have said that Luffy thinks that "about" ten members would be fine.

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                                                                          Fair enough but "about 10" still isn't "exactly 10". It's not a precise estimate.

                                                                          But considering how much this series likes having 1v1 fights in arcs like Arlong Park, Alabasta, Enies Lobby, Fishman Island, and Dressrosa, it is very probable that we might see everybody get 1v1 fights. None of those arcs had EVERYBODY fight since there would always be one or two stragglers being captured or only fighting fodder. Yet we should remember that this is still an action-adventure shonen at the end of the day. It would make sense for Oda to go out on giving all of his beloved main characters a fight.

                                                                          And I don't think it's likely to change at all. Shonen antagonist groups that specify numbers like that in their titles never change the total number amount of their roster. They can decrease as they are defeated one by one, but they will never increase. You don't hype up how there are ten intimidating people only to bump that up to eleven or twelve for no reason, it's just weird.

                                                                          And Blackbeard appears so rarely that it's unlikely for him to want to recruit somebody new out of the blue after the timeskip. Especially when we still don't even know the new member who joined over the timeskip to make the crew have eleven members instead of ten.

                                                                          Definitely an ally. And he will definitely betray them. Oda isn't going to have Kuzan change from not liking Sakazuki's harsh methods of brutality to not minding Blackbeard until the end of the story lol. And Stronger is never listed as a character in any of the volume bios/table of contents when they include the Blackbeard Pirates. He didn't get his own title card either while Doc Q did. Stronger is only an accessory to Doc Q.

                                                                          I don't like speculating about BB fights but I still think its a bit presumptuous that all the Strawhats will get 1 v 1 with BB pirates. It also doesn't take into account Grand Fleet and potential allies. Maybe I'm just sour but someone like Robin hasn't had a match up (and victory) with major member of an antagonist team in forever. She fought some nobody on Fishman Island. Bartolomeo ended up defeating Gladius instead of Robin. Kyros defeat Diamante, not Robin.

                                                                          Why does the Soldier Dock System have to matter at all when predicting how many crewmates there will be?

                                                                          Because it serves as a giant #13 assigned to the Sunny. Oda clearly hasn't shied away from assigning Strawhats numbers.

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                                                                          Pre-TS you had the 0 channels which were later replaced by Channel 5 and 6. After timeskip the soldier dock system appears to go (1)26(3)45–>1... "56" is clearly a symbolic number as it represents Luffy's devil fruit, something that even Oda uses from time-to-time such as the Mugiwara56 cover page that I posted above. If Oda wanted to assign the soldier dock channels into some logical pattern he could have easily done 123456-->1 or even 13(5)24(6)-->1 as it would retain the "56" symbol. Instead he keeps it (1)26(3)45-->(1) bucking any logical ordering of the soldier dock channels which leads me to believe #13 serves as symbolic purpose that has yet to be revealed.

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                                                                            Can anyone give me counterarguments to Vivi re-joining after the reverie?

                                                                            With Jinbei filling one of last two vacancies, I just see her as only option at this point.

                                                                            There's no reason at this point in time to think that she will join, simply because we're seeing her again. Once we finally get to the Reverie, things would have to go very, very wrong for her to have a chance at joining, and even then, it's very unlikely, because as already said, she has responsibilities to her country that don't just suddenly disappear because we want them to. Not to mention it undercuts what happened back at Alabasta when she decided to stay behind.

                                                                            On a smaller note, if it's revealed that she hasn't gotten any stronger, then that imo would be another knock against her.

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                                                                              Fair enough but "about 10" still isn't "exactly 10". It's not a precise estimate.

                                                                              I don't like speculating about BB fights but I still think its a bit presumptuous that all the Strawhats will get 1 v 1 with BB pirates. It also doesn't take into account Grand Fleet and potential allies. Maybe I'm just sour but someone like Robin hasn't had a match up (and victory) with major member of an antagonist team in forever. She fought some nobody on Fishman Island. Bartolomeo ended up defeating Gladius instead of Robin. Kyros defeat Diamante, not Robin.

                                                                              Because it serves as a giant #13 assigned to the Sunny. Oda clearly hasn't shied away from assigning Strawhats numbers.

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                                                                              Pre-TS you had the 0 channels which were later replaced by Channel 5 and 6. After timeskip the soldier dock system appears to go (1)26(3)45–>1... "56" is clearly a symbolic number as it represents Luffy's devil fruit, something that even Oda uses from time-to-time such as the Mugiwara56 cover page that I posted above. If Oda wanted to assign the soldier dock channels into some logical pattern he could have easily done 123456-->1 or even 13(5)24(6)-->1 as it would retain the "56" symbol. Instead he keeps it (1)26(3)45-->(1) bucking any logical ordering of the soldier dock channels which leads me to believe #13 serves as symbolic purpose that has yet to be revealed.

                                                                              But it is still an arbitrary number for the author to specify in the beginning of the story. Add in the Ten Titanic Captains and it's nearly confirmed we will have eleven members.

                                                                              Why does the Grand Fleet have to fight the main memberd of Blackbeard's crew? They only got fights in Dressrosa because half of the Straw Hat crew was gone. Have the Straw Hat alliss fight Blackbeard's allies.

                                                                              What you said about Robin is true. But I am still betting Oda will make an exception for the finale. She still fought Yama on Skypiea, even if that was over a decade ago.

                                                                              Okay, now I get what you mean with the 13. I still don't think that has an underlying meaning though.

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                                                                                Don't forget that the Strawhats have been depicted as a football team (soccer for Americans, but it's football 😉 ) in some specials as a recurring theme. Football teams have eleven members. It's a small hint I admit, but one that adds to the larger picture.

                                                                                Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. ![](images/smilies/ipb/wink.png "Wink")

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                                                                                  The fleet should help whatever is left of the revolutionary army against the government during the final war.

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                                                                                    Don't forget that the Strawhats have been depicted as a football team (soccer for Americans, but it's football 😉 ) in some specials as a recurring theme. Football teams have eleven members. It's a small hint I admit, but one that adds to the larger picture.

                                                                                    I mean, I've heard that before and I get what you're saying but I've never seen any reason why Oda couldn't make one of them a coach, a ref, or any benched/substitute players.

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                                                                                      I mean, I've heard that before and I get what you're saying but I've never seen any reason why Oda couldn't make one of them a coach, a ref, or any benched/substitute players.

                                                                                      I mean, I guess, but it makes sense for it to just focus on the players, i.e. the main characters lol

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                                                                                        There are clearly more than 2 arcs left. Reverie, Wano, Elbaf, Shanks/BB/Raftel stuff, Final War. Maybe even a Vegapunk/Moon arc.

                                                                                        I meant 2 arcs as in before Raftel and War, which still have a chance of recruit happening in.

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                                                                                        I think people just have gotten used to the fact that most Strawhats joined during the same arc as their introduction and at a time when arcs where shorter. Jinbe is clearly joining after almost 9 years since his introduction. He's been in multiple arcs now. I suspect the remaining Strawhats will tag along for a few arcs before officially joining, allowing Oda to carefully write their way into the crew. That's one of the reasons why I see Carrot as the most likely to join after Jinbe since I would imagine she'll want to stick around until Big Mom's defeat which means she'll be with the crew for a very long time, beyond Wano arc.

                                                                                        I think Jinbei joining testify to the point that term Nakama and its presence isn't something new characters can take lightly as. Jinbei has sat well with the readers and crew over the span of 9 years. Any new character will only have 2 arcs to build up this (Wanokuuni & Elbaf).

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                                                                                        A vacation to become a criminal? Doflamingo was allowed to be a king of a WB affiliated country because he was a Shichibukai, he was a pirate serving the WG, otherwise a pirate is just a criminal.

                                                                                        The princess of a country becoming a pirate would negatively impact the country greatly, maybe even make the WG depose the family (the Nefeltari are one of the founding families, but they are not tenryuubito, so maybe they don't have many privileges). It is even worse giving Cobra's bad healthy and the prospect of Vivi having to succeed him as the queen soon (as far as we know, she could already be the acting queen depending on how bad his health is).

                                                                                        Touche. I initially thought of 'nobody has to know' but it proabably cannot be helped once the war starts and shits hits the fan.

                                                                                        WG's influence over Nefelerti wouldn't matter though since they will soon cease to exist anyway either by Strawhats or Revolutionary. And I doubt Alabasta citizens are so heartless to abandon Netferti over stuff like that, beside they'd probably compromise to pirates have kidnapped her. I guess issue is that strong kick of conviction for Vivi to choose over her everything associated with Alabasta is absent atm.

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                                                                                        Think about it like this. Wouldn't it be kind of lackluster if the Straw Hats are on their way to Raftel and declare their dreams around a barrel like the end of Loguetown only for Vivi to go "I want to protect and govern my kingdom, meaning that this crew is only a means to an end for me eventually leaving as I am obligated to my people more than myself or any of you." It stands out too much against how selfish each Straw Hat's reason for being on the ship is. And I also feel like it would sort of spit in the face of how significant the reason for Vivi staying behind in the first place was in wanting to be a princess for her kingdom. Having her still technically join near the end of the series feels like a token gesture without much meaning behind it besides fanservice.

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                                                                                        There's no reason at this point in time to think that she will join, simply because we're seeing her again. Once we finally get to the Reverie, things would have to go very, very wrong for her to have a chance at joining, and even then, it's very unlikely, because as already said, she has responsibilities to her country that don't just suddenly disappear because we want them to. Not to mention it undercuts what happened back at Alabasta when she decided to stay behind.

                                                                                        Her goal is definitely something that needs to be resolved, or yeah maybe it's the very indication she won't be joining. But I'm not that bothered by her initial decision to stay in Alabasta. She has achieved her dream to become a princess, joining strawhats isn't at the expense her dream. Think of it as Crocus or Oden temporarily having joined Roger pirates. I'm not proposing that she'd join the crew out on a limb, but it's just that I see her as only possible Nakama material. So I hypothesis whatever criteria she lacks as a new Nakama. Hey she might just pick up her dream at Mariejois upon having witnessed the horrible social hierarchy, like abolition of Tenryubittos.

                                                                                        Besides, she did make a statement such as this, imagine Luffy's reaction when the two reunites after those words.

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                                                                                        You mean like how Brook joined in the arc right before the Straw Hats got separated for two years? And all of Fishman Island didn't revolve around Jimbei. If anything, Otohime and Fisher Tiger were more of the main focus while Jimbei was more of a witness that wants to preserve the legacy of their ideals. Also take note of how Water 7 and Enies Lobby balanced having flashbacks for both Franky and Robin.

                                                                                        I meant like 2 arcs before the end of the series. It's been a decade since we had a new Nakama. To readers, a random female samurai would definitely feel left out from the rest of the crew and I fear that. It will be like Gastino or Carrot joining at the end of Totland with next island as Raftel instead of Reverie.

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                                                                                          There is too much to speculate on the setup to the final war. I have imagined Vivi being present and her showing the X on her arm, indicating she is a friend but not really their crewmate.

                                                                                          Also, my memory might be wrong, by Oden was criticized for joining a pirate ship. Whom knows how much of that bled into his demise against the Shogun.

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                                                                                            I meant 2 arcs as in before Raftel and War, which still have a chance of recruit happening in.

                                                                                            I think Jinbei joining testify to the point that term Nakama and its presence isn't something new characters can take lightly as. Jinbei has sat well with the readers and crew over the span of 9 years. Any new character will only have 2 arcs to build up this (Wanokuuni & Elbaf).

                                                                                            Touche. I initially thought of 'nobody has to know' but it proabably cannot be helped once the war starts and shits hits the fan.

                                                                                            WG's influence over Nefelerti wouldn't matter though since they will soon cease to exist anyway either by Strawhats or Revolutionary. And I doubt Alabasta citizens are so heartless to abandon Netferti over stuff like that, beside they'd probably compromise to pirates have kidnapped her. I guess issue is that strong kick of conviction for Vivi to choose over her everything associated with Alabasta is absent atm.

                                                                                            Her goal is definitely something that needs to be resolved, or yeah maybe it's the very indication she won't be joining. But I'm not that bothered by her initial decision to stay in Alabasta. She has achieved her dream to become a princess, joining strawhats isn't at the expense her dream. Think of it as Crocus or Oden temporarily having joined Roger pirates. I'm not proposing that she'd join the crew out on a limb, but it's just that I see her as only possible Nakama material. So I hypothesis whatever criteria she lacks as a new Nakama. Hey she might just pick up her dream at Mariejois upon having witnessed the horrible social hierarchy, like abolition of Tenryubittos.

                                                                                            Besides, she did make a statement such as this, imagine Luffy's reaction when the two reunites after those words.

                                                                                            I meant like 2 arcs before the end of the series. It's been a decade since we had a new Nakama. To readers, a random female samurai would definitely feel left out from the rest of the crew and I fear that. It will be like Gastino or Carrot joining at the end of Totland with next island as Raftel instead of Reverie.

                                                                                            But this crew is not the Roger Pirates. They are the Straw Hat Pirates. All of them joined the crew to achieve their dreams together. The finale of the series should focus on all of them making some kind of major progress towards whatever their dreams are (even though fulfilling Nami's dream should be impossible). Having Vivi already achieve her dream in the first 200 chapters of the series is so lackluster. Her inclusion would really look like an anticlimactic afterthought in that sense.

                                                                                            And I can't really buy into a Straw Hat dream being something like abolishing the Tenryubitto system when everybody wants to join for one reason or another. Jinbe's dream might simply be making all of the Fishmen safe from discrimination, which is very selfless too, but he's joining the Straw Hats out of selfishness advocated by his comrades and might get a flashback that elaborates on what his true individually selfish dream is. I can't see Vivi ever joining the Straw Hats unless it is to save her kingdom if the Reverie goes terribly wrong, but then that ends up being a shallow reason to join the crew.

                                                                                            Vivi can still be called a friend again as an ally.

                                                                                            I know you meant two arcs before the end of the series. That doesn't mean I can't see Oda still doing it that late if he was willing to have Brook get separated from the crew right after joining. Those two arcs before Raftel can still be very long, and there might be a couple quick stops between Elbaf and Raftel too. I get your concern of the last crewmate joining really late if they are a new character, but that's moreso just our preference. Oda will do whatever he wants regardless of timing, at least in my eyes.

                                                                                            I agree that Vivi looks like the only character with legitimate crewmate potential. But that only fuels my suspicions that the final crewmate is an entirely new character. I also doubt Vivi's going to join when she has the same hair color as Franky. Oda would have made those colors different if he planned to have Vivi join in the series' long run.

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                                                                                              I'm not going to guess what's going to happen at the Reverie because I'm not a mind reader and I have no clue what's going to happen but there are two questions that have my attention:

                                                                                              (1) If Cobra asks his poneglyph questions, how will the WG react?

                                                                                              (2) If the WG kills or deposes Cobra as a result of question 1, how will Vivi react?

                                                                                              Basically, if Cobra asks his questions successfully (I'll come back to this) then shit is going to go down. Maybe he'll get killed (eh… doubt it?) or maybe he'll get tossed in a dungeon and deposed. If that's the case, Vivi isn't a dumbass. She isn't going to just fuck off back to Alabasta and quietly become the queen. And whether or not the WG even let her become the queen is another question. She isn't going to bow their head to them. And considering how they handle shit anyway, they could just Robin her and put a bounty on her head. Plus, and this is a dumb one but eh, she has a quirk of revealing important secrets. ("I traveled with the Straw Hats once! Oops!")

                                                                                              CP0's recurrent presence in the story also has my brow raised, as well as the Revolutionaries. Oda also had a notebook with the Revos on them next to a Whole Cake Island one. This was pre-Zou when I doubt anybody saw us derailing and going to WCI. Now with the 1-2 year estimate for when we'll see Wano, I'm thinking Revos might get involved at the Reverie.

                                                                                              So now I have a shit ton of questions. What are the Revos going to do? Will Vivi go with the Revos if her kingdom is taken? Will she find the Straw Hats? (She could go with Rebecca back to Dressrosa and then Leo has a vivre card to Luffy). Will she fuck off back to Alabasta and quietly become the queen? Will Cobra live and fuck off back to Alabasta and they toil away in irrelevancy until the final war? What about this whole Caribou, Kaidou, Shirahoshi shit? Will Kaidou show up? And what about Robin's missing chapter number? (I think she'll get it when she apologizes to Vivi for taking her spot on the crew and fucking over Alabasta).

                                                                                              There's too much shit going on here to fully predict what's going to happen. Although I will say this, Oda could just as well have Cobra NOT ask the poneglyph questions after all and just get somebody else to instead (Vivi? Some random other schmuck? The Germa since they don't give a fuck about being criminals?)

                                                                                              Who really knows what's going to happen. Either way, I think she has a shot somewhere in that mess. There are several ways it could play out in a way that makes sense.

                                                                                              I'm not going to hold my breath, though.

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                                                                                                (even though fulfilling Nami's dream should be impossible)

                                                                                                I think for the purposes of the story, Nami mapping Raftel itself, which has never been mapped, and figuring out the actual route and location to it, pretty much cover it… even if the fine details of her dream will involve years of travel after the series. Same with Chopper curing everything.

                                                                                                I think managing one super crazy previously uncurable thing will suffice for narrative purposes, even if it is a lifelong dream.

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                                                                                                  I think for the purposes of the story, Nami mapping Raftel itself, which has never been mapped, and figuring out the actual route and location to it, pretty much cover it… even if the fine details of her dream will involve years of travel after the series. Same with Chopper curing everything.

                                                                                                  I think managing one super crazy previously uncurable thing will suffice for narrative purposes, even if it is a lifelong dream.

                                                                                                  That was always what I thought NMi woukd do as well. It's what I meant by the Straw Hats making major progress towards their dreams. I should have been more specific though.

                                                                                                  If Nami does the hardest part of her dream in the story, then that means the rest of it afterwards is easier and very possible.

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                                                                                                      I think a more simplified version of Jinbe's dream could be simply to find a new home for the Fishman Island inhabitants after whatever migration happens after The Neptunes petition to move to the surface world at Reverie, this at the very least could put them on a level foothold with humans as far as living conditions are concerned as opposed to the foreign depths of the ocean which makes them come off as secluded or isolated even more so than Wano. They're strangers as far as humans are concerned, they don't know anything about them as Koala noted to Jinbe once upon a time. A lot has been made about the "Path to the Sunlight" , which was specifically mentioned by the narrator and the title of the chapter in which Luffy asked Jinbe to join his crew.

                                                                                                      Couple this with Madam Shyrley's prediction of FI's demise, the mystery surrounding Noah's purpose , and Oda's ever so subtle emphasis on Jinbe's helming capabilities and I think the climax of Jinbe's dream will come at some point whenever Luffy supposedly destroys Fishman Island. Which could just be a misinterpreted prophecy like a certain Surtur and Ragnorok in the new Thor film. Full stop to avoid spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

                                                                                                      To put it simply , Fishman Island is it's people, not the Island itself. 😉

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                                                                                                        All I'm saying is that Jinbe better helm the Noah out of a destroyed Fishman Island with the entire island population. Along with help fron Shirahoshi's Sea Kings, I guess.

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