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    Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

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    • Count Mario
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      Doh!

      I forgot all about Jinbei. xD

      Yeah, I seem to have been swept away by the highlighting of his crew position in the most recent chapter and it slipped my mind that Jinbei has actually showcased strategic planning in the past. I'll concede that to you.

      Alright.

      However, I will contend this point. Positions aside, I don't agree with this line of thinking. That Luffy didn't know Usopp and Chopper had their respective positions doesn't matter because the story itself called for those positions (err… well, except for Usopp; though his position has definitely come in handy). This would be one of those situations where what occurs in-story amongst the characters is irrelevant when we, as the readers, understand the necessity of the positions and the expectations that they will be filled. And while it's true that Oda could introduce anything he wanted in the literal sense, we have 20+ years of precedent to go by. "Because it's Oda" isn't an argument. Not when we have easily discernible story structure here.

      No disrespect, of course. I'm only really contending this because I'm expecting stronger points from you. I could concede that you're reaching the right conclusions for the wrong reasons.~

      The design would be the tell tale sure, but if we could deduce the position then we could potentially also deduce other important factors such as crew dynamics and story implications. It's really all we have to go on right now since Jinbe is 100% solidified and, so far as I can tell, there are no currently viable candidates.

      We can almost never deduce the position though. Unless it's a recurring gag like Luffy wanting a musician, the relevance of roles like cook, doctor, and shipwright only come up when we are about to enter the arcs where those crewmates are introduced. Even though there was buildup for the shipwright in the ship getting wrecked throughout the series, nobody seriously considered that we needed an official "ship fixer" to join when Usopp seemed to be doing a tolerable job. It's nearly impossible to deduce what position could be needed, especially this point in the game. And even if we could, there is absolutely no way we can use that as a gauge for what kind of new character could join the crew. The most you could ever do is see if an already established character can fit such a role.

      Which means… we agree. So I suppose what I am saying that if we agree that there are currently no viable crewmates, then there is almost no way to tell what or who the future crewmate will be by pitching crew positions with how many have been filled up. We only ever understand the necessity of crewmate positions when it's brought up. I think that any hope of knowing what role a future crewmate would "need" to fulfill before that role got diegetic focus went out the window when Chopper joined as the doctor. Navigator, cook, and doctor are the only roles I could see people intuitively predicting ahead of time without story emphasis since those are all basic positions you need for long term ocean travel.

      I'm sorry to disappoint you with such an answer. We can predict a lot of things in One Piece due to how formulaic and trope-y it can be, as well as how far ahead Oda plans his plotlines. But with things like crew positions, I think it's a lost cause to think hard about it.

      Who knows? Also, the completion of the core crew is going to be a pretty big deal in my opinion. This is something Oda will have been waiting to do for 20+ years and won't just be carelessly passed over. Having something like officializing Zoro as the Vice Captain could be a nice way to round out the experience of building the crew through the years although admittedly it could be something else. In either case, it'll be something special.

      But why would it be a big enough deal to promote a crewmate? What would such a decision have anything to do with the consensus that Luffy's crew is complete? This isn't even something Oda would need to wait 20+ years to do, he could have done it all the way back in Chapter 3 when Luffy first met Zoro. I would think that if you want to establish a character being your protagonist's right hand man as an official title, you would have that happen as soon as they decide to venture together. Or at most in the first half of the series.

      You're missing the point. I don't think each Straw Hat will fight their Blackbeard counterpart by occupation either but there's potentially something very special about the final member of the crew, maybe even something special to the point where we're not even allowed to see them yet since even by virtue of seeing them it would give away what their position is, and thus what their story relevance would be too. Even just that intrigue could give us insights into who this last person could potentially be since it indicates it has to be something bigger than the garden variety tag-alongs like what we see with Carrot.

      Or, he just hasn't revealed the last Blackbeard because he hasn't gotten a chance to yet. =P

      It's still interesting to postulate on why that might be.

      Edit: Whoopsie. I think I may have talked myself into agreeing with you there. Regardless, my question is, "Will it be precedent or something brand new that we should be expecting?" The forum tends to favor precedent but the final crew member might be a special case so which basis do you side with?

      Not rhetorical btw, I'm genuinely curious.

      I can agree that there might be something special about these final members that are keeping them under wraps simultaneously. I actually hope there is so that they have interesting chemistry. Or Oda just hasn't had the chance. Both are very likely. Especially when we haven't even seen post-timeskip Teach yet, but that is probably because Oda has a special big entrance planned for his debut with a fully-grown braided beard.

      The forum would only favor precedent out of convenience for theorizing and general desires. Oda's quirky and he will make whatever he wants work. I know that sounds like a vague "because Oda" answer, but consider this.

      !

      That image is from One Piece Data Book Green. And if I am correct and not having a faulty memory as usual, one of the scrapped characters on the left (probably the creepy bandana head one) was supposed to be a botanist. That botanist profession probably got swapped to Usopp. Would you think that a botanist is typical to have for a pirate crew? Not really. But it can fit a surreal pirate adventure. Montblanc Noland was both a captain and a botanist, which allowed him to know about plant species and poisons/illnesses.

      If Oda wanted both an archaeologist and botanist, the range for what kind of crewmate positions he can want is quite large with such an imagination, to say the least.

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      "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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        That's why I personally like the First Mate title for Zoro because it's not as distinguished as Vice Captain but it also suggests a certain status within the crew for being with the Captain presumably the longest.

        For whatever reason Oda refuses to officially acknowledge Zoro as such within the spectrum of the crew, but I feel it's this unspoken understanding between at the very least Luffy and Zoro. He's definitely not unaware of his implicit writing how it concerns Zoro with the continuous parallels to Golden Age legends like Benn Beckman , Rayleigh and their own respective right hand man relationships with their Captains, hell even Killer too seems to hold this role within the Kid Pirates, despite being merely dubbed a Fighter, like Zoro is just a Swordsmen.

        Then of course you have noteworthy comments made by peers and allies alike , like the aforementioned Urouge dialogue on Saobody and the likes of Bartolomeo's fanboyism blurbs in Dressrosa. Which begs another interesting question , despite not officially being acknowledged as such within the crew does the world at large view Zoro as Luffy's Vice Captain/First Mate? Both the former's comments would suggest a resounding "yes".

        As for the Chief OF staff role, like Zoro's unofficial 1st mate status I feel Nami has kinda always performed this role well within the crew as she was originally the most organized and mindful of the crews needs as it's Navigator , I feel she will now spiritually share this role with Jinbe because of his veteran wisdom and eye for tactics. Oda has brilliantly been developing them as a little duo during Whole Cake they've both been patting each other on the back all throughout this escape/failed assassination attempt. It's kinda full circle when you consider Nami's tragic past with Fishmen.

        I also saw someone highlight something interesting , Fishman Arlong who wanted to conquer the Sea with a talented Navigator like Nami at his side and maybe she thought she had to do exactly that if she ever wanted to even reach her Dream, ironically it'll be another Fishman, his foster brother Jinbe who will see her Dream come to fruition, by her side and steer the way at that.

        Full Circle.

        "The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"

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          If Roger had kids shanks and buggy, I wonder if the last nakma cabinboy role is some kid, smaller then chopper but not momonosuke like small either. maybe 12-15

          And he could be based on that fairy like guy from the original crew drawing. the fairy fairy no mi dwarf.

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            We all know there is only one title that interests Zoro….. Longest Sleeping Man While Sailing The Seas!!

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              What, how are they only playing "big pirate games" after Kaido is defeated? I'm pretty sure coming for his head counts as such…

              Absolutely, they are only playing big games after they defeat Kaido. Defeating Kaido will have caused another change in the power structure. Beating warlords is cool and all, but they get replaced often. Whitebeard's death changed the world, you can expect Kaido's to do so as well. Luffy wouldn't be a measly 500 million bounty, he is not even that number right now to be honest. Luffy and his alliance will be considered one of the major's world threats. But they need to beat him, this page pretty much sums it up.

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              Also how is taking down Kaido "literally the first step"? Does Doflamingo not count now lol

              Mango only needed half the crew on the island to be defeated. Because if not it would have been too easy. We can say it is so the self-proclaimed grand fleet had a moment to shine, but all those guys got beaten by Luffy that same day. Even the crew members there, except Ussop really had a serious fight. Franky was dancing, Robin was tasked on protecting Rebecca, Zoro had to chase Pika down because the guy knew he could not defeat him. To the point that Pika made him go all the way to one side of the battlefield so he could target someone at his skill level, the GOD.

              My point is, no it doesn't count. A real threat needs the entire crew to be there to handle it. Hence, Wano will be where the first real threat lies. We should see every Straw Hat pushed to their limit. Mango was just part of the little pirate games:

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              Anyways, it isn't a strict issue or anything, just simply would vastly prefer for the last crewmate to be a part of the Wano action. It's not like I couldn't come to like anyone that comes after that, but it would certainly always nag at me.

              I have my own reasons for wanting the new crewmate to be from Elbaf, however it might be more likely that the character is introduced in Wano.

              Is anyone really doing that? It's just jumping, maybe it'd be cool for scouting, maybe not, it's honestly whatever, just another thing to notice, but not to the point that I'd describe it as being something to "bank" on. Really I'm just merely curious as to whether she'd incorporate it into of any of her attacks. That said, I don't really get why people act as if Carrot isn't noticeably better at jumping than the characters used to downplay it, like Pedro and now Brook.

              The main issue is that the lookout/scout and sniping position overlap greatly. We saw how Van shot from miles away and Ussop was barely able to notice something weird when the bird fell. Not that it needs to be expanded upon, but the difference in reach between them could play a factor if Blackbeard ever tails the Straw Hats and Ussop fails to notice them, or more likely during Ussop's and Van's fight. Even against Yassop. So having an official lookout position overlaps with something that I am sure will be played upon later.

              Also why does Luffy need a scout? As he would wait for them to come back with a report. And we are currently seeing how the positions in the crew do matter and will even solve the conflicts. Jimbe being a Fishman and being the helmsman complement his character. Sanji wanting to be a good cook even though his family is in the business of war.

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                @uniaka:

                If Roger had kids shanks and buggy, I wonder if the last nakma cabinboy role is some kid, smaller then chopper but not momonosuke like small either. maybe 12-15

                Shanks and Buggy were kids?

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                  More than likely they were at least Chopper's age when we first met him at Drum when they joined Roger's crew as Apprentices.

                  "The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"

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                    @Count:

                    Everything else.

                    Fair enough.

                    But why would it be a big enough deal to promote a crewmate? What would such a decision have anything to do with the consensus that Luffy's crew is complete? This isn't even something Oda would need to wait 20+ years to do, he could have done it all the way back in Chapter 3 when Luffy first met Zoro. I would think that if you want to establish a character being your protagonist's right hand man as an official title, you would have that happen as soon as they decide to venture together. Or at most in the first half of the series.

                    Semi-baseless speculation on my part. The idea stems from the intuition that, because this would be the final member and signify the completion of the core crew, the audience (and honestly, by extension Oda) should receive some kind of reward, and not just another crew member kanpai that gets immediately brushed over. I feel like the occasion should be a very significant moment in the story, something that's particularly highlighted and Zoro finally being confirmed officially as Vice Captain could be a suggestion for that.

                    Now, having said that, I suppose that would split the fandom in unforeseen ways so… maybe Oda wouldn't go that route after all. I still think it's a possibility, but not a necessary one by any stretch. It could be that the core crew being complete could be celebrated with a color spread or something but I'd find that to be a cop-out. I really do think the moment should be a highlight within the manga itself.

                    Unless the last crew member is just that special that even just having a kanpai with him or her would be a highlight in itself. But then goddamn, who is that person if that's the case!? =P

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                      @Blowfish:

                      More than likely they were at least Chopper's age when we first met him at Drum when they joined Roger's crew as Apprentices.

                      Shanks and Buggy were 12 when Roger was executed. Chopper was 15 in Drum. Momo is 8.

                      Spoiler:

                      "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                        @Count:

                        Shanks and Buggy were 12 when Roger was executed. Chopper was 15 in Drum. Momo is 8.

                        SO assuming they had a four year Journey with them, they joined the crew as 8 year olds? LOL

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                          SO assuming they had a four year Journey with them, they joined the crew as 8 year olds? LOL

                          Then Shanks is kind of a hypocrite. Unless his experiences feed into not wanting to recruit Luffy. He did criticize Roger for never showing his emotions in vulnerable times.

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                          "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                            @Count:

                            Shanks and Buggy were 12 when Roger was executed. Chopper was 15 in Drum. Momo is 8.

                            Roger was executed 24 years ago. Both Shanks and Buggy were 15 at the time of his execution.

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                              Roger was executed 24 years ago. Both Shanks and Buggy were 15 at the time of his execution.

                              Damnit, I always remember the date of Roger's death wrong by think that it is 25 years prior to pre-timeskip, probably because it is a frequently used round number. That makes MUCH more sense, thank you.

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                              "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                And here I thought Jojo was ridiculous in portraying 12-year old boys.

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                                  Buggy/Shanks were 15 when Roger died, but the Roger Pirates began 4 years before that. We don't know at which point they joined, but they could be just 11 then.

                                  Regardless, Roger's crew was way older than Luffy's currently is. If the SH were to get a cabin boy I suppose it wouldn't be someone much older than Momonosuke.

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                                    Maybe Momo can join after the Straw Hats take another two year timeskip since they are obviously too incompetent if they are struggling against the Admirals and Yonko.

                                    ! If you actually think this was even slightly serious, shame on you.

                                    Spoiler:

                                    "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                      Buggy/Shanks were 15 when Roger died, but the Roger Pirates began 4 years before that. We don't know at which point they joined, but they could be just 11 then.

                                      Regardless, Roger's crew was way older than Luffy's currently is. If the SH were to get a cabin boy I suppose it wouldn't be someone much older than Momonosuke.

                                      Wrong, Roger Pirates began more than 20 years before that. The three years with Crocus in the crew (that ended one year before Roger's death) were just the final journey through the GL.

                                      By the way, I was away for a day or two, but… one day I will learn how come anyone took my post about Caime seriously... however that day will surely not be today.

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                                        @Koliber:

                                        Wrong, Roger Pirates began more than 20 years before that. The three years with Crocus in the crew (that ended one year before Roger's death) were just the final journey through the GL.

                                        By the way, I was away for a day or two, but… one day I will learn how come anyone took my post about Caime seriously... however that day will surely not be today.

                                        I'm sorry, you are just that good at being sarcastic. Or it's a sign of how terrible some of the arguments for potential crewmates have been. Probably both.

                                        Spoiler:

                                        "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                          Wrong, Roger Pirates began more than 20 years before that. The three years with Crocus in the crew (that ended one year before Roger's death) were just the final journey through the GL.

                                          Yeah, I misunderstood that. I was only looking at the time they traveled through the GL… well, then that makes it even worse, they could have joined at any point in their life before they were 15.

                                          Anyways, after Dellinger I think anything goes when it comes to age.

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                                            Anyways, after Dellinger I think anything goes when it comes to age.

                                            What's weird about Dellinger being 16?

                                            Spoiler:

                                            "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                              @Count:

                                              What's weird about Dellinger being 16?

                                              I mean him being part of the crew when he was still a baby.

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                                                I mean him being part of the crew when he was still a baby.

                                                Oh. Well, I wouldn't want to waste a Fishman hybrid baby either.

                                                Spoiler:

                                                "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                  I mean him being part of the crew when he was still a baby.

                                                  Maybe we should take into account that Doffy's crew was morally dark and essentially enslaved a baby. While we're supposed to like Roger as a good man, even if not a lawful guy (he was the king of pirates for a reason) 👅

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                                                    That's why I personally like the First Mate title for Zoro because it's not as distinguished as Vice Captain but it also suggests a certain status within the crew for being with the Captain presumably the longest.

                                                    The main issue with that is that it puts one member of the crew above the rest, and its a hierarchy their "family" doesn't actually need… especially when Nami is the one that takes charge and gives orders half the time. Zoro doesn't outrank her and there's a good reason for that... and just this last chapter jimbei shpwed that he's also a take charge kind of guy.

                                                    Having an "official" first mate works against all that... and the crew is not so big that they need that. If they had twenty or thirty people, maybe. But Zoro has been "swordsman" and "the first" forever for a reason... he's even had TWO chapter titles dedicated to his position. Oda would have made him first mate decades ago if that's what was called for.

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                                                      Well, zoro is likely the second strongest( at east before jimbei) and was the only one that could save luffy's life in TB, and luffy also said he can handle anything, and also had his moments with usopp out of the crew and sanji, and he is also supernova next to his captain. There is also his bounty that pretty much everyone outside of the crew thinks he is vice because if it. But with jimbei in the crew those things change a bit.

                                                      I don't think oda will ever say it out loud, he will just imply it with hints here and there. Same way katakuri looks on par with cracke, smoothie, snack in terms of rank, but it was said he is strongest and it's clear he acts like the vice, has biggest bounty, was said that he is the mos tdangerous from the wedding and is handling most things like wedding chaos, SHs capture, etc while smoothie is doing nothing.

                                                      Or with Marco. All 16 seem to have same rank yet he was clearly the second and one that became new captain.

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                                                        Again, I don't know how anyone can say Doflamingo doesn't count. Of course it'd make sense that Kaido would trivialize the feat, he's a Yonko after all. But that doesn't change the fact that it was still an important victory for Luffy and co. It wasn't just another defeated Warlord. As Doflamingo himself said, he was one holding the reins, the most influential Underworld broker, who had Caesar, another arc villain working under him, and so on. Taking him down was effectively an act of war against Kaido due to halting the SMILE production, so again, saying it doesn't count, that beating Kaido would be the first prominent thing they have done since the timeskip, is quite baffling to me, but whatever.

                                                        I have my own reasons for wanting the new crewmate to be from Elbaf, however it might be more likely that the character is introduced in Wano.

                                                        What reasons are those? Are you thinking a giant is going to join?

                                                        Also why does Luffy need a scout?

                                                        I mean scout, lookout, something else entirely, I don't really care. As I've already said, it's a often referenced position alongside the helmsman position, so it has always been in my mind when considering candidates. If something else becomes obvious, or if people provide alternative positions, I'll factor that as well when meeting new characters. As others have said, it may very well be a position that just suddenly reveals itself to us later on for whoever ends up joining.

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                                                        Carrot's fight against Randolph didn't stand out at all.

                                                        My intention wasn't to point out the brief skirmish itself. I was just simply pointing out that it isn't as if Carrot is utterly "blind" in comparison. Not that I'm saying her reflexes/perceptive abilities are better than Observation Haki, just something I noticed is all. That said, I don't really want to harp on that particular point.

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                                                          Well, zoro is likely the second strongest( at east before jimbei) and was the only one that could save luffy's life in TB, and luffy also said he can handle anything, and also had his moments with usopp out of the crew and sanji, and he is also supernova next to his captain. There is also his bounty that pretty much everyone outside of the crew thinks he is vice because if it. But with jimbei in the crew those things change a bit.

                                                          I don't think oda will ever say it out loud, he will just imply it with hints here and there. Same way katakuri looks on par with cracke, smoothie, snack in terms of rank, but it was said he is strongest and it's clear he acts like the vice, has biggest bounty, was said that he is the mos tdangerous from the wedding and is handling most things like wedding chaos, SHs capture, etc while smoothie is doing nothing.

                                                          Or with Marco. All 16 seem to have same rank yet he was clearly the second and one that became new captain.

                                                          I agree with the part where everyone besides within the strawhats acknowledging Zoro as second in command, even Urouge refers to him as such after the Celestial Dragon incident in Sabaody. It's like there's so many indirects from the author himself but within the crew they don't have to establish such ranks none of them care to have set responsibilities and besides their Captain is the most carefree guy out there. Zoro did join the crew first, no matter who argues that fact can never change.

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                                                            The thing is Carrot is the next Strawhat. It's quite evident (TO ME) and I don't wanna type a lot :ninja: Why fight it? 🙂

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                                                              I will fight it for as long as I have to. I have taken the vow and it's too late to turn back now.

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                                                                I will fight it for as long as I have to. I have taken the vow and it's too late to turn back now.

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                                                                I thought this was a peaceful thread, now you had to go and remind me of Berserk. 😧

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                                                                  The thing is Carrot is the next Strawhat. It's quite evident (TO ME) and I don't wanna type a lot :ninja: Why fight it? 🙂

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                                                                  The final battle this arc is Jimbei vs Carrot. Winner takes it all, as in SH spot in the crew.:ninja:

                                                                  Or maybe BM is about to kl carrot and jimbei will sacrifice himself to save her so she can join the crew instead. It fits jimbei's character, to sacrifice himself for others.:ninja:

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                                                                    Yep, everyone knows Jinbe will die right before he is supposed to join the crew, right?

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                                                                      Heh. I was about to bring up the door joke as a last-minute failsafe, but since he fired the coup de burst himself then even that must be a thing of the past (or the doorframe is):ninja:

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                                                                        Jinbe doesn't need to go through doors, he will stay permanently at the helm. And if he wants to sleep or go to the bathroom, that's what the sea is for for the fishmen (in contrast to humans, who use it only as bathroom).

                                                                        Now that I think about it, fishpeople/merfolk probably never need to learn to control their bladder or… you know. It makes a lot more understandable why humans don't want them on land.

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                                                                          I really don't understand why people are clinging so strong to "lookout" when… we have Usopp who has haki specialized far seeing capabilities already and has already done numerous feats for twenty years involving... looking really far away.

                                                                          If he were in this arc instead of heading to Wano would Carrot be doing anything at all? He's usually the one doing shtick with Chopper after all.

                                                                          Nevermind that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have heightened "sense the presence of others" abilities and Robin and Brook both have unique spying/lookout abilities as well. It's really, really not a spot they're lacking in.

                                                                          Anyone that actually thought that was a strong joining point would have assumed Oda would make it flashy. Because that's how Oda works.

                                                                          Kinda like how, if he was going to have someone join based on the strength of their being able to see long distances, he might... I dunno.... have a character snipe a target from so far away during heavy winds that enemies couldn't even see him. Or spot a target and calculate how to hit them from across the city, through the bars of a gated window. You know. Something flashy.

                                                                          Again, I have to disagree with your argument. If you just look at Jinbe, the recent addition to the strawhats, you'll find out why your argument in this post falls flat.
                                                                          Usopp fixing the ship didn't stop Franky from joining later, and Nami/Franky steering the ship will probably not stop Jinbe as well. So why are you bringing this argument now? Is it because one of the current candidates (that you don't see joining) is being pitched as a lookout by the fans?
                                                                          Also, Jinbe wasn't initially introduced as this fishman with crazy helmsmanship, but that didn't stop him from joining.
                                                                          I'm just saying this because there aren't that much missing spots for the next crewmember to fill, and a lookout is a great position that makes sense thematically, at least more than an archeologist. And you're just creating non-existent guidlines for the next strawhat, whether they're already introduced or will be introduced in a future arc.

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                                                                            Now that I think about it, fishpeople/merfolk probably never need to learn to control their bladder or… you know. It makes a lot more understandable why humans don't want them on land.

                                                                            To be fair, Jimbei can technically use Fishman Karate to manipulate his…

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                                                                            Again, I have to disagree with your argument. If you just look at Jinbe, the recent addition to the strawhats, you'll find out why your argument in this post falls flat.
                                                                            Usopp fixing the ship didn't stop Franky from joining later, and Nami/Franky steering the ship will probably not stop Jinbe as well. So why are you bringing this argument now? Is it because one of the current candidates (that you don't see joining) is being pitched as a lookout by the fans?
                                                                            Also, Jinbe wasn't initially introduced as this fishman with crazy helmsmanship, but that didn't stop him from joining.
                                                                            I'm just saying this because there aren't that much missing spots for the next crewmember to fill, and a lookout is a great position that makes sense thematically, at least more than an archeologist. And you're just creating non-existent guidlines for the next strawhat, whether they're already introduced or will be introduced in a future arc.

                                                                            The problem with your comparison is that Usopp's specialty is in sniping. Not carpentry, that was a side bonus. Sniping is literally done through having proficient visual perception among other aspects. Franky joining as a shipwright does not outshine Usopp's sniping skills, he is only better than Usopp in a side job he was doing in a mediocre fashion. The same goes with Jimbei's skill in being a helmsman. Nami, Sanji, Chopper, and Franky were decent helmsman so the position for a dedicated helmsman was never needed. But Jimbei is going to get that position because his skills are stupendously exceptional. Even before Jimbei joined, it's not hard to tell that Oda can find a way for a guy who has lived under underwater and can control the ocean brings something new to the table in controlling a ship.

                                                                            The context around a dedicated lookout position is different because the skillset required for that is looking and detecting far away sights. That is the same as what is needed for sniping among even more things involving weapons and trigger fire timing/direction. We have already seen that Usopp's sight and aim surpass his crewmates, now more than ever with Observation Haki. Sure, Oda COULD come up with a character who specializes in that position more than Usopp for whatever reason. Oda can theoretically introduce anything in this manga if he wishes it. But there is no solid way for us to predict how or why somebody could be better than the already special sniper in the crew aside from pitching abilities that we don't know exist (like that one time somebody pitched super hearing for Carrot, which she has never used) or we have already seen from previous and now obsolete one of a kind perfect candidates (Viola's Devil Fruit).

                                                                            Yes, he is bringing it up because one of the candidates he doesn't see joining is being pitched as a lookout by fans. When somebody makes a theory, you have to analyze it to give constructive feedback on how likely it is. And his case is solid. There is nothing that can be said for Carrot's validity as a lookout that isn't either "she can jump really high" (a redundant ability with Usopp's Observation Haki, Sanji's Sky Walk, and Robin's wings) or a suggestion about an ability we don't know she may even have yet. Jimbei is being introduced as a Fishman with crazy helmsmanship now, even though he is not officially a crew member yet, alongside years of other character facets that have made his joining very likely as well as scenes of ordinarily helming ships and other characters like Luffy and Brook sucking at helming ships. Not unlike Usopp being confirmed to suck at repairing the ship before Franky was introduced.

                                                                            Expecting Oda to make a character whose abilities and backstory stand out in supporting why they are specially suited to a crew position is not a "non-existent guideline". It is what he has done for the past twenty years in every single arc a new crewmate joined at the end. It is what he should do to avoid a new crewmate taking a specific position on the crew only because they're spare hands on board while everybody else is busy doing things only they can do.

                                                                            If a character shows up that gets a flashy showing like Robby said for being a potential lookout, they might be a possibility. But until then, especially with Usopp being on board, it doesn't deserve to be considered as a likely position to be filled just because we can't fully predict what kinds of positions Oda likes to have in mind that still haven't been used.

                                                                            It's not like it was logical for people to clamor for a helmsman to join before Jimbei was introduced either. Suggesting that for him came on top of all his likelihood for joining the crew and it being a ship position we know he can at least do normally. So it isn't farfetched to attach that potential position onto him while trusting Oda to eventually expand upon how Jimbei can be a better helmsman than Nami, Sanji, Chopper, and Franky.

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                                                                              The main issue with that is that it puts one member of the crew above the rest, and its a hierarchy their "family" doesn't actually need… especially when Nami is the one that takes charge and gives orders half the time. Zoro doesn't outrank her and there's a good reason for that... and just this last chapter jimbei shpwed that he's also a take charge kind of guy.

                                                                              Having an "official" first mate works against all that... and the crew is not so big that they need that. If they had twenty or thirty people, maybe. But Zoro has been "swordsman" and "the first" forever for a reason... he's even had TWO chapter titles dedicated to his position. Oda would have made him first mate decades ago if that's what was called for.

                                                                              Within the ranks of the crew, sure, but Oda has like I said in another part of that post countless times went out of his way to knock us over the head with the fact that Zoro's final word is only second to Luffy or have other characters comment on his First Mate/VC status.

                                                                              I think one of the databooks even describes him as "Like The Vice Captain" , with Jinbe joining and Nami perhaps becoming even more assertive now that she has the goomba to her right, I don't think Zoro's special status will change because regardless of official declarations he'll always be the first member who joined Luffy.

                                                                              Can't wait for a vet like Jinbe to highlight this at some point. I know it's coming.

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                                                                                We are focusing too much on why Carrot would not be the ideal lookout and too little on which role Caesar could perform without conflicting with Chopper's medical expertise.

                                                                                Once he was the upper part of a balloon, so maybe he could be the sail? I know the Sunny already have sails, but one that moves on its own an can produce its own wind??? They have a good ship, a good navigator and a good helmsman… with a good sail, that ship will be invincible!!

                                                                                On a serious note, my hopes of Caesar as the NN always die when I think of Chopper (yeah, I know he is also an unredeemable villain who drugs kids... so what?). For a character that has reverted to basically a cute useless pet, he is ruining a lot of dreams here...

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                                                                                Expecting Oda to make a character whose abilities and backstory stand out in supporting why they are specially suited to a crew position is not a "non-existent guideline". It is what he has done for the past twenty years in every single arc a new crewmate joined at the end. It is what he should do to avoid a new crewmate taking a specific position on the crew only because they're spare hands on board while everybody else is busy doing things only they can do.

                                                                                If a character shows up that gets a flashy showing like Robby said for being a potential lookout, they might be a possibility. But until then, especially with Usopp being on board, it doesn't deserve to be considered as a likely position to be filled just because we can't fully predict what kinds of positions Oda likes to have in mind that still haven't been used.

                                                                                I don't think this point holds too much, though. It's been almost 10 years since we started seeing Jinbe taking the position of helmsman at almost every chance he gets and still he never showed any real ability in it until one week ago when he was suddenly raised to a god-tier helmsman.

                                                                                For almost 10 years Jinbe didn't show any flashy ability as a helmsman. Until he did. Oda sure was not in a hurry to show his abilities in that role, until he created a situation at the last minute just for it.

                                                                                Also, the only reason everyone was saying Jinbe would fill this role was not because it made sense, or because a fishman would be good for it. It was simply because he went for the helm once his group left Impel Down. Just that.
                                                                                There wasn't any stronger reason behind it, even though now we may try to sound like there was.

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                                                                                  Once he was the upper part of a balloon, so maybe he could be the sail? I know the Sunny already have sails, but one that moves on its own an can produce its own wind??? They have a good ship, a good navigator and a good helmsman… with a good sail, that ship will be invincible!!

                                                                                  I wonder do rubbermen actually poop? Or maybe produce less shit? In this case Caesar really is the best choice for NN - as he really adds perfectly what Luffy is lacking…

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                                                                                    Also, I'm kind of indifferent on the Carrot discussion atm, but we do all know there's a distinct difference between spotting and sniping, right? Just because Ussop's The Sniper doesn't mean he has to be the lookout.

                                                                                    I doubt he'll ever need it now that he has Kenboushoku Haki, but imagine a scene where Ussop is sniping targets with Carrot at a high vantage point providing spotting assistance.

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                                                                                      On a serious note, my hopes of Caesar as the NN always die when I think of Chopper (yeah, I know he is also an unredeemable villain who drugs kids… so what?). For a character that has reverted to basically a cute useless pet, he is ruining a lot of dreams here...

                                                                                      Not like we need Chopper to dash Caesar's hopes, everyone else hates him too lol

                                                                                      Last thing Nami said to the guy that he could just go and die or whatever lmao

                                                                                      That said, I suppose I was a tiny bit upset that they may very well not get to bully him for a bit longer.

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                                                                                      Also, I'm kind of indifferent on the Carrot discussion atm, but we do all know there's a distinct difference between spotting and sniping, right? Just because Ussop's The Sniper doesn't mean he has to be the lookout.

                                                                                      Oda has certainly made that clear by not putting him in the role.

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                                                                                        Also, I'm kind of indifferent on the Carrot discussion atm, but we do all know there's a distinct difference between spotting and sniping, right? Just because Ussop's The Sniper doesn't mean he has to be the lookout.

                                                                                        I doubt he'll ever need it now that he has Kenboushoku Haki, but imagine a scene where Ussop is sniping targets with Carrot at a high vantage point providing spotting assistance.

                                                                                        The problem is why can't he both spot and snipe interchageably? What does Carrot bring to the role besides jumping high? That is the issue. Nobody besides Viola brings amything to the Lookout position that Usopp does not.because of being a Sniper.

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                                                                                          ! ]To be fair, Jimbei can technically use Fishman Karate to manipulate his…
                                                                                          ! I want this to be an SBS question.
                                                                                          ! The problem with your comparison is that Usopp's specialty is in sniping. Not carpentry, that was a side bonus. Sniping is literally done through having proficient visual perception among other aspects. Franky joining as a shipwright does not outshine Usopp's sniping skills, he is only better than Usopp in a side job he was doing in a mediocre fashion. The same goes with Jimbei's skill in being a helmsman. Nami, Sanji, Chopper, and Franky were decent helmsman so the position for a dedicated helmsman was never needed. But Jimbei is going to get that position because his skills are stupendously exceptional. Even before Jimbei joined, it's not hard to tell that Oda can find a way for a guy who has lived under underwater and can control the ocean brings something new to the table in controlling a ship.
                                                                                          ! The context around a dedicated lookout position is different because the skillset required for that is looking and detecting far away sights. That is the same as what is needed for sniping among even more things involving weapons and trigger fire timing/direction. We have already seen that Usopp's sight and aim surpass his crewmates, now more than ever with Observation Haki. Sure, Oda COULD come up with a character who specializes in that position more than Usopp for whatever reason. Oda can theoretically introduce anything in this manga if he wishes it. But there is no solid way for us to predict how or why somebody could be better than the already special sniper in the crew aside from pitching abilities that we don't know exist (like that one time somebody pitched super hearing for Carrot, which she has never used) or we have already seen from previous and now obsolete one of a kind perfect candidates (Viola's Devil Fruit).
                                                                                          ! Yes, he is bringing it up because one of the candidates he doesn't see joining is being pitched as a lookout by fans. When somebody makes a theory, you have to analyze it to give constructive feedback on how likely it is. And his case is solid. There is nothing that can be said for Carrot's validity as a lookout that isn't either "she can jump really high" (a redundant ability with Usopp's Observation Haki, Sanji's Sky Walk, and Robin's wings) or a suggestion about an ability we don't know she may even have yet. Jimbei is being introduced as a Fishman with crazy helmsmanship now, even though he is not officially a crew member yet, alongside years of other character facets that have made his joining very likely as well as scenes of ordinarily helming ships and other characters like Luffy and Brook sucking at helming ships. Not unlike Usopp being confirmed to suck at repairing the ship before Franky was introduced.
                                                                                          ! Expecting Oda to make a character whose abilities and backstory stand out in supporting why they are specially suited to a crew position is not a "non-existent guideline". It is what he has done for the past twenty years in every single arc a new crewmate joined at the end. It is what he should do to avoid a new crewmate taking a specific position on the crew only because they're spare hands on board while everybody else is busy doing things only they can do.
                                                                                          ! If a character shows up that gets a flashy showing like Robby said for being a potential lookout, they might be a possibility. But until then, especially with Usopp being on board, it doesn't deserve to be considered as a likely position to be filled just because we can't fully predict what kinds of positions Oda likes to have in mind that still haven't been used.
                                                                                          ! It's not like it was logical for people to clamor for a helmsman to join before Jimbei was introduced either. Suggesting that for him came on top of all his likelihood for joining the crew and it being a ship position we know he can at least do normally. So it isn't farfetched to attach that potential position onto him while trusting Oda to eventually expand upon how Jimbei can be a better helmsman than Nami, Sanji, Chopper, and Franky.

                                                                                          What I'm critisizing here is Robby creating this non-existent guidlines, and yes, they're non-existent. A character doesn't need to show us their crazy skills before we even consider them for their position, I know the next strawhat will show them sooner or later to justify them taking the role. But is it really bad for fans to pitch a position for a potential crewmember before they show us their worthy of that position? And the answer is no, because Jinbe was everything but an official strawhat before we got to see his helmsmanship.
                                                                                          btw, being a sniper doesn't equal incredible eyesight, Usopp's skill lies in the fact that he can snipe anything as long as he knows where his target is. (and his haki will most likely just compliment his sniping skills only)

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                                                                                          The problem is why can't he both spot and snipe interchageably? What does Carrot bring to the role besides jumping high? That is the issue. Nobody besides Viola brings amything to the Lookout position that Usopp does not.because of being a Sniper.

                                                                                          For all I know Carrot might develop super eyes and super ears in the next chapter. But will that actually make her more viable? We know it got Viola nowhere.

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                                                                                            Also, I'm kind of indifferent on the Carrot discussion atm, but we do all know there's a distinct difference between spotting and sniping, right? Just because Ussop's The Sniper doesn't mean he has to be the lookout.

                                                                                            I doubt he'll ever need it now that he has Kenboushoku Haki, but imagine a scene where Ussop is sniping targets with Carrot at a high vantage point providing spotting assistance.

                                                                                            It's not about Usopp not having to fulfill that job, but that he will always be better at it if he was going to perform it.

                                                                                            A few weeks ago I was of the opinion Oda didn't care enough about having a new SH being the absolute best at what they do because Jinbe was clearly going to be the helmsman and he was just pretty ordinary at it. But then last chapter came with a situation tailored for the sole purpose of showing Jinbe as the best helmsman ever and it made clear that Oda will stick with each SH being amazing at their job.

                                                                                            The fact it took 8 years for Jinbe to perform despite being constantly shown at the helm means that Carrot (or whoever) not showing amazing skills at their possible role immediately is not to worry since that could just magically happen later. However, it still stands the fact that if Carrot wants to be the SH lookout she will have to show she is not just someone doing that job, but the perfect person for it - and with Usopp around it's hard to imagine how she could show better skills.

                                                                                            There is a chance she could use her giant ears to some sort of superhuman hearing skills, but twice we saw her scooting (at the start of Zou and now at the Sunny) and both times she was relying on her sight. So unless she just forgot she have great hearing and will remember it later…

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                                                                                              The idea of a lookout when there is a person in the main cast whose entire gimmick is seeing really fucking good makes that kind of redundant no?

                                                                                              And frankly. Don't you think the lookout position would have been filled pre-time skip? That seems like a bit of a easy lay up for Oda during One Piece's early days.

                                                                                              To be honest, I think we put too much stock in those early days and concepts of One Piece. It's been twenty years, I think it is quite possible that Oda may have changed his mind from his initial vision.

                                                                                              Or maybe he hasn't. Either way we probably won't know until the end.

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                                                                                                There is a chance she could use her giant ears to some sort of superhuman hearing skills, but twice we saw her scooting (at the start of Zou and now at the Sunny) and both times she was relying on her sight. So unless she just forgot she have great hearing and will remember it later…


                                                                                                Couldn't help but remember this scene.

                                                                                                All hail Machvise-sama, Arlong Park Character Tournament 2016 Champion!

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                                                                                                  And now Carrot has to compete with Franky hearing (not serious btw).

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                                                                                                    Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, and now Franky. Carrot can't stop getting her thunder stolen.

                                                                                                    Spoiler:

                                                                                                    "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                                                                      Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, and now Franky. Carrot can't stop getting her thunder stolen.

                                                                                                      Carrot life:

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                                                                                                        @Halfmetal-lich:

                                                                                                        And frankly. Don't you think the lookout position would have been filled pre-time skip?

                                                                                                        Lol, the lookout position aside, couldn't you say the same thing about the helmsman position too? Oda showed us that he was all about getting those essential roles before the timeskip, including a shipwright, yet never really led the fanbase to believe that it was imperative that they get a helmsman at some point, despite the (now blatant) synergy it'd have with Nami's navigation skills, as well as the fact that they have sailed increasingly dangerous seas. Even this arc hinted at it rather infrequently. So now Jinbe has taken up that role, and that's fantastic. But at the same time, I'm a little surprised that Oda didn't take care of it sooner, or that he seemingly didn't at least make the characters vocal enough about how they could definitely benefit from having someone who is adept at it. I'm sure many fans were thinking that Jinbe would do a better job of steering, but that the Straw Hats could do just fine without him.

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                                                                                                        There is a chance she could use her giant ears to some sort of superhuman hearing skills, but twice we saw her scooting (at the start of Zou and now at the Sunny) and both times she was relying on her sight. So unless she just forgot she have great hearing and will remember it later…

                                                                                                        Yea, I think the only thing she's done so far that implied to be hearing-based was when she quickly got Nami out of the way from being attacked from Randolph.

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