So you deny the monarchy of the kingdom a social revolutionary is from is going to figure into his backstory. Interesting theory!
And who's to say that it would be the same king? Why would Oda not name this King so then the readers would be "oh yeah, that's him!" Also the World nobles may be involved as well, there is that too.
I don't see how the fact that "The King of Goa might not be an important character" situation is so important(lol) to the point that someone have to fight a losing fight to prove their thesis.
Both side believe they are right and are determined to prove the other as being the one being delusional. Ego and being right are pretty important to humans.
And who's to say that it would be the same king?
So it makes more sense to just have this one king mysteriously obscured from view, and have the people on either side of him or whatever given faces and details. Yeah that certainly sounds like Oda.
Why would Oda not name this King so then the readers would be "oh yeah, that's him!"
Why didn't Oda name all the people watching Caesar's demonstration, or the CP0 guy.
Oh right this leads to "Evelyne Bullshit#34" about familiar visual cues, which then leads to "Evelyne Bullshit#48" about "easily" familiar visual cues.
Why didn't Oda name all the people watching Caesar's demonstration, or the CP0 guy.
Oh right this leads to "Evelyne Bullshit#34" about familiar visual cues, which then leads to "Evelyne Bullshit#48" about "easily" familiar visual cues.
You are not getting it, the characters you take as examples have a full design. They are easily recognizable. Why would Oda not name a character whose design have been hidden? It makes absolutely no sense and there is no reason to it. It's just confusing for the reader if he plans to use him later in the story.
You are not getting it, the characters you take as examples have a full design. They are easily recognizable. Why would Oda not name a character whose design have been hidden? It makes absolutely no sense and there is no reason to it. It's just confusing for the reader if he plans to use him later in the story.
Because Kong was easily recognizable when he was first introduced, right?
Because Kong was easily recognizable when he was first introduced, right?
He was named so yes?
You are not getting it, the characters you take as examples have a full design.
None of them have full design, not even the ones who are characters we recognize because we don't know how they look post-timeskip. The characters we don't recognize don't have full design at all. At the very least they have the same level of design as the Goa King does.
Why would Oda not name a character whose design have been hidden? It's just confusing for the reader if he plans to use him later in the story.
1. His design isn't hidden, we've seen his robes, and the bottom half of his face. Which wasn't even in shadow like the brokers.
2. Because we know the position and the exact location as well, which makes it really easy to figure when the guy shows up again lol. Gosh are we sure this king of goa who has the same bottom half of face is the same guy?? People will be so puzzled by this incredible mystery. As opposed to the brokers who we don't know who they are or where they might show up, so the visual is all we have.
3. There is absolutely no difference design wise at all between the Goa King and most brokers. None. The only thing you've at all managed to bullshit out is that he isn't as visually distinct. Which is ALREADY CONCEDING the rest of the point, thank you! And in of itself, its irrelevant because it wouldn't be confusing to compare a king of Goa to…a king of Goa. You're saying the visual distinctiveness will matter in a stationary character with an exact title. Are there other kings of Goa we're going to be able to confuse him with?
The only person who will be confused is the same people confused about shit like Sabo's cup being shown slightly offscreen. Un-observant people to whom it won't actually cause problems.
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He was named so yes?
How will we ever tell the King of Goa from all the other Kings of Goa that Oda might introduce. Aside from literally half his head I mean.
How will we ever tell the King of Goa from all the other Kings of Goa that Oda might introduce. Aside from literally half his head I mean.
http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=587&index=1&page=16
So you are betting everything on that one panel that no one have even paid attention beside a few people here who are interested with this hot topic. Why not.
You think this random guy will play an important part in Dragon's flashback, maybe ordered the murder of his wife or something else, why not. I think it's all bullshit and we won't ever see this guy again, for the simple reason Oda woud have named him if he was that important. But let's wait and see
http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=587&index=1&page=16
So you are betting everything on that one panel
You make it sound like saying "We saw part of a guy's face, so it will be easy for Oda to show visual continuity with the character if introduced later" is some sort of inane holy mary gesture loll.
that no one have even paid attention beside a few people here who are interested with this hot topic. Why not.
I wouldn't resort to a popularity based argument when this thread has transformed into everyone circling you and laughing at your Black Night arm stumps.
And even so let us not forget that people noticing or not noticing something is completely goddamn irrelevant.
You think this random guy
The ruling monarch of the country where our main character and his incredibly important father were born = random guy.
ahahahaha
You are at the "bleeding on me" stage of Black Night debating at this point.
I think it's all bullshit and we won't ever see this guy again, for the simple reason Oda woud have named him if he was that important.
I'm struggling to think of an angle where you aren't wallowing in garbage strained arguments.
Like even this forces you to make a terrible argument of the monarchy not showing up in a Dragon flashback.
It's almost like if everywhere you turn is a terrible argument you have to make to defend this guy not mattering, that you are done and finished.
I'm struggling to think of an angle where you aren't wallowing in garbage strained arguments.
Like even this forces you to make a terrible argument of the monarchy not showing up in a Dragon flashback.
It's almost like if everywhere you turn is a terrible argument you have to make to defend this guy not mattering, that you are done and finished.
None of my arguments were weak. All you can say is that a noname King whose face has been hidden will play an important part at some point of the story. I mean, it's not like Oda has the habit to name its important Kings. Oh wait, we have Cobra, Neptune, Riku, Wapol, Elizabetto, Gancho, Stelly and so on. For Christ sake, we even know the name of that King:
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Thalassa_Lucas
Yet he would not name the King who would be related to Dragon and the start of his Revolution? This is hilarious.
You are not making any sense, and you are the one with garbage strained arguments.
Yet he would not name the King who would be related to Dragon an the start of his Revolution? This is hilarious.
You are not making any sense, and you are the one with garbage strained arguments.
Says the figure who thinks Hat Man is important because of a hat and we can't see the face or name.
Says the figure who thinks Hat Man is important because of a hat and we can't see the face or name.
I've never said he is important. But it's not like you have been paying attention, you are a spammer.
I've never said he is important. But it's not like you have been paying attention, you are a spammer.
Well, you said Goa King would not be important because his face and name wasn't show, then another person points out a similar character AND then you say it is not the same because of a feature in his design? You're the one don't making any sense.
I've never said he is important. But it's not like you have been paying attention, you are a spammer.
But you did say he was memorable, because of a bowler hat.
But apparently, a guy that was literally king of the homeland of the series' protagonist, who instigated the whole Grey Terminal incident that ended with several people, including Sabo, joining the Revolutionaries, isn't.
Are you seriously going to value visual cues over an actual established role that impacted the lives of the protagonist and his 2 closest friends?
But you did say he was memorable, because of a bowler hat.
He has a distinctive design and he could be important, or not. I don't know and I don't care.
The King doesn't have a distinctive design but on top of that there is absolutely no reason for Oda to not give his name during Sabo's flashback.
The King doesn't have a distinctive design but on top of that there is absolutely no reason for Oda to not give his name during Sabo's flashback.
Oh wait, I thought of one.
That Oda is saving him for later in other storylines!
In fact if you think about it, nothing makes sense about not fully showing or naming this person unless he plans to show him eventually.
Remember how Rayleigh showed up for one panel in Buggy's flashback, was not named, and never mattered ever again?
None of my arguments were weak. All you can say is that a noname King whose face has been hidden will play an important part at some point of the story. I mean, it's not like Oda has the habit to name its important Kings. .
Oda also likes to name unimportant kings. And even the ones he doesn't name he likes to show them.
In fact the one thing you'll never see him do is half show someone and not name them. It isn't done.
Unless of course he hasn't said the final word on them and they are expected to show up again at some point. Almost like this person.
For Christ sake, we even know the name of that King:
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Thalassa_Lucas
you think this helps your argument ahahaha
"LOOK, ODA EVEN GAVE THIS RANDOM GUY A NAME. THIS BACKS UP MY ASSERTION THAT HE WILL RANDOMLY NOT EVER SUBSTANTIATE THIS OTHER GUY."
Fucks sake, you're not even thinking any more are you. You're just practically falling on the keyboard.
Right now your argument is that because Oda ends up detailing every king in some fashion, that he will never detail this one king.
You've argued against yourself and acted like victory loll
Yet he would not name the King who would be related to Dragon and the start of his Revolution? This is hilarious.
Yeah! How fucking unlikely! Almost as if that in of itself practically guarantees he will be returning to the character!
loll just lolll
You are not making any sense, and you are the one with garbage strained arguments.
lollll
lollll lol lol lol
@Cyan:
Remember how Rayleigh showed up for one panel in Buggy's flashback, was not named, and never mattered ever again?
His face was shown, and Oda even said to the anime team to make his face right. That's a rather weak argument that you've got there.
So nameless, obscured face previous King of Goa for next nakama? 
Why is this a 5+ pages debate in the next nakama thread? Is he important…maybe. I'll tell you this though, he isn't as important as Jinbe joining.
Oh wait, I thought of one.
That Oda is saving him for later in other storylines!In fact if you think about it, nothing makes sense about not fully showing or naming this person unless he plans to show him eventually.
Nope. What doesnt make sense is your reasoning. If this King was that important, he would have a name and a face. You would notice that every nameless Kings turned out…unimportant. King of Lvneel is a noname because he is unimportant to the story, same goes for Wapol's father. It makes absolutely no fucking sense to not give Goa's King a name if Oda planned to use him later in the story. It makes even less sense that Stelly is the current King. If this nameless King was so important, it would have been a great opportunity to have him as a King in the Reverie, don't you think? Why did Oda decide to make Stelly the new king? Maybe maybe because the one during Sabo's flashback was unimportant.
Nope. What doesnt make sense is your reasoning. If this King was that important, he would have a name and a face.
You're fucking done Kirk. This is really sad at this point.
We're chasing you in circles as you keep dodging into burned out huts and declaring yourself fortified. This is like a performance art piece almost.
It's almost at the point of being single sentence refutations.
For here: Oda heavily obscuring features and withholding a name has in every instance been just purposely creating suspense for eventual reveal.
You would notice that every nameless Kings turned out…unimportant. King of Lvneel is a noname because he is unimportant to the story, same goes for Wapol's father.
Here: You'll also notice they received full frontal face reveals, if this king had gotten the same treatment of his face being fully shown nobody would have reason to suspect Oda was up to something.
Every other King has a proper name and are important to the story.
Except the kings shown going to the Reverie, see by your logic half reveals means Oda won't shown a character….or is that only in one single instance where convenient for you and your really dumb ego.
It makes absulotely no fucking sense to not give Goa's King a name if Oda planned to use him later in the story.
So any time a character is implied by their role alone and not given a name means we'll never see them again, so Shichibukai, Yonkou, Admirals, unless once again in only this one instance where its convenient for you and your really dumb ego.
It makes even less sense that Stelly is the current King.
Unless the king has changed roles in some fashion or will be mostly important for actions made in Dragon's flashback, clearly based on literally everything else Oda has plans for him.
If this nameless King was so important, it would have been a great opportuniy to have him as a King in the Reverie, don't you think?
Not if Oda had more interest in establishing a young villainous figure among the kings, and more direct rival figure for Sabo in some respect.
Maybe maybe because the one during Sabo's flashback was unimportant.
Well as we see this only makes sense when it is the sole example filling its own bingo chart that Oda has ever done.
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His face was shown, and Oda even said to the anime team to make his face right. That's a rather weak argument that you've got there.
Did you seriously use retrospectively revealed behind the scenes info to argue against a current thing possibly being important?
Put some goddamn effort into this shit, jesus.
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Jeez idiot, its really obvious that this guy isnt important because oda hasnt secretly told the anime staff something. My uncle works at shueisha so i
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Speaking of which, the king (including the half his face shot when he's sleeping) is shown in the anime exactly as it is in the manga.
What is everyone looking forward to when Jinbei finally joins? I wanna see what kind of craziness the crew will put Jinbei through or anime filler similar to when Brook just joined and he wanted to help around the ship.
The face of a Straw Hat.
I kinda see Jimbe being the character that stay behind helping guard the Sunny and protect the scaredy cats of the crew
@The:
What is everyone looking forward to when Jinbei finally joins? I wanna see what kind of craziness the crew will put Jinbei through or anime filler similar to when Brook just joined and he wanted to help around the ship.
Probably being Helmsman, come up with plan names for stuff Franky wants to do in the ship, and doing some hilarious faces after seeing Luffy, Usopp, and co joke around. I see him hanging out with Zoro(martial arts talk), and Robin(so Robin can ask him some stuff).
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It's been some time since I saw some good old fashin off-topic in the crewmate thread. Good to see it back to his old habits.
Probably being Helmsman, come up with plan names for stuff Franky wants to do in the ship, and doing some hilarious faces after seeing Luffy, Usopp, and co joke around. I see him hanging out with Zoro(martial arts talk), and Robin(so Robin can ask him some stuff).
I can totally see something like this happening:
Franky: I should build a robot for Zoro so he can hone his skills and improve. How does it sound, Jinbei?
Jinbei: Sounds perfect. We shall name this project, Operation Santoryu.
Zoro: (wakes up from sleep) Someone's talking about swords…
I wonder if Law will become a Strawhat, too. Only with his teleportation ability Jinbe could bypass the doors.
@Bartholemew:
I wonder if Law will become a Strawhat, too. Only with his teleportation ability Jinbe could bypass the doors.
Jinbe does not need to go threw the doors since he can go in the fishtank and in the eating area you can look into the fishtank so they can talk to each other threw the glass lol..
Which is why Oda hid the faces of Sabo's parents….oh wait no we saw them in full in a whole variety of panels.
I don't disagree about Jalmac. But he wasn't really hidden so much as slightly shaded in the face.
The Goa King was completely almost comically hidden for the most part.
Still I think the only reason St. Jalmac wasn't shown completely has to do sth with Dadan's line. Sabo was shot and we didn't even get the murderer's face (that makes the murder we saw on Panel even worse, not to know how the murderer Looks).
But you can never tell, maybe we'll see both of them again. The goa king most likely in a flashback, since he is currently not in Charge anymore.
Maybe this Reverie will already split the WG-countries in 2 parties: the conservative one (against the likes of Luffy) and the liberalized one (rooting for the likes of Luffy). But i guess it is the wrong Topic here.
@The:
What is everyone looking forward to when Jinbei finally joins? I wanna see what kind of craziness the crew will put Jinbei through or anime filler similar to when Brook just joined and he wanted to help around the ship.
I'd love to see him when he's relaxed and just doing his own thing while the crew has down time. I want to see if he sleeps in the men's quarters or the aquarium, or a combination of both. I want to see him put up his bounty poster with some sort of comment about everyone else's. When Usopp, Luffy and Chopper really get going I wonder is he going to be all Zoro about it or would he be a little more like Robin and enjoy their antics? \
It will probably rarely come up since the crew doesn't really talk about their pasts unless prompted but I wonder what Jimbei would think about Franky being raised by a Fishman and a Mermaid? I feel like Jimbei would have some great conversations with Zoro, Franky and Nami.
I am glad Carrot's personality is quite standard ("boy standard", though). If she had some antics and eccentricities going on, I would be obsessed about she joining right now.
@The:
What is everyone looking forward to when Jinbei finally joins?
Jinbei doing the 'chopsticks in his nose and mouth' face at a party.
Jinbei doing the 'chopsticks in his nose and mouth' face at a party.
That would be gold, I would make it my new avatar.
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I have had this idea for a while, but if it all boils down to one more Strawhat I would nominate Bon Kurei(I am a fan). The best thing about him is that we have seen his development already. My main issue with the idea was that I always thought he would escape prison for the final war. It wouldn't be so crazy to think Mr. 2 and Iva-chan might still have some sort of communication. Iva was waiting for a signal after all. Though the idea has been fading bit a by bit with the current development between Dragon and the Blackbeard pirates. Add to that the fact that Teach's hobby is history research their path might be more connected than we initially thought.
In conclusion we might see Bon Kurei escape prison before the final war. The resolution of the conflict between Revos and Blackbeard pirates is inconclusive. If Blackbeard does attack Wano after(I put my reason in theory thread) then we might see the Revos pull Luffy and the crew out of Wano towards their new headquarters and Bon-chan~.
Bon Kurei would be great, but… considering Oda had his voice actor specifically in mind when he created Franky, it seems incredibly unlikely.
Normally "the anime did it" wouldn't be a thing, but in this case...
Also, side note, it's "bon kurei", as that refers to a specific night in the obon festival. "Clay" is a bad translation and we should try to avoid it, however official it may be, its one of those cases where it's just flat out wrong, like Zolo. (Other thing like Jinbe/Jimbei or Shiryu/Shlliew are more up for debate.)
it's clearly Bon Cray
I've never seen a man more crayfish-inspired before
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Bon Kurei would be great, but… considering Oda had his voice actor specifically in mind when he created Franky, it seems incredibly unlikely.
Normally "the anime did it" wouldn't be a thing, but in this case...
Also, side note, it's "bon kurei", as that refers to a specific night in the obon festival. "Clay" is a bad translation and we should try to avoid it, however official it may be, its one of those cases where it's just flat out wrong, like Zolo. (Other thing like Jinbe/Jimbei or Shiryu/Shlliew are more up for debate.)
Thanks for the clarification, it is hard to keep up with these names, nowadays it is worse I would not be surprised if someone translated it to Mono D. Puffy.
I see your point, I'll comfort myself thinking that maybe it was not his initial plan, but something that developed as his story grew. Maybe I should have written this on "things i'd like to see…" thread.
Speaking of voice actors, when will the Zou Arc voice actors be announced?
Bon Kurei would be great, but… considering Oda had his voice actor specifically in mind when he created Franky, it seems incredibly unlikely.
Normally "the anime did it" wouldn't be a thing, but in this case...
Also, side note, it's "bon kurei", as that refers to a specific night in the obon festival. "Clay" is a bad translation and we should try to avoid it, however official it may be, its one of those cases where it's just flat out wrong, like Zolo. (Other thing like Jinbe/Jimbei or Shiryu/Shlliew are more up for debate.)
He is the only character not in the crew besides Vivi, and Carue that I consider an honorary SH, you know if he wasn't in jail Luffy would have him in the crew if he had the chance.
Bon Kurei would be great, but… considering Oda had his voice actor specifically in mind when he created Franky, it seems incredibly unlikely.
Normally "the anime did it" wouldn't be a thing, but in this case...
Also, side note, it's "bon kurei", as that refers to a specific night in the obon festival. "Clay" is a bad translation and we should try to avoid it, however official it may be, its one of those cases where it's just flat out wrong, like Zolo. (Other thing like Jinbe/Jimbei or Shiryu/Shlliew are more up for debate.)
So? Official translation is better because it sounds better than Kurei. The reference doesn't make sense in english anyway so no point in keeping the name.
@The:
So? Official translation is better because it sounds better than Kurei. The reference doesn't make sense in english anyway so no point in keeping the name.
If you put a note explaining the naming, it would make sense for the readers.
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If you put a note explaining the naming, it would make sense for the readers.
Because cumbersome notations really capture the nature of doofy puns.
Bon Kurei actually IS something though. "Clay" is not only a bad translation, it loses any pun whatsoever and the holiday theme the rest of Baroque Works has.
If its for the sake of the pun being easy for an english audience, then change it to a different holiday… Mr. "New Years" or "Mr. Independence Day" or something. (which then runs the risk of another character having the same name later) but then you also need to change other pun names like Kuma to "Bear" since that a gag that has shown up a bunch related to him.
If its because "4kids thought it was easier to say" then... that's a dumb reason, just like "Zolo is more copyright friendly". If its because it's easier to spell, then just screw Roronoa. (And also half the names in Dragonball.)
If its "Kurei" then.. that's the actual name, and we don't muck with it and let the gag just slide past american audiences like a bunch of the OP gags.
But, hey, Viz actually DOES provide little translation notes when there's a blatant japanese symbol on someone's clothes, or in SBS when there's number related gags. So... they ALREADY put notations explaining cultural gags.
So you explain his name once up front, or in the character introduction section in the front of the book, or in an SBS, and then move on, while keeping the actual proper name. Its a required little evil sometimes when getting something from another culture like this. Obviously you don't annotate every single last thing, (like you wouldn't explain all the Zou characters are animal puns because a japanese dog bark is "wan", especially as they appear and thus breaking the flow of things... but that's super easy to put into the notes... that are already there.) And for something that's going to be around for a while or displayed prominently for volumes at a time that actually is a relevant important pun? That's helpful.
Those type of notes would work better at the back of a volume in a "Did You Know?" section where they go into detail about the puns and nuances of certain localized words compared to the original. I've seen a couple of localized manga volumes have something like that, but I don't think Viz has ever done it for One Piece.
Those type of notes would work better at the back of a volume in a "Did You Know?" section where they go into detail about the puns and nuances of certain localized words compared to the original. I've seen a couple of localized manga volumes have something like that, but I don't think Viz has ever done it for One Piece.
They add extra notations to the SBS all the time when it comes to translation bits that don't carry well without explanation. Especially with proper names and numbers and puns that make zero sense in english, or referencing japanese shows or celebrities.
They don't notate every single background gag or every cultural reference, but they do get the things that are focused on.
Considering "Bon Kurei is part of the Bon Festival, a celebration in japan" takes exactly that long to explain, it's not a big deal.
..they also replace the Usopp's fan art gallery images that are the hand picked best of the fanart in the world, and replace it with shitty drawings from 4 year olds in the US, but that's another matter entirely.
It only makes sense for an agent filling both gender positions to have both the number codename and holliday name. I love these tiny details.
So… Pedro for nakama:ninja:
I'm bored. Remember the coins from about 3 or 4 years ago? Well now the cards have spoken!
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These were given out with Film Gold tickets right? There are probably various characters assigned to all the numbers but I like this cherry picked selection.
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