He could lose once, n only once
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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He could lose once, n only once
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Until a little while ago I was very sure Monet would join.Don't get me wrong, I still think she might becoming the crews official lookout/scout though seeing her book on Stars raises the possibility of Nautical Astronomy.
For those not knowing:
It's the highly complex science of determing a ships precise location and direction by using celestial objects.
While it may sounds like it, it's far from the same as navigation especially since potentially the greatest navigator in human history wrote a book about the difference between the two which was even awarded.Basically this is Nautical Astronomy:
! (1) sin h = sin ø . sin δ + cos ø . cos δ . cos(tGr + λ)
! where ø and _t_Gr are the declination and the Greenwich hour angle of the celestial body, respectively. The values of δ and _t_Gr are selected from a marine astronomical almanac for the moments of observation. The longitude λ is measured eastward from the Greenwich meridian: _t_Gr + λ = _t_loc is the local hour angle of the celestial body. When the celestial body is on the meridian of the observer in upper culmination (_t_loc = 0), equation (1) yields the solution ϕ = δ ± (90° - H), where H is the altitude of the celestial body in upper culmination, called the meridian altitude. The minus sign is taken for a transit of the celestial body northward from the zenith.
If equation (1) is solved for t ioc, then we obtain the equation
(2) cos _t_loc = sin n . sec ø . sec δ - tan ø . tan δ
Knowing the latitude ϕ of the position, we can also obtain the longitude λ = _t_loc — _t_Gr using equation (2).
It is possible to determine both the latitude and longitude of a position from two measurements of altitude. With a larger number of measurements the accuracy of the determination can also be evaluated. Using what is called the estimated ship position, that is, the coordinates (ϕe, λe) of the position found graphically or analytically with respect to the course angle and distance covered (dead reckoning), we can represent each of the equations obtained in the form of an error equation or geometrically interpret each equation as an altitude position line. The position-line equation has the form
(3) Δh = Δø . cos A + ΔW . sin A
In order to construct the position line, the estimated ship position (ϕe,λe) is made the origin of coordinates (see Figure 1), with the latitude increment Δϕ plotted along one axis and the corresponding range increment ΔW = Δλ . cos ϕ along the other axis. If the difference Δ h = h — he between the altitude of the celestial body found by observation and the estimated altitude calculated from the estimated coordinates is plotted from the estimated position in the direction determined by the azimuth A of the celestial body, then a point K is found, called the intercept. The position line passes through the intercept in the direction perpendicular to the azimuth of the celestial body.
Figure 1
! The ship position is determined by the intersection point of the position lines of two stars that are continually observable. For a large number of observations, the position lines as a rule do not intersect at a single point but form an error figure. The most probable ship position can be found from this figure either by a graphical method or analytically.
The correction for course indicators is determined by comparing the observed bearing of a celestial body and the azimuth A of this body, calculated from its known declination 8, hour angle _t_loc = _t_Gr + λ, and the latitude of the observation position. The azimuth A can be calculated from the equation
(4) cot A = cos ø . tan δ . cos _t_loc - sin ø . cot _t_loc
Whenever the altitude of a celestial body is measured simultaneously with the bearing of the body, the azimuth can be calculated using either of the equations
(5) sin A = cos δ . sin _t_loc . sec h
(6) cos A = sec ø . sin δ . sec h - tan ø . tan hHowever, IMO it may be best to wait until Wano.Land of Samurai right?
Well I hope Oda does what I think and we'll get to see the legendary Onna Bugeisha, Tomoe Gozen.
One of the rare female Samurai with tales praising her strength and courage to be more worth than a thousand men, armed with strong armour,a mighty bow and a oversized sword she is told in the tale of heike to be always ready to confront even a god.She is a highly mysterious figure of japanese history as she vanished after the Battle of Awazu where she killed 2 commanders and by her sole self managed to escape an army sent to capture her and was never heard from again though it is a fact she didn't fall but simply disappeared.Tale of Heike:
Tomoe was especially beautiful, with white skin, long hair, and charming features. She was also a remarkably strong archer, and as a swordswoman she was a warrior worth a thousand, ready to confront a demon or a god, mounted or on foot. She handled unbroken horses with superb skill; she rode unscathed down perilous descents. Whenever a battle was imminent, Yoshinaka sent her out as his first captain, equipped with strong armor, an oversized sword, and a mighty bow; and she performed more deeds of valor than any of his other warriors.
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@Kyrie I was thinking the exact same thing
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Are you tongue-in-cheek aware that he said at least 10, not 11?
Ehh… would you believe that 11 was a typo...? .... ... ...and that entire line about that Mythical Zoan fruit user was a typo when I mean to type... um... the spacebar?
....Look, a distraction!! runs
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I doubt anymore swordsmen will be inducted into the crew. With such an intimate and exclusive band, there has to be variety.
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If there is another swordsman, then it'd have to be like Kinemon. A different number of swords than Brooke and Zoro, with a fighting style that makes them stand out as obviously different and unique. Kinemon really WAS a great potential crewmate, in terms of what he can bring to the series.
My personal belief is we'll get somewhere between two and four more crewmembers. Luffy stated a minimum of 10 (not including himself), but it's a bit suspicious that the number of people successfully recruited in each "part" of the story have been three men and one woman. Maybe he'll invert it for the last bit, but I'd be okay with four more crewmates.
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Despite in the last chapters Monet chances decreased I'm still with some faith in her joining but it's kind of hard now.
As for another swordsman if it's confirmed that Kinemon/Momonosuke or even both join the number of swordsman on the ship becomes too damn high IMO…
So My points about Monet are absolutely the same as before.
As for Kinemon/Momonosuke
Kinemon... I think that the fact that Kinemon<->Sanji it's the opposite of Zoro<->Sanji it's pretty interesting, the Brook<->Kinemon thing with that gentleman competition it's something quite unique too, he's DF it's interesting and fits on how easily the weather changes in the New World, it's fighting style and (probably Luffy's main reason if he actually wants him) he talks through farts (lol)Momonosuke... Well we still don't know he's propose nor anything about his personality beside he's samurai honor. Possible good points as far as I know the fact that he has an hand made mythical zoan that we still don't know the power it will reach nor it's full power so we really need to know him better until Wano arc.
My final thoughts about those 3 joining are that I would probably give a 1% chance for Monet joining, an 45% for Kinemon (mainly because of the positive different interactions with the crew members) and (still waiting for the confirmation of his traits/powers/personality/uses) between 50 and 75% for Momo because of how easy Luffy invites and wants unique characters as nakamas.
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I would rather see a demolitions expert or someone who works exclusively with short range munitions like pistols or shotguns. Maybe someone who has a background in covert/special ops that used to work for the world government. Someone with equivalence of a Israeli commando, navy seal, green beret, KGB, CIA agent or SAS. Maybe someone similar to Big Boss from MGS who's good with weaponry but also good at hand to hand combat. A quirk of his could be that he always hides and when someone addresses him or he engages in conversation, he pokes his head out of somewhere you wouldn't expect. This would usually annoy most of the crew but amuse luffy :)
That's way more interesting than over saturating the crew with more swordsmen. They can be from different schools of style or posses different ideologies, but at the end of the day, a swordsmen is a swordsmen.
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I would rather see a demolitions expert or someone who works exclusively with short range munitions like pistols or shotguns. Maybe someone who has a background in covert/special ops that used to work for the world government. Someone with equivalence of a Israeli commando, navy seal, green beret, KGB, CIA agent or SAS. Maybe someone similar to Big Boss from MGS who's good with weaponry but also good at hand to hand combat. A quirk of his could be that he always hides and when someone addresses him or he engages in conversation, he pokes his head out of somewhere you wouldn't expect. This would usually annoy most of the crew but amuse luffy :)
That's way more interesting than over saturating the crew with more swordsmen. They can be from different schools of style or posses different ideologies, but at the end of the day, a swordsmen is a swordsmen.
I honestly think Oda is purposely keeping gun wielders out of the crew. And honestly, I think this type of character is one that appeals a lot to westerners like us, but far less to the japanese audience
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It kinda annoys me that Jinbe didnt join the crew then and there….I stare at my Vol. 64 frustrated that he makes such an awesome addition to the crew! It would be great to see him have adventures with luffy and crew. But actually now that I think about it, everything in the reign of doflamingo would be too weak for the straw hat crew because of jinbe. When we start seeing the clash of yonkou and silver medalists, then jinbe should join.
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Honestly, I couldn't see Kinemon or any other swordsman joining unless they used a more distinct style of swordplay. Brook's style for instance is fencing. Perhaps a warrior with a variation of blade, like a scythe or a claymore would work.
But honestly, I just hope the final member (if it is the final one) will use a different battle style. I'm banking on a logia fruit user, but them wielding a unique weapon from the other Strawhats like a sledgehammer or spiked mace wouldn't hurt.
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Kinemon, if he joins, will be fighting with fire first, and a sword second.
It would make sense if his son, a presumably fire breathing dragon, fought alongside a guy who can control fire. Would it not?
Again, my biggest evidence to this idea is there are two (or maybe three) endgame crews in the New World that comprise of a person with an animal companion: Doc Q and Stronger, Mohji and Richie, and presumably the bald guy with the monkey on Shanks crew. All of these crews seem to have some sort of mild parallel with the Strawhats so far.
Of course, this could mean Vivi could come back as well :)
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I thought Chopper fitted that role, he's the pet/owner hybrid. What I wanted to see is a brothers crew member, like a twin perhaps. Kinda like Tweedledum & Tweedledee
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Kinemon, if he joins, will be fighting with fire first, and a sword second.
It would make sense if his son, a presumably fire breathing dragon, fought alongside a guy who can control fire. Would it not?
Again, my biggest evidence to this idea is there are two (or maybe three) endgame crews in the New World that comprise of a person with an animal companion: Doc Q and Stronger, Mohji and Richie, and presumably the bald guy with the monkey on Shanks crew. All of these crews seem to have some sort of mild parallel with the Strawhats so far.
Of course, this could mean Vivi could come back as well :)
Not true, he is a swordsman at heart who just has one or two techniques that utilizes or cuts fire, that´s all.
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Kinemon, if he joins, will be fighting with fire first, and a sword second.
Do you think he just farts fire or something?
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People also gotta remember that whoever joins next fills some sort of position on the ship.
EG: Franky the Shipwright,Sanji the Cook,Nami the Navigator etc.Thats why I don't see Kinemon joining, he's just a Samurai that except for battling doesn't really fill a crew position such as eg: Monet as the lookout/scout/nautical astronomer would.
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People also gotta remember that whoever joins next fills some sort of position on the ship.
EG: Franky the Shipwright,Sanji the Cook,Nami the Navigator etc.Thats why I don't see Kinemon joining, he's just a Samurai that except for battling doesn't really fill a crew position such as eg: Monet as the lookout/scout/nautical astronomer would.
Brook can serve as a scout/lookout, denied
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Do you think he just farts fire or something?
His son is a dragon.
I guess to rephrase that, he will be fighting with his son and controlling fire. That is what I see in Kinemon IF he joins. He has the highest chance of joining out of any char that isn't confirmed as a Strawhate at the moment, but that chance is still kinda slim.
This would give him a unique fighting style, and fit in with the pet/owner matchups the last part of the manga might have.
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Brook can serve as a scout/lookout, denied
He's the musician not scout/lookout.
And scouts/lookouts are supposed to sit high ontop of masts and crows nests in order to overlook the sea and the areas and what do we have, a birdlady already shown to operate as a scout that already more than enough helped the strawhats more than anyone else on PH.
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He's the musician not scout/lookout.
And scouts/lookouts are supposed to sit high ontop of masts and crows nests in order to overlook the sea and the areas and what do we have, a birdlady already shown to operate as a scout that already more than enough helped the strawhats more than anyone else on PH.
My post was not supposed to indicate that Brook is not a musician but it was supposed to show that a scout is not needed because Brook can easily do that with his ability.
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My post was not supposed to indicate that Brook is not a musician but it was supposed to show that a scout is not needed because Brook can easily do that with his ability.
Yeah and a shipwright wasn't needed at the beginning either as Usopp fixed the Going Merry having some skill.
Just because Brook has a little ability doesn't make him a scout or impossible to be replaced by a superior and actual one.And way to ignore my other points.
Also you fail to realize crew positions.Brook IS the Musician just how Sanji IS the Cook Nami THE Navigator not:
Brook is the Musician also operating as the crews scout.
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Yeah and a shipwright wasn't needed at the beginning either as Usopp fixed the Going Merry having some skill.
Just because Brook has a little ability doesn't make him a scout or impossible to be replaced by a superior and actual one.And way to ignore my other points.
Also you fail to realize crew positions.Brook IS the Musician just how Sanji IS the Cook Nami THE Navigator not:
Brook is the Musician also operating as the crews scout.
He's simply the musician not filling the scouts role.Monet is not joining.
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I wouldn;t mind if Momosueke joins so he could be the sword welding Dragon! He can alos scout ahead and hide in the clouds with his flight ability.
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Monet is not joining.
lol elaborately put.
i still don't quite get the massive support for Monet to be NN… (I'm gonna just ignore the calls for Mocha for NN :ninja:) She hasn't shown to be a. interesting (Brook) or b. useful to the crew in terms of ability outside of combat (Chopper, Franky, Sanji, Nami). nor has she helped the SH in any way that we can question her evil-ness (Robin saving Luffy after first loss v Croc, Jinbe saving Luffy at Impel at HQ), she's had extremely little time with the crew and has clearly not endeared herself to the captain (Usopp becoming fast friends with Luffy). The only thing going for her is the fact that she's a logia and she's female...imo:ninja:
I understand the intrigue surrounding her such as why she didn't react IF she had actually noticed Chopper making a run for it.. whether or not her life (held by Dofla) is the sole reason she's a baddie..giving life to the if-only-luffy-can-somehow-rescue-her-like-he-did-when-he/the-crew-saved-nami/robin argument...(i personally think that there is no deeper side to Monet than basically an underling of Dofla) um... what other intriguing things... where her harpy legs come from? (though it doesn't really add anything to the NN argument and I personally think its just something Monet created to match her harpy wings)
basically, I see the arguments against her joining being overwhelmingly stronger than the arguments for her joining (as of ch. 688). She hasn't shown much in terms of being NN material
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useful to the crew in terms of ability outside of combat
Scouts aren't useful?
Nautical Astronomy isn't useful?nor has she helped the SH in any way that we can question her evil-nes
She did several times.
Has she reported that the SH's arrived on the Island?
Nope.
Has she reported that Brownbeards unit were defeated by the SHs?
Nope.
Has she reported that the SHs defeated Vegapunks dragon?
Nope.
Has she reported that apart from Sanjis group there are more intruders/Luffys group?
Nope.Kept quiet.Even when being told Sanji and co. are breaking out over Den Den obviously enjoying them doing so.
Did she report that the strawhats are crossing the lake?
Nope.
Sure she did tell eventually but not only was it when Caesar questioned her whereabouts but also excused herself with:
"I forgot."
So yeah, its thanks to her that they got sofar without Caesar knowing who and where they are until they pretty much arrived.
Then there is of course the note and letting chopper escape.I see the arguments against her joining being overwhelmingly stronger than the arguments for her joining (as of ch. 688). She hasn't shown much in terms of being NN material
Oh yeah, you mean the fight in the Biscuits room.Never mind that there are Cameras in the room and Caesar sitting and watching everyones movements over monitor with Monet being the one who told him to move forward to it.
Oh and lets not forget, her life is on the line if she doesn't do as ordered.
So if Caesar see's her doing anything suspicious she is done especially seeing she was told Baby 5 and Buffalo are on the way.
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His son is a dragon.
I guess to rephrase that, he will be fighting with his son and controlling fire. That is what I see in Kinemon IF he joins. He has the highest chance of joining out of any char that isn't confirmed as a Strawhate at the moment, but that chance is still kinda slim.
This would give him a unique fighting style, and fit in with the pet/owner matchups the last part of the manga might have.
His abilities are defined as him be able to cut with fire, and cut through fire. I don't think his sword is some magic wand that can control whatever fire he sees as he pleases. Otherwise he wouldn't waste a dragon's breath attack at him by cutting it apart.
Hey, why not. If he can mimic vocal cords with his farts, it's not too far fetched! :ninja:
Well… flavor dial farts HAVE been ignited with fire before. So maybe farting is a setup for his super secret ultra power move. :ninja:
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Yeah and a shipwright wasn't needed at the beginning either as Usopp fixed the Going Merry having some skill.
Just because Brook has a little ability doesn't make him a scout or impossible to be replaced by a superior and actual one.And way to ignore my other points.
Also you fail to realize crew positions.Brook IS the Musician just how Sanji IS the Cook Nami THE Navigator not:
Brook is the Musician also operating as the crews scout.
He's simply the musician not filling the scouts role.A shipwright was needed all the time, in fact so much that they specially went to Water 7. A scout was never mentioned, it has no importance for the story nor the SHs and if it did, Brook can do that without being officially called "Scout". It is just your poor attempt to justify a joining of Monet when in fact there is no justification whatsoever.
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She did several times.
Yeah like the time she became a giant monster and started eating people?
Or when she gave all those children meth?People also gotta remember that whoever joins next fills some sort of position on the ship.
EG: Franky the Shipwright,Sanji the Cook,Nami the Navigator etc.Thats why I don't see Kinemon joining, he's just a Samurai that except for battling doesn't really fill a crew position such as eg: Monet as the lookout/scout/nautical astronomer would.
Exactly just like how a liar was needed on the crew or an archaeologist?
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I disagree that jimbei would join the straw hat band but is certainly their ally. Look back to the war at marine ford, whitebeard had his own crew but also a coalition of pirates at his disposal. They had their own pirate crews but were allied to whitebeard. Jimbei's power is comparable to luffy or even more so. I don't think Oda would allow him join just on that fact alone.
What about a super hero character that's always in costume. He can be based on that Suppaman character from Akira Toriama's Dr Slump. He could of eaten a Supa Supa fruit, which granted him abilities similar to superman but limited in comparison. Since Akira Toriama is a major influence to Oda, it would be a sort of homage for one of his idols.
It would be ideal If Oda could use a similar or same character design. Pending the approval of Akira of course.
Here's more info on the character: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Sourman
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I much prefer the Japanese name, Suppaman.
No need to translate such an obvious pun. -
She did several times.
Has she reported that the SH's arrived on the Island?
Nope.
Has she reported that Brownbeards unit were defeated by the SHs?
Nope.
Has she reported that the SHs defeated Vegapunks dragon?
Nope.
Has she reported that apart from Sanjis group there are more intruders/Luffys group?
Nope.Kept quiet.Even when being told Sanji and co. are breaking out over Den Den obviously enjoying them doing so.
Did she report that the strawhats are crossing the lake?
Nope.
Sure she did tell eventually but not only was it when Caesar questioned her whereabouts but also excused herself with:
"I forgot."
So yeah, its thanks to her that they got sofar without Caesar knowing who and where they are until they pretty much arrived.
Then there is of course the note and letting chopper escape.So what you are saying is that all the wrong things she did only because CC was watching her.. while she didn't inform him about the other things that he didn't see?
Do you think if Luffy solved her problem with DD, she will join?
I don't think so..
As a reader to the manga, I'll hate her even if she has a very sad past.
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So Monet = stupid theory
Kinemon = has no position
"Suppaman" = good theoryNice… This is becoming fantastic.
My vote is on Captain Tsubasa (position "number 10", plays soccer, eat the soccer soccer no mi, uses special shoots) just sayin' :ninja:
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I much prefer the Japanese name, Suppaman.
No need to translate such an obvious pun.what are you talking about?
First of all, don't be petty. I said he could use powers from
superman instead of "suppaman" because suppaman doesn't actually have super powers in Dr Slump. Kind of defeats the purpose of eating a DF if doesn't grant you some sort of ability. -
Kinemon will join because his son is a dragon. Luffy is the son of Dragon.
This belongs in the dumb predictions threadTHIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE. -
I disagree that jimbei would join the straw hat band but is certainly their ally. Look back to the war at marine ford, whitebeard had his own crew but also a coalition of pirates at his disposal. They had their own pirate crews but were allied to whitebeard. Jimbei's power is comparable to luffy or even more so. I don't think Oda would allow him join just on that fact alone.
To all those who still speak of Jinbe´s responsibilities and him becoming an ally:
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/120800/…by_mangarule/7
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/122042/…by_mangarule/4I do not know how Oda could have made it more obvious that Jinbe is going to join in the future.and by the end of big mam arc, monster trio would have surpassed jinbe.pretty much the same happened with franky and robin.
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Yeah like the time she became a giant monster and started eating people?
Or when she gave all those children meth?
Such ignorant people.
The room is supervised,there are cameras and Caesar is watching her while if she doesn't do as said, she'll die.If Monet wouldn't have done that, Caesar can anytime contact Joker and declare her sentence especially with Baby 5 and Buffalo making their way.
Its no rocket science.You would have done the same if your life depends on it, heck people did far worse.
Exactly just like how a liar was needed on the crew or an archaeological?
Not everyone fits a specific need.Do you even read the manga?
Robin is an Archeologist with the link to the Poneglyphs and the Void Century.
Both being important key points in One Piece making Robin invaluable for the crew and the story being the sole person that can read the former.And "liar".Really?Really!?
He's a Pseudo-Shooter/Cannoneer.Everyone on the ship fits a position.
So what you are saying is that all the wrong things she did only because CC was watching her.. while she didn't inform him about the other things that he didn't see?
Do you think if Luffy solved her problem with DD, she will join?
I don't think so..As a reader to the manga, I'll hate her even if she has a very sad past.
Look to what she did to the kids!!As said, Monet dies if she doesn't obey and yes its a canon fact she didn't inform him about things he didn't see that sofar being solely the Strawhats.
Nami says hi.
And yes, Monet herself stated she thought of them as remarkably strong and was rather enthusiastic about them.So what?
Before Robin being regarded as good she "bombed" Vivis Bodyguard,killed Marines and good knows how many more in her time in the Baroque Works.Seriously people go all "Monet is evil" when she fights for her life yet Robin is a Saint eventhough having tried to kill Tashigi and was thought to have bombed Igaram among others?
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Wait…..SOURMAN?! Who the hell is...Oh, wait..Suppaman! Right, I forgot.
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Suppaman for nakama, he ate the sour sour fruit.-text-
The ONLY thing Monet has going for her is letting Chopper slip by unnoticed. That's it.
People who fear for their life don't smile and lick their lips at the thought of it.
Zoro made her fear for her life. She was genuinely terrified.
She thinks about Doffy killing her if she doesn't succeed on her mission, she smiles and licks her lips.
People need to stop comparing her to Robin just because they want ther to join.Having said that, I have to admit I was on the Monet for Nakama bandwagon for quite a while.
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I really didn't think I had it in me for more of this, but seeing Monet still be a viable candidate is starting to give me ticks.
Then there is of course the note and letting chopper escape.
She didn't chase Chopper, because protecting Caesar was her top priority maybe? And where was the first place she headed after Caesar was safe? Might it be possible that her thought process was merely "huh, isn't that the straw hats pet? Maybe I should check on the kids when I get the chance."
Has she reported that apart from Sanjis group there are more intruders/Luffys group?
Nope.Kept quiet.Even when being told Sanji and co. are breaking out over Den Den obviously enjoying them doing so.When I see someone with an obviously intimidating expression on their face lick their lips and go "mfufufufu", you know what I think? I think sadistic bastard. You know when else Monet wore that expression? When fighting or injuring people. Speaking of…
She did several times.
Has she reported that the SH's arrived on the Island?
Nope.
Has she reported that Brownbeards unit were defeated by the SHs?
Nope.
Has she reported that the SHs defeated Vegapunks dragon?
Nope.Did she report that the strawhats are crossing the lake?
Nope.
Sure she did tell eventually but not only was it when Caesar questioned her whereabouts but also excused herself with:
"I forgot."
So yeah, its thanks to her that they got sofar without Caesar knowing who and where they are until they pretty much arrived.You know who else didn't report everything to his superior? Rob Lucci. Why? Because he was a laidback asshole confident in his own strength, who didn't think too highly of his boss and just wanted to have some fun. Hey, going by her sadist tendencies in the biscuit room, its almost like that fits Monet! Also, wheres all the help she gives them later? While Caesar is gone and theres no one "monitoring" her, she still screws Law over with a Mfufufufu on her face. And if she really really was adverse to everything she was doing here, why didnt she just let Luffy capture Caesar?
"Because then she'd get killed for failure!"
But then why would she "assist" the straw hats in reaching the lab? If the straw hats prevailed, they'd take down Caesar, and she'd be- you guessed it! "Killed for failure!"
You can't have her BOTH be a horrible monster who mistreats the children because "kill if fail!" and at the same time try and help the straw hats, which would make her fail.
Speaking of…Oh yeah, you mean the fight in the Biscuits room.Never mind that there are Cameras in the room and Caesar sitting and watching everyones movements over monitor with Monet being the one who told him to move forward to it.
Oh and lets not forget, her life is on the line if she doesn't do as ordered.
So if Caesar see's her doing anything suspicious she is done especially seeing she was told Baby 5 and Buffalo are on the way.
This fucking argument
is the WORST
Do you realize how common that trope is with villains? Do you realize how common it is in One Piece? Its like people have convinced themselves that Doflamingo kidnapped Monet as a child, and raised her at gunpoint going "Do evil things or I'll kill you loooooollll" all the time. If this one line, said with a nonchalant smile on her fucking face, absolves Monet, then I guess the Krieg pirates weren't evil thugs after all? Krieg shoots them upon insubordination! Surely all his followers are from fear, not greed. And hey, I guess every single member of Baroque works are all victims! The only reason the tried toppling Alabasta was because they knew the Unluckies or Crocodile would get them otherwise!
Marines under Akainu or Onigumo? Yeah they don't believe in justice, they just serve them because they know isobedience means execution etc etc etc.And really, people keep comparing her to Robin…but Robin was a trick that was only good once. A former villain joins the crew right out of nowhere! Who'd have thought it? And her motivations and allegiance has been questionable enough that it's not impossible to accept too!
If Monet joined? It's not surprising, its not well set up, its been done and Monets legacy of joining will be "The Robin Trick performed again, only worse".
From a writing stand point, only complete creative bankruptcy would go that route.
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Scouts aren't useful?
Nautical Astronomy isn't useful?nautical astronomy… the science of navigation using celestial bodies? first. the logs pretty much makes nautical astronomy redundant. and secondly, surely a first-rate navigator like Nami can figure out how to get from island A to island B without having to defer decisions to an astronomer?
not once has there been any mention of the crew having a need for a scout. having a scout is very much against the style of the straw hats who prefer to do things spontaneously and without scouting info. the closest thing (that i can recall at this present time) to an ordered attack was when Nami created a map after figuring out that God Island was shot up on the knock-up stream and told the crew to head towards the city…
take Enies Lobby for instance, they had a somewhat organised plan of attack that Luffy clearly ignored (he jumped ahead and took out 400 by himself while the others had to catch up)
(FI arc final battle wouldn't apply to the scouting argument especially since Hody made an exhibition out of the Royals)
the role of a scout can easily be done by Robin by spawning eyes and ears. surely Monet's use as a scout is limited to winter islands only? she won't exactly fare well in summer islands as a scout... (assuming summer islands don't snow)
She did several times.
Has she reported that the SH's arrived on the Island?
Nope.
Has she reported that Brownbeards unit were defeated by the SHs?
Nope.
Has she reported that the SHs defeated Vegapunks dragon?
Nope.
Has she reported that apart from Sanjis group there are more intruders/Luffys group?
Nope.Kept quiet.Even when being told Sanji and co. are breaking out over Den Den obviously enjoying them doing so.
Did she report that the strawhats are crossing the lake?
Nope.
Sure she did tell eventually but not only was it when Caesar questioned her whereabouts but also excused herself with:
"I forgot."
So yeah, its thanks to her that they got sofar without Caesar knowing who and where they are until they pretty much arrived.
Then there is of course the note and letting chopper escape.Oh wow. where to begin.. first, for our mutual benefit, let's do a quick timeline:
ch 655 - Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Robin investigate burning island
ch 656 - remaining crew captured on ship
ch 657 - Luffy&co sees icy half of island, Usopp spies Monet
ch 658 - Monet seen flying away and listening to the news that the other SH have escaped
ch 659 to 661 - irrelevant to current topic (mostly escaping with kids and Smoker)
ch 662 - Monet finally returns to base and informs (albeit late) CC of Brownbeard and the Dragon's defeats, Monet warns CC that the second party has crossed the lake and is coming, Monet reveals to CC the SH and their bounties,
ch 663 - Law v Smoker
ch 664 - Monet reads out SH bounties and warns that the crew can be stronger than the bounties, random centaur bursts in begging for CC to save Brownbeard
ch 665 to 670 - Yeti Cool Bros, Pirate Alliance, Alliance v Marines, CC, search for Kinemon
ch 671 - Law finds Monet alone in room and asks her to leave with him to give Chopper time to investigate, Law has heart attack (Monet mocks him?)
ch 672 - Kinemon
ch 673 to 674 - CC v SH
ch 675 - flashback explaining the heart transfer, Monet sets up image link
ch 676 - shinokuni, mysterious flying note
ch 677 - pirate alliance 2, Law et al. escapes,
ch 678 - escaped into the building
ch 679 - random sheep/grunt tells CC pirates + G5 r inside, Chopper escapes, Monet notices?, CC sets trap, Vergo moves out, Luffy Smoker Law runs ahead, escape to building B,
ch 680 - dragon and vergo attacks, Luffy attacks CC
ch 681 - Smoker runs out to find Vergo, Luffy v CC, interrupted by Monet, Vergo v Sanji, Law enters SAD room
ch 682 - Dofla instructs Vergo, CC and Monet, SH beats small dragon,
ch 683 - Luffy v Monet, Luffy escapes into garbage, Monet intercepts Mocha, Law v Vergo
ch 684 - Smoker v Vergo, CC's propaganda
ch 685 - Momonosuke flashback, Monet attacks Robin, Monet face-off Zoro
ch 686 - Mocha flashback 1 (Monet has human limbs, feeds children poisoned candies), Monet targets Nami and Chopper, Monet attacks marines, Monet face-off Tashigi
ch 687 - Tashigi (and Zoro) v Monet, Monet loses
ch 688 - Mocha sacrifice
phew.. that was alot longer than i thought it would be.so now to counter your arguments..
Has she reported that the SH's arrived on the Island?
why does she need to report the something that is already obvious? they just captured half of the crew with sleeping gas… unless u (obviously) mean Luffy's group.. she did tell CC in ch662....
Has she reported that Brownbeards unit were defeated by the SHs?
she did report it in ch662
Has she reported that the SHs defeated Vegapunks dragon?
yes… ch662
Did she report that the strawhats are crossing the lake?
I'm beginning to think you may have been away when ch662 was released…..
Has she reported that apart from Sanjis group there are more intruders/Luffys group?
…....6..........6...........2The only loose end is that Monet seems to have noticed Chopper run out of the room and neglected to react. This is neither a good nor bad act. Furthermore, its yet to show that allowing Chopper to escape has been detrimental to CC/Monet/Dofla/Vergo's efforts
The people may be watching the fight argument is weak and based on no evidence. There's no showing that there are Den Den Mushis overseeing the fight. There is no evidence of remorse or regret or thoughts other than destroying the Marines and SH.
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MohMoo, I think you'll find that he's read 662 quite well. He even says
"Sure she did tell eventually but not only was it when Caesar questioned her whereabouts but also excused herself with:
"I forgot.""Which is exactly what happens in that chapter. His argument isn't that she never told him, its that she was slow to tell him. I don't agree with any of his points, but fair is fair.
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Oh!!!!!! oops haha i just read his post and a red mist descended
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What about a super hero character that's always in costume. He can be based on that Suppaman character from Akira Toriama's Dr Slump.
I think we already have a character like that though:
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LA LA LAAAAAA. LA LA LA LA!(-Dearly Beloved)
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I think we already have a character like that though:
When did sokeking ever concede to being a super hero? He is the self proclaimed king of snipers but not a super hero. Also, we already had zoro and nami, so by your logic, the induction of brook and robin was unnecessary. (brook being a swordsman and robin being a woman)
Plus, I think he would add a nice dynamic to the group. A quirky, short, stocky, middle aged man, who's essentially a parody of the modern super hero. He's tries to be righteous and honorable but is also pretty conceited.
Here's a clip of Suppaman:
PS: You were probably being humorous but I state my case nonetheless.
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When did sokeking ever concede to being a super hero? He is the self proclaimed king of snipers but not a super hero. Also, we already had zoro and nami, so by your logic, the induction of brook and robin was unnecessary. (brook being a swordsman and robin being a woman)
Plus, I think he would add a nice dynamic to the group. A quirky, short, stocky, middle aged man, who's essentially a parody of the modern super hero. He's tries to be righteous and honorable but is also pretty conceited.
Here's a clip of Suppaman:
PS: You were probably being humorous but I state my case nonetheless.
I always saw Sogeking as a superhero figure. With quotes like "Sniper Island is in your hearts". Not to forget he wears a cape, a mask to hide his "secret" identity, and a 70's style super hero theme song. Sure your example of a superhero character is indeed different and I never stated that he can't joint or that he was pointless, but even still a super hero related character currently does exist in the Strawhats: Sogeking!
When did sokeking ever concede to being a super hero? He is the self proclaimed king of snipers but not a super hero. Also, we already had zoro and nami, so by your logic, the induction of brook and robin was unnecessary. (brook being a swordsman and robin being a woman
I have no clue where you deduced such an idea as this.
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When did sokeking ever concede to being a super hero? He is the self proclaimed king of snipers but not a super hero. Also, we already had zoro and nami, so by your logic, the induction of brook and robin was unnecessary. (brook being a swordsman and robin being a woman)
Plus, I think he would add a nice dynamic to the group. A quirky, short, stocky, middle aged man, who's essentially a parody of the modern super hero. He's righteous and honorable but also pretty conceited.
Here's a clip of Suppaman:
PS: You were probably being humorous but I state my case nonetheless.
..Uhh? ..Wait..Are you actually serious?
Everything about Sogeking reeks of superhero.
Everything.
He has theme song.
He has a cape and a mask.
His personality changes completely.Sogeking may not be a direct parody of a specific modern superhero, but he is one of the superhero.
As much of a joke as this is, your logic and argument is extremely flawed. -
I think we already have a character like that though:
Was this not an implication that one "super hero" is enough? I'm not concerned with whether or not you agree with me but don't be condescending. You presume he's a super hero because of characteristics he shares with the archetypal superhero. SokeKing never explicitly declares himself to be a super hero. Even if sokeking was a super hero, I doubt he will ever make another appearance. The days where Usopp needs to depend on an alter ego are over. That being said, I don't see why a suppaman character couldn't join the crew. I'm sure usopp could relate with him and form a close bond with that type of character. Brook, Luffy and Chopper would be enchanted by the sight of him with stars in their eyes :)
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SokeKing never explicitly declares himself to be a super hero.
Neither do 99% of all modern/classic superheros…It's the citizens/media who give them the title.
And saying Sogeking is unlikely to make another appearance is like saying Luffy won't ever eat meat again..I presume he's the closest thing to a superhero the crew will have, because he basically is. (Aside from Chopper Mask, of course)
