Arlong Park Forums

    • Register
    • Login
    • Search
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Groups

    Throughout this month, we will be testing new features (like search) so you may experience some hiccups from time to time. We'll try to not be too disruptive...

    Chapter 682 "Mastermind"

    Past Chapter Discussions
    248
    971
    254725
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • RomanceDawn
      RomanceDawn @TheCrystalShip
      @TheCrystalShip last edited by
      RomanceDawn
      spiral
      RomanceDawn
      spiral

      @TheCrystalShip:

      I have to say that this is the first time I've felt like we're in the New World, but I'm disappointed that the SHs are completely oblivious to it. Hopefully, they'll be taking things more seriously when they realize just what the hell is going on.

      They all have been in epic situations that even new world pirates have never dealt with. They havn't seen it it all, but they are seasoned pirates. Until someone is on the verge of death they like enjoying their battles and narrow escapes.

      And if they got more serious, how would that change the over all tone of the comic? Not good me thinks.

      Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • K
        Kita
        last edited by
        K
        spiral
        Kita
        spiral

        Normally I read every post before commenting, but my lunch break is over at work.

        I don't think the fallen dragon is Kinemon's son because it was pulling the sled outside so has been around for bit and this chapter made it look like Momonosuke just recently turned into a dragon.

        BTW, Dofla is definitely growing on me the more we learn about him. Great chapter!

        An angry Dragon may eat you, but an an angry Woman is truly dangerous

        Spoiler:

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • sggupta
          sggupta
          last edited by
          sggupta
          spiral
          sggupta
          spiral

          when will the raw come out?there is a lot of dialogue in this chapter,so there are bound to be many mistranslations by those mor..i mean mangapanda and mangstream.
          will have to wait for better translationas usual,but this time it is much more needed

          that which cannot be stopped:inherited will,a man's dream,and the flow of time.as long as man continues to seek out the answer to freedom,these things shall never be stopped.-PK Gol D. Roger

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • S
            SantoryuUser7 @FelRes
            @FelRes last edited by
            S
            spiral
            SantoryuUser7
            spiral

            @FelRes:

            "Law has the sad?!" was unintentionally amusing for me.

            The whole Doflamingo scene was tough to read due to the convo and Baby 5 being really distracting. That crew looks really random though(in a good way). Almost as weird as Big Mom's. I'm guessing most of them are really strong in some way, so I can't wait to see them in the spotlight. And Chopper is fighting the kids for some reason.

            Brook and Kinemon's banter was amusing. VERY GLAD that Usopp used a Pop Green we've seen before. lol at Robin being the "courtesan". I like how she barely does anything. Zoro still seems interested in learning Kinemon's fire-cutting technique.

            Love the ambiguity of whether or not Momonosuke is the same dragon they just defeated.

            Good points of chapter: Overall amusing, look at Doflamingo's interesting crew, good action, Tashigi(always a good point), feels like a lot was fit into the chapter
            Bad points of chapter: Sanji's high-pitched only thing annoyed me, the can on the cover story, srsly littering is BAD

            You don't like that he used those words specifically, or the fact that he even mentioned that he only cares about women who cheer for him? Because if it's the first one, I know Mangastream's wording is different.

            "An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is only an adventure wrongly considered."

            I think One Piece represents that very well. ![](images/smilies/ipb/grin.png "Grin")

            T FelRes 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • T
              TheFrith @SantoryuUser7
              @SantoryuUser7 last edited by
              T
              spiral
              TheFrith
              spiral

              Am I the only one who noticed the similarity here?

              !

              It probably means nothing, but I thought it was kind of cool how similar the panels are.

              (But if it ends up meaning something I totally said it first xD)

              TheCrystalShip 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • H
                Haros
                last edited by
                H
                spiral
                Haros
                spiral

                We already know that wano country is outside WG jurisdiction and that they are super strong. Well i've been thinking why Kinemon hates the word dragon and 2 things come to mind,
                first maybe mononosuke was abducted when kinemons village was attacked by a dragon, and by following that same dragon Kinemon ends up on PH. Otherwise why would he end up on an island that doesnt exist in search for his son.
                Second what if wano country has something valuable that doesnt exist anywhere else, maybe even a component in making S.A.D, and in order to get his hands on that component DoFlamingo has been sending dragons to attack wano country here and there as a distraction while his men take the components (something similar in what happened in wanted chapter/one shot Monsters)

                Oh and btw either Monet or Baby 5 or even another member of Doflamingos is working for Law. He had this planned out for a long a time and i'm sure that the handcuffs arent the only counter measure he has in case things go wrong.

                Just some thoughts 😁

                3ds Friend Code: 5172-1938-1274

                Miiverse name sk85

                ign Sota

                Fire Safari: Pansear-Pyroar-Fletchinder

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • MiyamotoMusashi
                  MiyamotoMusashi
                  last edited by
                  MiyamotoMusashi
                  spiral
                  MiyamotoMusashi
                  spiral

                  What i really would like to see would be a battle royale, kind of like Skypeia but on a bigger scale and the price would be Big Mum´s head.
                  We could have 4 different factions:
                  Luffy + Heart Pirates + Sun Pirates
                  Kidd/Apoo/Hawkins alliance
                  DD Pirates

                  It could be a bit chaotic but still, i would like it.

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • TheCrystalShip
                    TheCrystalShip @TheFrith
                    @TheFrith last edited by
                    TheCrystalShip
                    spiral
                    TheCrystalShip
                    spiral

                    @TheFrith:

                    Am I the only one who noticed the similarity here?

                    ! http://i.imgur.com/cKZIO.jpg

                    It probably means nothing, but I thought it was kind of cool how similar the panels are.

                    (But if it ends up meaning something I totally said it first xD)

                    Well, he IS referred to as "young master"… :ninja:

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • G
                      game2005
                      last edited by
                      G
                      spiral
                      game2005
                      spiral

                      Looking around threads in other sites, some people are already coming up character match-ups between the Straw Hats and Doflamingo's crew already, even though we don't know the name of most of the people in the latter and don't even know whether or not all of them will be major characters yet.

                      Reminds you of the Thriller Bark/Zombie General and Saboady Archipelago/Supernova days, don't you think so?

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • FelRes
                        FelRes @SantoryuUser7
                        @SantoryuUser7 last edited by
                        FelRes
                        spiral
                        FelRes
                        spiral

                        @SantoryuUser7:

                        You don't like that he used those words specifically, or the fact that he even mentioned that he only cares about women who cheer for him? Because if it's the first one, I know Mangastream's wording is different.

                        The one time I check out the chapter thread after my initial posting and I found out I'm not getting notifications. 😧

                        I just checked out the Mangastream translation and they definitely had better wording. Made that bit non-annoying(somehow). 😜

                        @game2005:

                        Looking around threads in other sites, some people are already coming up character match-ups between the Straw Hats and Doflamingo's crew already, even though we don't know the name of most of the people in the latter and don't even know whether or not all of them will be major characters yet.

                        Reminds you of the Thriller Bark/Zombie General and Saboady Archipelago/Supernova days, don't you think so?

                        Reminds me of every single time we're shown a new group of villains. What we need to start doing is forming match-ups against stuff like fast food mascots and Street Fighter characters.

                        Steam | Battle.net: FelRes#1963

                        \(゜∀゜ ) TSUKAME PURAIDO !

                        \( `ー´)TSUKAME SUCCESS !

                        TheCrystalShip 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • TheCrystalShip
                          TheCrystalShip @FelRes
                          @FelRes last edited by
                          TheCrystalShip
                          spiral
                          TheCrystalShip
                          spiral

                          @FelRes:

                          Reminds me of every single time we're shown a new group of villains. What we need to start doing is forming match-ups against stuff like fast food mascots and Street Fighter characters.

                          We didn't already? I formulate matchups for world leaders and notable musicians in my spare time.

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • Aohige_AP
                            Aohige_AP
                            Envoy
                            last edited by
                            Aohige_AP
                            spiral
                            Aohige_AP
                            Envoy
                            spiral

                            …..... not THAT kind of match ups!

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • minor_runes
                              minor_runes @RomanceDawn
                              @RomanceDawn last edited by
                              minor_runes
                              spiral
                              minor_runes
                              spiral

                              @RomanceDawn:

                              Just like you mentioned Monet, I believe there is a strong possibility that Baby 5 could be our first character in the case of emotional attachment. Her obvious hatred for Doflamingo to the point of tears really is something. Worse than Nami or even Robin, she can't even run away from her problem. It will be fascinating to see how Oda explains how she is still controlled by Doflamingo, or at least why she still obeys his assignments after trying to kill him. It could be as simple as a hostage situation but if she is willing to try to kill him right in the open like that, there has to be something else. Within the next 10 chapters or so she will have met up with the Straw Hat's and it will be glorious!

                              I to believe Dressrosa is coming up, maybe before Wano, maybe after with Kinemon tagging along if only because of Oda's replica desk at the One Piece museum. What ever the case I suspect that emotional attachment you guys are speaking of to be front and center in no time.

                              With Baby 5 I think it might be something as simple as Doflamingo forcing her to do something he needs, possibly through some schemes, while giving her an "option" of getting out of it if she can take him out.
                              Obviously though she isn't up to the task. Think Ace and Whitebeard early on, except with a negative spin.
                              At least that's my theory.

                              Drawing is fun

                              Jabra SirCaesar 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • Jabra
                                Jabra @minor_runes
                                @minor_runes last edited by
                                Jabra
                                spiral
                                Jabra
                                spiral

                                I somehow don't like the idea of Baby 5 being a second or third Nami. I would prefer her to be simply…crazy. A girl with severe anger management issues and extreme mood swings, coupled with a devil fruit that can turn every part of her body into a deadly weapon.
                                I mean there must be a reason why Doflamingo doesn't outright kill her, at least I didn't expect him to act so casually about being shot in the face. Maybe he is used to her behavior?

                                But whatever the deal is, please not another Nami or Robin. Monet is already poiting too hard in that direction for my taste.

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • SirCaesar
                                  SirCaesar @minor_runes
                                  @minor_runes last edited by
                                  SirCaesar
                                  spiral
                                  SirCaesar
                                  spiral

                                  @minor_runes:

                                  With Baby 5 I think it might be something as simple as Doflamingo forcing her to do something he needs, possibly through some schemes, while giving her an "option" of getting out of it if she can take him out.
                                  Obviously though she isn't up to the task. Think Ace and Whitebeard early on, except with a negative spin.
                                  At least that's my theory.

                                  What if she has a strong bond to Law, so she cries because DoFlamingo ordered his execution? (maybe he was talking about that before)

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • flandrian15
                                    flandrian15
                                    last edited by
                                    flandrian15
                                    spiral
                                    flandrian15
                                    spiral

                                    Well, if SAD is something that can turn just a kid into a powerful dragon like the one in building B (considering that one isn't Momonosuke), imagine what it could do if Luffy would become a dragon. Doflamingo said that Luffy was a better vessel because of his CoC so would such a dragon be able to use haki than? And would a person with a devil fruit, when turned into a dragon, be able to use his devil fruit? I would guess that it'd be possible since the creation of dragons, as far as we know, has nothing to do with devil fruits so it should keep the power of the fruit.
                                    Imagine Luffy with stronger skin and a jaw that can bite trough steal but still able to use gear 2 or 3 while also able to breath fire and use all his forms of haki… ooooh, and the ability to fly.

                                    Remember, remember, the 5th of November

                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • Don Quichotte De Flamingo
                                      Don Quichotte De Flamingo @Aohige_AP
                                      @Aohige_AP last edited by
                                      Don Quichotte De Flamingo
                                      spiral
                                      Don Quichotte De Flamingo
                                      spiral

                                      @Aohige_AP:

                                      I don't know, I think the emotional BANG just won't be there be it facing off with Doflamingo or Big Mam, without the proper emotional build up.

                                      Croc was such an awesome case there, building up Vivi, seemingly death of Igarappoi, involvement of Mr.3 in the two giants emotionally moved Usopp and Luffy, and all this time the friendship with Vivi was built up to emotional rollercoaster awaiting at Alabasta.

                                      Now we maybe judging too quickly, but the build up still isn't there for the upcoming conflict.

                                      I agree with you that we still need reason for Luffy to get all out on him.
                                      But afterall DoFla is a guy who is able to control people and so using Luffys nakama against him would do the job in no time.
                                      I may am hoping here for to much, but as we saw with his strings he can easily kill people out of nowhere and when he kills/injures by that Law or Kinemon(or whoever might be the Vivi or Kamy when they reach Dressrosa) …well, that would get Luffy startled i guess.

                                      Also let us not forget he is even titled in this chqapter as mastermind and we still have no clue what SAD really is...so there is plenty of options for DoFla to get into Luffys mind.

                                      Unrevealed_Loki/Rocks/Im-san_

                                      IslandElbaf/Raftel/GodValley

                                      UnresolvedWeevil´s plan/Explaining DFs/Deal with Kuma-Bonney´s past/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan

                                      DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop

                                      B 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • Daz
                                        Daz
                                        Warlord Mod
                                        last edited by
                                        Daz
                                        spiral
                                        Daz
                                        Warlord Mod
                                        spiral

                                        The first and only thing I can think of with Baby 5 is

                                        "Doflamingo! You said you loved me! And here you are, with 5 new skanks?!".

                                        And chiming in on the whole antagonist discussion: I'm really, really surprised that Caesar hasn't been been able to engage anyone sans Chopper emotionally, considering what an extreme asshole he is. I know I feel he's evil and worthy of a beating, but I really hope that Oda will up the underling-sacrificing mad scientist angle, and have Luffy finally get pissed off too.
                                        Of course, the more morally reprehensible experiments Caesar can get, the more indirect villain cred Doflamingo gets as well.

                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • flandrian15
                                          flandrian15
                                          last edited by
                                          flandrian15
                                          spiral
                                          flandrian15
                                          spiral

                                          anybody ever heard of the baby 5-lined skink? Possible lizard DF?

                                          (Apparantly I can't upload a youtube vid so I had to use alink, sorry.)

                                          Remember, remember, the 5th of November

                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • Aohige_AP
                                            Aohige_AP
                                            Envoy
                                            last edited by
                                            Aohige_AP
                                            spiral
                                            Aohige_AP
                                            Envoy
                                            spiral

                                            See, Daz, that's the thing. Ceaser is evil. His actions are disgusting.

                                            But it's not personal. Not yet, anyways.
                                            Doflamingo's band is still lacking that personal antagonism that touches Luffy where it hurts, that all the big arc villains (Croc, Arlong, Spandam, etc) had.
                                            Granted, it may come in play soon.. but the problem is it looks like we may run out of time to connect that personal grudge, if DressRosa arc is right after PH, and I feel Doflamingo deserves better and hope he gets elevated to that level of antagonism.

                                            So far the only possible lead to a personal grudge is Momonosuke, if Kin-emon friendship grows.
                                            Right now only Chopper and Nami are in the equation, and even for them it's not at a personal level.

                                            We need a lot more umph leading to the satisfying Hell Yeah moment.

                                            MiyamotoMusashi Urouge Daz 3 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • SabZ
                                              SabZ
                                              last edited by
                                              SabZ
                                              spiral
                                              SabZ
                                              spiral

                                              Monet said to Luffy that she will be killed by Donfla if she doesn't protect Caeser (Luffy will have absorbed info like that). If Luffy sparks a friendship with Monet somehow (she most likely saved Chopper, which will help) then he might end up saving her from the clutches of Donfla. I'm thinking Monet has a good chance of being the next nakama, so I expect her to have a deep background to build up the final clash between Luffy and Donfla and it's meaning. If Luffy isn't fighting for Monet it'll be for the children, but I wonder what further part they might have to play after Punk Hazard. I think the children will be saved in this arc, but I desperately want Kinemon with the SHs throughout the whole saga.

                                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                              • S
                                                Seres
                                                last edited by
                                                S
                                                spiral
                                                Seres
                                                spiral

                                                The thing is that Luffy is not the type to say "Ohmigosh, let me help you!".
                                                He doesn't seem to care that much about Monet's situation because he doesn't care about Monet.

                                                SabZ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                • SabZ
                                                  SabZ @Seres
                                                  @Seres last edited by
                                                  SabZ
                                                  spiral
                                                  SabZ
                                                  spiral

                                                  @Seres:

                                                  The thing is that Luffy is not the type to say "Ohmigosh, let me help you!".
                                                  He doesn't seem to care that much about Monet's situation because he doesn't care about Monet.

                                                  Yeah but Luffy can easily make friends with her, which is what I said. Laboon, Vivi, Cricket, Caimie, Hacchi, Shirahoshi… all examples of people Luffy took a liking to, and then helped because he saw that they were unhappy in some way or another.

                                                  S 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                  • MiyamotoMusashi
                                                    MiyamotoMusashi @Aohige_AP
                                                    @Aohige_AP last edited by
                                                    MiyamotoMusashi
                                                    spiral
                                                    MiyamotoMusashi
                                                    spiral

                                                    @Aohige_AP:

                                                    See, Daz, that's the thing. Ceaser is evil. His actions are disgusting.

                                                    But it's not personal. Not yet, anyways.
                                                    Doflamingo's band is still lacking that personal antagonism that touches Luffy where it hurts, that all the big arc villains (Croc, Arlong, Spandam, etc) had.
                                                    Granted, it may come in play soon.. but the problem is it looks like we may run out of time to connect that personal grudge, if DressRosa arc is right after PH, and I feel Doflamingo deserves better and hope he gets elevated to that level of antagonism.

                                                    So far the only possible lead to a personal grudge is Momonosuke, if Kin-emon friendship grows.
                                                    Right now only Chopper and Nami are in the equation, and even for them it's not at a personal level.

                                                    We need a lot more umph leading to the satisfying Hell Yeah moment.

                                                    That is pretty much what i said and think,too. The emotional component is just missing right now. Although i see several different scenarios where this could be changed, none of them are really satisfying for me (for example one of the SHs getting kidnapped by Baby 5 & co). As of right now, i feel that Big Mum arc has more opportunities to establish the emotional relation for the SHs since Jinbe is on his way there to take the Sun Pirates out of her influence and i could imagine that she will not be thrilled to hear that.

                                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                    • S
                                                      Strelok @SabZ
                                                      @SabZ last edited by
                                                      S
                                                      spiral
                                                      Strelok
                                                      spiral

                                                      @$abZ:

                                                      Yeah but Luffy can easily make friends with her, which is what I said. Laboon, Vivi, Cricket, Caimie, Hacchi, Shirahoshi… all examples of people Luffy took a liking to, and then helped because he saw that they were unhappy in some way or another.

                                                      :ninja: .

                                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                      • Urouge
                                                        Urouge
                                                        admin
                                                        @Aohige_AP
                                                        @Aohige_AP last edited by
                                                        Urouge
                                                        spiral
                                                        Urouge
                                                        admin
                                                        spiral

                                                        @MiyamotoMusashi:

                                                        This is a bit too fast for me if i am honest. We have by no means enough material to characterize Baby 5 as a tragic figure. Honestly, to me it seemed like one of the crazy quirks Oda comes up with, like Kumadori crying and trying to commit Seppuku but failing because of Tekkai or Kalifa misinterpreting everything Spandam said as sexual harassment. The other members of DD´s rew also did not treat it as uncommon occurrence, heck one of them even leisurely shot Baby 5 but nobody reacted surprised which leads me to believe that this happens quite often and is just how they spend their free time. It could turn out that Baby 5 is their against her will and forced to work for DD but i am not willing to bet on it just yet.

                                                        If that were really to be nothing more than a quirk, then it's a quirk that's going to mess Sanji up… bad.

                                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                        • Zkaiser
                                                          Zkaiser
                                                          last edited by
                                                          Zkaiser
                                                          spiral
                                                          Zkaiser
                                                          spiral

                                                          I don't think that everyone there was a member of Joker's "crew." They looked like investors/business partners. They may be a part of his organization but I don't think they ride around on a ship with him and fight battles and such.

                                                          Also, I don't think that this has been brought up but remember when Flamingo was talking to Disco and said, "The era of slavery is over and Smiles are in?" I think that He was mentioning Smiley, saying that he's out of the slavery business and has started with weapons of mass destruction.

                                                          –- Update From New Post Merge ---

                                                          @Jabra:

                                                          I somehow don't like the idea of Baby 5 being a second or third Nami. I would prefer her to be simply…crazy. A girl with severe anger management issues and extreme mood swings, coupled with a devil fruit that can turn every part of her body into a deadly weapon.
                                                          I mean there must be a reason why Doflamingo doesn't outright kill her, at least I didn't expect him to act so casually about being shot in the face. Maybe he is used to her behavior?

                                                          But whatever the deal is, please not another Nami or Robin. Monet is already poiting too hard in that direction for my taste.

                                                          This is what I believe. I think she's just crazy. Why else would DoFlamingo send her on a mission?

                                                          ΩMEGA PIRATES: ? Members

                                                          Captain: Zkaiser

                                                          Status: Dejected.

                                                          Threat Level: Pink

                                                          Goal: Prove the Elemental Haki Theory

                                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                          • DARK_RITUAL
                                                            DARK_RITUAL
                                                            last edited by
                                                            DARK_RITUAL
                                                            spiral
                                                            DARK_RITUAL
                                                            spiral

                                                            If Caribo and the commander of G-5 are also working for Doflamigo then I can see Caribo spilling out the information of Shirahoshi being an ancient weapon in exchange for his freedom Or Caribo brother attacks the g-5 men and save Caribo then we see Caribo calling Doflamigo to tell him about Shirahoshi in exchange to get promoted in DD crew. Then later we see DD sending few of his crew to fishman island or him going personally to take Shirahoshi away.DD kidnaps Shirahoshi (remember Jimbie is no longer in fisherman island he probably going to the tea party) and tries to make money with her after all Doflamigo is a NW broker, imagine how much money he will make selling Shirahoshi this one will be bigger than Smiley. And this what I think is the EMOTIONAL COMPONENT that will make luffy rage wreck havoc while going after DD.

                                                            Big MoM ate - 2012

                                                            CC for nakama.

                                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                            • Daz
                                                              Daz
                                                              Warlord Mod
                                                              @Aohige_AP
                                                              @Aohige_AP last edited by
                                                              Daz
                                                              spiral
                                                              Daz
                                                              Warlord Mod
                                                              spiral

                                                              @$abZ:

                                                              Monet said to Luffy that she will be killed by Donfla if she doesn't protect Caeser (Luffy will have absorbed info like that). If Luffy sparks a friendship with Monet somehow (she most likely saved Chopper, which will help) then he might end up saving her from the clutches of Donfla. I'm thinking Monet has a good chance of being the next nakama, so I expect her to have a deep background to build up the final clash between Luffy and Donfla and it's meaning. If Luffy isn't fighting for Monet it'll be for the children, but I wonder what further part they might have to play after Punk Hazard. I think the children will be saved in this arc, but I desperately want Kinemon with the SHs throughout the whole saga.

                                                              Monet didn't mention the possibility of Dofla killing her with a trembling voice and fear in her eyes, she mentioned it calmly and matter of factly. And Luffy didn't respond with "a captain killing his crew? Thats messed up!" But with "the bird gy from the war? Whats up with him?"
                                                              At this point there is absolutely nothing but the massive Robin deja vu to indicate Monet as a potential ally, or more than just a loyal Dofla crewmember.
                                                              The Chopper thing could just as easiliy have been Law.
                                                              In fact, her brief glance at him a few chapters earlier could be related to his current predicament for all we know.

                                                              @Aohige_AP:

                                                              See, Daz, that's the thing. Ceaser is evil. His actions are disgusting.

                                                              But it's not personal. Not yet, anyways.
                                                              Doflamingo's band is still lacking that personal antagonism that touches Luffy where it hurts, that all the big arc villains (Croc, Arlong, Spandam, etc) had.
                                                              Granted, it may come in play soon.. but the problem is it looks like we may run out of time to connect that personal grudge, if DressRosa arc is right after PH, and I feel Doflamingo deserves better and hope he gets elevated to that level of antagonism.

                                                              So far the only possible lead to a personal grudge is Momonosuke, if Kin-emon friendship grows.
                                                              Right now only Chopper and Nami are in the equation, and even for them it's not at a personal level.

                                                              We need a lot more umph leading to the satisfying Hell Yeah moment.

                                                              Amen.
                                                              I still can't quite grasp that the same Luffy that went mental on Kuro can watch a live feed of Caesar turning his men into guinea pigs in the most gruesome way possible, and not develop a burning desire to punch Ceasars head off. And weirdest thing of all, their little bout comes straight after Sanji calls subordinate-killing Vergo "the type Luffy hates most", showing that Oda hasn't forgotten this character trait.

                                                              Oda may well write in some emotional stakes for Luffy yet, but for now, I'd feel more emotionally satisfied if Brownbeard took down Caesar compared to Luffy.
                                                              Brownbeard.

                                                              SabZ TheCrystalShip 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                              • SabZ
                                                                SabZ @Daz
                                                                @Daz last edited by
                                                                SabZ
                                                                spiral
                                                                SabZ
                                                                spiral

                                                                @The:

                                                                Monet didn't mention the possibility of Dofla killing her with a trembling voice and fear in her eyes, she mentioned it calmly and matter of factly. And Luffy didn't respond with "a captain killing his crew? Thats messed up!" But with "the bird gy from the war? Whats up with him?"
                                                                At this point there is absolutely nothing but the massive Robin deja vu to indicate Monet as a potential ally, or more than just a loyal Dofla crewmember.
                                                                The Chopper thing could just as easiliy have been Law.
                                                                In fact, her brief glance at him a few chapters earlier could be related to his current predicament for all we know.

                                                                Yeah there's not enough to point towards Monet being an ally, but the fact that she told Luffy about Donfla has at least fixated it in his head. And you're right she didn't show any emotion, but isn't that better? To see Monet finally breaking down under the pressure later could be very emotional, especially if Luffy and Monet develop a friendship. To me Monet isn't on any side, and is just doing her job, but Luffy's personality often wins people over (Nami being a great example).

                                                                I can't see any other reason for Luffy to fight Donfla except Kinemon or Law being attacked (how deep does Luffy view his alliance? For now it's a joke but Luffy can be serious when it comes to pirate codes).

                                                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                • Game And Guy
                                                                  Game And Guy
                                                                  last edited by
                                                                  Game And Guy
                                                                  spiral
                                                                  Game And Guy
                                                                  spiral

                                                                  Am I right to assume that "Buffalo" is the huge, rotund, guy?

                                                                  You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!

                                                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                  • P
                                                                    parklane21
                                                                    last edited by
                                                                    P
                                                                    spiral
                                                                    parklane21
                                                                    spiral

                                                                    I just read the chapter and man… I want Oda to hurry PH up so we can have some Doflamingo action. The guy is an effing pimp. We still don't know what SAD is and Kinemon is hot-blooded over dragons. Coincidentally, Kinemon's son changed into one. Then, Oda pull a 'gimme a break!'. It's ok Oda, you're awesome.😄

                                                                    Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!

                                                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                    • TheCrystalShip
                                                                      TheCrystalShip @Daz
                                                                      @Daz last edited by
                                                                      TheCrystalShip
                                                                      spiral
                                                                      TheCrystalShip
                                                                      spiral

                                                                      @The:

                                                                      Oda may well write in some emotional stakes for Luffy yet, but for now, I'd feel more emotionally satisfied if Brownbeard took down Caesar compared to Luffy.
                                                                      Brownbeard.

                                                                      Considering how many times Luffy has tried and failed to catch this guy, that might just happen.

                                                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                      • B
                                                                        Baldulf @Don Quichotte De Flamingo
                                                                        @Don Quichotte De Flamingo last edited by
                                                                        B
                                                                        spiral
                                                                        Baldulf
                                                                        spiral

                                                                        @Don:

                                                                        there is plenty of options for DoFla to get into Luffys mind.

                                                                        I don't know if Dofla is man enough to stare into the abyss 🙂

                                                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                        • nonectra
                                                                          nonectra
                                                                          last edited by
                                                                          nonectra
                                                                          spiral
                                                                          nonectra
                                                                          spiral

                                                                          I think that's the funny thing about this arc - out of all the Strawhats, I feel like Luffy is connected the least with all of their new allies. Everyone else has some kind of connection to PH and a reason to want to take down Caesar, even if it's only to help Kin'emon rescue Momonosuke, but then you havoe our protagonist who's mostly just chilling and trying to catch Caesar. It's really different from the norm and I think part of me believes that Oda is setting up Luffy to have some major emotional reaction when shit hits the fan involving Law because he's ultimately going to be in real trouble, I think. And while Caesar has been betraying his men, I think it lacks an emotional punch in general. But if you have Luffy finding out that Doflamingo and Vergo are going to try and murder Law in the face - combined with an emotional backstory, which I think we'll get - then that will finally serve as a kind of catalyst for everything.

                                                                          That's how I see things going down if Oda's intent is to generally head in the Dressrosa direction, especially since Luffy has like 0 interaction with Kin'emon right now.

                                                                          FireFistAce 0 Daz 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                          • S
                                                                            Strelok
                                                                            last edited by
                                                                            S
                                                                            spiral
                                                                            Strelok
                                                                            spiral

                                                                            After Donflamingo was shown, I guess the Law flashback will come soon. :ninja:

                                                                            K 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                            • FireFistAce 0
                                                                              FireFistAce 0 @nonectra
                                                                              @nonectra last edited by
                                                                              FireFistAce 0
                                                                              spiral
                                                                              FireFistAce 0
                                                                              spiral

                                                                              @nonectra:

                                                                              I think that's the funny thing about this arc - out of all the Strawhats, I feel like Luffy is connected the least with all of their new allies. Everyone else has some kind of connection to PH and a reason to want to take down Caesar, even if it's only to help Kin'emon rescue Momonosuke, but then you havoe our protagonist who's mostly just chilling and trying to catch Caesar. It's really different from the norm and I think part of me believes that Oda is setting up Luffy to have some major emotional reaction when shit hits the fan involving Law because he's ultimately going to be in real trouble, I think. And while Caesar has been betraying his men, I think it lacks an emotional punch in general. But if you have Luffy finding out that Doflamingo and Vergo are going to try and murder Law in the face - combined with an emotional backstory, which I think we'll get - then that will finally serve as a kind of catalyst for everything.

                                                                              That's how I see things going down if Oda's intent is to generally head in the Dressrosa direction, especially since Luffy has like 0 interaction with Kin'emon right now.

                                                                              If you want a reason for Luffy to get emotionally attached, check this out:

                                                                              http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c682/11.html

                                                                              The Steampunk guy. Look closely at the hat and goggles he's wearing. Look familiar? They should.

                                                                              I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

                                                                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                              • The Laughing Man
                                                                                The Laughing Man
                                                                                last edited by
                                                                                The Laughing Man
                                                                                spiral
                                                                                The Laughing Man
                                                                                spiral

                                                                                Doflamingo = Law's actual father.

                                                                                –- Update From New Post Merge ---

                                                                                @Fire Fist:

                                                                                If you want a reason for Luffy to get emotionally attached, check this out:

                                                                                http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c682/11.html

                                                                                The Steampunk guy. Look closely at the hat and goggles he's wearing. Look familiar? They should.

                                                                                What I find interesting about that steampunk guy is the fact Oda chose to hide his entire appearance, and only his–why not show him, like the rest of the crew, if he's an entirely new character? That tells me--'hints me'--that he has some sort of secret and/or twist connected to him (like being Sabo). (He could even be there because of Dragon, keeping an eye on the more than likely largest Underworld Broker for the Revolutionaries).

                                                                                FireFistAce 0 SabZ 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                • Daz
                                                                                  Daz
                                                                                  Warlord Mod
                                                                                  @nonectra
                                                                                  @nonectra last edited by
                                                                                  Daz
                                                                                  spiral
                                                                                  Daz
                                                                                  Warlord Mod
                                                                                  spiral

                                                                                  @$abZ:

                                                                                  Yeah there's not enough to point towards Monet being an ally, but the fact that she told Luffy about Donfla has at least fixated it in his head. And you're right she didn't show any emotion, but isn't that better? To see Monet finally breaking down under the pressure later could be very emotional, especially if Luffy and Monet develop a friendship. To me Monet isn't on any side, and is just doing her job, but Luffy's personality often wins people over (Nami being a great example).

                                                                                  Considering Monet has barely shown any emotion so far, and certainly nothing indicating that she might "crack under pressure", I'm sorry, but I think its wishful thinking. Especially with the two evil-lip-licks she has had, and the evil smirk she gave Law while Vergo beat him mercilessly to a pulp.

                                                                                  @$abZ:

                                                                                  I can't see any other reason for Luffy to fight Donfla except Kinemon or Law being attacked (how deep does Luffy view his alliance? For now it's a joke but Luffy can be serious when it comes to pirate codes).

                                                                                  I'm personally hoping that Doflamingos "island liberation thing" comes into play, preferably linked to slave trade - like, a tequila wolf sort of thing. All we then need is Luffy to meet someone affected by it.

                                                                                  @parklane21:

                                                                                  I just read the chapter and man… I want Oda to hurry PH up so we can have some Doflamingo action.

                                                                                  Oh please no, the thing I'm most worried about with this chapter is it starting another "NEW WORLD YET?!!" movement.

                                                                                  @nonectra:

                                                                                  And while Caesar has been betraying his men, I think it lacks an emotional punch in general.But if you have Luffy finding out that Doflamingo and Vergo are going to try and murder Law in the face - combined with an emotional backstory, which I think we'll get - then that will finally serve as a kind of catalyst for everything.

                                                                                  That's how I see things going down if Oda's intent is to generally head in the Dressrosa direction, especially since Luffy has like 0 interaction with Kin'emon right now.

                                                                                  Really? Caesars men view him as a saint, and loyally go do an errand for him. The giant slime monster they have no clue about show up, and they try to get away- but the sleigh is sabotaged! The dragon flees! They have their protective clothing, but are told to take it off! And then they are engulfed by a deadly gas that kills them in the most horiffic way possible, just so Caesar can demonstrate his new product.
                                                                                  As they scream in terror and plead for help, Caesar laughs mercilessly and happily at their despair and death.
                                                                                  And finally, we zoom in on their petrified forms to see traces of tears on those betrayed by the man they trusted most.

                                                                                  If Luffy watches all of that without giving a shit, and only starts emoting when people start hurting Law, whom Luffy has such a deep, touching, memorable friendship with, I'm calling fucking foul.

                                                                                  nonectra 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                  • D
                                                                                    dwo
                                                                                    last edited by
                                                                                    D
                                                                                    spiral
                                                                                    dwo
                                                                                    spiral

                                                                                    I have one question. Could Luffy with Haki simply block Laws abilities to touch and manipulate his body if Law ever wanted to betray him? Wouldnt that make Law very weak compared to Luffy?

                                                                                    MiyamotoMusashi 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                    • FireFistAce 0
                                                                                      FireFistAce 0 @The Laughing Man
                                                                                      @The Laughing Man last edited by
                                                                                      FireFistAce 0
                                                                                      spiral
                                                                                      FireFistAce 0
                                                                                      spiral

                                                                                      @The:

                                                                                      Doflamingo = Law's actual father.

                                                                                      I know you're being facetious here, but Law's from North Blue, while it's implied Doflamingo is from East Blue, since he was at Roger's execution. Plus, we don't know Law's exact age, but Doflamingo is 41, so he'd have to be in his early twenties if Law was his son.

                                                                                      What I find interesting about that steampunk guy is the fact Oda chose to hide his entire appearance, and only his–why not show him, like the rest of the crew, if he's an entirely new character? That tells me--'hints me'--that he has some sort of secret and/or twist connected to him (like being Sabo). (He could even be there because of Dragon, keeping an eye on the more than likely largest Underworld Broker for the Revolutionaries).

                                                                                      The hat alone is enough. The hat is IDENTICAL to the one that Sabo wore. I know Oda's done some Red Herrings before when it comes to revealing characters, but I doubt he would give two different characters the same hat. Unless this Steampunk guy is Stelly and he's wearing his deceased Step-brother's hat and goggles as a giant middle finger.

                                                                                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

                                                                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                      • D
                                                                                        Denbob99
                                                                                        last edited by
                                                                                        D
                                                                                        spiral
                                                                                        Denbob99
                                                                                        spiral

                                                                                        I'm not certain, but they look like scars/stitches on the side of his head too (linking in with the whole boat explosion), will wait for a HQ scan to say that with any certainty though

                                                                                        Reading One Piece, Berserk, Kekkaishi (Finished :( ), Naruto, The Breaker, Hunter x Hunter, Bleach, Vagabond, Toriko, Katekyo Hitman Reborn! (Thankfully finished), Soul Eater, Freezing, Gamaran, Magi and Fairy Tail.

                                                                                        The Laughing Man 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                        • The Laughing Man
                                                                                          The Laughing Man @Denbob99
                                                                                          @Denbob99 last edited by
                                                                                          The Laughing Man
                                                                                          spiral
                                                                                          The Laughing Man
                                                                                          spiral

                                                                                          @Denbob99:

                                                                                          I'm not certain, but they look like scars/stitches on the side of his head too (linking in with the whole boat explosion), will wait for a HQ scan to say that with any certainty though

                                                                                          I think that may be–could be--part of the mask he's wearing, like a full-face leather mask. Could be his skin, though.

                                                                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                          • nonectra
                                                                                            nonectra @Daz
                                                                                            @Daz last edited by
                                                                                            nonectra
                                                                                            spiral
                                                                                            nonectra
                                                                                            spiral

                                                                                            @The:

                                                                                            Really? Caesars men view him as a saint, and loyally go do an errand for him. The giant slime monster they have no clue about show up, and they try to get away- but the sleigh is sabotaged! The dragon flees! They have their protective clothing, but are told to take it off! And then they are engulfed by a deadly gas that kills them in the most horiffic way possible, just so Caesar can demonstrate his new product.
                                                                                            As they scream in terror and plead for help, Caesar laughs mercilessly and happily at their despair and death.
                                                                                            And finally, we zoom in on their petrified forms to see traces of tears on those betrayed by the man they trusted most.

                                                                                            If Luffy watches all of that without giving a shit, and only starts emoting when people start hurting Law, whom Luffy has such a deep, touching, memorable friendship with, I'm calling fucking foul.

                                                                                            But, see, even watching that, it obviously bothers him, but it doesn't give him any particular motivation to go kick Caesar's ass. I don't think he'll ever have that motivation. It is a despicable, deplorable thing to do - just like experimenting on kids is - but the primary reason Luffy ever pursues a villain is because he has a personal reason to. When Luffy fights Crocodile in Alabasta, it's not because Crocodile is manipulating hundreds of thousands of people to their death, it's because he's hurting Vivi. Likewise, he wouldn't have given two shits about CP9 or Enies Lobby if it hadn't been for Robin. And the whole thing with Kuro was that he already was pissed at him and watching him mindlessly hurt his men just pissed him off more. Caesar has yet to do anything to someone Luffy really cares about, so he's not emotionally driven to fight him.

                                                                                            When I talk about Law, I know that he and Luffy aren't particularly close, but there is a connection there. Law did save his life. They're allies now - which is equal to being friends, in Luffy's eyes - and so hurting Law is a much better way to force Luffy to be emotionally invested in all this because he needs that personal connection to really have a reason to care. Sure, it's kind of fucked up, but that's the sort of person Luffy is.

                                                                                            Daz 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                            • W
                                                                                              Willpower
                                                                                              last edited by
                                                                                              W
                                                                                              spiral
                                                                                              Willpower
                                                                                              spiral

                                                                                              Sabo was not evil to follow a villain like Doflamingo..C'mon this is not the manga of "Boti"

                                                                                              Take the One Piece Character Quiz!

                                                                                              The Laughing Man 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                              • MiyamotoMusashi
                                                                                                MiyamotoMusashi @dwo
                                                                                                @dwo last edited by
                                                                                                MiyamotoMusashi
                                                                                                spiral
                                                                                                MiyamotoMusashi
                                                                                                spiral

                                                                                                @dwo:

                                                                                                I have one question. Could Luffy with Haki simply block Laws abilities to touch and manipulate his body if Law ever wanted to betray him? Wouldnt that make Law very weak compared to Luffy?

                                                                                                First of all, i almost destroyed my monitor because of your avatar. Second, this thread is not made for asking questions, there is a separate thread for that (http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=36065&page=7&p=2701809#post2701809). Third, we do know that with a high enough lvl of Haki you can defend yourself against DFs, that´s why hax abilities like that of Perona worked pre-TS but would not work on Sanji, Luffy or Zoro anymore as long as they take it seriously. We do not know though whether Luffy´s mastery of Haki is good enough to defend himself against Law´s fruit.

                                                                                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                                • L
                                                                                                  Lorenzo D. Teach
                                                                                                  last edited by
                                                                                                  L
                                                                                                  spiral
                                                                                                  Lorenzo D. Teach
                                                                                                  spiral

                                                                                                  but shouldn't Sabo be member of the Revolutionaries crew?! at least we know that Dragon saved him in the flashback…

                                                                                                  U 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                                  • The Laughing Man
                                                                                                    The Laughing Man @Willpower
                                                                                                    @Willpower last edited by
                                                                                                    The Laughing Man
                                                                                                    spiral
                                                                                                    The Laughing Man
                                                                                                    spiral

                                                                                                    @Willpower:

                                                                                                    Sabo was not evil to follow a villain like Doflamingo..C'mon this is not the manga of "Boti"

                                                                                                    You don't have to be evil for an infiltration operation. Like already stated, IF IT IS Sabo, then, Dragon could have planted him in Doflamingo's Underworld Organization (because it's most likely the largest) to keep an eye on it.

                                                                                                    Don Quichotte De Flamingo 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                                    • Daz
                                                                                                      Daz
                                                                                                      Warlord Mod
                                                                                                      @nonectra
                                                                                                      @nonectra last edited by
                                                                                                      Daz
                                                                                                      spiral
                                                                                                      Daz
                                                                                                      Warlord Mod
                                                                                                      spiral

                                                                                                      @nonectra:

                                                                                                      But, see, even watching that, it obviously bothers him, but it doesn't give him any particular motivation to go kick Caesar's ass. I don't think he'll ever have that motivation. It is a despicable, deplorable thing to do - just like experimenting on kids is - but the primary reason Luffy ever pursues a villain is because he has a personal reason to. When Luffy fights Crocodile in Alabasta, it's not because Crocodile is manipulating hundreds of thousands of people to their death, it's because he's hurting Vivi. Likewise, he wouldn't have given two shits about CP9 or Enies Lobby if it hadn't been for Robin. And the whole thing with Kuro was that he already was pissed at him and watching him mindlessly hurt his men just pissed him off more. Caesar has yet to do anything to someone Luffy really cares about, so he's not emotionally driven to fight him.

                                                                                                      When I talk about Law, I know that he and Luffy aren't particularly close, but there is a connection there. Law did save his life. They're allies now - which is equal to being friends, in Luffy's eyes - and so hurting Law is a much better way to force Luffy to be emotionally invested in all this because he needs that personal connection to really have a reason to care. Sure, it's kind of fucked up, but that's the sort of person Luffy is.

                                                                                                      Luffy displayed barely any anger at all while fighting Kuro- right up until he massacred his men (not mindlessly, for a reason). The emotional highpoint of the entire arc for Luffy is him yelling in anger at "What the hell Kuro thinks a crew is?!". Just like when Arlong says he can "use" Nami, Luffy doesn't really like when friendship is used.
                                                                                                      Luffy got pissed when Krieg gassed Gin, too.
                                                                                                      Really, Luffy just needs to have seen someone have an attachment to something/someone for him to care if that attachment is slighted.

                                                                                                      And like I said, Sanji plainly states: My captain hates people who treat their men like shit.

                                                                                                      Beating up people who fuck over their comrades is written into Luffys DNA.

                                                                                                      Urouge 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                                      • T
                                                                                                        themick
                                                                                                        last edited by
                                                                                                        T
                                                                                                        spiral
                                                                                                        themick
                                                                                                        spiral

                                                                                                        If momonsuke has really turned into a dragon hope isnt completely lost because chopper can talk to animals so he can talk to momonsuke and try to figure out what happened and how to reverse it.

                                                                                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0

                                                                                                        • 1
                                                                                                        • 2
                                                                                                        • 8
                                                                                                        • 9
                                                                                                        • 10
                                                                                                        • 11
                                                                                                        • 12
                                                                                                        • 19
                                                                                                        • 20
                                                                                                        • 10 / 20
                                                                                                        • First post
                                                                                                          Last post
                                                                                                        Powered by NodeBB | Contributors