@Cyan:
No, Broadway. Don't be tempted.
I mean.
What the fuck was that?
@Cyan:
No, Broadway. Don't be tempted.
I mean.
What the fuck was that?
I heard they'll be in Annapolis soon, well damn, it was such a nice town.
See the inspiring story of http://natephelps.com/. Nate Phelps is now a preeminent rationalist and child abuse/ LGBT activist
Intrestingly enough, I actually believe Nate is supposed to have a lecture around my neck of the woods real soon. I'll be intrested to see him.
Freedom of speech is one of those things in America that bugs me somewhat. It's a great privilege, but it also crosses the line where people are free to offend with non-violence. I like to believe that somewhere in the future and maybe even during this era, that words do get equal as enough treatment as actual violence. Because it's bullshit to say that being offended/hurt/angered by crap like this is really "just choice."
I like to believe that somewhere in the future and maybe even during this era, that words do get equal as enough treatment as actual violence. Because it's bullshit to say that being offended/hurt/angered by crap like this is really "just choice."
Wishful thinking that will cause major problems for legislation and give rise to an ample amount of lawsuits based on "what he said" and "what she said" as well as precedents that determine what is actually "hurtful or not" and the amount of pain it inflicts upon another individual that demands a certain amount of payment…and on and on and on (it can go on forever). Yeah, it's a headache for the legal system.
Wishful thinking that will cause major problems for legislation and give rise to an ample amount of lawsuits based on "what he said" and "what she said" as well as precedents that determine what is actually "hurtful or not" and the amount of pain it inflicts upon another individual that demands a certain amount of payment…and on and on and on (it can go on forever). Yeah, it's a headache for the legal system.
We'd never make progress until we cross that bridge, but I do get what you mean. The legal system already has several holes that are exploited as it is.
I like to believe that these guys are just some really fucking hardcore undercover gay rights activists! Spreading that awful stigma all over themselves any other supposedly "reasonable" proponents of anti lgbt sentiment. You know, common enemy and all that jazz.
Also heard that the IRS hasn't stripped a religious institution of its tax exempt status in forever. Pretty good target to start on.
Fuck this "church".
@joekido:
How is saying "fuck you" is going to take any effect on westboro? Just go and bomb the Fucken church
Y'know, I pondered about this today. Given their notorious reputation and inconsiderate maliciousness, how come no one has ever taken any sort of extreme action against them? I am no supporter of violence and killing, even given Westboro's sickening nature, but I just don't understand how they have managed to go around shitting on people's mournings for so long and not face any sort of extreme violence from some lone person, or even a small group who was pushed past their limits of tolereance with the "church."
I guess no one has been pushed to that point yet, or finds prison time worth it. And I guess that is true; the WBC are so ridiculously awful no one takes them serious, or worth it, even given how evil they have been. I still find that hard to believe that not one person has ever attempted some sort of extreme attack, but maybe it's for the best.
Honestly, even given their terribleness, it would still be better to see the group's demise in a non-violent, law-abiding way, rather than more bloodshed. At least it would be just and fair, unlike their interpretations of holy writings that they preach.
They said the same thing about the massacre at Dark Knight Rises midnight screening. The thoughts and things they do is enough to grant them great hatred. I am hoping that they get branded as a hate group like The Klan.
No worse.
They said the same thing about the five-dozen children massacre in Norway by a madman last year.
They even were considering FLYING there to protest.
It would have given me much joy if they did, and were arrested at the customs, and thrown in jail over there.
Although America would be in forever debt for letting another state take out our own trash.
I literally lost it at "The Holy Spirit ain't got a pen"
My co-workers are wondering why I'm in tears and rolling on the floor.
Aaand now Anonymous has declared war on these guys.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule.
Anon's Declaration of War:
They've already apparently disseminated names, phone numbers, and addresses of church members. I think if anyone could actually bring this group to their knees non-violently, it would be anon.
America's rulings on freedom of speech are in my opinion its greatest success. Lots of European countries' freedom of speech is more muddled. The WBC would almost certainly serve time in jail, and I'd argue that's counter-productive, because then everybody would think justice had been served without looking at the larger root cause of the problem–the perniciousness of evangelicalism in general. When they remain in the public eye, they continue to depreciate the brand indefinitely, as Zephos said.
I used to hate them, I used to want to kill them, slaughter them in fact. But now I don't even think about them. Anytime I see them do something asinine, I close the page. The greatest thing you can do to these bible belt hillbillies is to ignore them, as hard as it is.
@Monkey:
So if we got attacked for marrying gays, what was the deal with Oregon and Colorado and Texas.
They're "enablers" by not waging genocide on those state that did and besides they probably have some catholics in there somewhere, and since the WBC proved Benedict XVI is the Beast of the Apocalypse…..
Seriously, isn't them calling the US President "the antichrist" sueable ? I mean, they're practicaly commiting treason on a daily basis, plus they're insulting foreign nations with good relationships with the US.
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@Monkey:
There was a video of a car they're in getting fucked up. Though the group's reactions were creepily gleeful.
That's what I find strangest about them. They don't ever seem sad or even angry about humanity being doomed or whatever. They literally always come off like they can barely contain themselves with glee, like they genuinely HATE everyone and love expressing it.
Wasn't there a video of some of them taken where they basicly said how "glad" they are that no one else is going to be "saved" when the endtimes come ?
Honestly, even given their terribleness, it would still be better to see the group's demise in a non-violent, law-abiding way, rather than more bloodshed. At least it would be just and fair, unlike their interpretations of holy writings that they preach.
Guess if bloodshed was used against them, that would only serve to make martyrs. And their spirit/beliefs just wouldn't die.
Guess if bloodshed was used against them, that would only serve to make martyrs.
For who ?
@No:
For who ?
To…..anyone that supports their beliefs? It's not possible to dispel everyone all at once, is it?
To…..anyone that supports their beliefs? It's not possible to dispel everyone all at once, is it?
I honestly thought, based on reports, that basicly no one outside their family does.
@No:
I honestly thought, based on reports, that basicly no one outside their family does.
Well, they're not exactly in the majority.
@No:
Seriously, isn't them calling the US President "the antichrist" sueable ? I mean, they're practicaly commiting treason on a daily basis, plus they're insulting foreign nations with good relationships with the US.
You'd have to put a good fifth or sixth of the country behind bars.
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You know what's funny? Fred Phelps is supposed to be among the exalted during the Rapture, obviously, but he's pushing it with a foot in the grave. When he dies, how will they rationalize it?
@No:
I honestly thought, based on reports, that basicly no one outside their family does.
There are plenty of people who share their hatred of the homosexual, and say they will all burn in hell, as well as preachers who say "it was divine punishment" for various tragedy that happens…. just not to the psychotic extent of these guys.
As disgusting as the WBC may be, they are nothing but an extreme projection of similar hate and bigotry all over the nation.
I used to hate them, I used to want to kill them, slaughter them in fact. But now I don't even think about them. Anytime I see them do something asinine, I close the page. The greatest thing you can do to these bible belt hillbillies is to ignore them, as hard as it is.
That's because you're not on the receiving end of their heinous acts.
Try "ignoring" them when they're screaming at your face while you try to hold funeral for your loved ones at the graveyard.
If we "ignored" then, no one would step up to help the families of the slain. Do you really think that's the answer?
Sure, YOU wouldn't be bothered, but you're also ignoring the pain of their victims.
If we ignored them, we wouldn't be able to gather for body blocking them from the victims.
That is why just "ignoring" them is actually selfish, as it only puts your own interest.
Trust me if they were in my neighborhood after a similar incident happened, I'd very well pay attention so I can join the cause to keep them out of the graves. In fact, there'll probably be at least a dozen people from my own company joining the blockade.
I wish it weren't true, but Aohige's got a point. For example, the founder of Focus on the Family, which was once a fairly tame and typical evangelical organization, made similar comments, and it's hard to lump him in with the fringe: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/james-dobson-connecticut-shooting-gay-marriage_n_2318015.html
Exactly. WBC is just a particularly rotten branch of a rotten tree.
That's because you're not on the receiving end of their heinous acts.
You're wrong. You remember the court case with the supreme court they out of all things won, I was at that funeral.
@Aohige_APTry:
"ignoring" them when they're screaming at your face while you try to hold funeral for your loved ones at the graveyard.
If we "ignored" then, no one would step up to help the families of the slain. Do you really think that's the answer?
Sure, YOU wouldn't be bothered, but you're also ignoring the pain of their victims.
Ya know, WBC maybe a bunch of zealots who have no consideration in a bubble not that far off from most dinosaur conseratives, but they are smart and know their rights. All you can do is ignore them, and most communities do. When the Neo Nazi party had a parade in NYC they blocked majority of the streets and no one showed up. When was the last time you heard anything about NN since then? Not much. It embarrassed them, the end.
@Aohige_APTry:
If we ignored them, we wouldn't be able to gather for body blocking them from the victims.
That is why just "ignoring" them is actually selfish, as it only puts your own interest.Trust me if they were in my neighborhood after a similar incident happened, I'd very well pay attention so I can join the cause to keep them out of the graves. In fact, there'll probably be at least a dozen people from my own company joining the blockade.
Ignoring new's, feeds, pod casts, even their documentary hurts them more than anything. The whole point of their existance is to make you hear their voice. What does the public generally do? They overtalk them, block them out make them able to ignore them. When thread's, episodes, any form of media is created that is outside of your local area where you can actually participate in something is spreading infamy.
And you know what, I threw a rock at them, I hit that smug b`itches 8 year old son when she used him as a shield. I got detained for it but fortunately the local officers of the area we're more about giving me high fives than anything.
You're wrong. You remember the court case with the supreme court they out of all things won, I was at that funeral.
If you joined the cause, then good for you!
Ya know, WBC maybe a bunch of zealots who have no inconsideration in a bubble not that far off from most dinosaur conseratives, but they are smart and know their rights. All you can do is ignore them, and most communities do. When the Neo Nazi party had a parade in NYC they blocked majority of the streets and no one showed up. When was the last time you heard anything about NN since then? Not much. It embarrassed them, the end.
Which is good, but that's only relevant when WBC is "embarassed and stop showing up" isn't it?
Ignoring new's, feeds, pod casts, even their documentary hurts them more than anything. The whole point of their existance is to make you hear their voice. What does the public generally do? They overtalk them, block them out make them able to ignore them. When thread's, episodes, any form of media is created that is outside of your local area where you can actually participate in something is spending infamy.
And you know what, I threw a rock at them, I hit that smug b`itches 8 year old son when she used him as a shield. I got detained for it but fortunately the local officers of the area we're more about giving me high fives than anything.
Well, I'll take it back. I can't be proud of you.
What you're saying is great sounding, but none of it is a solution to "when they show up in Connecticut" now is it?
How is you suggesting everyone ignore this, don't even cover it, going to stop the mothers and fathers at the funeral in New York from getting harassed?
I'm asking you a simple answer, you're going everywhere but answering it.
"How is ignoring them going to help the parents of the six years olds at the funeral for the Sandy Elementary school kids. "
Give me an straight up answer to this.
In fact, why don't you go to the FB page gathering bodies for barricade, and tell them "dude you're wasting time you should just ignore them". See if that goes well.
"How is ignoring them going to help the parents of the six years olds at the funeral for the Sandy Elementary school kids. "
Give me an straight up answer to this.
I was more insulted by your assumption of my stance. But to reassure you, they won't go to connecticut. This is over their head's to attack such a travesty of parents who have prepared unopened christmas presents of their now dead children, I can assure you one of the members would be killed as they have nothing else to really lose.
To answer your question, under the assumption they will show up;
There are groups of anti WBC that follow them for this very purpose, they keep up with their news feeds/website what have you. The only people who need to know, who will take action already have the information. At most this should be spread as a forewarning to a local level, not an international one where most news media will beat it like a dead horse, thus reinforcing their existance and giving them purpose.
tldr; There are anti-WBC groups that will already by default take action. You also have to consider Obama made a public speech, with a threat of something like this, it wouldn't surprise me if there is federal level security in one form or another be present.
Where are you assuming it's big internationally?
I haven't seen a single asian newsfeed that even pays attention to this.
The outcry almost all American, and few British, rest of the world may only see the news in a passing note of all other issues.
Also, an anti-WBC movement is a product of precisely because their attention-whoring actions got attention. You got it backwards.
I still find your attitude to be pretty disturbing. You're assuming nothing is going to happen, they won't show up, and all the times they HAVE shown up never happened, right?
Like I said, why don't you go to the FB page and express your thoughts there? And not in a venting thread here.
Zeph posted the link somewhere here or the news thread.
It's the whole point of this thread, what you're essentially doing is "dude this thread is dumb and I came here to point it out".
Which is why I'm not very pleased with it, ya know?
Where are you assuming it's big internationally?
I haven't seen a single asian newsfeed that even pays attention to this.
The outcry almost all American, and few British, rest of the world may only see the news in a passing note of all other issues.
Considering how controlled oriental countires are with news, that's not really surprising. Or should I link you to the discovery of NK's unicorn?
Also, an anti-WBC movement is a product of precisely because their attention-whoring actions got attention. You got it backwards.
Look, it's simple adult logic, if you scream louder than a child, the child will just scream louder, if it falls on deaf ear's they lose interest. We have an anti WBC movement because they create the illusion of deaf ears. There is a reason why they haven't been in the news for awhile now, because people got bored of them. Travesty happens, biggest thing in news since the election and they ride it, and you eat it just like they want you too.
I still find your attitude to be pretty disturbing. You're assuming nothing is going to happen, they won't show up, and all the times they HAVE shown up never happened, right?
Do you know the definition of disturbing? It's not disturbing, it's a very common opinion being shared right now, there are limitations even for a corrupt cult such as this.
Like I said, why don't you go off to the FB page and express your "thoughts" instead of here.
Zeph posted the link somewhere here or the news thread.
I don't use facebook, I don't agree with their terms of service when it comes to my personal information.
There is nothing wrong defending those who are defenseless. Publishing it on mainstream media, and you, indirectly supporting it, creates an endless loop of harrassment. This is basic 101 bully shit dude, get with the program.
It's the whole point of this thread, what you're essentially doing is "dude this thread is dumb and I came here to point it out".
Your argument is based on assumptions, baseless, pessismistic assumptions. You have no argument besides making up my own points. The whole point of my post was not to encourage the bullying, but to ignore it when all possible. Don't read articles pertaining them, don't participate in bashing them, if you're in a local area, by all means, protect those who are unprotected. There is a difference between boycotting and rolling on your back. That's how you hit back as an adult against a group that just wants you to listen.
Considering how controlled oriental countires are with news, that's not really surprising. Or should I link you to the discovery of NK's unicorn?
Should I point it out that it wasn't a unicorn, it was a Kirin, a Chinese mythological creature, and N.Korea was part of China during those times?
Finding a place claiming to be a cave of Kirin isn't actually surprising, and YOUR Western media is what made sensationalism out of nothing?
Yeah, you probably don't want to argue this with an actual ASIAN.
Look, it's simple adult logic, if you scream louder than a child, the child will just scream louder, if it falls on death ear's they lose interest. We have an anti WBC movement because they create the illusion of deaf ears. There is a reason why they haven't been in the news for awhile now, because people got bored of them. Travesty happens, biggest thing in news since the election and they ride it, and you eat it just like they want you too.
Do you know the definition of disturbing? It's not disturbing, it's a very common opinion being shared right now, there are limitations even for a corrupt cult such as this.
I don't use facebook, I don't agree with their terms of service when it comes to my personal information.
There is nothing wrong defending those who are defenseless. Publishing it on mainstream media, and you, indirectly supporting it, creates an endless loop of harrassment. This is basic 101 bully shit dude, get with the program.
Your argument is based on assumptions, baseless, pessismistic assumptions. You have no argument besides making up my own points. The whole point of my post was not to encourage the bullying, but to ignore it when all possible. Don't read articles pertaining them, don't participate in bashing them, if you're in a local area, by all means, protect those who are unprotected. There is a difference between boycotting and rolling on your back. That's how you hit back as an adult against a group that just wants you to listen.
Dude.
You're.
In.
A.
Venting.
Thread.
Should I point it out that it wasn't a unicorn, it was a Kirin, a Chinese mythological creature, and N.Korea was part of China during those times?
Finding a place claiming to be a cave of Kirin isn't actually surprising, and YOUR Western media is what made sensationalism out of nothing? Yeah, you probably don't want to argue this with an actual ASIAN
It was actually a dragon last time I checked (a dragon like creature). But hey, let's just ignore the whole mythological which kind of makes the joke.
I just love how many assumptions you make about me. Do you know my name as well? I'm dating an asian and my best friend in real life of about 14 years is asian. Mr "actual" asian.
Dude.
You're.
In.
A.
Venting.
Thread.
You claim to be an adult and we're children. That's nice bro, but you know what?
You're in a venting thread.
Funny I recall just speaking to you about your view point being juvenile. Are you trying to bring in everyone else to create this illusion it's the entire thread against me to reinforce your arguments you assume are shared?
What I stated was innocent enough, you're attempting to twist it to the best of your ability to reflect that I'm empathetic towards the entire situation.
Reread my post, I didn't deny anyone the right to vent, I didn't say nor imply the thread was worthless, I didn't discourage any actions. I simply stated that the best way to hurt them (which I'm sure is on someones mind during a vent in some form or another) is to ignore mainstream media, because they are bat shit crazy.
You followed up saying ignoring just makes them win, I countered stating that's not true, where you followed up with "WELL YOU'RE IN A VENT THREAD HOW DARE YOU CALL THIS THREAD MEANINGLESS", which I did not do. You're looking for a fight, ironically like WBC.
It was actually a dragon last time I checked (a dragon like creature). But hey, let's just ignore the whole mythological which kind of makes the joke.
I just love how many assumptions you make about me. Do you know my name as well? I'm dating an asian and my best friend in real life of about 14 years is asian. Mr "actual" asian.
Uh… There was a cave, with ancient sign that says it's a net of Kirin.
So N.Korea was claiming the origin of Kirin was theirs, whereas, the joke is, China has the mythology all over the place, far predating theirs so there's no concrete evidence of origin of the myth.
Don't focus on the "LOL THEY SAY UNICORNS EXIST LOLOLOLOL" of Western news coverage.
It was sensationalist bullshit, and you should know better.
Funny I recall just speaking to you about your view point being juvenile. Are you trying to bring in everyone else to create this illusion it's the entire thread against me to reinforce your arguments you assume are shared?
What I stated was innocent enough, you're attempting to twist it to the best of your ability to reflect that I'm empathetic towards the entire situation.
Reread my post, I didn't deny anyone the right to vent, I didn't say nor imply the thread was worthless, I didn't discourage any actions. I simply stated that the best way to hurt them (which I'm sure is on someones mind during a vent in some form or another) is to ignore mainstream media, because they are bat shit crazy.
You followed up saying ignoring just makes them win, I countered stating that's not true, where you followed up with "WELL YOU'RE IN A VENT THREAD HOW DARE YOU CALL THIS THREAD MEANINGLESS", which I did not do. You're looking for a fight, ironically like WBC.
I don't think it's the best way to hurt them, since as mentioned earlier in the thread, demonizing the extreme may be a way to bring the root of the problem to attention.
"Ignoring" them as just "bad apples" doesn't do anything to progress the dealing of the entire apple tree, which is rotten to a point.
And cut with the name calling bro, I haven't gone to such low length towards you.
I may be critical of your viewpoints, name-calling to such low extent, I have not. You're an "adult", correct?
No need for passive-aggressive snapping, let's stay level. Ok?
It was actually a dragon last time I checked (a dragon like creature). But hey, let's just ignore the whole mythological which kind of makes the joke.
I just love how many assumptions you make about me. Do you know my name as well? I'm dating an asian and my best friend in real life of about 14 years is asian. Mr "actual" asian.
Thank god I missed the unicorn thing. God I hate cable news.
Uh… There was a cave, with ancient sign that says it's a net of Kirin.
So N.Korea was claiming the origin of Kirin was theirs, whereas, the joke is, China has the mythology all over the place, far predating theirs so there's no concrete evidence of origin of the myth.
Don't focus on the "LOL THEY SAY UNICORNS EXIST LOLOLOLOL" of Western news coverage.
It was sensationalist bullshit, and you should know better.
North korea is kind of the joke of the modern world, so no I shouldn't. Thanks for reinforcing that it was in fact a joke. It was also a coincidence they fell for that "onion" article not even a week previously. But there are plenty of other examples, especially in china, such as train crashes litterally covered up and ignored. Though that was a year ago.
I don't think it's the best way to hurt them, since as mentioned earlier in the thread, demonizing the extreme may be a way to bring the root of the problem to attention.
"Ignoring" them as just "bad apples" doesn't do anything to progress the dealing of the entire apple tree, which is rotten to a point.
The point you seem to miss is that they are well within their american rights. The only justice you could do is ignore them, what else can you do? Constantly attack them? That put's YOU at risk. We agree to disagree but let's remember my opinion is based on law and the statement by the supreme court.
And cut with the name calling bro, I haven't gone to such low length towards you.
What name calling? I don't recall using any derogatories towards you. Are you referring to 'juvenile'? That's not a derogatory statement at all.
I may be critical of your viewpoints, name-calling to such low extent, I have not. You're an "adult", correct?
No need for passive-aggressive snapping, let's stay level. Ok?
So you just said "umadbro" to summarize and try to show some sort of supperiority? Come on. I think this discussion is over, you are completely off topic with majority of your arguments, won't concede the obvious, and have made to many baseless assumptions for me to give any credibility to your posts concerning this.
It says something when the Westboro Baptist Church is too extreme for the Klu Klux Klan & some chapters of the KKK have started doing counter-protests against the WBC.
North korea is kind of the joke of the modern world, so no I shouldn't. Thanks for reinforcing that it was in fact a joke. It was also a coincidence they fell for that "onion" article not even a week previously. But there are plenty of other examples, especially in china, such as train crashes litterally covered up and ignored. Though that was a year ago.
Where are you even running with this mess?
What does any of this have to do with the rest of the world not giving a shit about bigots in US acting like idiots?
The point you seem to miss is that they are well within their american rights. The only justice you could do is ignore them, what else can you do? Constantly attack them? That put's YOU at risk. We agree to disagree but let's remember my opinion is based on law and the statement by the supreme court.
Uhhh…. when has "criticizing the WBC" become "violating their American rights"????
Seriously, what in the hell are you assuming here?
No, we're saying, by WBC being under fire of criticism by the nation, they present themselves as an extreme example of what's wrong with their thought process.
Which is, unfortunately, more or less shared by a large percentage of our population. Demonizing the extreme worked well for the civil rights did it not?
What name calling? I don't recall using any derogatories towards you. Are you referring to 'juvenile'? That's not a derogatory statement at all.
You're looking for a fight, ironically like WBC.
Mr "actual" asian.
So you just said "umadbro" to summarize and try to show some sort of supperiority? Come on. I think this discussion is over, you are completely off topic with majority of your arguments, won't concede the obvious, and have made to many baseless assumptions for me to give any credibility to your posts concerning this.
That is entirely NOT what I said. I said, Chill Out, let's keep this at level, which is pretty much the opposite of "umadbro".
Dude, you keep making complete off-the-wall "baseless assumptions". Like the above, assuming we're here to physically attack the WBC, infringing on their American rights, etc. I'm sorry, but this last rambling statement you posted goes entirely towards your own post.
If you can't carry on, by all means, go ahead and leave. I'm asking you to keep your head level, and I guess that's too much to ask.
Obviously this thread isn't really your cup of tea, as this is more or less a… how was it worded.. oh yeah, "Fuck you WBC" thread.
You're right about one thing. The conversation is over. Throwing a tantrum isn't going to get us anywhere.
Dude, you keep making complete off-the-wall "baseless assumptions". Like the above, assuming we're here to physically attack the WBC, infringing on their American rights, etc. I'm sorry, but this last rambling statement you posted goes entirely towards your own post.
Where are you getting this information from, are you reading my posts?
1)) WBC is already the most hated family in America, that's a fact. So we established that we as Americans denounce their beliefs. That was your plan. That was it. And guess what, 3 years later and going strong. Yet by my plan they were out of the mainstream news for nearly half a year. HM.
2A) I did not say the thread was worthless, that was your original argument, you conceded this by not responding.
2B) You assumed that my intent was to everyone to stop belly aching and allow them to harrass you because any retilation escalates the problem. I corrected you, any correspondence from mainstream media does escalate the problem but that does not mean going belly up.
2C) I did not name call you, nor have I lost my temper. This entire discussion has led to you making, frankly, obnoxious assumptions to create distractions from the actual points, including trying to judge my tone through text.
The rest of your post is not worth confronting as it's just more distraction from the main point, you're wrong.
EDIT: Also how is calling you "Mr asian" A derogatory when you tried to flaunt that you were in fact asian, me mocking the fact that it's irrelevant. Your strategy of debate is much like WBC's in terms of word twisting and assumption grasping, nothing offensive about that. Sound's like an insecurity issue, much like the supposed age gap that you we assume, (hey look that word again) we have.
Fuck these guys.
Where are you getting this information from, are you reading my posts?
1)) WBC is already the most hated family in America, that's a fact. So we established that we as Americans denounce their beliefs. That was your plan. That was it. And guess what, 3 years later and going strong. Yet by my plan they were out of the mainstream news for nearly half a year. HM.
- I hope you notice you have completely avoided every point I've made that shows you're wrong.
2A) I did not say the thread was worthless, that was your original argument, you conceded this by not responding.
2B) You assumed that my intent was to everyone to stop belly aching and allow them to harrass you because any retilation escalates the problem. I corrected you, any correspondence from mainstream media does escalate the problem but that does not mean going belly up.
2C) I did not name call you, nor have I lost my temper. This entire discussion has led to you making, frankly, obnoxious assumptions to create distractions from the actual points, including trying to judge my tone through text.
The rest of your post is not worth confronting as it's just more distraction from the main point, you're wrong.
Actual points?
What is the actual point? The actual point is, whether or not "ignore the trolls" is the best way to confront the WBC, is it not?
That is your point, is it not? I've made MULTIPLE attempts to bring you back to this discussion, yet you're dead-set on personal vendetta instead of thread topic. I'm sorry, but you are the one that's consistently distracting and subverting the issue from what's actually relevant to the thread. Hell, the 1) in this post above is the only thing relevant to the thread discussion.
International coverage? Unicorns? Assuming we're here to violate WBC's American rights? Continuous, insistent, personal attacks?
As for "assumptions", I made the assumption that WBC will show up at Connecticut, or at least, has a chance they will.
My first question to you was, please, explain how ignoring them is going to help the families of this tragedy.
Your reply was "they're not coming, and if they do, someone else is there to help them".
How is that not an assumption? My assumption that they will show up is wrong, but yours is an undeniable truth?
Only "assumption" that I made, that you are DEAD SET on discussing, is that I had assumed you're simply disregarding the whole point of this thread.
I do not feel that's baseless from everything you have said, however, you took this personally, and ENTIRELY FOCUSED on defending yourself.
Look bro. Chill out, and read your own posts… and mine as well. Your ego is just not that important. Or mine for that matter, even if it is the size of Texas. Let's discuss the WBC matter, instead of about yourself.
As for your 1), if I'm reading this correctly, you're basically claiming that WBC cannot gain any more infamy than they have, therefore more exposure will not achieve anything. Well, KKK's infamy knew no ends, but we didn't stop focusing on them in attempt to paint the racism issue as a whole to be damaging to the society, right? We only stopped focusing on them once the issue was resolved in civil rights movement, and they were rendered irrelevant by the passing of time.
As I see WBC as a hate-group, albeit a much smaller scale, the same thing can apply.
Until the LGBT movement is fulfilled, pressure of fire need not be stopped. That is my opinion on the matter.
It says something when the Westboro Baptist Church is too extreme for the Klu Klux Klan & some chapters of the KKK have started doing counter-protests against the WBC.
I'm glad someone who posted that, because if you didn't I would have.
I really hope WBC considers that; you know ya fucked up when white supremacists think you've gone too far.
Honestly, saying "whoa even the KKK hates the WBC" isn't really saying anything. By their nature each one of these fringe groups hates all of the other fringe groups. And the closer they are ideologically, the more venomous their vitriol. You should see some of the nasty shit evangelical leaders say about each other.
The KKK apparently only take offense to the WBC's protesting of soldier funerals, anyway.
Honestly, saying "whoa even the KKK hates the WBC" isn't really saying anything. By their nature each one of these fringe groups hates all of the other fringe groups. And the closer they are ideologically, the more venomous their vitriol. You should see some of the nasty shit evangelical leaders say about each other.
Hey now, at least the Ku Klax Klan doesn't thank God for dead 6 year olds.
… unless they're colored.
As for religious leaders hating each other, I refer back to beginning history of USA.
They can't even like each other in the same family of religion, no wonder they can't like another religion.
FUCK YOU, WBC!