Disapointments

DarkShinobi

I was flipping throough the October issue of ASJ and was disapointed at a few things in One Piece. First, nakama has been translated as shipmate. It's gonna sound extremely weird seeing Luffy scream, "NAMI, YOU'RE MY SHIPMATE!!!!" It'd be better if they just kept it as friend.

In chapter 76, Sanji and Zoro's conversation about little tools and Nami's breasts was completely altered. Now, Sanji gets pissed at Zoro for calling Nami a wicked woman. If Viz is avoiding any talk of breats in One Piece now, I'd hate to think what they'd do when Nami flashes everyone in Alabasta.

Also, Viz made a whole big stink about the Naruto dub. The first 10 or so pages were just advertizements for the dub and Naruto merchandise. It really sickens me that Naruto gets all this praise and yet One Piece gets shit on.

Viz also just showed Bellemere's death. The people who just watch and read the dub and ASJ must be going "wtf?!" by now. Imagine their surpise in the coming months.:laugh:

oceanizer

Please don't bash other series. I'm not familiar with ASJ, but we probably had so much advertisements when One Piece first started. I don't know, I'm guessing.

Besides, Naruto isn't all that bad. (I liked it in its earlier stage.) After all, Naruto's more popular than One Piece among American kids.

That said… Translating nakama as shipmate is weird. But nakama is hard word to translate. "Friend" is not really a good translation, either. I remember discussing it with some Japanese-familiar people in this forum how to translate it. I think after that discussion, I changed my translation to comrade.

DarkShinobi

Besides, Naruto isn't all that bad. (I liked it in its earlier stage.) After all, Naruto's more popular than One Piece among American kids.

I did too, but after the Chuunin Exams, I became less and less interested in it.

I remember discussing it with some Japanese-familiar people in this forum how to translate it. I think after that discussion, I changed my translation to comrade.

That'd probably be the best way of translating nakama in One Piece.

Darkariel

@oceanizer:

Translating nakama as shipmate is weird. But nakama is hard word to translate. "Friend" is not really a good translation, either. I remember discussing it with some Japanese-familiar people in this forum how to translate it. I think after that discussion, I changed my translation to comrade.

Anyways nakama can mean company, fellow, colleague, associate, comrade, mate, group, circle of friends or partner

The ones that suit One Piece better are comrade, mate, circle of friends or partner

Anyways the comrade one is correct

warp

heh circle of friends. " Nami! come join our circle of friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" lol

Zephos

I actually prefer shipmate to friend in certain places….
Though I think thats because reading Yugioh vol.3 ruined the word for me for all time....

But the tool thing......lame....now no cussing or sexual references...

And yes, a LARGE portion of dubbies read ASJ, so the "Wtf?!"s should be wonderful.XD

CosmicDebris

They still might say "friend" in that that particular scene. They said friend in the dub.
At least they aren't making stupid edits to the manga. I just saw the part where Nami stabs Usopp in SJ. Nice to see it's not rubber.

Bounty1Berry

Well, did anyone really expect "nakama" to be the word used? I can see surprise at the choice of replacement (shipmate is bizarre, if you were going for that effect, 'crewman' perhaps…) but not at the fact it was replaced. It's not an english word, and doesn't really mean anything except to a part of the fandom which isn't buying ASJ to get their OP fix.

WRT the breast edit, I'd expect there's a lot more licence to fiddle with the dialogue than the art. (God, I am SO sick of this country's prudiness. Yes. It's a breast. Looking it will not permanently shatter your soul or turn you into a rapist.)

I desperately need to get these last few issues.

d3adpool

i dont find all that wrong the use of shipmate, but then again i dont have to worry since the brazilian release has a great translation (despite Ruffy, Logue Town and another dumb mistakes)

wintergt

@d3adpool:

i dont find all that wrong the use of shipmate, but then again i dont have to worry since the brazilian release has a great translation (despite Ruffy, Logue Town and another dumb mistakes)

It actually is Logue Town and not Rogue Town though..

Ivotas

Yep, jack is right. It is LogueTown. You can see the original spelling if you click here.

Demon Days

I recently got volumes 3, 4 and 5 of the OP manga (I love the Kuro arc) and was slightly disappointed to see Kuro's best attack still as out-of-the-bag attack, but it grew on me.

d3adpool

i mispelled… they used RogueTown (even with that arch with Logue Town written on it)

joekido the Second

How many One Piece chapters does the October ASJ issues have?

Hyper Dingo

Actually, when they used to have kanji definitions as a little extra ASJ had used Nakama. So it isnt a matter of them mistranslating it. Dunno which issue it was in…

CosmicDebris

BTW, about Zoro not talking about Nami's breasts, if I recall correctly, what Zoro actually said was a term that Sanji mistook for meaning she had small breasts. I think it's more likely that the reason it was changed is because they couldn't find a good English equivelent for that exchange.

taboo

Yeah, calling someone a 'little servant' doesn't sound all that bad in english. xP

Greg

I was flipping throough the October issue of ASJ and was disapointed at a few things in One Piece. First, nakama has been translated as shipmate.

How dare they translate Japanese to English. The bastards.

KatanaJon1.1

How dare they translate Japanese to English. The bastards.

We shall tolerate this tomfoolery no longer!

taboo

I don't think he was that mad that they translated it, as much as what they translated it to. Nma.

Mog

I don't really think he was referring to the fact it was translated to begin with, but more talking about how he considered their translation a bad choice. If he wasn't, I agree with you, of course.

If he was… Listen, the word has many different meanings. There'd be no sense whatsoever in Viz constantly translating the term with ''shipmate''. As any translator will do, they'll come up with different variations of the term to fit the context. Which is only natural.

There's no need to get all pumped up just because this one time it was translated as ''shipmate''.

EDIT: Taboo beat me to it. For this, a penalty. SLIDING DEATH CHOP. Okay I'm done.

ehhh, most american kids would think "comrade" was more russian than anything else. (No offensive to those that speak the language, but I played Red Alert and so did other people) Shipmate or crewmember sounds best if your not using friend. Or he just saying she was going to be his navigator…that might have worked too

taboo

Ohh, what if when Luffy's on the roof he says 'YOU'RE FAMILY!!' somthing? That wouldn't be too terrible.

Bounty1Berry

Well, "family" is a paint-you-into-the-corner move. There are things you can do to a nakama or crewman you can't do with a family member.

joekido the Second

Uhm, guys; I'm sorry but did you see my question? Well to whoever has a ASJ, is it still 3 chapters? Because it sounded like more then 3 chapters

Bloodfoot

@joekido:

Uhm, guys; I'm sorry but did you see my question? Well to whoever has a ASJ, is it still 3 chapters? Because it sounded like more then 3 chapters

Cripes, settle. Sometimes it's two or three or four. Depends on if they want to resolve cliffhangers of certain degrees.

Fandom is: telling highly-trained translators that they're wrong when they themselves have no clue if the fan-translation is 100% true. (/fanbash)

DarkShinobi

Uhm, guys; I'm sorry but did you see my question? Well to whoever has a ASJ, is it still 3 chapters? Because it sounded like more then 3 chapters

It was 3 chapters (76-78).

I don't think he was that mad that they translated it, as much as what they translated it to. Nma.

Yep, that's what I meant. Shipmate sounds kind of strange, IMO. Friend or comrade would've been better.

Zephos

Fandom is: Pronouncing Baroque, Barock because thats how the ja-va's did, regardless of the real word.

And I think its supposed to be Rougetown, the l is a case of engrish.

SereneCrimson

@Zephos:

Fandom is: Pronouncing Baroque, Barock because thats how the ja-va's did, regardless of the real word.

They say "Barock"?? I have always heard "Ba-row-ke" like its supposed to be pronounced.. maybe my ears are just weird then..

KatanaJon1.1

And I think its supposed to be Rougetown, the l is a case of engrish.

I don't know, Oda seems to have a good grasp of english.

Perhaps it's a refrence to the word Rouge or something.

Not anything worth fighting over though.

Solid

@Zephos:

And I think its supposed to be Rougetown, the l is a case of engrish.

Yes, that's right, same thing with Enel, it is Ener and it comes from Energy..

Zephos

@SereneCrimson:

They say "Barock"?? I have always heard "Ba-row-ke" like its supposed to be pronounced.. maybe my ears are just weird then..

Mad dudes was doin it on ToonZone.

Bounty1Berry

The Loguetown thing, I still am not sure. As I've said before, converting it to Roguetown implies the city was named with a conscious knowledge it would be a pirate haven, somewhat unlikely. Loguetown doesn't so much. The meaning can still be there, but indirectly now– by way of the L-R similarity.

The Enel-Ener thing got complex for me when I heard one had various allusions attached.

Bloodfoot

I know this like, third-hand or so, but Enel's name comes from an actual god. NOT THE WORD "ENERGY."

joekido the Second

@Bloodfoot:

I know this like, third-hand or so, but Enel's name comes from an actual god. NOT THE WORD "ENGERGY."

You spelled energy worng mind you.

CosmicDebris

And you spelled "wrong" wrong.

And as I recall, it was said that Enel is probably based off of either God Enel-Rah from Finnegan's Wake or an anciet Persian heretic phrase "Enel Rak" (I am God/Truth).

Bloodfoot

@joekido:

You spelled energy worng mind you.

Nitpicking gets you absolutely nowhere. And you have no room to point fingers at other posters' spelling.

Mog

As I've mentioned numerous times, Ener's name could just as well be a double pun on both meanings, one that only really works well in Japanese. As such, there is no better choice and everyone should just use the one they prefer. Until we're provided with an official spelling, at least. Until then, there's no ''true'' spelling, and fans can use whatever the hell they like.

KatanaJon1.1

Nitpicking gets you absolutely nowhere. And you have no room to point fingers at other posters' spelling.

He spelled "Wrong" wrong.

Come on now.

Zephos

@Mog:

As I've mentioned numerous times, Ener's name could just as well be a double pun on both meanings, one that only really works well in Japanese. As such, there is no better choice and everyone should just use the one they prefer. Until we're provided with an official spelling, at least. Until then, there's no ''true'' spelling, and fans can use whatever the hell they like.

I guess I prefer Ener, it simply rolls off the tounge better,

Uh-nareeeeee

rather than

Uh-nel

SereneCrimson

I use "Enel" pronounced as "N-L" but I guess that may be a wrong pronounciation.

d3adpool

Uh-nareee?? what kinda of language do you speak?

joekido the Second

@Bloodfoot:

Nitpicking gets you absolutely nowhere. And you have no room to point fingers at other posters' spelling.

And when people point fingers at me about my spelling do you care? No. People were free to point at my errors yet no one else told the person to be quite, so just let me do it because people do that here and they get away with it.

(Version 1)
Me: Hi, hor are you
Poster: You spelled "how" wrong
Other Posters: "…..."

(Version 2)
Me: Hey you spelled "Energy" worng
Other Posters: Hey you spell "Wrong" wrong

See the irony? I'm sorry to sound childish but that is how I see it. Sorry Bloodfoot, I'll stop nitpicking you.

CosmicDebris

Rule of thumb: If you're going to correct other people's spelling, make sure you don't have any errors in your own post. FYI I wouldn't have said anything about your post, joekido, if you had not nit-picked on the "energy".

taboo

Disappoinments? With Viz? I really don't have any. It's a pretty decent translation, even if they are a bit lukewarm on the cussing. But that's not a big deal. I let my sister read my copy of Romance Dawn last week and she loved it. Thought it was hilarious. xD

Ivotas

Personally I prefer Enel because it almost sounds like "Engel" which is the german term for Angel. Just fits a character who lives in the sky and considers himself a god better for my taste.

Mog

''Engel'' and ''Enel''… I've never seen the resemblance, but you have a point. Thing is, comparing Ener to an angel is like the oddest thing ever and I'd feel bad just doing it.

Besides that, I just use Ener because it just looks and sounds way more appealing to me.

Solid

@Bloodfoot:

I know this like, third-hand or so, but Enel's name comes from an actual god. NOT THE WORD "ENERGY."

Wtf is wrong with you? :S

Marcman2020

I perfer to call him "Eneru" since "Enel" sounds like "Anal" >.>

@DarkShinobi:

Also, Viz made a whole big stink about the Naruto dub. The first 10 or so pages were just advertizements for the dub and Naruto merchandise. It really sickens me that Naruto gets all this praise and yet One Piece gets shit on.

It was only 6 pages… and FYI, I did some counting...

If you include the anime episode guide, card game, video game page, and of course the chapters itself in Shonen Jump, there was a total of 55 One Piece related pages in the current issue

While Naruto, even with the anime info combined with the chapters in this months issue only had a total of 43 pages...

One Piece's 55 pages > Naruto's 43 pages

One Piece did NOT get shit on >.>

I did my best to count the pages, sue me if I got one little detail wrong, this is what I assume

btw, if you include both sides of the cover, then Naruto had 45 pages, but 55 is still higher than 45...

Marcman2020

Not to mention One Piece had a speical demo Disc in this same issue (For Subscibers only) and I think a video game disc (Even if it is just a demo) is bigger news compared to 6 pages of Naruto anime dub info/advertisements

Naruto did NOT hog up this issue as you make it sounds

(Sorry to double post, but when I try to edit the post above my computer freeze)