One Piece 692 : The killer from Dressrosa

[Enlighten]

@Chopperrules:

Yeah, I'm expecting a SUPER fight from the guy to make up for his absence for the past 15 or so chapters.

Wait, what? You believe the Straw Hats are strong enough to take on one of the Emperors? It's still way too early for that. I'm sorry, but trashing Hody Jones and his crew of weaklings does not prove the Straw Hats are strong enough to take on Whitebeard-level opponents. And mind you, Whitebeard was old, weak, and sick, yet still took down half the marine army, Akainu, and half of Marineford all by himself.

Also, you can feel free to hate Dofla, but I love the guy. He's literally like the Joker of One Piece, hence the name, and it's quite fitting.

About Franky losing… I hope not, but we'll see where this goes. Honestly, as much as I'd hate to see Franky lose, it would be good character development for him as opposed to his usual goofy nature.

That's an interesting theory for sure. We'll have to see where Oda goes with this.

Whitebeard was strong. There is no reason to believe all Yonko are equal. Shanks beat Kaido easily for example. There is no reason to believe their crews or influence with allied pirates are equal either. Lots of pirates respected WB. I doubt anyone who knows "I love candy" Big Mom will respect her equally. So yes I believe Kaido and Big Mom are dead pirates walking. It's just a matter of time.

[TheCrystalShip]

He looks like Lucci, period.

The only thing that makes me think he's not Lucci, is that I can't recognize his subordinate.

[Jegor]

What if Brook asks Baby 5 to show him her panties and she actually does this (in way similar to that scene with Nami in Alabasta)? Then everybody gets massive nosebleed and Baby 5 takes CC to Dressrosa.

Also about Kabuto - maybe some plant kind of devil fruit was applied to it, as parting gift from Heracles, but it's still growing. I wondered how can Usopp be the match for Van Augur (that I think will eventually be) without any kind of gun. His Kabuto eating DF seems to be the most reasonable solution. He can also develop some CoA :ninja:

[WarshipArc]

Can't wait untill the post arc damage report. Thats not to say I'm not enjoying Punk Hazzard, its just that seeing the future consequences to the Straw Hats latest shenanigans have always been my favorite part to any arc. And there were oh so many shenanigans this arc.

[Jabra]

@Maju:

let's just say that if it isn't Lucci,Oda is having trouble founding new designs for his characters after all this years

This, or he simply likes to tease the shit out of his fans. How many tophat wearing people are there now? Why does he not answer the question about the three cups?

@Chopperules:

CP9, insignificant? He had a cover story that was hinting at something important for the CP9 members.

I like you :wub:

[Enlighten]

@nodensuke:

I'm not completely sold on the idea, but I think it's a bit too soon to rule him out. It does have some merit, as seen here:
And sure, it's the New World and it could be anyone..But it COULD also be Lucci.

I'm aware of the famous whiskey label theory still not convinced. Why hide him? of all possible participants he is the least shocking or threatening what is the point?

[Drake_Cloud]

@Enlighten:

I'm aware of the famous whiskey label theory still not convinced. Why hide him? of all possible participants he is the least shocking or threatening what is the point?

Well, why hide the name of the targeted Yonkou despite dropping loads of hints that its Big Mam? Oda might just like to keep some ambiguity floating around.

[Downloading]

@Enlighten:

Like I said B5 and Buffalo see CC just as he hits the SAD Tanker whereas Law has to ask Luffy where he is a few minutes later. Why introduce that timing advantage if you're not going to use it? granted I'm not 0 sure. but I have reason to think Law will be too late.

He did that so that he can show what Franky can do against some actual enemies(and not some stupid NFP squid). You seriously think that Franky is gonna go down in a few minutes so that Law can't make to where he is?

[CaptainAppleJack]

@Enlighten:

I'm aware of the famous whiskey label theory still not convinced. Why hide him? of all possible participants he is the least shocking or threatening what is the point?

Because of the participants we already know, he would be the most surprising. It's like Enel would reappear in ~100 chapters and Oda would just show his face wide open right now.

Also if it's not someone we already know, why hide him at all?

[StarlightMan]

@Enlighten:

So I'm disappointed that SHs will bother with him instead of going straight to a yonko. Whether SHs need an alliance or not is an entirely different matter. I guess I made my peace with the idea since it was heavily foreshadowed. Namely in Sabaody Archipelago as the supernovas were introduced. Oda uses Kid, Law and Luffy to defeat a clearly inferior force of marines. I believe that was a harbinger of things to come.

Trust me, this is Big Mam's saga. Her shadow hangs over everything. Dofla is just another stepping stone. Every villain from here on will probably feel "saga worthy", because of all the big names residing in the New World. As was proven with Moriah, Luffy's come a long way since Crocodile, who was the centre of the Baroque Works saga. Now, a Shichibukai is just another enemy.

It's not a matter of the SH's "bothering" to deal with him. They'll have a clear motivation for going after Dofla, if CC and Franky are taken as you suggested before. Luffy's intention was never to go after a Yonkou straight outta the gate; more, "we'll deal with it when it happens." Luffy's goal is Raftel, and becoming Pirate King - not taking down big players along the way to make a name for himself (like Law and Kid seem focused on doing.) The fact that Luffy has been doing so is just a matter of circumstance/coincidence. The only reason he wants to fight Big Mam in the first place is to right what he feels is an injustice (Big Mam's immoral grip over Fishman Island.)
So you can bet that their heading to Dressrosa will be necessary and justified, whether or not it involves Law's desire to retrieve CC. I get the impression that, with Baby 5 and Monet's fear/hatred of Dofla, that they're more prisoners than crew mates. They have no choice but to work for Dofla because of his mind control (like what was hinted with Momo.) A man who treats his crew members like prisoners/subordinates is the kind of captain Luffy hates, and a man who needs to be taken down. Regardless of however many pies Dofla has his fingers in.

Given how Dofla likes to work in the shadows and is literally a puppet-master, I think you might be right about him. For all his grinning, he's a cowardly man with a cheap fruit.
But whether or not he's strong isn't the point - he's an asshole, and he needs to be dealt with quickly. If he is indeed in cohorts with Big Mam, then he would stand between her and Luffy; and isn't that enough cause for Dofla's arc to take place before Big Mam's?

[gottalt3OP]

@O:

I like your theory but what is the grey thing you talk about?

The coating people get when hit by the poison… xD

[Chopperrules]

@Enlighten:

Whitebeard was strong. There is no reason to believe all Yonko are equal. Shanks beat Kaido easily for example. There is no reason to believe their crews or influence with allied pirates are equal either. Lots of pirates respected WB. I doubt anyone who knows "I love candy" Big Mom will respect her equally. So yes I believe Kaido and Big Mom are dead pirates walking. It's just a matter of time.

Look, I get what you're saying. I mean, it's obvious Shanks and Whitebeard are the stronger of the four. It's also obvious Blackbeard, a rookie Yonkou, would not be as strong. However, it's too naive to assume Big Man and Kaidou are weaker than the Straw Hats without knowing anything about the extent of their abilities. We know one of them controls an army of Devil Fruit users. We also know one of Big Man's subordinates destroyed an entire country on his own. If that weirdo underling could do that and he bows his head to Big Man… well, you do the math. There's a reason for it.

I'm not saying Luffy and his crew aren't approaching the level needed to beat her, but I think another arc beforehand is necessary. If they manage to just barely beat Doflamingo by working together, it may be hinted they will be able to level up enough to go after Big Mam. But we'll have to see what happens, and if there is not another arc before Doflamingo.

@TheCrystalShip:

He looks like Lucci, period.

The only thing that makes me think he's not Lucci, is that I can't recognize his subordinate.

That alone does nothing for me, because he could have easily gotten more subordinates under his wing. Oda is teasing us, so he wouldn't plut Blueno (who I thought it was at first) in that panel as a dead give away.

@Jegor:

What if Brook asks Baby 5 to show her panties and she actually does this (in way similar to that scene with Nami in Alabasta)? Then everybody gets massive nosebleed and Baby 5 takes CC to Dressrosa.

I've been waiting for the day when Brook finally gets his face full of panty heaven. But he doesn't have a face. Yohohohoho!

@Jabra:

This, or he simply likes to tease the shit out of his fans. How many tophat wearing people are there now? Why does he not answer the question about the three cups?
I like you :wub:

It could also be Lucci's long lost brother. Imagine that.

And high-five to the fellow CP9 fan!

So, what do you guys think of the other shadowed brokers. One of them is either Kaido or probably an underling to Kaido.

Here's another completely wrong theory I'm throwing out there just for the lol's. That shadowed guy with the curly hair is in fact a buffed up Eneru who now smokes cigars in the blue sea world and got his drums surgically removed. Calling it now! shot

[ditihala]

Oh my god those legs!

OH MY GOD THAT HOWITZER!!

[Densuke]

@Enlighten:

I'm aware of the famous whiskey label theory still not convinced. Why hide him? of all possible participants he is the least shocking or threatening what is the point?

Why not hide him? Kid, Pekoms, and Tamago were shadowed as well, you could just tell more that it was them. I'd say he'd be the most shocking to see there, more so than the people actually confirmed. And saying he's less of a threat is like saying Crocodile is as well, and we all know he's in the New World.

[CaptainAppleJack]

@Chopperrules:

So, what do you guys think of the other shadowed brokers.

The underling of the horns guy reminds me of Nezumi a bit. :X

[Downloading]

@Enlighten:

Whitebeard was strong. There is no reason to believe all Yonko are equal. Shanks beat Kaido easily for example. There is no reason to believe their crews or influence with allied pirates are equal either. Lots of pirates respected WB. I doubt anyone who knows "I love candy" Big Mom will respect her equally. So yes I believe Kaido and Big Mom are dead pirates walking. It's just a matter of time.

a) Shanks didn't beat Kaido.
b) We aren't even sure if he can beat Kaido. He could probably do it, but he can't do it easily for sure.

[Chopperrules]

@CaptainAppleJack:

The underling of the horns guy reminds me of Nezumi a bit. :X

It's hard to tell, but it would be interesting if it turned out to be the case.

Who do you suppose this "Jack" character is?

Any possibility of Buggy's crew/Mr. 3 showing up any time soon? I really miss those guys. Crocodile too, but I'm not expecting to see him for some time. There's a better chance of seeing Buggy earlier.

[Enlighten]

@Drake_Cloud:

Well, why hide the name of the targeted Yonkou despite dropping loads of hints that its Big Mam? Oda might just like to keep some ambiguity floating around.

No that serves a purpose. We are still guessing who is said Yonko. All we have are guesses. It's more probable that is is BM. However there is still enough excitement around the issue to warrant the author's choice of ambiguity. Lucci is just a has been. No need to hide him.

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@Downloading:

He did that so that he can show what Franky can do against some actual enemies(and not some stupid NFP squid). You seriously think that Franky is gonna go down in a few minutes so that Law can't make to where he is?

Yes for purposes of plot as I have explained. Granted this is merely a prediction. But for the time being I stick by it.

[Densuke]

@Enlighten:

No that serves a purpose. We are still guessing who is said Yonko. All we have are guesses. It's more probable that is is BM. However there is still enough excitement around the issue to warrant the author's choice of ambiguity. Lucci is just a has been. No need to hide him.

I'm starting to think you actually do believe it's Lucci, and just can't admit it because of how much you hate him.

[CaptainAppleJack]

@Enlighten:

No that serves a purpose. We are still guessing who is said Yonko. All we have are guesses. It's more probable that is is BM. However there is still enough excitement around the issue to warrant the author's choice of ambiguity. Lucci is just a has been. No need to hide him.

If it is Lucci then he will probably have an important role again later on. It has nothing to do with Luffy being much stronger than him now.

Crocodile was also shown in shadows in Impel Down at first btw.

[Enlighten]

@CaptainAppleJack:

Because of the participants we already know, he would be the most surprising. It's like Enel would reappear in ~100 chapters and Oda would just show his face wide open right now.

Also if it's not someone we already know, why hide him at all?

All the rest are people we don't know and they are hidden. Only the ones that we know are shown. Enel would be surprising yes, but not Lucci.

[Maju]

@Jabra:

This, or he simply likes to tease the shit out of his fans. How many tophat wearing people are there now? Why does he not answer the question about the three cups?

it's not just about the top hat..he has the same curly hairs too

[Chopperrules]

@Enlighten:

No that serves a purpose. We are still guessing who is said Yonko. All we have are guesses. It's more probable that is is BM. However there is still enough excitement around the issue to warrant the author's choice of ambiguity. Lucci is just a has been. No need to hide him.

By your logic, any character defeated by Luffy serves no purpose. Crocodile, Buggy, Mr. 3, etc. Oda clearly made a cover story for a reason showing them sailing toward an unknown destination. There is enough evidence to support that it is Lucci. If it turns out to not be him, that's fine too, but for now I'm leaning toward it being him.

And as others said, Pekoms and Tamago, characters just introduced recently, were shadowed. So your argument is rendered irrelevant by that fact alone. Oda is just doing it for a dark atmosphere.

[CaptainAppleJack]

@Enlighten:

All the rest are people we don't know and they are hidden. Only the ones that we know are shown. Enel would be surprising yes, but not Lucci.

Why isn't Lucci as surprising as Enel? Both were main arc villains, that then got Cover Stories with rather open ends. I would honestly be more hyped to see Enel too, but objectively they are the same in that regard.

[Downloading]

@Enlighten:

No that serves a purpose. We are still guessing who is said Yonko. All we have are guesses. It's more probable that is is BM. However there is still enough excitement around the issue to warrant the author's choice of ambiguity. Lucci is just a has been. No need to hide him.

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Yes for purposes of plot as I have explained. Granted this is merely a prediction. But for the time being I stick by it.

I really don't understand how can you say that the last page of chapter 690 is just a guess. I mean, that page is like fucking screaming : "The Yonko we want to take down is BM."

And it would be really lame if Franky gets defeated in a panel or two just so that Law can't make it there in time. Actually, I wouldn't even say lame, I would say that it is impossible that he could lose in such a short period of time. The guy was absent so much, and now when he finally appears he is supposed to be fodder? For the plot purposes he can delay them, or even beat one of them, because DD doesn't have to get CC back for the plot to continue.

[Kedavra]

Can't wait to see Baby 5 vs. Franky.
It's the perfect matchup, isn't it? Franky with all his Cyborgstuff inside hsi body and Baby 5 with all her body as a weapon.
Something like "Bet your weapons don't run with SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER-Cola" or something like that.

Any thoughts?(or has this been mentioned 09482094820 times before?…don't have time to read the whole thread...lol)

[Enlighten]

@StarlightMan:

Trust me, this is Big Mam's saga. Her shadow hangs over everything. Dofla is just another stepping stone. Every villain from here on will probably feel "saga worthy", because of all the big names residing in the New World. As was proven with Moriah, Luffy's come a long way since Crocodile, who was the centre of the Baroque Works saga. Now, a Shichibukai is just another enemy.

It's not a matter of the SH's "bothering" to deal with him. They'll have a clear motivation for going after Dofla, if CC and Franky are taken as you suggested before. Luffy's intention was never to go after a Yonkou straight outta the gate; more, "we'll deal with it when it happens." Luffy's goal is Raftel, and becoming Pirate King - not taking down big players along the way to make a name for himself (like Law and Kid seem focused on doing.) The fact that Luffy has been doing so is just a matter of circumstance/coincidence. The only reason he wants to fight Big Mam in the first place is to right what he feels is an injustice (Big Mam's immoral grip over Fishman Island.)
So you can bet that their heading to Dressrosa will be necessary and justified, whether or not it involves Law's desire to retrieve CC. I get the impression that, with Baby 5 and Monet's fear/hatred of Dofla, that they're more prisoners than crew mates. They have no choice but to work for Dofla because of his mind control (like what was hinted with Momo.) A man who treats his crew members like prisoners/subordinates is the kind of captain Luffy hates, and a man who needs to be taken down. Regardless of however many pies Dofla has his fingers in.

Given how Dofla likes to work in the shadows and is literally a puppet-master, I think you might be right about him. For all his grinning, he's a cowardly man with a cheap fruit.
But whether or not he's strong isn't the point - he's an asshole, and he needs to be dealt with quickly. If he is indeed in cohorts with Big Mam, then he would stand between her and Luffy; and isn't that enough cause for Dofla's arc to take place before Big Mam's?

Dude I don't know why you think our opinions are different? with the exception of Dofla's crew being reluctant or mind controlled, your view is essentially the same as mine. I don't have to like it but I know why it's happening. So why do you feel like arguing with me if we have the same opinion?

[Chopperrules]

@Downloading:

And it would be really lame if Franky gets defeated in a panel or two just so that Law can't make it there in time. Actually, I wouldn't even say lame, I would say that it is impossible that he could lose in such a short period of time. The guy was absent so much, and now when he finally appears he is supposed to be fodder? For the plot purposes he can delay them, or even beat one of them, because DD doesn't have to get CC back for the plot to continue.

As a Franky fan, I would be beyond pissed at Oda if he took Franky down like that. But I'm confident in Oda's treatment of his characters that, even if Franky loses, he'll put up a good fight. Well, we'll see next week. As long as Franky does some damage to these guys I could accept him losing, since Doflamingo is supposed to be very powerful and his subordinates need to be close to that level. I'd also accept a win, too, if it makes sense. I expect Law and Franky to tag team, though, but Franky will be fighting on his own for a while.

[DARK_RITUAL]

Lmao y'all just forgot that Kinemon has a DevilFruit, a DF which he can produce anything at least fabrics instantly, so what if before shinokuni hit him he covered his whole body with something? Me I see Kinemon getting hit by shinokuni as a way for Oda to show us more of Kinemon DF ability.

[Enlighten]

@Chopperrules:

Look, I get what you're saying. I mean, it's obvious Shanks and Whitebeard are the stronger of the four. It's also obvious Blackbeard, a rookie Yonkou, would not be as strong. However, it's too naive to assume Big Man and Kaidou are weaker than the Straw Hats without knowing anything about the extent of their abilities. We know one of them controls an army of Devil Fruit users. We also know one of Big Man's subordinates destroyed an entire country on his own. If that weirdo underling could do that and he bows his head to Big Man… well, you do the math. There's a reason for it.

I'm not saying Luffy and his crew aren't approaching the level needed to beat her, but I think another arc beforehand is necessary. If they manage to just barely beat Doflamingo by working together, it may be hinted they will be able to level up enough to go after Big Mam. But we'll have to see what happens, and if there is not another arc before Doflamingo.

That alone does nothing for me, because he could have easily gotten more subordinates under his wing. Oda is teasing us, so he wouldn't plut Blueno (who I thought it was at first) in that panel as a dead give away.

I've been waiting for the day when Brook finally gets his face full of panty heaven. But he doesn't have a face. Yohohohoho!

It could also be Lucci's long lost brother. Imagine that.

And high-five to the fellow CP9 fan!

So, what do you guys think of the other shadowed brokers. One of them is either Kaido or probably an underling to Kaido.

Here's another completely wrong theory I'm throwing out there just for the lol's. That shadowed guy with the curly hair is in fact a buffed up Eneru who now smokes cigars in the blue sea world and got his drums surgically removed. Calling it now! shot

I believe we are closer in opinion than I initially thought. I agree with everything you said. except the need to defeat Dofla to level up. I Think Shs can take on a yonko as is. I will also add that the Alliance will only serve to hide SHs real potential from the world. So everyone would think it was only because of the alliance that they were able to defeat a Yonko. whereas they were by far the strongest part of said alliance.

[abhizoro]

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@Enlighten:

I believe we are closer in opinion than I initially thought. I agree with everything you said. except the need to defeat Dofla to level up. I Think Shs can take on a yonko as is. I will also add that the Alliance will only serve to hide SHs real potential from the world. So everyone would think it was only because of the alliance that they were able to defeat a Yonko. whereas they were by far the strongest part of said alliance.

You think that the SHs can take down a Yonko? They just entered the NW. If they can already take down a Yonko by themselves, what will they be able to do on the end? Turn into a Super Saiyan lvl 58? xD And you say that Franky is gonna be defeated by B5 and Buffalo fast. So that doesn't make any sense. They can take down a Yonko, but Franky who is supposed to be one the the stronger SHs, is gonna be fodder for some DD subordinates?

[Enlighten]

@nodensuke:

Why not hide him? Kid, Pekoms, and Tamago were shadowed as well, you could just tell more that it was them. I'd say he'd be the most shocking to see there, more so than the people actually confirmed. And saying he's less of a threat is like saying Crocodile is as well, and we all know he's in the New World.

All the ones you mentioned had their faces shown. Lucci wasn't. Luffy hadn't mastered G2 or G3 when he defeated Lucci. With that the only reason Lucci could be more of a threat would be if he mastered haki. But Luffy mastered haki in addition to G2 AND G3. So Lucci has no chance. Crocodile is more threatening than Lucci as Croc has room to grow and be more of a threat.

[DarkHamster]

1.) We're finally going to start seeing what the other crew members are capable of. I think we've seen the upper limits of sanji's power (who couldn't beat Vergo, #SMH :sad: ). Now we'll see franky kick ass!!! I personally hate the m-trio's fights except Zoro's. My favorite fights are the "weaker" member's. Please someone tell me it's not a break next week!!!!!

[Chopperrules]

@DARK_RITUAL:

Lmao y'all just forgot that Kinemon has a DevilFruit, a DF which he can produce anything at least fabrics instantly, so what if before shinokuni hit him he covered his whole body with something? Me I see Kinemon getting hit by shinokuni as a way for Oda to show us more of Kinemon DF ability.

That would at least be a buyable explanation that would not ruin the threat of the Shinokuni/Country of Death.

[Enlighten]

@nodensuke:

I'm starting to think you actually do believe it's Lucci, and just can't admit it because of how much you hate him.

I don't hate Lucci he was a fine character for his arc. But he is a zoan. He was at the pinnacle of his strength at the time and now Luffy surpassed him. By a significant margin might I add. Lucci's sole purpose is his strength. There are no other sides to him so if his strength is no longer threatening. why reintroduce him?

[MetaMario]

@DARK_RITUAL:

Lmao y'all just forgot that Kinemon has a DevilFruit, a DF which he can produce anything at least fabrics instantly, so what if before shinokuni hit him he covered his whole body with something? Me I see Kinemon getting hit by shinokuni as a way for Oda to show us more of Kinemon DF ability.

Definitely a chance to keep Kinemon alive and still maintain the threat of shinokuni…...

Also, now that Franky's in the spotlight, I seriously doubt Oda will fodderize him just to build up Baby 5 and Buffalo. But if we want Doflamingo's forces to maintain credibility (coughMonetcough), having him beat them both up in a panel wouldn't be a good idea either.

Maybe it's a stalemate, then something gets in the way for Baby 5/Buffalo to slip away and retrieve their allies?

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@DarkHamster:

1.) We're finally going to start seeing what the other crew members are capable of. I think we've seen the upper limits of sanji's power (who couldn't beat Vergo, #SMH :sad: ). Now we'll see franky kick ass!!! I personally hate the m-trio's fights except Zoro's. My favorite fights are the "weaker" member's. Please someone tell me it's not a break next week!!!!!

We didn't see anything from Sanji. He didn't use CoO, CoA and he didn't use any new DJ move in that short fight. I think that he is as strong as Vergo, maybe just a little bit weaker.

[Chopperrules]

@Enlighten:

I believe we are closer in opinion than I initially thought. I agree with everything you said. except the need to defeat Dofla to level up. I Think Shs can take on a yonko as is. I will also add that the Alliance will only serve to hide SHs real potential from the world. So everyone would think it was only because of the alliance that they were able to defeat a Yonko. whereas they were by far the strongest part of said alliance.

I guess we are, but I still can't fathom why you think they can take down Big Mam so easily. Law said himself that an alliance is the only way to go in the New World to pose any threat to the Emperors. We saw how strong Law was with the master of his Haki and Devil Fruit by cutting an entire mountain in half, and yet that very same guy proposed an alliance with Luffy. This shows that neither Luffy nor Law, and their crew members by default, being not as strong obviously, are still not strong enough to take down any of the Emperors. Even Kid, who is arguably stronger than Luffy for having a higher bounty before (not confirmed what it is post-time skip) and actually being in action in the New World for two years, requires an alliance with Hawkings and Apoo in order to target an Emperor.

Honestly, it would be terrible writing wise if Luffy and his crew could take on Big Mam this early. That would be something Kubo would do (as he did with Ichigo vs. Aizen), but I can't see Oda doing that.

[Luffyfan]

Wow, really good chapter and gave a lot of forshadowing of things to come. People around the world are going to be after Luffy's head now, wonder if hey'll be getting a bounty upgrade finally, I hope his bounty is tied with Kids

Luffy's new attack loved it, I'm loving all of his new attacks and and am sure hes got some more to come, will likely see them during his fight with Dof which I think is coming very soon.

Franky finally man! I thought we almost lost youXD Hopefully you get a fight or two to make up for lack of screen time, hes been missing for an entire arc now HA.

Usopp gets some action, even just some people that you shouldn't care about still worth some thing and looking forward to seeing you do more in the future.

Big Mom's people and Dof's are going to becoming after Luffy now, oh boy hes got a lot to watch out for

Yah, fun chapter. Even though we are on a break at least we have a lot to talk about with this chapter, so.

FYI I don't care if Law is angry or not, I wouldn't want to see Cc's face any more either. Besides they'll have to come face to face with Dof sooner or later any ways.

[CaptainAppleJack]

@Enlighten:

I don't hate Lucci he was a fine character for his arc. But he is a zoan. He was at the pinnacle of his strength at the time and now Luffy surpassed him. By a significant margin might I add. Lucci's sole purpose is his strength. There are no other sides to him so if his strength is no longer threatening. why reintroduce him?

His cover story finished on an open end.

[Enlighten]

@Chopperrules:

By your logic, any character defeated by Luffy serves no purpose. Crocodile, Buggy, Mr. 3, etc. Oda clearly made a cover story for a reason showing them sailing toward an unknown destination. There is enough evidence to support that it is Lucci. If it turns out to not be him, that's fine too, but for now I'm leaning toward it being him.

And as others said, Pekoms and Tamago, characters just introduced recently, were shadowed. So your argument is rendered irrelevant by that fact alone. Oda is just doing it for a dark atmosphere.

Again we know it was pekoms and tamago because we saw faces. If we see Lucci's face I will shut up about it. For now the character is not behaving like Lucci. doen't look like him. So is not him.

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@Chopperrules:

I guess we are, but I still can't fathom why you think they can take down Big Mam so easily. Law said himself that an alliance is the only way to go in the New World to pose any threat to the Emperors. We saw how strong Law was with the master of his Haki and Devil Fruit by cutting an entire mountain in half, and yet that very same guy proposed an alliance with Luffy. This shows that neither Luffy nor Law, and their crew members by default, being not as strong obviously, are still not strong enough to take down any of the Emperors. Even Kid, who is arguably stronger than Luffy for having a higher bounty before (not confirmed what it is post-time skip) and actually being in action in the New World for two years, requires an alliance with Hawkings and Apoo in order to target an Emperor.

Honestly, it would be terrible writing wise if Luffy and his crew could take on Big Mam this early. That would be something Kubo would do (as he did with Ichigo vs. Aizen), but I can't see Oda doing that.

In chapter 677 it was stated that Kid post TS bounty is 470,000,000 bellies.

And it is really clear that the SHs can't take down a Yonko by themselves yet. If someone says that they can then we aren't reading the same manga…

[Enlighten]

@Downloading:

I really don't understand how can you say that the last page of chapter 690 is just a guess. I mean, that page is like fucking screaming : "The Yonko we want to take down is BM."

And it would be really lame if Franky gets defeated in a panel or two just so that Law can't make it there in time. Actually, I wouldn't even say lame, I would say that it is impossible that he could lose in such a short period of time. The guy was absent so much, and now when he finally appears he is supposed to be fodder? For the plot purposes he can delay them, or even beat one of them, because DD doesn't have to get CC back for the plot to continue.

Fine tell me how the plot moves forward without Franky being defeated. It's not like I want it to happen! I was grumbling all through my post. Go ahead show me some hope?

[Chopperrules]

@Enlighten:

Again we know it was pekoms and tamago because we saw faces. If we see Lucci's face I will shut up about it. For now the character is not behaving like Lucci. doen't look like him. So is not him.

Yeah, but they were still shadowed in a similar way. I agree his behavior is questionable, but with so little to go on, it's hard to say at this point. He does seem to be getting a bit too worked up, but who's to say his experience losing to Luffy didn't humble him somewhat?

@Downloading:

In chapter 677 it was stated that Kid post TS bounty is 470,000,000 bellies.

Oh, I forgot about that. Thanks for confirming this for me. As I figured, Kid is still stronger than Luffy until the day Luffy surpasses him. Bounty does not always equal strength, but factor in experience and Kid wins hands down.

[Enlighten]

@Downloading:

You think that the SHs can take down a Yonko? They just entered the NW. If they can already take down a Yonko by themselves, what will they be able to do on the end? Turn into a Super Saiyan lvl 58? xD And you say that Franky is gonna be defeated by B5 and Buffalo fast. So that doesn't make any sense. They can take down a Yonko, but Franky who is supposed to be one the the stronger SHs, is gonna be fodder for some DD subordinates?

For the same reason Luffy was initially defeated by CC, namely plot. SHs will suffer set backs along the way, definitely. But eventually even alone they can beat a Yonko.

[Darkestsith6]

Who is the title referring to? Baby 5? Buffalo? DD?

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@Enlighten:

Fine tell me how the plot moves forward without Franky being defeated. It's not like I want it to happen! I was grumbling all through my post. Go ahead show me some hope?

Your post is based on your opinion that DD is the target of this saga and that they need to go to Dressrosa to kick his ass. That doesn't have to be true at all. Especially since we don't know anything about Law's plan like why does he need Caesar alive etc. So the plot can go in many directions, and some of those directions mean that Franky doesn't have to be defeated.

@Chopperrules:

Oh, I forgot about that. Thanks for confirming this for me. As I figured, Kid is still stronger than Luffy until the day Luffy surpasses him. Bounty does not always equal strength, but factor in experience and Kid wins hands down.

When Luffy gets a post TS bounty, we'll be able to compare them, even though bounty isn't a strength indicator, but we'll get a global picture. Until then, no one can say that Luffy is stronger or weaker than Kid because we don't know what Luffy is capable of, nor what is Kid capable of.

[Enlighten]

@Chopperrules:

I guess we are, but I still can't fathom why you think they can take down Big Mam so easily. Law said himself that an alliance is the only way to go in the New World to pose any threat to the Emperors. We saw how strong Law was with the master of his Haki and Devil Fruit by cutting an entire mountain in half, and yet that very same guy proposed an alliance with Luffy. This shows that neither Luffy nor Law, and their crew members by default, being not as strong obviously, are still not strong enough to take down any of the Emperors. Even Kid, who is arguably stronger than Luffy for having a higher bounty before (not confirmed what it is post-time skip) and actually being in action in the New World for two years, requires an alliance with Hawkings and Apoo in order to target an Emperor.

Honestly, it would be terrible writing wise if Luffy and his crew could take on Big Mam this early. That would be something Kubo would do (as he did with Ichigo vs. Aizen), but I can't see Oda doing that.

I never said easily. I also think Luffy and his crew are much stronger than other supernovas even before the time skip. Add to that 2 years training and you begin to see their true potential. If surviving in the new world was the same as their training it would have been pointless to train, no?

[Drake_Cloud]

@Darkestsith6:

Who is the title referring to? Baby 5? Buffalo? DD?

Baby 5 most likely, since she was introduced as an "assassin". Her DF also screams assassin to me, since she's always armed.

Although her perk is like the worst thing an Assassin can have. It makes sense for a maid or servant (since a maid's job is usually to do whatever they're told anyway), but I'm just imagining a target panicking and scream "please don't kill me" and Baby 5 would be like "okay".