I looked through 7 pages and I couldn't find a thread for this movie so I made one. The second trailer just released today. All I can say is… I'm glad Johnny Depp can play a character that is once again interesting, although I can already see a lot of controversies his role will produce.
Lone Ranger 2013
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Where Can I find the movie information? Could you tell me?
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@ZHANG:
Where Can I find the movie information? Could you tell me?
Wikipedia should be sufficient enough. It has the Release dates, production crew, and some of the summary.
Here's the link
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Alright, who told Johnny Depp that he should adopt the Nick Cage approach to dealing with criticism?
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Honestly I can't argue against a stylistic western. Looks like fun and another opportunity for Depp to play a wacky role and push his skills as an actor.
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Honestly I can't argue against a stylistic western. Looks like fun and another opportunity for Depp to play a wacky role and push his skills as an actor.
Considering the wacky roles Depp has played couldn't be to hard for him to do.
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Considering the wacky roles Depp has played couldn't be to hard for him to do.
Sometimes I find it a bit too much. I will excuse this though due to the fact that in the beginning of his career he played more down to earth characters
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I'm going to read the Lone Ranger comic series before watching this.
I also read a book called "Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven", but it was unrelated, only a metaphor.
I know nothing of Lone Ranger, but I wanna see this.The hammers of justice will always prevail, as long as there are people who wield them.
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Seeing how many "wacky" roles Depp has taken in the last decade, I think its fair to say that playing these kinds of characters is his only skill as an actor...
Don't know about that one…
- Public Enemies, 21 Jump Street, What's Eating Gilbert Grape just to name a few.
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I think he plays these roles because they are fun. I mean, he doesn't even watch his own movies, but I'm sure he simply enjoyed playing Jack Sparrow because of his distinct character.
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While Disney is scoring big time with the Marvel and Star Wars franchises (to some degree Pixar), it is completely failing on it's other projects that use to make it great. Lone Ranger currently has a 22% on RT.
está fallando~
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How do you spend 250 million on a western anyway?
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Hiring Johnny Depp?
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I'm pretty sure he took a paycut in order for the film to be made.
And its only been made because he's in it.
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@RobbyBevard:
How do you spend 250 million on a western anyway?
This is why I think the Western genre is dying, if not dead.
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Judging by the previews, I always thought this movie looked pretty dumb.
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True Grit (2010)
Budget: $38 Million
Box Office: $250 MYeeaaah…I guess folks are under the impression that the more money you use, the better your movie will be. shrug
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I always got the impression that this movie is not a real western, but a "Pirates of the Carribean in the Wild West" film. In any case, Johnny Depp is playing Jack Sparrow with an fake native american accent.
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Judging by the previews, I always thought this movie looked pretty dumb.
Eh, part of the reason I was interested in this movie was because it looked dumb. It looked like dumb fun.
We'll see how it pans out.
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The best response to this thread would probably have to be one of Johnny Depp's ungodly awful quotes about his performance, but because there's so many I had to choose and I felt this was a good one
"I wanted to maybe give some hope to kids on the reservations. They're living without running water and seeing problems with drugs and booze. But I wanted to be able to show these kids, "Fuck that! You're still warriors, man."
May they paint with all the colors of the wind
godspeed
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Johnny. You're probably a smart guy. Why are you being such a dumbass?
All in all, any interest I had in this is fading fast. If the early reviews are anything to go by, it would seem that Gore Verbinski managed to make a superior Western when he was working with a cartoon chameleon.
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It's a lot like the first Pirates of the Caribbean film; if you like Johnny Depp and don't take things too seriously, you'll really like it.
Complicating things since 2009.
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It's a lot like the first Pirates of the Caribbean film; if you like Johnny Depp and don't take things too seriously, you'll really like it.
Yea i saw it on Monday, had advanced screening tickets. Was basically a Pirates of Caribean wild west style.
Pretty funny, good western movie. had good western music, and cliche western music. You know the typical horse chase music. Johnny Depp I feel is always better as a supporting actor than the star for this type of character. As seen in case of Pirates 4.
My only complaints would be I'm not a huge fan of the whole storytelling style. The movie has Johnny Depp as an old man telling some kid the story of The Lone Ranger. not a fan of that style for movies. Even though you know the guys going to be alive, still for some reason don't like being shown it by storytelling means. Then also I disliked (not much of spoiler, but figure)
! The very end of the movie where The Lone Ranger say "High-ho Silver Away, and then Depp goes, never say that again.
! it got a laugh out of me, but too many remakes of movies do that these days. You know they take a quote from the old show that is iconic and make fun of it instead of trying to find a way to integrate it into the story smoothly.But anyone not seen it, I recommend it. It's probably my second favorite movie this year thus far. Behind Superman and before Iron Man.
Don't expect to have some marvelous story. It's just a fun cliche typical western. You know the whites versus indians. Thousands of indians die, the whites are evil and the cowboys save the day. Nothing special in that regard.
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Hollywood is dying.
It's time to open America's gates to the studios under the rising sun! Go Japanese Anime!
(and Bollywood!)
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Hollywood is dying.
It's time to open America's gates to the studios under the rising sun! Go Japanese Anime!
(and Bollwood!)
Bollywood movie are no go lol. Once in a year, maybe 3-4 movies are worthy. Rest is more about glamour and sex. Plot is similar to a fairy tale.
About the movie, i concur what Ubiq said. I liked Depp's acting at various situations.
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I just watched this.
I actually really enjoyed this movie. It doesn't take itself too seriously and is a lot of fun to follow.
Quirky, lovable main characters. Well-thought out, overarching plot. Truly despicable villains.
Well-placed humour. Satisfying and action-packed final battle/chase.
It actually reminds me of One Piece.FC(3DS) - 2724-4238-5489 (LZTan)
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It's one of those films that critics will hate for whatever reason that audiences will mostly enjoy if not love. Again, same sort of deal as the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie, which got blasted by critics when it came out but that they've warmed up to since. Entertainment Weekly gave Curse of the Black Pearl a D when it came out after all.
Complicating things since 2009.
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So…what DO critics usually hate these kinds of films for?
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Watched it so FINALLY can critique it:
Since I came in with remarkably low expectations after the reviews, I was relatively entertained but the movie has some REALLY bad problems with the editing, plot holes, and lack of character development. Gore Verbinski has a good knack for high adventure, great design, and fairly entertaining cinematics, but god damn does he have problems with developing his story. Honestly, the story also felt remarkably rushed in spite of being longer than 2 hours. This movie would have been much stronger by:
1.Slowing down
2.Filling in the plot holes
3.Removing irrelevant scenes (I.e. Old man Depp and the child scene seemed REALLY irrelevant. If these scenes were removed, would they have changed the story whatsoever? It would be like if we had a plastic pirate man narrating Pirates of the Caribbean to some a random kid in Disney Land. It wouldn't really add to much at all).
4.Developing the villains and secondary characters (dear god again…what's the point of having so many colorful background characters if you're not going to utilize them? This is another problem that carried over from the PotC movies)! The movie would have been better if it were split in two parts (1 hour and 30 mins a piece) with the first movie focusing on tracking down Butch and his gang while the second would focus on the other train guy and captain. By doing that, you could help with foreshadowing the real villain BETTER, utilizing the secondary characters better like Butch's gang…in particular Collins whose motives were not really made explicit...yeah wasted opportunity there.
! Also slow down the movie and fill in the holes like Johnny getting out of prison, how he found the rangers, and so on while cutting out bizzarre/irrelevant scenes.Tumblr: https://www.tumblr.com/blog/pomeranianhero
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Watched it so FINALLY can critique it:
Since I came in with remarkably low expectations after the reviews, I was relatively entertained but the movie has some REALLY bad problems with the editing, plot holes, and lack of character development. Gore Verbinski has a good knack for high adventure, great design, and fairly entertaining cinematics, but god damn does he have problems with developing his story. Honestly, the story also felt remarkably rushed in spite of being longer than 2 hours. This movie would have been much stronger by:
1.Slowing down
2.Filling in the plot holes
3.Removing irrelevant scenes (I.e. Old man Depp and the child scene seemed REALLY irrelevant. If these scenes were removed, would they have changed the story whatsoever? It would be like if we had a plastic pirate man narrating Pirates of the Caribbean to some a random kid in Disney Land. It wouldn't really add to much at all).
4.Developing the villains and secondary characters (dear god again…what's the point of having so many colorful background characters if you're not going to utilize them? This is another problem that carried over from the PotC movies)! The movie would have been better if it were split in two parts (1 hour and 30 mins a piece) with the first movie focusing on tracking down Butch and his gang while the second would focus on the other train guy and captain. By doing that, you could help with foreshadowing the real villain BETTER, utilizing the secondary characters better like Butch's gang…in particular Collins whose motives were not really made explicit...yeah wasted opportunity there.
! Also slow down the movie and fill in the holes like Johnny getting out of prison, how he found the rangers, and so on while cutting out bizzarre/irrelevant scenes.! I'd wager that Collins' motive is the same as anyone else who'd join up with Cole and Cavendish.
The promise of silver by the cartloads.
Also, telling the story through Old Man Tonto allows what the tropers call "lampshading" of certain events that would've required proper explanation otherwise.
On one hand, it could be taken as lazy story-writing. But I feel it was handled well enough to not take anything away from the story.
The plot holes you listed, like how Tonto gets out of prison or how he found the rangers, were not particularly important. In fact, I think it helps establish Tonto as a slightly mystic and crafty yet also nuts-in-the-brain character.
Or, it could've been random chance. You never know with Tonto.
I'd say that's part of the appeal.
And calling Tonto "Johnny" is a bit confusing since John is the main character.
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The opening bombed (at least compared to the cartoonish budget of the film). Good riddance to this redface bullshit.
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It's a lot like the first Pirates of the Caribbean film; if you like Johnny Depp and don't take things too seriously, you'll really like it.
I find your implication that there are people that do not like Johnny Depp to be in extremely poor taste, sir!
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@Panda:
I find your implication that there are people that do not like Johnny Depp to be in extremely poor taste, sir!
Captain Johnny Depp.
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Every review I've seen compared it to the PiratesoftheCarib sequels. Which were really headache inducing boring nothingfests, I'm not surpised it bombed.
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Depp is amazing but there are things even he can't save. Like that Charlie & the Chocolate Factory remake.
That said I haven't seen this but I don't plan to.
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A little late, but…
@RobbyBevard:
How do you spend 250 million on a western anyway?
Jesus god.
By comparison, Avengers' budget was $220 million, but that was a film that warranted it (and, you know, those involved knew what they were doing and it made 7 times back its budget)
But wow, yeah, this film just cost Disney $100 million, at least.
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@Monkey:
Every review I've seen compared it to the PiratesoftheCarib sequels. Which were really headache inducing boring nothingfests, I'm not surpised it bombed.
Yeah, Pirates 2 got by on "Hey, its the sequel to that movie everyone ended up liking!" and then part 3 "Well, this will follow up on the promises that part 2 set in place!"
I don't know what 4's excuse was, but it still made a 1.1 billion dollars somehow. (I still haven't seen 4, but it seems to be the one people finally can agree just wasn't good.)
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@RobbyBevard:
I don't know what 4's excuse was, but it still made a 1.1 billion dollars somehow. (I still haven't seen 4, but it seems to be the one people finally can agree just wasn't good.)
LOL. A lot of the time I have to remind myself there even was a 4th one.
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By comparison, Avengers' budget was $220 million, but that was a film that warranted it (and, you know, those involved knew what they were doing and it made 7 times back its budget)
But wow, yeah, this film just cost Disney $100 million, at least.
A lot of that budget comes from starting the film back up after shutting it down and various other pre-production costs.
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The ACTUAL budget of those movies (when you factor in international promotional costs) is several times the cost of actually making the movie, though. All told the Avengers cost more like a billion dollars.
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A lot of that budget comes from starting the film back up after shutting it down and various other pre-production costs.
Same reason Rapunzel is one of the most expensive films ever made… they count the 10 years of closures and pre-production and changed teams.
The ACTUAL budget of those movies (when you factor in international promotional costs) is several times the cost of actually making the movie, though. All told the Avengers cost more like a billion dollars.
But no one ever counts the advertising budget unless they want to make a case for a success being a flop. The general quote I hear is "the movie's budget is doubled in advertising". I assume that's offset in some way because no one ever counts it.
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@RobbyBevard:
Same reason Rapunzel is one of the most expensive films ever made… they count the 10 years of closures and pre-production and changed teams.
Exactly; Disney more or less made the same film twice. Superman Returns is in the same boat since it got stuck paying for all the various failed Superman projects between it and Quest for Peace twenty years earlier.
But no one ever counts the advertising budget unless they want to make a case for a success being a flop. The general quote I hear is "the movie's budget is doubled in advertising". I assume that's offset in some way because no one ever counts it.
The rule I've always heard is that a film needs to double its production budget to turn a profit because of advertising costs and the cut that goes to theater owners. It can vary wildly though especially if they get promotional tie-ins to offset the advertising costs; the Avengers' advertising budget was estimated at $150 million by Bloomberg Business and Disney got somewhere around $100 million worth of promotions.
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@RobbyBevard:
Yeah, Pirates 2 got by on "Hey, its the sequel to that movie everyone ended up liking!" and then part 3 "Well, this will follow up on the promises that part 2 set in place!"
I don't know what 4's excuse was, but it still made a 1.1 billion dollars somehow. (I still haven't seen 4, but it seems to be the one people finally can agree just wasn't good.)
They are going to make 5 pretty soon.
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Meh, it was pretty boring. Had like one or two funny moments, but that's it.
Oh and this
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So basically Disney fucked themselves over with this movie a year after doing it with John Carter. I guess they can cover up their failure somewhat with another Pixar's movies though I don't know if that will be "Planes".
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Well from the trailer was good , will watch it on sunday
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Good, I hope next time someone is ACTUALLY monitoring what Verbinski is doing and not letting him whatever willy nilly he wants to do in his films just because his pirates movie(s) managed to succeed.
