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    • Ubiq
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      The Gems' rebelion seems to have caused a reduction of power on gems, leading to peridot being "undercooked" on purpose, and more off colors like Papardasha and the Rutile twins.

      Probably fall out from the bubbling of the entire Rose Quartz line; whatever their purpose was now had to be filled by other gems and the Diamonds probably decided it was unwise to make gems that powerful in general.

      Plus whatever other gems were lost in the war; the Diamonds blasted a bunch of their own troops with that corruption wave and may not have been able to replace them even in all the time since.

      Complicating things since 2009.

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        Peridot stated her lack of shapeshifting is due to resource shortage. That might be a cover for something else, but it also might be Homeworlds hyper-colonial, non-sustainable tendencies catching up with them. Maybe they're just finally running short on planets suitable for complete and utter stripmining.

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          Considering the ridiculous ammount of resources that are in the universe, I'm on the burocracy/fearmongering side of things.

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          Besides, that is the wrong environmentalist message to send. It is like "don't be bad or you go to hell/don't consume all resources because they will run out", go "don't consume all resources because these aren't resources that you are taking but lives.

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            I figure it had something to do with the fact that, of the four Diamonds in charge of expanding colonies, and thus access to new resources (which they constantly need more of because the ones they need are non-renewable), Pink is gone, Blue is busy grieving and unable to move on back to her duties, who knows what White is up to, and Yellow is the only one we know for sure is still conquering.

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              @maxterdexter:

              Considering the ridiculous ammount of resources that are in the universe, I'm on the burocracy/fearmongering side of things.

              Not all planets will be equally viable for colonization (just going by the kindergardens, everything besides Earth and Mars would be wildly unsuitable within our solar system), and you will always need to expend resources in order to find and colonize them. The universe is certainly big, but for all we know this could be taking place within an isolated nebula.

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              Besides, that is the wrong environmentalist message to send. It is like "don't be bad or you go to hell/don't consume all resources because they will run out", go "don't consume all resources because these aren't resources that you are taking but lives.

              That point still very much stands, though? Its the whole reason Rose - and later Peridot - rebelled. Sustainability for the sake of preserving the unique liveforms of planet earth. I'm not sure why an additional negative effect on the homeworld side of things would contradict that.

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                Rose put the lives above resources, Peridot tried to put them in the same priority. Both got shut down.

                Also, the way that Peridot got shut down (Since the big episode, I've seen way too many youtube clips), Yellow would rather let the cluster hatch and destroy what is left of earth instead of keep on mining it. That scene is supposed to highlight how Yellow isn't thinking logically, but if the scarcity was dire, I don't think that her no-nonsense attitude would let her waste a whole planet.

                The other thing that makes me think that there isn't too much resource scarcity is that homeworld still seems to produce gems, and if somewhere is completelly depleted, that is homeworld.

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                  @maxterdexter:

                  Rose put the lives above resources, Peridot tried to put them in the same priority. Both got shut down.

                  Also, the way that Peridot got shut down (Since the big episode, I've seen way too many youtube clips), Yellow would rather let the cluster hatch and destroy what is left of earth instead of keep on mining it. That scene is supposed to highlight how Yellow isn't thinking logically, but if the scarcity was dire, I don't think that her no-nonsense attitude would let her waste a whole planet.

                  The other thing that makes me think that there isn't too much resource scarcity is that homeworld still seems to produce gems, and if somewhere is completelly depleted, that is homeworld.

                  I don't think any of that mattered to Yellow Diamond. Looking back at the scene with what we know now, heck just starting from "That Will Be All", she wants Earth gone because that's where Pink was shattered. That's it.

                  Peridot was right that Yellow wasn't being objective. It's only with her letter appearances we know the reason. It was"Revenge Before Reason". Scarcity was irrelevant at least where Earth was concerned because, as Yellow herself said, she just wanted the entire Earth dead.

                  Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.

                  Statler: No you haven't.

                  Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!

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                    On the issue of Pearl not being a Pink Pearl, with navel gem and all, there's a zoom up of the timeline provided in the fanbook that said the Diamonds give Pink a proper Pearl, as in more adequate to the immature brat that she was.
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                      ! There is this nuance to the Quartz rebelion that I've been thinking about.
                      ! The rebelion had 2 purposes:

                      • Preservation of earth's organic life, inspired by Pink Diamond contact with humans, as they lived without a predetermined purpose
                      • Liberation of gemkind of the societal rules mantained by homeworld, set further by their own "geology" (think biology), meaning gems doing things beyond their purpose, and liberty of fusion with whomever they want

                      ! The first one was a rotund success, while the 2th one was either an uter failure, or a little bubble of happiness for the leaders of the rebelion and another gem, with pain and suffering for every other gem involved.
                      ! This happened because homeworld felt that it's objective was archieved, meaning the crushing of the rebelion and the use of earth for creating the cluster, but those two things aren't true.
                      ! So, were those objectives the same priority that Rose gave them? Who was first, Garnet or Rainbow Quartz? Did Rose adopt the free fusion banner after recruiting Garnet, or was she already experimenting with pearl?

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                        After weeks of avoiding spoilers, I broke down and saw this. Glad I avoided those spoilers!

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                        ! Huh, listening to this ending always gave me the impression that Rose had regrets, but I didn't expect this song to ultimately be literal. The self loathing and guilt stands out more, as does perhaps Pink's angst over not being the role model people thought she was.
                        ! I look forward to the fallout from this. Literally everything Rose did needs to be reevaluated now. Bismuth is an obvious one, as is Jasper and the corrupted gems. I also wonder if those weird plants of hers will have any relevance later? What about Lion?
                        ! One prediction, I suspect Amethyst to be the only one on Rose's side, or closest to it, much like when Pearl tricked Garnet into fusing that one time (oh, how lucky is it we dealt with betrayal within the group already?). A brat who ran away from home? Rose and Amethyst were more alike then we thought!

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                          Video from back in December.

                          I assumed it was new when I started watching it, and that it was based off the new episodes. But nope, crazy fans caught this a while ago.

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                            It's funny. I wonder if back in the day before the internet how many people were super analyzing kids shows. And not like people looking for pagan/satan stuff, but like the level we see on YouTube and forums. Or does so many people being able to voice odd theories in a venue where thousands of people could see it just spurs the drive.

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                              Oh, people absolutely did it before the internet. I had penpals back in the day to talk about Gargoyles with before I got the internet. ANd sci-fi cons (mostly star trek based) were going at least as early as the 70's, and comic cons…. and even anime cons have been going for thirty plus years.

                              It's just much, much easier to find people to talk to about it, and much easier to crack things or find out where influences or little details are with thousands of eyes looking at it.

                              The craziest part is finding a fandom thats already been around for forever without you and seeing what they've already figured out. Especially something like Game of Thrones.

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                                @Cyclone_Baroness:

                                It's funny. I wonder if back in the day before the internet how many people were super analyzing kids shows.

                                That's pretty much what fanzines were for.

                                Complicating things since 2009.

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                                  Unlisted CN promo says we are getting new episodes for a 5 night event starting on July 2nd.

                                  !

                                  So if this season 3 which became 4 and 5 after the split was 52 episodes and 4 was 26 (gem harvest counts as 2 episodes) than if we end up with only 26 than they're will be only 3 more after this supposed july bomb. Considering the content shown in the trailer Season 6 is incredibly likely. You'd need bleach finale pacing to try and finish from here on out

                                  Edit: Ok so I wanted to post this last night but I didn't find an actual thing with it until

                                  !
                                  ! So for whatever reason why they've been dragging their heels but it definitely seems like they have material from later on. I'm not trying to be antagonistic but just optimistic about it. I know the show hasn't been treated well by any standards but it just seems less and less they're pulling the plug after 5 with what I've seen. This will probably be my last post on the subject until we get an official word or someone working on the show commenting on it or season 6 just starting because.

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                                  So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                                    If they had been renewed for a season 6 officially and were working on that, it would have been announced by now. There's no point in holding that as some sort of surprise, not for the shareholders, not for the fans. NO ONE benefits from not being told that news, and their casual audience doesn't even know about episode orders anyway.

                                    There's lots of reasons for not announcing the ending in advance, especially if they haven't made up their minds, but the only reason for not announcing renewal is because no decision has been made either way yet.

                                    The best case scenario at this point is basically they check the ratings on the last episodes and okay more episodes…. but then it's going to be a Venture Brothers/Rick and Morty situation where things aren't actually on the pipe yet and it'll be a long time before we get them.

                                    Given everything revealed with Rose Quartz I can absolutely see a reasonable ending wrapping up the major stuff in pretty short order. Not every single dangling thread, but the biggest stuff can certainly be handled in some fashion in 8 more episodes. Maybe not super well, but in some fashion.

                                    Just because the show needs more space to wrap up properly doesn't means anything to Cartoon Network (Or Nickelodeon for that matter.) They have a laundry list of stuff ended before the stories were done or on outright cliffhangers.

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                                      At least 10 more episodes, and we have names for 8 of them.

                                      Episode list 30 seconds in. It's like a 20 minute video that I'm sure is loaded with spoilers, I didn't watch it all once it became clear what it was.

                                      Episode titles. Not super spoilery but some of the titles are plays on old ones so that might hint at the direction of things, and the last title is… something.

                                      ! Now We're Only Falling Apart
                                      What's Your Problem
                                      The Question
                                      Made of Honor
                                      Legs from Here to Homeworld
                                      Familiar
                                      Together Alone
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                                      ???
                                      Escapism
                                      ! The Question might be the opposite end of "The Answer" which was how Garnet came to be a Crystal Gem… and Alone Together is the episode where Steven and COnnie first fused. So.... who knows.

                                      Still no word on season 6.

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                                        So here's a promo that just came out for the upcoming bomb.

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                                        This is gonna be a hell of a finale.

                                        [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
                                        I'll see you on the dark side of the moon]

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                                          ! Yeah, that seems pretty definitively end-game, combined with the Rose reveal, and the titles of the last few episodes. I can see them wrapping up the main story, or at least wrapping up the big stuff.
                                          ! We're not going to see Pearl date the pink haired girl, and we're probably not going to see them fixing all the broken shattered gems like Centipeedle, and Ronaldo is never going to redeem himself the way Lars did, etc. etc., so there'll be lots of loose open ends, (like life!) but the fate of the world 5000 year war diamond stuff they can manage in this batch.
                                          ! Also, there's always a chance of musical montage finale. Look at the craziness Regular Show pulled off in the space of about three minutes. (and all the important stuff in 1 minute really)
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                                              Very good episode of Steven Universe tonight.

                                              ! This episode makes Pearl and Pink Diamond's backstory even more interesting now.

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                                                ! Pacing got kinda frantic in this episode, but still good.
                                                ! Nice explanation for how the Zoo came about and OMG young Pearl is so cute!

                                                [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
                                                I'll see you on the dark side of the moon]

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                                                  I agree that the pacing was a bit rushed. I really wish the show would ditch the short episode format because it's evolved so far past that. Nonetheless this provides some much needed context and there were some really great scenes.

                                                  I can't wait for tomorrow.

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                                                    @Robby:

                                                    ! Yeah, that seems pretty definitively end-game, combined with the Rose reveal, and the titles of the last few episodes. I can see them wrapping up the main story, or at least wrapping up the big stuff.
                                                    ! We're not going to see Pearl date the pink haired girl, and we're probably not going to see them fixing all the broken shattered gems like Centipeedle, and Ronaldo is never going to redeem himself the way Lars did, etc. etc., so there'll be lots of loose open ends, (like life!) but the fate of the world 5000 year war diamond stuff they can manage in this batch.
                                                    ! Also, there's always a chance of musical montage finale. Look at the craziness Regular Show pulled off in the space of about three minutes. (and all the important stuff in 1 minute really)
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                                                    Gonna fly to California with a bunch of pies to throw if Sugar doesn't resolve that jasper plotline

                                                    By the way that wasn't mentioned at all in his post one way or another, I'm just stating it based off the possibility that this could be the last season.
                                                    Even though they shot a ton of camera work for no reason but hey CN is run by stooges or whatever so maybe I shouldn't be surprised if they just let the crewniverse think they were gonna have 6 and just pulled the rug out from under them. I'm still on the season 6 train though. I think this could be a red herring of sorts as a finale. Don't exactly know how but a feeling. But I'm a little less confident than I was.

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                                                    So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                                                      The responsible thing would be to go back and read what I wrote and make peace with my past points. I won't do that.

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                                                        ! She didn't make the zoo
                                                        She did plea with the diamonds separatelly, and both (the three of them?) rejected her
                                                        And was stated that if she rebelled as a diamond the message of freedom and self determination would have been muddled, as a quarz, a fusion and a pearl as faces of the revolution carry more weight than a diamond and her deviant servants
                                                        ! It seems like she took the Quartz persona for a while, decided to rebel as it, and then once the rebelion got to Garnet, she decided that she couldn't sheed the persona for the message. I can accept this line of thought.
                                                        ! There is the guilt factor that haven't yet been explored, and the thousands of years lie to Amethist and Garnet, but as how they retroactivelly had already handled most of my complaints Sugar's crew gets my trust.

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                                                          ! Didn't expect Garnet being the first recruit. Now I want to know if Bismuth was second. Small detail but I love that Amethyst popping out and hugging the others. Amethysts, in general, are so loving I'd watch a spinoff about them.
                                                          ! At this point, I don't think Pink Diamond ever met White Diamond. If the Diamonds are a family unit then I'm guessing White made Yellow and Blue who in turn made Pink.

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                                                            This was nice, but definetely more rushed than is the norm for this show. Real worried that we're staring at the endgame.

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                                                              I thought season 6 had already been confirmed? Regardless, the showrunners have said there is loads more story to tell, so I'm not really feeling the "endgame" vibe. I think 2 more seasons after this is enough time to make a satisfying conclusion, maybe 3 if they decide to go even bigger.

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                                                                I thought season 6 had already been confirmed? Regardless, the showrunners have said there is loads more story to tell, so I'm not really feeling the "endgame" vibe. I think 2 more seasons after this is enough time to make a satisfying conclusion, maybe 3 if they decide to go even bigger.

                                                                Nope. There has been no confirmation of a season 6, and we really should have gotten that, at the latest, a year ago at comicon.

                                                                They haven't officially said its over, and there's lots of reasons not to (because there's still negotations, don't want to upset fans ahead of time, merchandising, etc.) but there is no reason to not announce a renewal as soon as its official.

                                                                We know there's 9 episodes at least still to go. But that might be it.

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                                                                  Great episode tonight.

                                                                  ! I really like the character development for Amethyst in the episode. Amethyst reaction to entire reveal of Rose being Pink Diamond is really understandable as well her reasons why she doesn't want Steven to be involved with every situation.

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                                                                    Does the new batch of episodes start with 19?

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                                                                      @Icefae:

                                                                      I thought season 6 had already been confirmed? Regardless, the showrunners have said there is loads more story to tell, so I'm not really feeling the "endgame" vibe. I think 2 more seasons after this is enough time to make a satisfying conclusion, maybe 3 if they decide to go even bigger.

                                                                      The Upfront for this year specifically said the show had three story arcs; several other shows either specifically mentioned new seasons being greenlit or airing through 2019 with the other shows not getting such notices being ones that we already knew were cancelled like Clarence.

                                                                      From what we've seen, Cartoon Network really doesn't want to say that the show has been cancelled because it's critically well-liked and solid for merchandising but has little to no interest in continuing it beyond the previous seasons. That could be wrong and they're just being super secretive for some reason instead of announcing a new episode order but I see no upside for that at all.

                                                                      Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                        Just think, if they had cut every single Ronaldo episode nothing would have been lost and we'd have like another 7 episodes.

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                                                                          An episode aired today right?! Is it online yet?! I don't normally wanna beg for links but… I gotta know what the letter said!!

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                                                                            An episode aired today right?! Is it online yet?! I don't normally wanna beg for links but… I gotta know what the letter said!!

                                                                            I watched it on WorldOfSteven.com. None of the other sites I frequent have it yet.

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                                                                              Why would she be a cowboy?!?!

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                                                                                Aparently, cows were never domesticated in this reality. And Garnet in more than one ocation has protected everyone else from them.

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                                                                                  The Upfront for this year specifically said the show had three story arcs; several other shows either specifically mentioned new seasons being greenlit or airing through 2019 with the other shows not getting such notices being ones that we already knew were cancelled like Clarence.

                                                                                  From what we've seen, Cartoon Network really doesn't want to say that the show has been cancelled because it's critically well-liked and solid for merchandising but has little to no interest in continuing it beyond the previous seasons. That could be wrong and they're just being super secretive for some reason instead of announcing a new episode order but I see no upside for that at all.

                                                                                  God dude. I assumed the crew was still making episodes for the show, which would at least imply there are episodes that go beyond the next 8 or so that we know the titles for.

                                                                                  I'm really exhausted at this point as a SU fan since season 1. The constant hiatuses, leaks, and total lack of legit information. I still can't even buy the seasons on fuckin blu-ray. I really wondered for the longest time if CN secretly hated the show and then assumed that the crew themselves called the shots and wanted to produce it at their own pace. Now I kinda wish whoever was in charge kept a much tighter leash on the whole thing.

                                                                                  I would have rather gotten 5 coherent seasons rather than going months and months not sure if the show is going to end in 2019. I really do like the feeling that there will a new episode to watch tomorrow. While we're on this topic, the 11 minute format is such a insane hindrance. I can't help but imagine a different timeline where the show was canceled but then picked up by Netflix/Hulu/whatever and gave them free reign to make the episodes as long as they needed to be, tell the stories they wanted to tell, and was always giving us a notion of when the show would be coming back.

                                                                                  I know I'm not breaking new ground here, but the whole thing is depressing. If they really have to cut corners to wrap up a clean ending, it's going to bug me forever.

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                                                                                    Adventure Time was the channel's biggest hit and while it was allowed to run 10 seasons, some of them exceptionally long, even it is getting screwed in its final season with random airings of blocks and little to no promotion, and constant hiatuses just to push out a batch of episodes.

                                                                                    And Regular Show we didn't know was ending until about a week before it happened. And though a different channel, Gravity Falls was constantly screwed too and similarly, didn't announce its end until the last minute.
                                                                                    See also how Korra got screwed around with Nick not ordering seasons until after they had finished a year, not advertising, pulling the show and only airing it digitially, pulling an episode's budget at the end of production forcing a clip show…. or when ABC cancelled Reboot and it had to keep going in Canada to get to its amazing thired season and then was cancelled again before finishing season 4...it happens all the time.
                                                                                    See also shows cancelled before they were ready to end and had a cliffhanger finale, like Sonic SatAm or Spectacular Spiderman or Teen Titans, or shows that were straight up only half done like Pirates of Darkwater or new Thundercats... or the way shows like Samurai Jack or Mysteries Inc had their final episodes held and stretched over ridiculously lengthy ammounts of time. Hell, Calamity Jane only ever aired its first three of thirteen episodes.

                                                                                    It's not just a Steven Universe problem, or even just a Cartoon Network problem. Animated shows get treated like crap all the time, because they take so long to produce and get greenlit so far in advance, it's possible for new execs to come along and completely hate them by the time they ever even start airing.

                                                                                    As for the 11 minute format? That format is fine, in theory. It forces you to cut all the fat and get right to it. In theory, the advantage of it is you can take an old 26 episode budget and get 52 episodes out of it, and so air a new episode every week all year. And in theory that's great and it was fantastic when Adventure Time basically did that model.
                                                                                    It's not so great when they instead decided to have multi-month gaps and then just binge 5-8 episodes in a week and then go to another drought, it completely defeats the purpose of the format.

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                                                                                      Rushed ending or no ending, that is what is in the menu. There is sadly no indication of surprise porkchops or hot dogs in the menu. Fish pizza or the bits.

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                                                                                        And though a different channel, Gravity Falls was constantly screwed too and similarly, didn't announce its end until the last minute.

                                                                                        Gravity Falls ending is on Alex Hirsch, who went in with the idea of a three season show with each season roughly covering a month, suffered massive burnout in the first season, and wanted out after that. Disney pushed him into making the second season and tried to get him to commit to a third one but he wasn't interested in staying there that long. That's a lot of the reason for the sharp shift in pacing between the first and second half of that second season as well.

                                                                                        Along similar lines, Disney also wanted Phineas and Ferb to continue and offered to let the show shift formats from regular seasons to a series of specials; after trying a mix of those formats in the fourth season, Povenmire and Marsh decided against it in favor of focusing on Milo Murphy's Law.

                                                                                        Disney has awful scheduling, which was largely because of the really stupid decision to shove their animated lineup onto Disney XD, but generally speaking respected the rights of the show's creators for the most part. They're certainly better on that front that Cartoon Network has been.

                                                                                        See also shows cancelled before they were ready to end and had a cliffhanger finale, like Sonic SatAm or Spectacular Spiderman or Teen Titans, or shows that were straight up only half done like Pirates of Darkwater or new Thundercats… or the way shows like Samurai Jack or Mysteries Inc had their final episodes held and stretched over ridiculously lengthy ammounts of time.

                                                                                        Thundercats suffered particularly bad treatment; from what the production staff says and can show from script treatments and concept art, work on the second season progressed fairly far along before being unceremoniously cancelled along with pretty much all of their in-house action shows despite the upfront order of fifty-two episodes. Apparently Thundercats Roar only exists because Cartoon Network put out the money for the rights to make a second season and wants something to show for it.

                                                                                        Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                                          Yeah, I was aware of the behind the scenes on Gravity Falls and ending after two seasons. There in particular I was mostly referring to their airing schedule of one new episode anywhere from 1 to 4 months apart. Some of that was probably production, but I can't imagine anyone involved on the staff wanted that kind of release schedule.

                                                                                          (And back in the far off time of 1995, Gargoyles' second season suffered the problem of them putting out new episodes the day they were done… which had the positive of keeping new material coming out for a very long period... but had the negative of dragging the Avalon world tour, which should have taken three weeks, for nearly six months, ANd back in the pre-internet time when there was no way to know what was coming, that was a LOT of days of setting the VCR for while you were at school only to come home to dissapointment reruns... so it's not in any way a new problem.)

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                                                                                            Episode 19 was pretty disappointing. It was exactly how I thought this whole Rose thing was going to be handled: characters going from being completely mad at her with being in love again in the course of 7 minutes. The whole "our relationship was based on a lie!" also felt totally forced fake drama.
                                                                                            I like the implication that Rose/Pearl may not have been a completely unilateral thing at first… or at least that's how I felt.

                                                                                            Episode 20, though... I really liked how Amethyst - and the situation, through her - was handled in this episode. If there is one thing that I just keep finding better and better in this series, gotta be this girl.

                                                                                            ! Broken trust - specially one that kept going for centuries - is not the kind of thing that will be solved instantly with a "she had her reasons" and this episode seemed to understand that as, instead of rushing to have Amethyst being in love with Rose once again, they gave her time to slowly cool things down. Also, I like how they finally addressed Steven forcing people to open up to him even when they repeatedly refuse to (before, he would eventually brake them through exhaustion, this time they finally gave him a definite "no")… and better yet, this was not done simply because Amethyst didn't want to talk about it, but because she was the only one seeing the whole picture - gotta love this inversion of her playing the mature part while Garnet just broke... quite literally.

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                                                                                              What I like about this one is that finally we are leak free!! (Save from the giantic one that we are still mopping up)

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                                                                                                It was the leak to end all leaks considering how much of a catastrophic fuck up it was

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                                                                                                  @Robby:

                                                                                                  Adventure Time was the channel's biggest hit and while it was allowed to run 10 seasons, some of them exceptionally long, even it is getting screwed in its final season with random airings of blocks and little to no promotion, and constant hiatuses just to push out a batch of episodes.

                                                                                                  And Regular Show we didn't know was ending until about a week before it happened. And though a different channel, Gravity Falls was constantly screwed too and similarly, didn't announce its end until the last minute.
                                                                                                  See also how Korra got screwed around with Nick not ordering seasons until after they had finished a year, not advertising, pulling the show and only airing it digitially, pulling an episode's budget at the end of production forcing a clip show…. or when ABC cancelled Reboot and it had to keep going in Canada to get to its amazing thired season and then was cancelled again before finishing season 4...it happens all the time.
                                                                                                  See also shows cancelled before they were ready to end and had a cliffhanger finale, like Sonic SatAm or Spectacular Spiderman or Teen Titans, or shows that were straight up only half done like Pirates of Darkwater or new Thundercats... or the way shows like Samurai Jack or Mysteries Inc had their final episodes held and stretched over ridiculously lengthy ammounts of time. Hell, Calamity Jane only ever aired its first three of thirteen episodes.

                                                                                                  It's not just a Steven Universe problem, or even just a Cartoon Network problem. Animated shows get treated like crap all the time, because they take so long to produce and get greenlit so far in advance, it's possible for new execs to come along and completely hate them by the time they ever even start airing.

                                                                                                  As for the 11 minute format? That format is fine, in theory. It forces you to cut all the fat and get right to it. In theory, the advantage of it is you can take an old 26 episode budget and get 52 episodes out of it, and so air a new episode every week all year. And in theory that's great and it was fantastic when Adventure Time basically did that model.
                                                                                                  It's not so great when they instead decided to have multi-month gaps and then just binge 5-8 episodes in a week and then go to another drought, it completely defeats the purpose of the format.

                                                                                                  What a huge bummer. SU is the only CN/Disney show that I ever got into but I'm surprised that it's so common.

                                                                                                  This might not be an apt comparison, but adult animated shows get wildly different treatment. The Simpsons, Family Guy, Bob's Burgers (feels kinda wrong to lump that one in alongside but whatever) and Rick and Morty keep season contracts and have typical off seasons. The one exception is Rick and Morty which takes a long time to produce but Dan Harmon recently played hardball with the network and got them to agree to an "all or nothing" four season order. I'm not crazy about Rick and Morty on the whole but you gotta respect how Harmon went to bat for the series longevity.

                                                                                                  So, even though my understanding of this is narrow, I still see that and then look at the crewniverse and wonder why they seem to let the show suffer as much as it does. Maybe not nowadays, but there really was a time a couple seasons ago that Sugar could have leveraged for a similar deal that fixed the formatting/scheduling issues and then some. I don't get the impression that crewniverse hates working with CN or anything, but they must have been reading the majority of the fanbase that has always been bothered by this and they've never really spoken up or been transparent about it. I'm really just trying to wrap my brain around the whole thing.

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                                                                                                    "Let"? They are barelly in position to negociate.

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                                                                                                      Yeah, the staff doesn't get to negotiate those things. And Rebecca Sugar, while brilliant, isn't a big enough hollywood name to have negotiating clout. That's a CN thing entirely.

                                                                                                      Also, Rick and Morty was pulling in ,much highers ratings. and from the most desirable marketable demographic of men ages 18-49.

                                                                                                      Steven pulls well with children and girls, and at much lower numbers. So….

                                                                                                      Similarly, Teen Titans Go, trash that it is, pulls in super high ratings pretty regularly... and Aventure Time at its height was crazy. there's a REASON they air those shows constantly 24/7. (the literal non-stop airing of TTG is dragging it's ratings down tho)

                                                                                                      If Steven was pulling in ratings like that it'd absolutely be renewed without question and we'd be getting constant marathons and new episodes every week.

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                                                                                                        Episode 19 was pretty disappointing. It was exactly how I thought this whole Rose thing was going to be handled: characters going from being completely mad at her with being in love again in the course of 7 minutes. The whole "our relationship was based on a lie!" also felt totally forced fake drama.
                                                                                                        I like the implication that Rose/Pearl may not have been a completely unilateral thing at first… or at least that's how I felt.

                                                                                                        Episode 20, though... I really liked how Amethyst - and the situation, through her - was handled in this episode. If there is one thing that I just keep finding better and better in this series, gotta be this girl.

                                                                                                        ! Broken trust - specially one that kept going for centuries - is not the kind of thing that will be solved instantly with a "she had her reasons" and this episode seemed to understand that as, instead of rushing to have Amethyst being in love with Rose once again, they gave her time to slowly cool things down. Also, I like how they finally addressed Steven forcing people to open up to him even when they repeatedly refuse to (before, he would eventually brake them through exhaustion, this time they finally gave him a definite "no")… and better yet, this was not done simply because Amethyst didn't want to talk about it, but because she was the only one seeing the whole picture - gotta love this inversion of her playing the mature part while Garnet just broke... quite literally.

                                                                                                        Ehhh I disagree, a lot of people thought she was some evil mastermind so its more just centering on what her morality is. An impulsive person, who was a liar and also made terrible decisions because of her lack of foresight. She's not back to good at all.

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