Steven Universe

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

Uh… what?

Does the latin america show also count season 1 as the initial batch of 52 episodes or did they count that as two seasons? Is the VA keeping track given the erratic schedule of releases and recording? Giving a number off the top of their head?

Either way, its been three years since Cartoon Network last officially said anything about new episodes, (March 2015) and two years since they split the numbering to make it seem like more. That's a ridiculous amount of time to not have a renewal announcement in animation, especially given the lead times needed and the fact they have to publicly announce schedules waaaaay in advance.

The only thing going for it right now is it hasn't been officially announced to be ending like Adventure Time is and Regular Show did... though RS we didn't know was ending till close to the last minute.

I just think there's a lot more evidence for S6 than there is against it. They could always cut the show off after 5 regardless of what was made for 6 but I think we'll get there especially since a finale would be 9-10 episodes from now and the crewniverse on twitter mentioned there'd be a lot more surprises besides that huge leak ( which I wont mention on here )

I think it might take until S5 ends before a S6 announcement as silly as that would be

y2kyle89

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Demon Rin

! WHAT. THE. HELL?!?!?!?! What with that and… SUMMER?!?!? FUCK YOU CREWNIVERSE!!! You can't do that to us!!!
! Don't drop that freaking bomb on us and then make us WAIT for resolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT IN ALL OF THE ACTUAL FUCK?!?!?!!?!??!
! Three?.... Fo- Five. Five fucking episodes ago, Garnet was gushing about how amazing Rose was to Lars and his crew.... she practically worshiped her... This.... holy shit.... just.... oh my god.....
! Oh my god…...........

Robby

It's weird seeing people so crazily thrown by this when this was speculated to be the case… a lot.

! Like, it didn't feel like a plot twist to me at all just… "well, that's confirmation on what we thought two years ago, the really powerful large pink gem was actually the really powerful large pink gem. That explains how the pieces fit together and wraps up the specific mystery started in the trial episode about the fact it wasn't actually Rose that did the did." I think we speculated pretty heavily at the time that Pearl did it, and was maybe her retainer specifically.
! So like the this was just filling in the context and details, rather than being new information... or so I thought but my wife was completely confused and surprised and the reaction on here seem pretty blown away and like its a big surprise so I dunno.
! I'm not sure what exactly inspired the theories originally, just a lot of the various bits of symbolism and that we didn't ever see pink Diamond... but it doesn't seem like it was random mass guessing since it made sense and I took it to be a likely legit outcome. Little subtle bits and pieces everywhere I guess.
! The one thing about this being confirmed though is the context makes for Rose having been much more of a spoiled ass than we previously believed.

maxterdexter

! That was the theory a while ago, but we got to learn more about rose and pink diamond, they just seemed too different characters.
! And it is not that she is pink diamond, is with all the context that has been revealed ever since, the actual cost of the war, circumstances and the impact that her death and principles have had on the world.
! It's the Mother Carmel, or that suddenly Roger is a marine agent.

sgamer82

When it comes to the new reveals, while Garnet and Amethyst's reactions will probably take center stage, I'm honestly curious about how Peridot will respond.

! She's probably low on most peoples' list because she never met Rose, and has little stake in whether she's one thing or the other. On the other hand, she's probably internalized Rose's ideals better than most and she did it in, when you think about it, pretty much the same way Rose did.
! Both willingly threw away their positions and status because they had come to love the Earth and its life. Granted, it was more forced onto Peridot than it was Rose, but Peridot was still out to save the Earth of her own volition even before she called Yellow Diamond a clod.
! I could see Peridot coming on to Rose's side even as everyone else is working their way through their respective*Broken Pedestals.

Wagomu

@Robby:

It's weird seeing people so crazily thrown by this when this was speculated to be the case… a lot.

! Like, it didn't feel like a plot twist to me at all just… "well, that's confirmation on what we thought two years ago, the really powerful large pink gem was actually the really powerful large pink gem. That explains how the pieces fit together and wraps up the specific mystery started in the trial episode about the fact it wasn't actually Rose that did the did." I think we speculated pretty heavily at the time that Pearl did it, and was maybe her retainer specifically.
! So like the this was just filling in the context and details, rather than being new information... or so I thought but my wife was completely confused and surprised and the reaction on here seem pretty blown away and like its a big surprise so I dunno.
! I'm not sure what exactly inspired the theories originally, just a lot of the various bits of symbolism and that we didn't ever see pink Diamond... but it doesn't seem like it was random mass guessing since it made sense and I took it to be a likely legit outcome. Little subtle bits and pieces everywhere I guess.
! The one thing about this being confirmed though is the context makes for Rose having been much more of a spoiled ass than we previously believed.

! It was a surprise for a lot of people because of the setup, which threw out some red herrings and made people doubt the old theory again. Some fans just never believed in the theory. Others kept it in the back of their mind, but were unsure nor committed to it. Some people thought it would ruin the character, so they latched onto opposing theories that made more sense to them (though a lot of those people seem to have been won over by the well-done execution). I was thrown somewhat when we heard Pink Diamond was shattered, and was in the camp of people who believed a mind transfer might have happened, so the actual circumstances are surprising. And even if you didn't consider it a surprise, the sudden confirmation is still pretty big, since now we're free to consider the implications of it all without stretching into theories about theories, so it's high impact on the fandom.

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

! I can see peridot freaking out quite a bit. Especially since she's treated him so "thoughtlessly" or rather without proper respect

maxterdexter

! So, now the thing is we know that Rose's mesage, of life, acceptance and love is the true path, but her methods and past are full of shit. Or not, she did live that life, where she inspired, and she became that persona, but that is tainted because who she was before, and the price of that secret.
! Again, Imagine that she didn't create this alterego to fight the authority? A Diamond who doesn't conform? That would have been a stronger message for gemdom.
! But it seems like we are going for a "don't trust your idols", but living for 5k years with a fake is terrible for Garnet.
! But again, she's not totally a fake, she faked a lot, but does starting it all with a lie makes it meaningless?
! I really need to see what they are going with this.

KageKageKing

! Is Rose like the new Princess Bumblegum?

Zar

! Meanwhile us Lion=PD fans are crying in our corner of shame.
! I'm happy the original theory paid off though. It's been around for so long.
! Also Jasper headbutted her own diamond.

pariston_hill

! Jasper gonna haver a harder ptsd than she already has. Seriously she became the shows punching bag.
So are we calling Steven, Stevie D now or not?

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sgamer82

@maxterdexter:

! Again, Imagine that she didn't create this alterego to fight the authority? A Diamond who doesn't conform? That would have been a stronger message for gemdom.

I'm not sure that's true.

! If she'd rebelled as Pink Diamond instead of Rose she'd run into a whole other issue: How many Gems are following her due to the message of nonconformity, and how many are following because she's their Diamond and their loyalty is to her?
! Whatever else may or may not be true of Rose, nearly every Crystal Gem followed her of their own free will. Even Pearl consented to the game shatter plan, if not necessarily the silencing that came with it.

Pachylad

@Zar:

! Meanwhile us Lion=PD fans are crying in our corner of shame.
! I'm happy the original theory paid off though. It's been around for so long.

! If it makes you feel better, your 'Pink Diamond committed suicide' theory (and actually kind of the theory I held onto the longest since reading it nearly a year ago) is … kinda technically correct?

killerbee1000

Holy shit, this show just turned it's backstory upside down. This opens up a whole can of new questions.

Brilliant.

maxterdexter

! Yah, you all were right, except the lion people.
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Zar

@Pachylad:

! If it makes you feel better, your 'Pink Diamond committed suicide' theory (and actually kind of the theory I held onto the longest since reading it nearly a year ago) is … kinda technically correct?

! Oh yeah, forgot I posted about that here. So many sites, so many theories… Thank you for remembering.
! If I had written "taken her own life" instead of "suicide", it would actually be true. Or rather she killed one of her identities.
! Interestingly there's one more instance where this could come into play: Steven's birth. We know she conceived him due to her love for humans and curiosity, but I'm getting the feeling guilt was also part of it. She probably felt bad for all the things that happened, and creating Steven might be her way of escaping and starting anew. Of course this also depends on whether she's still aware (I really hope not) or gone permanently.

Daz

! Clearly, the moral thing for Rose to do would've been to let the earth get drained to a hollow husk, devoid of organic life. Think of all the suffering she caused, by virtue of standing up to the intergalactic opressors! Gems wouldn't have been shattered if SHE hadn't provoked THEM to nuke the entire planet! This is all on her hands!
! Seriously, Rose is quite sneaky, and maybe could've done more by keeping the Pink Diamond persona. Maybe not, the story of a humble quartz soldier rising up to overthrow the aristocracy can be more powerful and inspiring to the common gems than the story of an aristocrat preaching love and freedom. Rose ultimately saved every single life on the planet and stood up for gem freedom, she became a better person, and the crystal gems- and all life on the planet, lets not forget that bit- were shaped by it.

Demon Rin

Quick yes or no question for anyone who knows what that massive and super upsetting recent leak was.

Was it this? Was it the big thing we're all freaking out about right now?

@Daz:

! Clearly, the moral thing for Rose to do would've been to let the earth get drained to a hollow husk, devoid of organic life. Think of all the suffering she caused, by virtue of standing up to the intergalactic genoical opressors! Gems wouldn't have been shattered if SHE hadn't provoked THEM to nuke the entire planet! This is all on her hands!
! Seriously, Rose is quite sneaky, and maybe could've done more by keeping the Pink Diamond persona. Maybe not, the story of a humble quartz soldier rising up to overthrow the aristocracy can be more powerful and inspiring to the common gems than the story of an aristocrat preaching love and freedom. Rose ultimately saved every single life on the planet and stood up for gem freedom, she became a better person, and the crystal gems- and all life on the planet, lets not forget that bit- were shaped by it.

! The act if "Killing" Pink Diamond was supposed to, in theory, cause the remaining Diamonds to give up, but instead they attacked Earth with The Corrupting Light which killed and corrupted the ENTIRE Crystal Gem Army sans Rose, Garnet, Pearl, Amethyst, Lapis and Bismuth.
! It's not hard to consider this Rose's fault. that can easily be what is upsetting people. A lot might be operating under the assumption that as Pink Diamond, Rose could have gone about trying to free Earth in another way, like using her status to negotiate, rather than stage a rebellion under false pretense.

Ubiq

@Demon:

Quick yes or no question for anyone who knows what that massive and super upsetting recent leak was.

Was it this? Was it the big thing we're all freaking out about right now?

No, what Cartoon Network spoiled could easily be a "This might be the last time you'll ever see these characters" shot that could easily serve as either a series or season finale.

pariston_hill

! The merit is not that Pink saved life on Earth, the merit is that her methods in doing so were twisted. Ever since Homeworld has been introduced this has been established as an ideological fight, Homeworld's predeterministic views of society and ever expanding empire pitched against the Crystal Gems free will and protection of all form of life. To have the leader of the rebellion, be a part of the establishment, weakens their viewpoint.
Pink actions were hasty, naive, immature, short sighted, etc and by keeping the lie she doomed every gem she tried to save due to the corruption wave. Her actions resulted in a greater good by, in my view by no metric they made her a better person. Granted after her loss in the war she grew a bit, but not enough to face the consequences of her actions, actually I think is unfair the position she put Steven in with the gag-order on Pearl and by keeping Garnet and Amy ignorant about it. Steven HAS now to be the grown up to fix all the mess she caused.
Well, that's my two cents on why Pink is not a good person and on why people may dislike her.

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

! Yeah I see why she's disliked but people on tumblr are calling her the true villain and the most evil character and thats too much. I think they're weighing what resulted from her too much vs what she was trying to do.
! She clearly cared about other gems. She didnt want human life to die either. Yeah she went about it in a terrible way, was a serial liar and cause a lot of issues with characters through her actions but I dont think she was intendedly malicious.
! I know rebecca sugar called her a terrible person but to me thats a bit much.
She's still flawed as hell but she had her good qualities as well.

pariston_hill

@Long:

! Yeah I see why she's disliked but people on tumblr are calling her the true villain and the most evil character and thats too much.

! People on tumblr are no different that those from 4chan, except those in former actually believe the shit they say.
No offense no the actual very awesome minority of tumblr users.

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Daz

! Rose is naive, childish and selfish in a lot of her actions, sure, but I still think everyone blaming her for the corruption wave is out of line. Its a bit like saying "the true villains are the Syrian rebels who thoughtlessly provoked Assad to use horrible chemical weaponry. What were those rebels thinking? Its on them for not realizing the total moral bankruptcy of their opponent".
! In terms of cause and effect yes, one thing clearly led to another, but in terms of blame I know where to point.

maxterdexter

@Daz:

! Rose is naive, childish and selfish in a lot of her actions, sure, but I still think everyone blaming her for the corruption wave is out of line. Its a bit like saying "the true villains are the Syrian rebels who thoughtlessly provoked Assad to use horrible chemical weaponry. What were those rebels thinking? Its on them for not realizing the total moral bankruptcy of their opponent".
! In terms of cause and effect yes, one thing clearly led to another, but in terms of blame I know where to point.

! Your example fails because Asad isn't also fighting side by side with the rebels, and all the implications of a freedom fighter being also the oppresor, and having the posibility of stoping the rebelion.
! Under the logic that you are critiquing, she has always been the "cause" of the corruption beam, and the rebelion and everything. But now, she is also responsible of the formation of the colony in the first place, and forsaking powers and contacts that could have been used to get to a better resolution.
! She complained at both yellow and blue at the same time, (instead of separating them and getting blue on her side first), she created a persona to combat the power, while her "civilian identity" did nothig public to help the movement.
! Rose Quartz as a born Quartz soldier was a revolutionary who did her best to save earth.
Rose Quartz as Pink Diamond was an oppresor who wanted to play rebel, but not commit to it without infantile drama and subterfuge.
! Imagine if Gol D Roger was one of the elder stars, or that Dark Vader got tired of choking people to death and went to train new younglings, or whenever those conservative pro family pro life politicians suddenly have a mistress (or the equivalent term for a secret gay lover), is that space between hipocricy and half assing your "redemption" that makes me dislike Rose right now.
! Or Batman, the comics sweep this away because we have known since the begining (like we are accomplices), and Bruce isn't a supervillain, and Bruce finances most of the public spaces of the city and runs a ton of phylantropic efforts, sure he could do more if he didn't go out at night to punch poor or mentally ill people with super expensive toys, but once there are insane clowns that always escape the cops, that choice is made for you.
! If Bruce also was a mobster, but did the batman stuff, and the bat family except alfred didn't know it, he finances the mob (poorly to provide a chance), and tries to undermine it but keeps going on at it, while he trains people to fight the mob on the other side?

sgamer82

The thing that keeps striking me in all this is that it reinforces just how much alike Steven and Rose ultimately are. Given all this it's now way to easy to imagine Rose Quartz lamenting why she never asks follow up questions.

The difference is that Steven has been maturing quite quickly over the course of the show. If Rose matured at all, which I'll not banking on since so much of the Crystal Gems' character development in general seemed to stem from Steven and Rose's in particular from Greg, it would only have been after the Gem War and corruption, and the realization of how far everything went.

That said, I'm not entirely sure Rose was ever that introspective.

Wagomu

! Calling Rose THE REAL VILLAIN is super reductive for such a complex character. There's an interplay of good and bad to her. She was an immature liar, whose naive actions had big and awful consequences for the rebellion she lead, and whose identity undermines the nature of the rebellion to some extent. But she also fought for her sincere belief in the earth's freedom, and the individuality of all gems. Those things weren't lies, nor were the consequences. Her actions did protect the earth, if not the gems, and is now inspiring people like the off-colors, who were oppressed by homeworld and didn't even think that it was possible to exist outside the system as anything other than rejects clinging to life. They'll have to learn the truth about Rose eventually, but just knowing about the rebellion is important, and they wouldn't have been so easily able to question their lifestyles without that.
! I think the most interesting crux of Rose's character is her relationship with Greg, because it was a part of her so removed from her identity as an invasive monarch or the leader of a rebellion. Regardless of all of that, she was sincere with him. She may have been secretive about her oldest stuff, but the past didn't matter to Greg, so long as they were enjoying the present. Even if she was a straight-up Skeletor of a villain before, the love she had with Greg deepens the picture. It might have been selfish of her to follow that whim, though, and selfish of her to leave everyone behind to give birth to Steven. But then again, that was mutual with Greg.
! See, there's a lot to talk about with her that can be good or bad. She's a flawed and interesting character, just from what little we know about her. Calling her a hero or a villain willfully ignores major aspects of her character and legacy.

maxterdexter

! I agree with you, that the good that she did in those years, and the symbol that she became can't be denied. And it's that nuance that I hope gets explored.
! But right now, I am outraged.
! I hope the blue circon shows up again.

sgamer82

Honestly, I don't see the reveal as that much of a game changer in regards to Rose's actions. Not nearly as much as everyone else seems to be, anyway.

! We've known from the moment we heard about Pink Diamond's shattering that Rose Quartz is someone who would compromise her morals if the reason was important enough to her. The reveal only changes the reason to something admittedly more petty.
! Even then though, Rose did believe in freedom and free will. That's part of why she rejected the Pink Diamond identity, after all, to be free herself.
! Honestly, the single most hypocritical thing she did in my opinion was tongue tie Pearl into secrecy, and even then Pearl was at least consenting to the plan as a whole and it's just another example of Rose's thoughtlessness.
! No matter how much or little Rose was a hypocrite, though, Steven isn't. The Crystal Gems weren't. They while heartedly believed in Rose's stated ideals (which, as I'd said earlier, is in my mind why she couldn't have led the rebellion as Pink Diamond in the first place).
! Rose is gone. This reveal can be regarded as tainting get legacy, but through Steven those ideals can become real in a way Rose Quartz never dreamed.

maxterdexter

If all porkchops were perfect, we wouldn't have hotdogs.

Purple Hermit

@maxterdexter:

If all porkchops were perfect, we wouldn't have hotdogs.

! - Greg Universe, Diamond Killer

sgamer82

@maxterdexter:

If all porkchops were perfect, we wouldn't have hotdogs.

Kind of interesting to think that Rose might well have seen herself as the hot dog.

maxterdexter

No, Steven is the hot dog.

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We have the timeline on the creation of the cluster?

sgamer82

@maxterdexter:

No, Steven is the hot dog.

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We have the timeline on the creation of the cluster?

True. Maybe Rose saw herself as the imperfect pork chop.

It just takes me back to a line in Doctor Who, one version of the Doctor notes that "Great men are forged in fire, it is the task of lesser men to light the flame" which, even spoken, is the Doctor referring to himself as the lesser man and his future selves as the great ones.

Icefae

I'm still in an absolute brain fog after Monday's episode.

This whole season has been such a roller coaster. Fucking love this show.

sgamer82

@Icefae:

I'm still in an absolute brain fog after Monday's episode.

This whole season has been such a roller coaster. Fucking love this show.

What I love about the reveal is how it puts so much of what we've seen in a new context. One of the first things I thought of when I had a chance to really consider it was "Sworn to the Sword", where Pearl's tendency to take poofblows meant for Rose gains a whole new meaning with the knowledge that Pearl was the only one in on the secret and what Rose getting poofed would have exposed.

maxterdexter

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Goddamnit and I thought the fallout of infinity war was going to be heavy.

RoboBlue

! So Rose Quartz is a christ allegory, but all of her actions were taken for selfish reasons. Sigh.

No swords style best style

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Long John Silvers Rayleigh

@RoboBlue:

! So Rose Quartz is a christ allegory, but all of her actions were taken for selfish reasons. Sigh.

! I dont think she did the things she did completely for her own feelings. Im sure she felt good in standing up for the other gems and humans but she wasnt what a would call a white knight. Or someone with a guilt complex, at least not before the diamond hand beam.

maxterdexter

Half of it is Rebecca Sugar talking about the pieces that led to the reveal of last chapter.

Important bits:

! My Pearl is read as the same kind of thing of "My Diamond" not "my chair"
Rose and Pearl felt guilt over these 5k years

The other half is the strangely placed mother's day message.

KaizokuJinbei

I'm a bit late but that was a pretty big bomb there

! Firstly if memory serves I don't think we've had Lapis sing yet so that was nice.
! The next episode was the big one answering one of the biggest questions. Finding out Rose Quartz was in fact Pink Diamond is nice I always knew she was ever since the Human Zoo episode.
! Garnet will definitely take this pretty hard (the Sapphire side in particular it seems). Amethyst will be shocked but probably won't be affected by it nearly as much.

Nectar

They can another season on reactions alone.

! Yeah, I want to see how the core group reacts as well as Lapis and Peridot. Steven revealing he's a diamond to the Diamonds may be the only thing that can stop them. Or not. They'll freak out and try to kill Steven to bring PD back. This news will probably bring White Diamond into the mix.

.access timeco.

@maxterdexter:

Half of it is Rebecca Sugar talking about the pieces that led to the reveal of last chapter.

Important bits:

! My Pearl is read as the same kind of thing of "My Diamond" not "my chair"
Rose and Pearl felt guilt over these 5k years

The other half is the strangely placed mother's day message.

Well, that's some serious amount of foreshadowing. Not just the BIG REVEAL itself, but the tiny details of how that affected Pearl's personality. Oda is shaking.

As for people's reactions, I felt like Robby

! really surprised to see how completely mind blown everybody was. I thought PD=RQ was a theory so ingrained in the fans that at this point was already pretty much taken as a fact and this episode would feel more like "yay! we were right" than "WHAT THE HELL NEVER SAW IT COMING"
! That said, even though I was pretty much sold on that theory, it is kinda sad to think that Rose Quartz herself never existed. I mean, she did, just not with that face or name, but… well... Not a bad thing, though, it is a bold move and those are always great.

SpaceCowboy

@.access:

As for people's reactions, I felt like Robby

! really surprised to see how completely mind blown everybody was. I thought PD=RQ was a theory so ingrained in the fans that at this point was already pretty much taken as a fact and this episode would feel more like "yay! we were right" than "WHAT THE HELL NEVER SAW IT COMING"
! That said, even though I was pretty much sold on that theory, it is kinda sad to think that Rose Quartz herself never existed. I mean, she did, just not with that face or name, but… well... Not a bad thing, though, it is a bold move and those are always great.

Reminds me of Garnet being a fusion thing.
There were tons of theory and even some evidence flying around, and yet people acted like it was some ground breaking event.

No. It wasn't.
It was fun and I like that it went that way, but it doesn't justify a "WHAT?!?!?!'!?1'1!?1'1'1'1" reaction.

! I think the theory most people were latching themselves to was that White Diamond killed Pink, but this was definitely out there

Robby

!

Some of it is over-reaching fan grasping at anything, but some of it is Holy crap the left hand/right hand thing.

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

@.access:

Well, that's some serious amount of foreshadowing. Not just the BIG REVEAL itself, but the tiny details of how that affected Pearl's personality. Oda is shaking.

As for people's reactions, I felt like Robby

! really surprised to see how completely mind blown everybody was. I thought PD=RQ was a theory so ingrained in the fans that at this point was already pretty much taken as a fact and this episode would feel more like "yay! we were right" than "WHAT THE HELL NEVER SAW IT COMING"
! That said, even though I was pretty much sold on that theory, it is kinda sad to think that Rose Quartz herself never existed. I mean, she did, just not with that face or name, but… well... Not a bad thing, though, it is a bold move and those are always great.

! It was Something a lot of people consider but the crewniverse fed us info that we could think contradicted like the " rose shattered pink " bomb at the end of S3. Plenty of people considered but then as time went on jumped off the bandwagon or thought " thats too easy"
! I actually follow a podcast where they stated they were disappointed that the easy answer was the right one and they felt like the crewniverse got caught too earlier so they tried stalling out so people wouldnt believe it anymore so the surprise would work. I dont agree that S3-now were just stalling until the reveal or anything or that this makes stevens character development go up in smoke though.

Ubiq

@.access:

! it is kinda sad to think that Rose Quartz herself never existed. I mean, she did, just not with that face or name, but… well... Not a bad thing, though, it is a bold move and those are always great.

! Well, there used to be hundreds, if not thousands, of Rose Quartzes up until the Diamond Authority had the entire line bubbled for killing Pink Diamond. Well, unless they shattered a bunch of them as well.
! Presumably Earth had one as well before, well, you know.

@SpaceCowboy:

! I think the theory most people were latching themselves to was that White Diamond killed Pink, but this was definitely out there

! That theory basically only came about because of Yellow Diamond's reaction to Zircon's speculation in The Trial, which made people suspect a Homeworld conspiracy.

maxterdexter

I have to watch the scene once more but maybe our Pearl wasn't made for Pink Diamond?

The gem placement is the only part that still doesn't fit, and that while everyone knew that the CGems had the "terryfing renegade pearl who belongs to nobody", and that the Circons still wanted to know where Pink Diamond's pearl was without considering her suspect or marking her as a crystal gem.

What does homeworld exactly knows of the Crystal Gems themselves? Like they know the exact ruby and saphire that interloped? They have Rose's facet and cut and kindergarden? or the rest?

They know nothing about amethyst.

The Gems' rebelion seems to have caused a reduction of power on gems, leading to peridot being "undercooked" on purpose, and more off colors like Papardasha and the Rutile twins.

taboo

finally caught up

Lars had all the character growth i wanted steven to have in a grand total of like 1 episode