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If 4kids never dubbed One Piece
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4kids is how i discovered one piece in the first place…
I still say "hey luffyyyyy" in sanji's new york accent sometimes >>
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Funimation would've gotten it earlier and theres a good chance it would've had more of a presence in the U.S.
But eh, looking back 4Kids was too bad with it, the voices were decent, the dialouge..yeah not so much.
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If 4Kids never dubbed One Piece then Funimation would have gotten it. I don't know how faithful the dub would have been in certain respects as a big deal of getting One Piece in '07 was making it as close to the original as possible. Though it is Funimation. It would have most likely been nearly the same with maybe a few different things such as voices and terms.
I honestly also think it would have done much better on TV. It probably would have been on Cartoon Network/Toonami/Miguzi sooner and probably have done much better.
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Use to watch it every morning on cheese tv when I was a kid good times haha
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Like others said, Funimation probably would have gotten it.
Of course, there would still be the inevitable edits (blood, language, etc.)
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Why is no one understanding the real point of this thread?
I would live in a castle in the sky with a moat with great whites that have lazer beams attatched to their freaking head…and i would be married to a slightly younger Dita Von Teese and / or Kate Beckinsale (eh...both).
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Like others said, Funimation probably would have gotten it.
Of course, there would still be the inevitable edits (blood, language, etc.)
It would probably have been slightly more popular in the U.S., but not by that much.Eh, I think it would have been somewhere between DBZ's and Yu Yu Hakusho's popularity, which would put it 1 click behind Naruto. And we know that Naruto's pretty well known for the most part. In fact, I remember a couple of my friends from Middle School even pointing Naruto out, and they weren't exactly big anime fans.
Funimation was really really interested in the series around late 2002 to early 2004, so here's how I think things would have gone down:
Funimation would have picked up the show somewhere in 2003 and Cartoon Network would have picked up the show in a heartbeat (VIZ actually advertised the One Piece manga on adultswim.com back in 2002). If you guys recall, 2003/2004 were the years when Funi started to make their dubs more faithful to the original, like Full Metal Alchemist, Case Closed, etc, as opposed to their earlier dubs of Dragon Ball. I'm pretty sure that most of the original names and terms would have been kept, as well as the original background music (I know that Dragon Ball Z and GT were exceptions, but those were the only shows where they changed the BGM).
I do think that some of they dialogue would have been "touched up" a little to make it more suitable for English audiences, which would be that bad in my opinion (Now hear me out, I really like how Funi likes to make things accurate to the original, but sometimes it's a bit too "accurate" if you know what I'm saying. Sometimes it feels like the stuff is coming directly from the subs and as a result, the delivery is kind of awkward. A notable example would be from Season 4 Voyage 1, where Itomimizu bugs Nami during the Dnnut race when she's rowing, saying that "Nothing fools this girl". To me the whole scene just seemed off, but whatever.
It probably would have gotten a slot weekdays on Toonami somewhere between late 2003-early 2004, replacing the umpteenth rerun of SD Gundam (yes, that terrible show). DBZ ended right around that time, so pretty much Shounen fans would have jumped at it at least. In terms of editing and censorship, I think it would have been the same as it the Skypeia episodes we got, but it may have had a little more blood and connecting punches ala DBZ.
In the end, the show probably would have been popular enough to migrate with Toonami to Saturdays and have stayed there until Stuart Synder decided to ditch non-toyetic anime from Cartoon Network in 2008. Yep, things would have been a lot better and One Piece wouldn't have had a bad rep amongst mainstream English viewers like it does today. 4kids really f'ed things up royally for One Piece's future prospects and unless anime industry makes another boom again like it did from 2000-2005 (which is highly unlikely due to piracy, how ironic for One Piece lol) no matter what Funimation does, the show will never have another chance to become as popular as it deserves to be. That's why I'm hoping Funimation is making an effort to get One Piece on Nicktoons or Toonami 2.0, because those are the only places left that could allow One Piece to get mainstream attention. Time is also a factor here because the long it's off TV (it's been almost 5 years now) the more likely people are going to forget about it.
Let's just be thankful VIZ didn't get it at any point because we all know that if it's not Naruto or Inuyasha, they would have put it on the back burner and probably stopped releasing DVDs halfway…
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For all that everyone blames 4Kids for destroying the show, even with Funi helming it at the start it still wouldn't have done that well on TV, its just too weird looking to attract a mainstream audience. It was never going to be Naruto or DBZ, its just too strange and overly colorful. (though now we're in a post-Adventure Time world… if it was timeslotted next to that it might have a chance.)
It'd still get released in box sets and it would probably be pretty much the same situation as it is now with the simul-releases and the boxsets... though perhaps a bit further along.
Realistically, the biggest difference of note is we'd probably still have Zoro in the Viz manga translations rather than Zolo since the licensing department would work differently.
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@RobbyBevard:
For all that everyone blames 4Kids for destroying the show, even with Funi helming it at the start it still wouldn't have done that well on TV, its just too weird looking to attract a mainstream audience. It was never going to be Naruto or DBZ, its just too strange and overly colorful. (though now we're in a post-Adventure Time world… if it was timeslotted next to that it might have a chance.)
It'd still get released in box sets and it would probably be pretty much the same situation as it is now with the simul-releases and the boxsets... though perhaps a bit further along.
Realistically, the biggest difference of note is we'd probably still have Zoro in the Viz manga translations rather than Zolo since the licensing department would work differently.
I think that it COULD have been a contender. If Funimation had gotten it and aired on CN it could have reached Naruto levels of popularity.
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Why is no one understanding the real point of this thread? I would live in a castle in the sky with a moat with great whites that have lazer beams attatched to their freaking head…and i would be married to a slightly younger Dita Von Teese and / or Kate Beckinsale (eh...both).
He gets it. I didnt intend to make a logic thread, not a actually how-it-will-turn-out thread, but a thread where you can blow off your hatred for 4kids impact on One Piece
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Blessings comes in many forms.
As horrid 4kids dub is, the amount of work and faith put into the funimation ones wouldn't be the same if they got it first.
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@Money:
He gets it. I didnt intend to make a logic thread, not a actually how-it-will-turn-out thread, but a thread where you can blow off your hatred for 4kids impact on One Piece
In that case do you want me to change the title of this thread?
Personally I think a what-if discussion is more interesting than blowing off steam on something so old and boring.
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Eh, you can discuss whatever the eff you man, bro.
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@400MillionBelis:
Blessings comes in many forms.
As horrid 4kids dub is, the amount of work and faith put into the funimation ones wouldn't be the same if they got it first.
Of course not.
But It WOULD have gotten to CN faster, and it would have been a hit.
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lol this is so damm easy if 4kids didend dub it first then luffy would rule the world 3 years ago
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All naruto tards would be OP tards
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"One Piece" would be more popular, but it wouldn't be a "Naruto"-sized hit. If it came out around that 2003-2004 release period the dub script would've been a little liberal though.
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@Money:
All naruto tards would be OP tards
I'd rather not have any more tard fans.
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If 4kids never dubbed One Piece, this thread wouldn't exist.
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Aww man, you guys are bumming me out by not responding to my wall of text!
But anyway, I was taking a look back at some of the first 4kids episodes not that long ago and besides the edits and change in BGM, it really wasn't that bad. I wonder what an uncut dub would have sounded like from 4kids (there were talks of Funimation releasing an uncut 4kids dub on DVD, just like they did for the first episodes of Shaman King and Yu-Gi-Oh).
And did kind of like their "We Are"…
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The openings were the only good of 4kids OP
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@Money:
The openings were the only good of 4kids OP
It was one of the worst parts, that's coming from someone who used to like it. Sure, it's a nice little cheese-ball jingle, but it doesn't fit "One Piece". At all. It gives an accurate first impression of what the dub is really like.
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I honestly believe that 4Kids gutting of One Piece was THE reason for anime's overall downfall in popularity. Had One Piece been successful, along with Naruto (Not More, just along Naruto)it would have opened the gates for a brand new anime boom and we would be seeing more non toyetic anime in the west.However, Once the "Unsinkable" Smash Hit crashed all that potential was lost forever and TV Networks in general now have a barely concealed disdain for anime.
Also, you guys seriously overrate Naruto's popularity. You guys seem to think that if an anime is not as Popular as Naruto, it is wortless and that's a great Injustice. I think One Piece COULD have been big, no, HUGE! Not as big as Naruto but problably as popular as Digimon. And that's not bad at all!
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If Funimation had gotten it
They did.
and aired on CN
They did. And in a decent timeslot.
it could have reached Naruto levels of popularity.
It didn't.
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@RobbyBevard:
They did.
They did. And in a decent timeslot.
It didn't.
I meant from the BEGGINING in 2004.
And you call that Timeslot "Decent".How funny. Had it been adquired in 2004 and shown weekday afternoons and late night, it would have been a hit. I know it.
Oh and faithfully dubbed. Which Funimation would have done at that point.
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@RobbyBevard I really don't call 10:00 on a Saturday night a decent time slot. Especially since it had no advertisement and didn't let the viewers know there was a change in cast and dialogue (a promo with some of the new voices would been nice to let people know of this). I mean one second it was 4kids, next second, BOOM, Funimation. I think that threw a lot of casual viewers off due to the jarring change.
So no, Funimation One Piece did not get a fair chance on US TV in any way, shape or form. Not by a long shot.
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@RobbyBevard I really don't call 10:00 on a Saturday night a decent time slot. Especially since it had no advertisement and didn't let the viewers know there was a change in cast and a dialogue (a promo with some of the new voices would been nice to let people know of this). I mean one second it was 4kids, next second, BOOM, Funimation. I think that threw a lot of viewers off due to the jarring change.
So no, Funimation One Piece did not get a fair chance on US TV in any way, shape or form. Not by a long shot.
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Ok this is what I have to say.
If 4Kids never got it FUNimation would've released it in 2003 or 2004. It would've premiered on Toonami and gotten great ratings right from the get-go, unlike how it bombed on Saturday mornings. Then "Naruto" would've come out, and be the true hit it had been on Toonami in first place. "One Piece" would be pretty popular but to a lesser extent than "Naruto". For those that say that "One Piece" just doesn't have that mass-market appeal on American television, and for those that think that if 4Kids never happened "One Piece" would've become a smash hit, well, I believe it's really somewhere in the middle.
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Ok this is what I have to say.
If 4Kids never got it FUNimation would've released it in 2003 or 2004. It would've premiered on Toonami and gotten great ratings right from the get-go, unlike how it bombed on Saturday mornings. Then "Naruto" would've come out, and be the true hit it had been on Toonami in first place. "One Piece" would be pretty popular but to a lesser extent than "Naruto". For those that say that "One Piece" just doesn't have that mass-market appeal on American television, and for those that think that if 4Kids never happened "One Piece" would've become a smash hit, well, I believe it's really somewhere in the middle.
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4Kids ruined One Piece I think had this horrible English dubbed not happened it'd be more popular. Funimation should have gotten the rights from the start ><
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4kids dub, despite all its negative aspects, is the only reason I know about One Piece since 2005(?), and decided to revisit it in 2010 based on what I remembered from seeing then.
I haven't ran into it since, despite being exposed to tons of anime and reading other manga while I was in college.
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@RobbyBevard I really don't call 10:00 on a Saturday night a decent time slot. Especially since it had no advertisement and didn't let the viewers know there was a change in cast and dialogue (a promo with some of the new voices would been nice to let people know of this). I mean one second it was 4kids, next second, BOOM, Funimation. I think that threw a lot of casual viewers off due to the jarring change.
So no, Funimation One Piece did not get a fair chance on US TV in any way, shape or form. Not by a long shot.
Believe it or not, but 4Kids One Piece did get good ratings at first in that time-slot, so much so that CN did have reruns playings durng weekdays "TWICE" a day. Most people forget this. It DID have a good timeslot. Don't foget that Naruto also premiered late and you see how popular that got. Believe me, the timeslot had nothing to do with FUNi Piece's downfall on CN, cause being on Toonami was a good thing.
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Yeah the ultimate downfall of "One Piece" was just ratings. Apparently Cartoon Network expected the ratings to go way up with the switch to FUNimation and that didn't happen. But even if it did I think "One Piece" would've still been cancelled, just like "Naruto".
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Believe it or not, but 4Kids One Piece did get good ratings at first in that time-slot, so much so that CN did have reruns playings durng weekdays "TWICE" a day. Most people forget this. It DID have a good timeslot. Don't foget that Naruto also premiered late and you see how popular that got. Believe me, the timeslot had nothing to do with FUNi Piece's downfall on CN, cause being on Toonami was a good thing.
Yes, But as some have said, had it been there from the beggining AND with Funimation's dub, it would have been a hit from the get go. And yes, it probably would have gotten cancelled, but remember even Naruto got cancelled.
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Believe it or not, but 4Kids One Piece did get good ratings at first in that time-slot, so much so that CN did have reruns playings durng weekdays "TWICE" a day. Most people forget this. It DID have a good timeslot. Don't foget that Naruto also premiered late and you see how popular that got. Believe me, the timeslot had nothing to do with FUNi Piece's downfall on CN, cause being on Toonami was a good thing.
I'm talking about FUNIMATION dubbed One Piece, not 4kids. Yes, 4kids OP did get good ratings, specifically with reruns on Toonami and Miguzi, but its success was still hampered due to the quality of the bad dub.
Also, Naruto got TONS of advertising out the wazoo, unlike One Piece. I remember watching CN during 2005-2007 and almost every other commercial break had a Naruto promo. Not so with 4kids OP, and especially not so with Funimation OP.
Case in point is, Funimation got One Piece too late, after the anime bubble burst here in the US in 2006 and people turned to piracy and downloading more than ever before.
I know that Stuart Synder of CN would have eventually canceled the show regardless of whomever dubbed the show due to his big, bold plan to fund a his mediocre live action shows, regardless.Bbut at least OP could of had a successful run from 2003/2004 to 2008 with a good dub, and would have the negative reputation it has over mainstream and causal anime viewers as it does today. Who knows, the show could have been moved to nicktoons in 2008 and been successful there to this very day…
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It had more blood n stuff so it would have down better. On CN it would have been cancelled regardless of ratings due to there former anti anime crusade. Bastards
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I'm talking about FUNIMATION dubbed One Piece, not 4kids. Yes, 4kids OP did get good ratings, specifically with reruns on Toonami and Miguzi, but its success was still hampered due to the quality of the bad dub.
Also, Naruto got TONS of advertising out the wazoo, unlike One Piece. I remember watching CN during 2005-2007 and almost every other commercial break had a Naruto promo. Not so with 4kids OP, and especially not so with Funimation OP.
Case in point is, Funimation got One Piece too late, after the anime bubble burst here in the US in 2006 and people turned to piracy and downloading more than ever before.
I know that Stuart Synder of CN would have eventually canceled the show regardless of whomever dubbed the show due to his big, bold plan to fund a his mediocre live action shows, regardless.Bbut at least OP could of had a successful run from 2003/2004 to 2008 with a good dub, and would have the negative reputation it has over mainstream and causal anime viewers as it does today. Who knows, the show could have been moved to nicktoons in 2008 and been successful there to this very day…
I was talking about FUNi Piece too. They didn't change the timeslot. You said the timeslot it was in was bad, I was simply telling you that the timeslot it was in was actually good. And that the timeslot was not part of it's downfall. Nothing more, nothing less,
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The only reason I knew that One Piece existed was because it appeared on FOX those years ago…AND I LOVED IT!!! I only saw up to the end of the Kuro arc but I was really hooked to the show.
To many disbelief, I actually feel that 4kids did GOOD for One Piece. So many people in the states were acquainted with One Piece only via the 4kids dub. This caused huge disdain for the series. In the mean time Naruto was the "ish" anime. When I was in High school everyone would wear those obnoxious ninja village head bands and wrist bands. It was up to the point that the brand of Naruto was beginning to put a bad taste in the mouths of non anime viewers. To them Naruto and their fans were just some nerdy trend for "the socially inept ". One Piece was spared from this jarring, because it was never as popular in the first place. Now lets jump from 2004 to 2008 in till now.
2008 till now; the increase of anime online streaming. People didnt have to wait for new Naruto to appear on TV and could watch it online. At the same time these fans still carried the bad after taste of the 4kids One Piece and believed it to be a shitty series. As time goes on, people would begin to hear rumors that One Piece was actually really good.
"One Piece… that kiddy cartoon that use to play on Fox?"
To their pleasures, those that did decide to give it a try loved it (some have even loss interest in other series over it!) Due to its initial low popularity One Piece was like a hidden gem, free of band wagoners and pop trends. So in this context, 4kids has aided in the newly found love of One Piece (a once extremely hated show at face value... a regular ugly duckling tale)
Without 4kids One Piece's image may have been tarnished with over "bandwagonishness". The symbol of the Strawhat would have been a joke. 4Kids SAVED ONE PIECE!!!!!!
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Just because 4Kids helped other people get to know One Piece doesn't mean they did a good job with it. Period. And to say 4Kids saved One Piece is really pushing it. Yes, I understand what you are saying, and I admit the 4Kids dub was the first thing I saw, which inspired me to pick up the manga. But even with that, you can't say anything about the dub was actually good when it shitted all over it.
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Just because 4Kids helped other people get to know One Piece doesn't mean they did a good job with it. Period. And to say 4Kids saved One Piece is really pushing it. Yes, I understand what you are saying, and I admit the 4Kids dub was the first thing I saw, which inspired me to pick up the manga. But even with that, you can't say anything about the dub was actually good when it shitted all over it.
Well, Zoro and Chopper's 4kids VAs were good in my book. Marc from Berserk and Lisa from Slayers…just awesome! ^^ It was really the script, edits, and voice direction that overall killed it.
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Well, Zoro and Chopper's 4kids VAs were good in my book. Marc from Berserk and Lisa from Slayers…just awesome! ^^ It was really the script, edits, and voice direction that overall killed it.
I agree with you on that. I'm not blaming most (and I say most, with the exception of Usopp and Sanji in the 4Kids dub) of the voice actors at all. They are just doing their job and taking home a pay check. You already pointed out where the fault lies here.
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It would have taken me longer to find it, I actually saw it when I was very young, forgot about it for a few years and rediscoverd it around 19
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4Kids not dubbing it wouldn't make much of a difference in me being a fan. I never really watched it.
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If 4kids never got it it would be more popular in the states. Maybe even more popular than Naruto.
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If 4kids never dubbed One Piece, a lot of ex-hentai dub VAs would be out of a job.
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My only beef with their dub was the music and voice direction. I could've handle some of the changes (I can understand why they skipped Little Garden though yeah Apis and Laboon was no excuse). And 4Kids reasoning with Toei backseat directing took a little heat off of them, they're the parent company and OP is their baby so okay 4Kids was under some pressure. It was even stated that 4Kids didn't even want the property, it was forced on them in a package deal to get Shaman King (which in hindsight makes sense, remember Pokemon and Yugioh were shows with collectible appeal to them and I remember SK actually had decent marketing behind it).
But..there's was absolutely no reason why they couldn't have just paid to get the original music for the series. I never understood that, it would've saved them on money and fans would've been happy. Whenever I hear their score, it sounds like it trying so hard to be epic, but it never fits the scenes at all. Yes, this is a pirate show but it's not like traditional pirate stories, there's no need for it to try and emulate Pirates of the Caribbeans, if anything it just sucks the life out of a lot of scenes especially when it comes to fights. But nope apparently they had to put their music maker to work on something and have some money to burn. So…meh
And really as much as they can blame Toei for most of their troubles, there was really no excuse for those shoddy performances. It really feels like they don't care at all and the actors just seriously phone it in. No emotion, little to no range, just laughably offensive acting all around. I would blame most of the script though admittedly it actually has some funny ad-lib lines sometimes (especially in the early episodes).
I didn't care that some of the characters sported accents. Hell I even liked a few of them such as Wapol and even Shanks. And really it makes sense when you think about it. It's a series that takes place all over the world, course they're gonna run into a few nationalities. Not to say a few of them didn't feel sterotypical (the Western accent for Robin for one). No the matter is, when it comes to emotional scenes they just never hit the high note. Luffy never sounds angry enough when he gets into a fight, when someone shouts it barely feels above tone (a good example if you can find it, Vivi yelling for the soldiers to stop fighting in the Alabasta climax). It just feels subdued like they were afraid to even risk trying to attempt it. To me that really hurt the show in the long run. I've seen my fair share of some low grade dubs but they at least tried. 4Kids version sadly was not one of those.
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