This has to be one of the most bizarre threads i've read in a long while
If it's so difficult for you to understand, leave! I don't think I've made my point any more clearer than I've had when I started this thread. This is a real issue facing ALL anime fans of the 20th century. Either get with the fucking program or fuck off!
you have entered the twilight zone
You want to show contempt, eerie? Then you can join Wolfwood and fuck off too! I don't have time to be dealing with contemptuous 7-year-olds like yourself.
So to summarize the intent of this thread: "I deserve attention because I bought old stuff."
If there was a medium that you strongly believed in but had little to no chance of survival in the west and you were willing to fight tooth and nail to support it towards its success, wouldn't you want recognition when its success turns out to be accredited towards people who had nothing to do with the original fight but still believe that their efforts were the ONLY efforts that mattered? Let me answer that for you: Of COURSE you would. Why not? I'm honestly surprised that you're not getting it here.
This stuff doesn't matter.
No…it matters. Otherwise, the R1 anime industry would be dead. The Japanese would've deemed America to be an unmarketable region for anime and that's that. You can't compare anything else. It matters, Robby.
If you want to talk about how the community was different once upon a time, or the shared experiences older fans have, or even any random fan's experience when first discovering the genre, that is a topic that's kind of interesting.
-Being delighted by low quality bootlegs.
-Trusting an ad from a random stranger in a magazine ad that you write a check to and hope to get something back from.
-Getting vauge glimpses of Dragonball characters eventually having blonde hair and kids because you see a wallscroll ad in Electronic Gaming Monthly.
-Seeing Akira for the first time and it being THE thing.
-Being amazed that there were boobs in Vampire Hunter D.
-How superior Lupin III, Slayers, Ranma, Evangelion, Tenchi , Gundam Wing and Dragonball are to anything coming out now.
-Watching pokemon in raw japanese and finding out there are banned episodes.
-When you first saw anime sliding over to digital animation in say, Love Hina and being wowed by the sharpness of the line and the vibrancy of the color.
-Realizing that "Miyazaki" is probably a name you should actually be able to talk about and see the entire library of.
-Making a long trek to a far away theatre to seee one of the super rare screenings of Princess Mononoke instead of Toy Story 2!
-Going to anime cons ("back when they only had hundred of people, not thousands") when they were still sort of new and you could discover Trigun or Berserk, and a once a year jaunt to an anime con or chinatown were the only ways TO find a new discovery.
-Discovering wallscrolls instead of posters.
-Seeing cosplay for the first time.
-Discovering that there was an entire subgenre of something called "hentai".
-Being at an anime con and hearing somebody drive by while playing the Outlaw Star theme in their car and trying your damndest to recognize it from anime meetings, and ultimately deciding it must be the Crayon Shin Chan theme.
-When it took years instead of hours to get the latest shows, and only a handful would make it here.
-When Powerpuff Girls hit and was a total anime parody.
Do you realize that these were all tiny factors that helped grow the anime fandom bit by bit to help ensure that the industry as a whole could survive here in the west? You look at these things as just mere nostalgia, a real anime fan looks at these things as evolution towards future success of a medium.
That's all interesting. That's nostalgia and a batch of stories anyone into anime experiences. They're mutual shared experiences that everyone has, but also vary greatly. 8 years ago with Naruto, 15 years ago with Dragonball and Sailor Moon, or 25 years ago with Robotech and Starblazers, or even 30 or 40 years ago with Speed Racer and Kimba, can all share, an experience that you just can't get today in the digital age.
Again, all factors that helped grow the industry to what it is today. Without the support from dedicated fans, the medium would be dead in the water here.
If that's what you want to talk about, share stories of the old days, go ahead. There is a history and a unique experience there to be shared that to some degree, "kids today" won't ever get.
Kids today don't get a LOT of things, Robby. One of them being that they believe that THEY are the ones who made anime popular in the west just by watching cartoon fucking network and downloading illegal fansubs. These kids need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that the movement predates that. However, knowing them and their 4chan-esque tendencies, they won't get the message and the sad part is: the R1 industry would rather spoon feed their arrogance instead of clearing the air as to who really supported anime back during its "experimental phase." You and I BOTH know this.
You can have much the same argument about how kids today will never appreciate Nintendo and Super Nintendo games properly because they started with a Playstation.
Well, last I checked, the Nintendo Entertainment System saved the video game industry from total collapse in the 80's. Hell, you can argue that Sony and Microsoft wouldn't even have had their consoles on the market if a few Japanese dudes from Nintendo didn't make the effort to convince western electronic dealers that the Nintendo Entertainment System was a worthwhile investment. This is a piece of history that everyone ought to know, including kids. However, this is a separate topic and not relevant to the current discussion at hand. Next.
The fact that someone came to the hobby more recently, or is younger, or simply hasn't experienced a thing you personally really enjoyed, doesn't diminish the fact they get enjoyment out of it. The fact you came to it earlier and had a harder time getting access to it doesn't automatically make you a better fan.
That's beside the point! The people who had a "harder time getting access" were the ones who believed in the medium and were willing to work tooth and fucking nail to see it have more widespread success in the west. Carl Macek made a dent but not enough to convince mainstream companies that more titles are worth looking into. The fans had to make their voices heard in order for any distro company to give a damn enough to release more titles. Research ADV!
To just want credit, a random bit of recognition for having gone to those lengths to get more of what you enjoy? Back when it was a little harder by default and everyone went through that? (Especially when some went through that, and then contributed hugely to the community in more than just $.)
Again, without the contribution of the fandom, the industry would've folded in the west. Period. It is for that contribution that the fans need recognition. End. of. story.
That's stuff doesn't matter.
They get some money even if they don't satisfy anyone because there will always be people who will try the product. The satisfaction of most of those people is what allows them to make more money, so they try to keep the majority satisfied. But if going the extra mile into pleasing the client won't translate into more extra gains, they simply won't bother.
This is basically what I said earlier, so I don't think I missed any point.
Your original post was just too arbitrary. It leads one to believe that companies will make money regardless of whether the product is good or crap. Sure, companies can make an initial gain from customers who try the product but if they want to make long-term gains, then they need to ensure that their product is up to satisfaction so people will continue to buy said product. Otherwise, you're putting your company to a slow death.
In short, at least from the industry's point of view, its not about any kind of recognition at all. It never was.
Give me a fucking break! There had been no guarantees whatsoever for the medium to had been successful in the 80s and 90s. The subject matter being put out made the medium questionable as a whole. You're living in an alternate dimension if you think anime always had the good recognition that it had.
Supporting the creators do cross a large portion of my mind, but the majority of the motivation is fulfilling my materialistic desires.
I don't buy just because, I buy because I WANT.
As an anime fan, remember that support for the industry's success comes first. That's what the original intent is all along if the industry is to become mainstream. Don't forget that.
Robby laying down the truth and it is HEAVY.
Not the whole truth.
Things are different now. But what we did back then wasn't useless.
Then why aren't we recognized for it?
In fact, we should be proud that we helped
anime reach the sort of audience it does now.
Nobody is disputing that. The dispute here is in regards to today's audience taking credit for today's popularity of the medium when it's clearly not the case here. These are the same people who would rather be cheap and cry to the industry than accept what's being given to them thanks to all the hoops the R1 industry had to jump through.
I was the president of my highschool's
anime club, and we experienced the fandom just as the wave of anime was really breaking on our shores.
We raised money to go to conventions! We had viewing parties. We pooled our resources to try shows old and new.
That was great! It was great! _We were great. We had good times.
Sounds like you did too, Kabba._
Then you should understand why it's important for the industry to recognize our efforts to help make it what it is today! _> But the times they are a changin'.
Some for the better, but mostly for the worse.
I take pride that I was there when it first got started,
But I paid for that pride in overpriced DVDs, "bucolic nonentities", and chinatown VHSes with subtitles typed by drunken monkeys.
And thank GOD I don't have to do that crap anymore: put down $30+ bucks on two episodes and wait months and months for the next disc?
I wouldn't wish it on kids today. We have got it so much better now.
That's the biggest bunch of bullshit I ever heard in my life. The industry is going into the red because we have it so much better now! No convenience is worth R1 companies from having to accumulate debt for massive overhead in relation to production, licensing, and promotions! Anime was expensive for a reason! You got your tapes and discs in the end. That's ultimately what matters, Silence! If you can't understand this, you have no business watching anime!
Our labors have borne fruit. Go out and enjoy them for chrissake._
I enjoy anime. I DON'T enjoy the anime fandom nor the current industry that takes the medium for granted.