lol sparky
How about actually addressing my points, instead of accusing me of getting riled up about it (because I said "what the fuck"?)
I already addressed your points, you are free to interpret that line however you like.
Chapter 664: Master Caesar Clown
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will we see a Smoke VS Gas battle ?
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He looks to me like a fawn with a bit of kabuki influence in the features wearing a gaseous labcoat/toga.
Yeah, I can see a bit of a kabuki facial expression on him and the fawn horns on his head. Though I believe that Oda could based Caesar's design from a japanese ghost/yokai. It's interesting to see that almost all the new characters of Punk Hazard are based on japanese folklore (Samurai with mythical Tanuki/Kitsune like power? and Caesar) and greek mythology (Centaurs, Harpy Mone)
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Monet looks very calm and collected, she smiles seeing their bounties so she must be tough and not easily threatened.
Wild assumptions here but I'm assuming she has a kick ass devil fruit power and THEN was morphed with an animal side.
We will definitely see what she can do in a battle with one of the SH's, Damn break next week
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How the hell do you actually make a dragon any how?
Is the dragon originally a man? Did they cross-breed a dinosaur and a guard dog? Did they make a chemical instamix, add water to make dragon?
DNA extracted from a mosquito embedded in amber fossils. :ninja:
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Holy plot advancement! So much was illuminated this chapter, far more than I was even expecting from the spoilers. I guess the one disappointment I have with 664 was that I feel Oda really missed an opportunity to really ham up the masks Ussop made, but that's a minor quibble.
Can see where Brownbeard's indoctrination by Ceasar really plants Vegapunk as the bad guy, a concept that the Strawhats might take with them off the island.
So, the big fight starts in 665 I would imagine…. a good spot in the story for a goldenweek break I guess
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I already addressed your points, you are free to interpret that line however you like.
No you didn't. You are hung up on this line "having room for interpretation" which is just wrong.
"…but with his ability, he gave us new legs." There is absolutely nothing ambiguous about this line.
Also, you didn't really address my point like anyone would who wants to have a serious conversation. How about deconstructing my sentence and picking apart all my arguments with empirical evidence instead of kicking back and being all like "Lol, u interpreting line wrong."
Ares addressed my point. He actually saw that I forgot Law was a doctor and said it, giving me a whole new perspective. That is what addressing someones point is. Stop being lazy and argue for real. -
Does anyone know where I can get that color page without the watermark?
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No you didn't. You are hung up on this line "having room for interpretation" which is just wrong.
"…but with his ability, he gave us new legs." There is absolutely nothing ambiguous about this line.
Also, you didn't really address my point like anyone would who wants to have a serious conversation. How about deconstructing my sentence and picking apart all my arguments with empirical evidence instead of kicking back and being all like "Lol, u interpreting line wrong."
Ares addressed my point. He actually saw that I forgot Law was a doctor and said it, giving me a whole new perspective. That is what addressing someones point is. Stop being lazy and argue for real.You want me to argue with for the sake of arguing, over a translation of short line that leaves plenty of room for interpretation?
I'll reiterate my point, it doesn't say anything about how it was done, which of Law's abilities (medical or devil fruit) was used, and whether it involved assistance from Ceaser.
You think it doesn't? That's fine, but I'm not going to argue over it, I've done plenty of arguing over the net and it's a waste of time that could be better spent. -
Btw, I have yet to see anyone answer my question, was Caesar getting permission a mistranslation?
Pretty big implications there but nobody seems to care.Drawing is fun
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It seems Monet is very farsighted: she can see fine at large distances but needs coke-bottle glasses to do things close to her face. That's a very interesting quirk…and she seems to be some sort of secretary of sorts? I wonder what she is writing up...?
Also, is it Caesar CLOWN or CROWN? I mean, we already have a Buggy the Clown, do we need another "Clown"? -
@Hyperkinetic:
Can see where Brownbeard's indoctrination by Ceasar really plants Vegapunk as the bad guy
First he poisons everybody, then he makes 'em thank him for saving them.
Got to hand it to the clown, he knows how to run a PR departement.
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I really like this chapter. Ceaser Clown looks truly insane, his gas-gas fruit is really cool. Can't wait for the next chapter.
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Btw, I have yet to see anyone answer my question, was Caesar getting permission a mistranslation?
Pretty big implications there but nobody seems to care.According to C3's translation the permission part is translated correctly. Speaking of implication- the only one I can see is that Caesar is allowed to kill people on 'his' island because Joker will make it look like some accident/tragedy. Looks like their little business is doing well.
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How the hell do you actually make a dragon any how?
Is the dragon originally a man? Did they cross-breed a dinosaur and a guard dog? Did they make a chemical instamix, add water to make dragon?
Sugar, spice and everything nice. Some widely known formula but interpretated in unique vegapunkish way.
Or fun practical paleontology.
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so nobody translated this??
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will we see a Smoke VS Gas battle ?
I guess if such battle happens, it'll be Smoker + Tashigi vs CC, because Smoker can't use his DF in Tashigi's body.
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According to C3's translation the permission part is translated correctly. Speaking of implication- the only one I can see is that Caesar is allowed to kill people on 'his' island because Joker will make it look like some accident/tragedy. Looks like their little business is doing well.
Ah, so the children were indeed kidnapped under the pretense of them being "sick" for experiments, and he really does get permission.
I suppose it could either mean there is someone he answers to running the show, or he as equal partnership with the Joker character. So there is still someone there we haven't even seen yet. -
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Monet is way too awesome. I love everything about her.
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Smoker's lines give me hope that he ends the arc like a badass and somewhat makes up for his loss to Law.
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Kid / Law / X Drake. These were mentioned first out of the worst generation rookies. I'm sure Oda has a lot in store for Drake, maybe the right hand of Kaido?
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Gas Gas fruit. The only thing I didn't like about the chapter. But let's see what Oda does with it. Poison and gas was Magellan's business, and he demonstrated his venom in all possible forms, including gas.
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Isn't Monet one of the prisoners? If so, she got the same treatment. Besides she hasn't turned her wings back into arms to read the books so it's not a fruit. Man, Caesar looks like Kabutorochimaru and Kid fused together.
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You want me to argue with for the sake of arguing, over a translation of short line that leaves plenty of room for interpretation?
I'll reiterate my point, it doesn't say anything about how it was done, which of Law's abilities (medical or devil fruit) was used, and whether it involved assistance from Ceaser.
You think it doesn't? That's fine, but I'm not going to argue over it, I've done plenty of arguing over the net and it's a waste of time that could be better spent.Alright, that's an answer I can accept.
Honestly, this is the last from me, but ask yourself this: Why would Brownbeard not just say it was Law and CC who patched him up? We know CC gave them…balloons to move around before law did the centaur thing. Usually, the reason to keep things like that for yourself if CC somehow being involved in the process could expose his powers. Maybe you know HxH, where every character tries his best to hide his abilites, but that isn't even necessary here. They know he is a scientist, it's a known fact, he could just have said "oh yeah, it was law and the good ol' doc who turned me into this."
Unless there is some huge twist in the whole centaur thing, which seems very unlikely, because they are not important themselves, I think it was odas clear intention for us to reach the same conclusion like Ares did: Law used his DF and medicinal skill. -
I wonder if luffy encounter with Magellan and him gaining immunity to poison will help him with this guy.. i mean is he immune to gas poison also? is his haki will enable him to grab CC while in Gas state?
there must be a twist added to the fight or the master is going down.. maybe he will complete his "weapon" and use it against SH?
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Could "Joker" be Doflamingo?
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I wonder if luffy encounter with Magellan and him gaining immunity to poison will help him with this guy.. i mean is he immune to gas poison also? is his haki will enable him to grab CC while in Gas state?
there must be a twist added to the fight or the master is going down.. maybe he will complete his "weapon" and use it against SH?
I have a feeling CC won't be poison gas per se, more nerve gas. Being immune to poison =/= being immune to nerve gas. I also have a feeling CC will be able to make people hallucinate; maybe–just maybe--make Luffy "hallucinate" about Ace?
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Not all gases are poisonous, though. We have sleeping gas, laughing gas, nerve gas, flammable gas, helium gas, etc. There's plenty of ways to make CC's DF different from Magellan's.
@The:
Could "Joker" be Doflamingo?
Unless he somehow has direct access to Marine reports, I doubt it. It's heavily hinted that this traitor is from the Marines themselves or else there would be no point in Smoker doing that "humans are corrupt" speech.
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Not all gases are poisonous, though. We have sleeping gas, laughing gas, nerve gas, flammable gas, helium gas, etc. There's plenty of ways to make CC's DF different from Magellan's.
Unless he somehow has direct access to Marine reports, I doubt it. It's heavily hinted that this traitor is from the Marines themselves or else there would be no point in Smoker doing that "humans are corrupt" speech.
Doflamingo is an extremely shady and an extremely mysterious character, right up there with Dragon. Nothing–at this point--would surprise me with Doflamingo.
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The joker guy better be someone we already knew, or else itu wouldn't be interesting at all. About the mass murder weapon, there's someone back then who guessed that the next AW will be a biological weapon, now the theory seems more plausible.
Anyway, am I the only one who think smoker's body with tashigis's personality looks like Iceburg?
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@The:
Doflamingo is an extremely shady and an extremely mysterious character, right up there with Dragon. Nothing–at this point--would surprise me with Doflamingo.
That doesn't mean that Doflamingo has to be behind everything.
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That doesn't mean that Doflamingo has to be behind everything.
But that doesn't mean he can't be (behind…stuff such as this) either.
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@The:
Could "Joker" be Doflamingo?
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I have a feeling CC won't be poison gas per se, more nerve gas. Being immune to poison =/= being immune to nerve gas. I also have a feeling CC will be able to make people hallucinate; maybe–just maybe--make Luffy "hallucinate" about Ace?
I actually like this idea, could give the crew a chance to see what happened 2 years ago and see the extent of his suffering.
Dun. Dun. Dunnnn
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Golden week again already? Jeez, time flies.
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@The:
But that doesn't mean he can't be (behind…stuff such as this) either.
But, like I said, the chances of him being behind all of this is unlikely. This chapter hints that Joker is part of the Marines.
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What a cool chapter.
The colorspread is manliness on top of more MANLINESS!
Since Kid and Hawkins' names were mentioned, I guess we'll be seeing them very soon.
Caesar reminds me of one of those long-haired rockstar types.
But, the way he incinerated (I think) that poor centaur guy was just so brutal and heartless. -
Okay chapter i suppose got a bit confused at times with all the info thrown at me and Caesar Clown's character disign is meh.
But this ark is kinda starting to look like H.G Wells "'Island of DR Moreau i like it another something Kisamoto and Kubo would never do.
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like i predicted Luffy immunity from poison will probably a good point against gas!
@Fuwa:
I actually like this idea, could give the crew a chance to see what happened 2 years ago and see the extent of his suffering.
i don't think it can be happening!
the gas indeed can make people hallucinate but that means you die, if luffy goes to that extent he would,also about that gas who touch nerves luffy can have probably a immunity, he is a rubberman after all there is a ways that what he suffer from magellan helped his body to go through this and alos don't forget he have been exposed to Ivankov hormones, that is something he kept probably inside him as well!of course i see some difficulties in their fight actually, but again i wanna believe that Luffy can be immunitate against Ceasar power!
also do not forget the haki, this can't disable fruit power!
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We already knew the World Government had its own agents, we saw them at Enies Lobby, but does this chapter hint that the World Government has its own Army comparable to the Marines? Smoker's men call themselves "army rejects", but I could just be reading too far into one background character's comment.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c664/3.html
Also no mention of Bonney, Urouge, Bege and Apoo causing any trouble in the New World. All of them were either headed for a situation they weren't prepared for or outright defeated in Bonney's case.
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like i predicted Luffy immunity from poison will probably a good point against gas!
i don't think it can be happening!
the gas indeed can make people hallucinate but that means you die, if luffy goes to that extent he would,also about that gas who touch nerves luffy can have probably a immunity, he is a rubberman after all there is a ways that what he suffer from magellan helped his body to go through this and alos don't forget he have been exposed to Ivankov hormones, that is something he kept probably inside him as well!of course i see some difficulties in their fight actually, but again i wanna believe that Luffy can be immunitate against Ceasar power!
also do not forget the haki, this can't disable fruit power!
Again… I'm pretty sure CC ISN'T poison gas, he's nerve/hallucination-ability gas. If you're immune to (certain) poison that DOES NOT make you immune to nerve/hallucination-ability gas. I don't think Oda make CC straight up poison gas since Luffy is immune to (certain) poison now; all gas ISN'T poison.
If CC is straight up poison gas, he's very close to Mag, which would be unoriginal and make me somewhat disappointed in Oda.
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@Robo:
We already knew the World Government had its own agents, we saw them at Enies Lobby, but does this chapter hint that the World Government has its own Army comparable to the Marines? Smoker's men call themselves "army rejects", but I could just be reading too far into one background character's comment.
Aren't they "army rejects" because they are too rowdy for Marine standards?
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like i predicted Luffy immunity from poison will probably a good point against gas!
i don't think it can be happening!
the gas indeed can make people hallucinate but that means you die, if luffy goes to that extent he would,also about that gas who touch nerves luffy can have probably a immunity, he is a rubberman after all there is a ways that what he suffer from magellan helped his body to go through this and alos don't forget he have been exposed to Ivankov hormones, that is something he kept probably inside him as well!of course i see some difficulties in their fight actually, but again i wanna believe that Luffy can be immunitate against Ceasar power!
also do not forget the haki, this can't disable fruit power!
Magellan only had posion gas, nothing hallucinogenic, so the likelihood of Luffy being immune to hallucinogenics seems pretty low, and Chopper only knew that Luffy was immune to poison, he didn't say anything about other kinds of gas or toxins. Luffy being completely immune and owning Ceaser would be too predictable, it'd be nice to see Luffy having difficulty against an opponent as this is the New World as that part of the world is known to have fearsome opponents.
Edit: The Laughing Man beat me to it…
Dun. Dun. Dunnnn
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It seems Monet is very farsighted: she can see fine at large distances but needs coke-bottle glasses to do things close to her face. That's a very interesting quirk…and she seems to be some sort of secretary of sorts? I wonder what she is writing up...?
Also, is it Caesar CLOWN or CROWN? I mean, we already have a Buggy the Clown, do we need another "Clown"?Caesar Clown it is.
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Meh, not much to say about this chapter except for two things. The first being that seeing Smokashi with her shirt open is pretty hot and the second being that like most of everyone else here, I also think that CC really does look like a freaking naruto character. Other then that, it was an average chapter. I hope the next one is better.
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@The:
Again… I'm pretty sure CC ISN'T poison gas, he's nerve/hallucination-ability gas. If you're immune to (certain) poison that DOES NOT make you immune to nerve/hallucination-ability gas. I don't think Oda make CC straight up poison gas since Luffy is immune to (certain) poison now; all gas ISN'T poison.
If CC is straight up poison gas, he's very close to Mag, which would be unoriginal and make me somewhat disappointed in Oda.
I still think that Luffy can be able to handle it, and this hallucination gas is not the name of the gas i would rather say that this gas is attacking the nerves which make people hallucinate,vomit and attack the inner system and so they died on the inside.hallucination is just another symptom between thousand of them!
i don't think that making luffy immune to poison and may be gas will be disappointing, after all i don't see the point of the story if luffy didn't have something special!
it's like @ thriller bark only luffy would have been able to get thousands shadows to fight oars because he is a rubberman.
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Aw yeah, champion like a boss.
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Cool chapter, less exciting than last one but it gives us some new information which is good too. there are also some pretty dark elements, like the whole prisoners-as-guineapigs thing or the poor centaur who's left suffocating.
Me too thinks Clown's design is a bit strange… One Piece characters aren't normal at all usually, but this Master just doesn't look like a typical OP character. I've got the same impression as others here, that is, he looks like a Naruto character! I guess I'll get used to it somehow.
this Gas Gas Fruit also bothers me a little, but I suppose Oda must have though about it and made it somehow different from Magellan's fruit. as someone on this topic said, it doesn't necessarily have to be a poisonous gas...at least I hope that's not the case. if it was some kind of poison it would a bit disappointing for me, not just 'cause Luffy would be immune, also because it would be too similar to Magellan's fruit...and knowing Oda's creativity it would be a wasteHowever have we got other info about this New World Times (or what's its name)? I'd like to know if they actually say Blackbeard may have gotten new abilities or they just mean he's stronger/more powerful
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ODAAAAAAA
Dun. Dun. Dunnnn
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Hehe, cool chapter - lots of background info and a great Smoshigi
The dragon being man-made was the best thing about it. The guy literarly made a dragon for the heck of it.
Brought the vegapunk stock waaaaay up for me.
Well, there´s that and then I hope a real Dragon is a bit more powerful
@Mark:
so nobody translated this??
I´d like to know that as well and it would be much appreciated, seeing as there are lots of useful information there…
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@Fuwa:
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z225/Fuwa_Kitty/ceaser.png
ODAAAAAAA
So… are we getting a Batman?
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Dun. Dun. Dunnnn
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This might sound like a stupid question, but why Tashigi doesn't wear a bra?
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