Not that I have any doubts, but I hope this arc is closed nicely first. Unless some crazy plot twist happens. Damn, there were several things that I wanted to see I in this arc still. That Light Tree Eve, Jinbe's dojo, Hachi, Den, Shyarley, and just among other things. This is probably was the only arc where the characters did not feel as fleshed out as the rest. That could be remedied if there was a part 2 of this arc. But, who cares, it was a good one anyway.
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Chapter 652: "Grim Prospects Ahead" -Discussion
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Well, maybe the duel with Big Mom is going to be a think that will last a LOT. like, they are enemies…but so were the crew with Smoker...and they only faced each other at Arabasta. Who knows if it's the same here?
About Jinbe, he probably won't travel with the rest of the crew...we'll be Luffy's guard at FI. That's my bet.
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Ok I have read all of this and perhaps I have missed the part where it is logical, that he would still give the treasure to Big Mom after she says she wont trade it for candy and he in response also says he'll kick her but.
Also another thing I just remembered. Now I am really confused what Pekoms actually is. Because before I thought that him being a Lion Zoan would explain things, but now…
The only logical one is that there is actually an entire "new" species of beings in OP where animals can talk and so on. Which really puts Chopper into "shame" I mean the guy is a reindeer he gets a human human DF and is as a result able to be intelligent and all....but now we may be finding out there are actually talking reindeers anyway...?
What brennen says is another good notion. This chapter in general really messes me up and kind of twists and changes my perceptions and knowledge about certain things regarding OP
I agree with you here. Just didn't think of it as that big of a deal.
Its pretty stupid that they gave away the treasure, but maybe the agreement was "the treasure and we turn our attention into you". That obviously was not stated by Big Mom, but Pekoms could have said something like that once they were leaving. It would be better shown, tough. Still pretty minor stuff, even if annoying.I believe those animals are all work of wicked science. They were called monsters by Baron Tamago and, as you said it, another race would be anti-climatic. That and if it is a race, it should have its name on the auction house papper.
I mean, this whole plot screams wicked science to me. That was kind of the plot of Thriller Bark, but there are plenty ways to improve it. Its special enough if they're not Zombies, I mean.Something that perhaps we are taking as granted and isn't that true is Pekkoms being an low tier member.
He certainly isn't the main fighter. But he also isn't the lowly recruit.
I say this based in the fact that Big Mom's piracy is basically collecting candy from islands. He has no real interest in money, so its not that umplausible that her main fighters would be collecting the precious candy.And this is the beginning of an arc, and also the beginning of the second part of this manga. It makes some sense that some of our believes would be twisted.
I'm prolly reading a bit to much into it, but this chapter gives some light to how things work in the new World.
The 4 younkou's are not just 4 pirate crews who have some territory, they're nearly the only independent crews.
Even Jinbei had to unite with Big Mom in order to survive the New World. And I think almost every single crew in the New World is tyed down to a Yonkou.
That would mean it his kind of a cold war ambient, with no actual fights, but yet a thrilling peace.
Disrupting that are the marines and the few independent crews, like Kidd's.
Its a cool theme, mainly because of the possibilities.
Imagine there is a bad crew with Shanks flag, it would be a fun reaction.
Of course Shanks does not seem the type to have allied crews, but who knows? If a crew pledged loyalty and he found them fun he would give them the flag.
Then from our flashback of White Beard and Ace we do know that the Younkou's are always beating down the independent crews. Ace even did that to one crew all by himself.This is interesting mainly because it is a good way to show how the two year skip was useful. If the Super Nova's were just as strong as Luffy it would seem like Luffy lost 2 years in vain. However if they lost their freedom in order to survive its another thing. So I think all of the Super Nova's lost something due to their eagerness to join the new world. Crew Members and shit like that.
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Well, maybe the duel with Big Mom is going to be a think that will last a LOT. like, they are enemies…but so were the crew with Smoker...and they only faced each other at Arabasta. Who knows if it's the same here?
About Jinbe, he probably won't travel with the rest of the crew...we'll be Luffy's guard at FI. That's my bet.
If you put money on that bet, you'd be losing money. He's already said that he'll join. Why wouldn't he travel with HIS new crew?
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Well, maybe the duel with Big Mom is going to be a think that will last a LOT. like, they are enemies…but so were the crew with Smoker...and they only faced each other at Arabasta. Who knows if it's the same here?
About Jinbe, he probably won't travel with the rest of the crew...we'll be Luffy's guard at FI. That's my bet.
That's a fools bet. In this very chapter Jinbe said he would protect the island, but because he is wanted he can't.
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I would hate it if Smoker acts to SHs (mostly Luffy) like they were the same garbage he's been dealing with in New World.
He knows what they have done in Alabasta and what kind of persons they are. Now that he's heard about them stopping a rebellion in a peaceful country I don't want him to act to them like they are a bunch of ruthless killers.
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Vice Admiral Smoker. Hidden bombs. Jinbei working under Big Mom hohoho when Jinbei leaves and that bomb goes off Big Mom will be even more furious with the Strawhats and she won't even get any candy what a darn shame. Tashigi doesn't look that different and if you ask me the G-5 marines look like old prisoners or captured pirates and this is one of the most exciting and hillarious chapters i've read yet. I'm hype for the NewWorld. Also it is funny how Smoker was just waiting for the strrawhats, probably for that entire month and now it's finally time for the chase. I mean i don't want to see Smoker get owned just yet he's just too cool for such nonsense
Will someone tell me how to make a signature already? UGH!
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Since Pekomz is Charlotte's representative, and he is wanted as well, I can't really spot a problem in Jinbei being Luffy's counterpart in that.
…well, actually...it sounds silly, indeed. After all, if being with Big Mom didn't allow Jinbei to protect the Island, why being with Luffy would change it, right?
Money was spent -_-
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Vice Admiral Smoker. Hidden bombs. Jinbei working under Big Mom hohoho when Jinbei leaves and that bomb goes off Big Mom will be even more furious with the Strawhats and she won't even get any candy what a darn shame. Tashigi doesn't look that different and if you ask me the G-5 marines look like old prisoners or captured pirates and this is one of the most exciting and hillarious chapters i've read yet. I'm hype for the NewWorld. Also it is funny how Smoker was just waiting for the strrawhats, probably for that entire month and now it's finally time for the chase. I mean i don't want to see Smoker get owned just yet he's just too cool for such nonsense
Smoker would have only learned of the Straw Hat's today in manga time. So if he's waiting for the Straw Hat's he's only been waiting less than a day.
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I think the difference is that because Pekoms is part of an emperors crew there is nothing the marines can really do about it. But since Jinbe was so heavily involved with the Royal Army and the WG it's self as an ally who turned his back against them, there is no way they would allow that traitor to protect the island without risking FI's involvement with the WG and the reverie. -
A thought just came into my head. Jimbe is loyal to too many people. He's worked under whitebeard and Big mom at the same time and his old true captain was fisher tiger and now he wants to switch to luffy. It's also good to know that most people in the crew could probably beat Pekoms and I knew that Oda would show us some of his power when Caribou went to attack with his numa numa song i mean awesome gattling gun and fail scythe.
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One thing wasn't brought up yet, I think…
Do I get this right that King Neptune just invited 70.000 fishmen from the fishmen district to his army? The very 70.000 who have tried to overthrow the kingdom...like... 3 chapters ago?
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One thing wasn't brought up yet, I think…
Do I get this right that King Neptune just invited 70.000 fishmen from the fishmen district to his army? The very 70.000 who have tried to overthrow the kingdom...like... 3 chapters ago?
Like Wagomu said, it was discussed right after the battle, they have to do community service.
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Chimney is cute, as expected… I'm hoping that Kokoro is at least supervising her though.
Nice to finally see a proper explanation as to the whereabouts of Jinbe's Fishman Pirates, as well as the nature of the 'duty' he has to complete before he can join the Strawhats. It also gives them a solid role in the upcoming conflict with Big Mam/Mom, which is good since it allows them to be relevant beyond the confines of Fishman Island. Also, it gives another chance for an Adult Koala to show up, which I definitely hope to see.
Speaking of the coming conflict with Charlotte Linlin, the explosives hidden in the Tamatebako will certainly go a long way towards setting off the war. It's also nice to see that Hody's raiding of the treasury in the past did not go wholly unanswered.
Nice to see Nami's back to beating Luffy (and Zoro and Sanji) for giving away all the treasure. And using her Clima-tact to do so... XD
I'm starting to feel sorry for Caribou, getting so thoroughly trashed every time he tries to do anything. But I agree with Pekoms... A Logia-type who thinks he's invincible won't live long in the New World. Hopefully he'll take that advice to heart and live to become a recurring character, because I'd like to see him again in the future...especially since he holds the secret of Shirahoshi's power and seems to have a patron he wants to curry favor with.
Speaking of Pekoms: Lion-man with a Turtle/Tortoise-Zoan... Interesting premise, but I'll save my judgement until we can really see him in action.
I like the new long-haired Captain Tashigi. She still looks and acts enough like her old self that she's recognizable, but she seems far stronger than she did back in Alabasta and for that I am greatly pleased. I also really like her usage of a Hawkeye-style projectile-redirection technique... If anyone other than Mihawk deserves to give Zoro a hard fight, it's Tashigi.
As for Smoker, I love that he's made Vice Admiral, since to me that cements his place as the "Garp" to Luffy's "Roger". Hopefully, he'll become a frequent presence in the future. Also, I love the shades.
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Smoker would have only learned of the Straw Hat's today in manga time. So if he's waiting for the Straw Hat's he's only been waiting less than a day.
It's actually not very clear how much time has passed since the SHs left Sabaody and descended to FI. However, it's feasible to believe that this is why Smoker got confirmation that the SHs were reunited and sailing again and he just has to wait for them to surface. However, I'm sure Smoker expected Luffy to show up again at some point and purposely requested the G-5 post to get stronger and wait for the SHs to cross his path again.
A thought just came into my head. Jimbe is loyal to too many people. He's worked under whitebeard and Big mom at the same time and his old true captain was fisher tiger and now he wants to switch to luffy. It's also good to know that most people in the crew could probably beat Pekoms and I knew that Oda would show us some of his power when Caribou went to attack with his numa numa song i mean awesome gattling gun and fail scythe.
Jinbe was loyal to WB, and after WB's death, became loyal to Big Mom. So now he's decided he'll switch to Straw Hat. Don't really see any issues with his loyalty…
Btw, most of the people in who's crew could beat Pekoms? Seems like a lot of assumptions here.
WARNING (Explicit Dialog)!!
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To everyone who did not get Jinbei's reasoning:
Jinbei is wanted.
He can't stay in Fishman Island to protect it cause then he would get caught.
So they asked for Big Mam's help. She is wanted too, but we know it works different with younkou's and there was a whole arc explaining why.
And Jinbei's crew turned into her "ally".
Now Linlin is already pretty pissed off on Fishman Island, and to back it up Luffy waged war on her. Jinbei is also tired of serving under her and wants to join the strawhats, however is union with her is made by words, and tearing it may have unforseen consequences, that's the duty Jimbei had.
With Linlin's attention out of Fishman Island, and she targetting Luffy, Jinbei can join the Straw Hats and go to the New World with them so as to help them out with this situation. This might get Big Mom angry, but it is as the King said, now they have 70,000 soldiers. And there is a flag they can put up whenever they loose Big Mom's. And Jinbei is taking too much responsabilities to himself, he has to let go and have fun with the straw hats, without worrying.I'm interested to see his interections with his crew, tough. Its weird that he would live them like this, even tough it comes down to Franky Family's case.
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I agree with you here. Just didn't think of it as that big of a deal.
Its pretty stupid that they gave away the treasure, but maybe the agreement was "the treasure and we turn our attention into you". That obviously was not stated by Big Mom, but Pekoms could have said something like that once they were leaving. It would be better shown, tough. Still pretty minor stuff, even if annoying.I believe those animals are all work of wicked science. They were called monsters by Baron Tamago and, as you said it, another race would be anti-climatic. That and if it is a race, it should have its name on the auction house papper.
I mean, this whole plot screams wicked science to me. That was kind of the plot of Thriller Bark, but there are plenty ways to improve it. Its special enough if they're not Zombies, I mean.Something that perhaps we are taking as granted and isn't that true is Pekkoms being an low tier member.
He certainly isn't the main fighter. But he also isn't the lowly recruit.
I say this based in the fact that Big Mom's piracy is basically collecting candy from islands. He has no real interest in money, so its not that umplausible that her main fighters would be collecting the precious candy.And this is the beginning of an arc, and also the beginning of the second part of this manga. It makes some sense that some of our believes would be twisted.
I'm prolly reading a bit to much into it, but this chapter gives some light to how things work in the new World.
The 4 younkou's are not just 4 pirate crews who have some territory, they're nearly the only independent crews.
Even Jinbei had to unite with Big Mom in order to survive the New World. And I think almost every single crew in the New World is tyed down to a Yonkou.
That would mean it his kind of a cold war ambient, with no actual fights, but yet a thrilling peace.
Disrupting that are the marines and the few independent crews, like Kidd's.
Its a cool theme, mainly because of the possibilities.
Imagine there is a bad crew with Shanks flag, it would be a fun reaction.
Of course Shanks does not seem the type to have allied crews, but who knows? If a crew pledged loyalty and he found them fun he would give them the flag.
Then from our flashback of White Beard and Ace we do know that the Younkou's are always beating down the independent crews. Ace even did that to one crew all by himself.This is interesting mainly because it is a good way to show how the two year skip was useful. If the Super Nova's were just as strong as Luffy it would seem like Luffy lost 2 years in vain. However if they lost their freedom in order to survive its another thing. So I think all of the Super Nova's lost something due to their eagerness to join the new world. Crew Members and shit like that.
That got me thinking, do you think some of the supernovas might ally themselves with the straw hats like Jinbei is with Big Mom? I think it would be interesting, and it'll help Luffy into becoming a Yonkou, even if he has no interest in being one.
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SMOKER!!
That is all.
This is turning out exactly like the Loguetown arc, finishing with Smoker's face. That was just before the Grandline too.
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Pekoms and Bepo are most likely the same race, either Minkmen, or somewhat decendant of Zoan parents (even though I don't think that Oda will go that way, giving some hereditary properties to devil fruit)
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I enjoyed the chapter a lot, really good. Chimney on the cover was really adorable. Just so adorable I want to hug her xD
I was not very surprised that Jinbe and the Sun Pirates were part of Big Mom's crew, as that explained why Big Mom led her flag to FI. Look like we might get to meet the Sun Pirates as I got this feeling they'll play a part in Luffy and Big Mom's fight.
Speaking of which…. The fact that Luffy gave Pekoms and that long-legged guy (I forgot his name) all of the treasures, AND the box that hold the bombs was hilarious. I can't wait to find out Big Mom's reaction to the bombs. More reasons to fight Luffy even if Luffy didn't knew about it. Nami beating up Luffy, Zoro and Sanji was funny, still the same greedy witch.
I was surprised to find out that Smoker was made a Vice Admiral. A Marine doctor said that to become a Vice Admiral or higher, you need to have Haki and Rayleigh also said that for most people, it takes years for them to use Haki. So that means Smoker had been training insanely hard to wake his Haki or what? Either way, it's starting to see as if Smoker is going to be similar to what Garp was to Roger for Luffy. Tashigi had been improving a lot from what I can see, heck, she used a similar technique to redirect the cannonballs to Mihawk. I hope she'll meet Zoro again in the New World, and this time, give Zoro a hard fight.
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It's actually not very clear how much time has passed since the SHs left Sabaody and descended to FI. However, it's feasible to believe that this is why Smoker got confirmation that the SHs were reunited and sailing again and he just has to wait for them to surface. However, I'm sure Smoker expected Luffy to show up again at some point and purposely requested the G-5 post to get stronger and wait for the SHs to cross his path again.
Actually without the sun setting I have to believe it has been less than a day. No way they were unconscious for more than a few hours from the landing as well. Today is still the day they set sail, Sentomaru sent the message right away, and Smoker has just been there waiting patiently. Less than a day for sure, no sleeping, resting or anything of the sort.
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Yay, Smoker and Tashigi are back. Hopefully there's a short arc after the Strawhats leave Fishman Island where they run into them. I want to see Zoro's reaction to Tashigi, and maybe Zoro's reaction to Sanji's reaction to Tashigi
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…yeah, you guys make sense. Hope Alladin will be new comander of the Sun Pirates, then.
And, hey, logically thinking, all the 10,000 meters from FI to the other side of the Red Line is an easy way, since lots of the pirates weak enough to get caught by Hody made it. That means more time for Mugiwara interaction! Like, Robin spent two years with Dragon's army and WON'T say anything to Luffy? really? Jinbei could show a preview of how things go on in the Paradise, and much more could happen.
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Chimney looked pretty cute in the conductor's uniform.
So Oda's given us more interesting stuff here…..well, at least we know how Big Mam got to protect Fishman Island, as well as the Sun Pirates' affliation with Big Mam. The Tatemabako (sp?) will surely add fuel to the fire with the whole Luffy vs Big Mam situation (lol he gave all the treasure anyway?)
I was not expecting Pekoms to have a turtle zoan (and so high of a bounty), but I have to admire the lion-turtle combo. (Once again Caribou has gotten his ass kicked)
Chapter had nice humor thrown in, what with Nami beating up Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji, Usopp face-vaulting like four times (and correcting Shirahoshi), and a beat-up Luffy deciding to go to the New World. Really great we get to see Smoker and Tashigi after two years, too.
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I kept feeling unsure about the presence of the Sun Pirates but this explains where they've been this whole time. Decent explanation. I look forward to seeing more of Big Mom and her crew, though it looks like things are going to move to Smoker and Tashigi for a bit. Still fingers crossed for Jinbe to join the SHs by the time they leave. That will give us the 10 crew mates and a well rounded team.
With Smoker as a VA, who are the two new Admirals?
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Loved the chapter. Pekoms is not fodder, and the same will hold true for Dr. eggman. I also noticed that molokidan translated the chapter.
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Jinbe's joining is almost confirmed now, but I still have some doubts.
So far, all members of the SH crew have 2 things in common:
1. A tragic past
2. A dream (ultimate goal)Jinbe qualifies for #1 but not #2. You could say that a goal of his is to carry on the will of Otohime and have Fishmen and Mermen migrate to the above world, but I don't see how he could accomplish that by joining the SH crew. Joining the revolutionaries and overthrowing the corrupt government would be more logical.
Edit: Actually, there's a third thing that all members share in common:
3. A unique and lovable personality that separates him/her from the rest of the crew.
Jinbe is a good guy, but his personality is quite bland compared to the rest of the SHs.
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I am a little bit confused with the G-5 marines, as it was stated they have no order and presumably no discipline, they are more or less like Pirates heck they even look like them(I think they are the first marines we have ever seen acting this way), So why are they still functioning if Akainu is the Fleet admiral, I don't think he is the type that can condone such behavior from his men and especially leaving them in a Marine base, I don't know they don't seem to fit into what I pictured the Marines to be when we heard Akainu was fleet Admiral.
There are also some confusing things about Jinbei. Basically, unless I am wrong, he kind of "gave" FI to big Mum, and I don't get why, Fishman Island was whitebeards territory and unless they were disbanded the Whitebeard pirates should be defending his territories, but Jinbei kind of ignored this and asked Big Mum for help?? I don't know something just doesn't add up, and why did Blackbeard allow Big Mum to take such a valuable and strategic territory, since he has apparently conquered most of the others, why did he leave FI alone long enough for Jinbei to make his deal with Big Mum?
Isn't jinbei leaving with the straw hats and inevitably going up against Big mum kind of make him become an oath breaker? because I am assuming the candy thing was part of the agreement that Jinbei obviously consented to, so him claiming to be going against Big Mum to me seems kind of out of character.HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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I am a little bit confused with the G-5 marines, as it was stated they have no order and presumably no discipline, they are more or less like Pirates heck they even look like them(I think they are the first marines we have ever seen acting this way), So why are they still functioning if Akainu is the Fleet admiral, I don't think he is the type that can condone such behavior from his men and especially leaving them in a Marine base, I don't know they don't seem to fit into what I pictured the Marines to be when we heard Akainu was fleet Admiral.
Akainu personally executed many marines who were fleeing during the war. He isn't someone who is by-the-book. He likely set G5 in it's current form personally.
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"yeah well this still doesn't prove anything"
The phrase that will be uttered by deniers even as Jinbe and his fellow strawhats lay anchors at raftel.
As for the G-5, it's a dumping ground, it's where the undesirable goes, Makes sense that they'd be undisciplined and unruly.
After all being thrown into the new world is basicly a punishment, it's pirate land and the marines have to fight to even keep a foothold there.
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I am a little bit confused with the G-5 marines, as it was stated they have no order and presumably no discipline, they are more or less like Pirates heck they even look like them(I think they are the first marines we have ever seen acting this way), So why are they still functioning if Akainu is the Fleet admiral, I don't think he is the type that can condone such behavior from his men and especially leaving them in a Marine base, I don't know they don't seem to fit into what I pictured the Marines to be when we heard Akainu was fleet Admiral.
There are also some confusing things about Jinbei. Basically, unless I am wrong, he kind of "gave" FI to big Mum, and I don't get why, Fishman Island was whitebeards territory and unless they were disbanded the Whitebeard pirates should be defending his territories, but Jinbei kind of ignored this and asked Big Mum for help?? I don't know something just doesn't add up, and why did Blackbeard allow Big Mum to take such a valuable and strategic territory, since he has apparently conquered most of the others, why did he leave FI alone long enough for Jinbei to make his deal with Big Mum?
Isn't jinbei leaving with the straw hats and inevitably going up against Big mum kind of make him become an oath breaker? because I am assuming the candy thing was part of the agreement that Jinbei obviously consented to, so him claiming to be going against Big Mum to me seems kind of out of character.Who knows how Akainu might feel about their performance, maybe they get the job done and thats all that matters to him, Smoker certainly didn't seem to care much. Though to be fair he was preoccupied. But since the Marines had such little influence in the New World for so long, they probably never had much of a leader to control them out right. I imagine they were just left to do things as they please resulting in habits that would take for ever to erase.
As for Jinbe regarding FI it does seem a bit odd. What I thought was really weird was that for once he put someone else above FI, his crew, which even surprised Neptune. Jinbe almost made it seem like he just left FI up to chance, considering it was a coincidence that Big Mom decided to protect them.
About the remaining White Beards, I bet they basically disbanded. So without their head figure to guide them I bet many of them have retired.
Since Jinbe will undoubtedly travel with the SHs to meet with Big Mom, my guess is that he will try and be civil with her and discuss their relationship instead of fighting. Though with Luffy around no way that is happening. Still though it get's even more complicated if she actually is Lola's mom and is grateful for her daughter being saved. I have no idea where the Big Mom story is going!
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Jinbe's joining is almost confirmed now, but I still have some doubts.
So far, all members of the SH crew have 2 things in common:
1. A tragic past
2. A dream (ultimate goal)Jinbe qualifies for #1 but not #2. You could say that a goal of his is to carry on the will of Otohime and have Fishmen and Mermen migrate to the above world, but I don't see how he could accomplish that by joining the SH crew. Joining the revolutionaries and overthrowing the corrupt government would be more logical.
Edit: Actually, there's a third thing that all members share in common:
3. A unique and lovable personality that separates him/her from the rest of the crew.
Jinbe is a good guy, but his personality is quite bland compared to the rest of the SHs.
well Brook's "dream" could have been better solved by him just returning to Laboon. Him wanting to protect Luffy because he respects him for all he has done really fits in with his character.
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I am a little bit confused with the G-5 marines, as it was stated they have no order and presumably no discipline, they are more or less like Pirates heck they even look like them(I think they are the first marines we have ever seen acting this way), So why are they still functioning if Akainu is the Fleet admiral, I don't think he is the type that can condone such behavior from his men and especially leaving them in a Marine base, I don't know they don't seem to fit into what I pictured the Marines to be when we heard Akainu was fleet Admiral.
First, it takes time for a new leader to put his "stamp" on an entire army. Regardless of that, you are always going to have people that will not follow orders irregardless of who is in charge.
There are also some confusing things about Jinbei. Basically, unless I am wrong, he kind of "gave" FI to big Mum, and I don't get why, Fishman Island was whitebeards territory and unless they were disbanded the Whitebeard pirates should be defending his territories, but Jinbei kind of ignored this and asked Big Mum for help?? I don't know something just doesn't add up, and why did Blackbeard allow Big Mum to take such a valuable and strategic territory, since he has apparently conquered most of the others, why did he leave FI alone long enough for Jinbei to make his deal with Big Mum?
Isn't jinbei leaving with the straw hats and inevitably going up against Big mum kind of make him become an oath breaker? because I am assuming the candy thing was part of the agreement that Jinbei obviously consented to, so him claiming to be going against Big Mum to me seems kind of out of character.Pure speculation, but I don't think the Whitebeard Pirates are strong enough to proclaim that entire areas in the New World are under their protection. Jinbe did what was best for Fishman Island. Big Mum is an extremely powerful pirate and a great candidate to carry on Whitebeard's role as protector of the island and therefore keep relative peace.
There isn't any important reasons why Blackbeard would care about Fishman Island.
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Who knows how Akainu might feel about their performance, maybe they get the job done and thats all that matters to him, Smoker certainly didn't seem to care much. Though to be fair he was preoccupied. But since the Marines had such little influence in the New World for so long, they probably never had much of a leader to control them out right. I imagine they were just left to do things as they please resulting in habits that would take for ever to erase.
As for Jinbe regarding FI it does seem a bit odd. What I thought was really weird was that for once he put someone else above FI, his crew, which even surprised Neptune. Jinbe almost made it seem like he just left FI up to chance, considering it was a coincidence that Big Mom decided to protect them.
About the remaining White Beards, I bet they basically disbanded. So without their head figure to guide them I bet many of them have retired.
Since Jinbe will undoubtedly travel with the SHs to meet with Big Mom, my guess is that he will try and be civil with her and discuss their relationship instead of fighting. Though with Luffy around no way that is happening. Still though it get's even more complicated if she actually is Lola's mom and is grateful for her daughter being saved. I have no idea where the Big Mom story is going!
Jinbe is a smart guy. I'm sure he didn't simply walk up to Big Mom and say "Please protect us, we have candy". He probably heard of how she loves sweets, if Fishman Island sweets are apparently amazing, so she's probably heard of the reputation behind the candy. Jinbe probably met with her, explained how desperate the island was, and that they are willing to give her their amazingly delicious candy in return for her flag and protection. She agreed on those terms and if the Sun Pirates would work as her allies.
Also remember how much of a self-inflicted kick in the nuts this has been for Jinbe. We know he only really respected Whitebeard and his crew, Ace, and Luffy. He probably has even less respect for Big Mom, and now he has to ask for her protection.
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Excellent chapter as usual, I did not think pekoms would have a devil fruit, but its good they flexed their muscle a little before heading back to the new world. And for some reason i feel like big mom is just gonna eat that chest of bombs for some reason
. Its good to see tashigi and smoker again, its about time they made some headway in their effort to catch luffy and crew. -
Awesome first chapter of 2011! The crew interactions were funny and great, the bomb-in-the-casket is interesting, and everything else was great. Seeing that Caribou's power basically equates to hammerspace is neat too. Pekoms and Tamago are already interesting me a lot, and if the former has a turtle Zoan that'll be quite interesting. Seeing the G-5 unit scene was cool too, nice to start catching up with more characters.
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well Brook's "dream" could have been better solved by him just returning to Laboon. Him wanting to protect Luffy because he respects him for all he has done really fits in with his character.
Jinbe's serious demeanor has potential to be exaggerated for gags as seen with his face faulting and reacting to things Luffy does that the rest of the crew take for granted.Brook was already on a pirate ship traveling through the Grand Line, though. His promise to Laboon was to meet up again -after- he has traveled through the GL. Completing the journey with the SHs before returning to Laboon would make more sense than to simply return now as a failure. Besides, Brook also has a role in the crew: Musician. Everyone else also has a specific role/position. What would Jinbe's role even be?
And a simple occasional face faulting from someone with a serious demeanor, in my humble opinion, isn't unique enough a personality. Especially when you consider everyone else in the crew.
I -would- love for Jinbe to join, but I just don't see his qualifications at the moment.
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Brook was already on a pirate ship traveling through the Grand Line, though.
So was Jinbe.
His promise to Laboon was to meet up again -after- he has traveled through the GL. Completing the journey with the SHs before returning to Laboon would make more sense than to simply return now as a failure. Besides, Brook also has a role in the crew: Musician. Everyone else also has a specific role/position.
because they really need that Archeologist in their day to day activities.
What would Jinbe's role even be?
Lifeguard. Quartermaster. Helmsman. Boatswain. Rigger. Diplomat. Strategist. Fish catcher. Take your pick.
And a simple occasional face faulting from someone with a serious demeanor, in my humble opinion, isn't unique enough a personality. Especially when you consider everyone else in the crew.
He's got plenty of other quirks, check the next nakama thread if you want a full list. He's more serious than the others, which is in and of itself a personality trait.
Robin never facefaults at all, has a morbid sense of humor, and does not go along with anything exceedingly silly, does that mean she doesn't belong on the crew?
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one thing bugs me though.. this is the third (?) time that a hundred million are translated as one billion… Caribous bounty ain't 2 billion is 200 million.
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Who knows how Akainu might feel about their performance, maybe they get the job done and thats all that matters to him, Smoker certainly didn't seem to care much. Though to be fair he was preoccupied. But since the Marines had such little influence in the New World for so long, they probably never had much of a leader to control them out right. I imagine they were just left to do things as they please resulting in habits that would take for ever to erase.
As for Jinbe regarding FI it does seem a bit odd. What I thought was really weird was that for once he put someone else above FI, his crew, which even surprised Neptune. Jinbe almost made it seem like he just left FI up to chance, considering it was a coincidence that Big Mom decided to protect them.
About the remaining White Beards, I bet they basically disbanded. So without their head figure to guide them I bet many of them have retired.
Since Jinbe will undoubtedly travel with the SHs to meet with Big Mom, my guess is that he will try and be civil with her and discuss their relationship instead of fighting. Though with Luffy around no way that is happening. Still though it get's even more complicated if she actually is Lola's mom and is grateful for her daughter being saved. I have no idea where the Big Mom story is going!
Yeah, since its been inferred that Akainu values win at any cost mentality then the G-5 does fit in but again I don't know he basically has a rogue group in his army and he seems like a total control freak to let that happen, but I guess we will find out later.
I also think there is something more to Jinbei and Big Mom's allaince. I just realized that since the Minister knew if the consequences for not having the sweets then it was part of the deal, meaning that since she wasn't taking anything by force it seems that Luffy butted his rubber nose where it didn't belong, he basically disrupted a deal between the two, this might mean that Big Mom isn't necessarily bad, hence she just MIGHT be Lola's mom(am not sure I am even making sense) -
So did Caribou manage to hit Pekoms with the skythe, or did Pekoms send him flying first?
@Gia:
One name, Nico Robin.
Robin is hot so it's ok.
I love this 
Spoiler:
You don't even have to watch them lol.
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Chimney's adorable, but where's Kokoro? I hope she just retired.
Pekoms' comment about cocky logia felt like a small callback to Ace. I loled.
I know it was obvious, but I'm still disappointed that Tashigi has the same exact body as every other pretty woman post-timeskip. Her face reminds me of Shirahoshi's too.
But at least she can kick ass. Hooray! I await the Zoro vs. Tashigi battle with anticipation.
And it's nice to see that Smoker's a VA now too, though looking at him from the back reminded me of Crocodile.
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Lifeguard. Quartermaster. Helmsman. Boatswain. Rigger. Diplomat. Strategist. Fish catcher. Take your pick.
Don't forget Underwater Combatant. Zoro's just plain Combatant, so why not?
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About Jinbei joining. Basically a lot of the crewmembers had a one-note personality before joining the Strawhats and I didn't like some of them at first at all, like Ussop, Brook and Robin, but some good screen time and character development can do wonders. That's why I don't care who joins because eventually they'll grow on you. Be it Shirahoshi, Jinbei or somebody else, if a character joins the crew their guaranteed at least a little character development and thus be likeable.
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@RobbyBevard:
Lifeguard. Quartermaster. Helmsman. Boatswain. Rigger. Diplomat. Strategist. Fish catcher. Take your pick.
Huh, now I'm getting the picture of Jinbei face-vaulting if he sees Brook and Chopper trying to rescue Luffy from drowning.
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Robin has a redeeming quality in that she is like the most important person in the One Piece universe [maybe second]. It's a good thing that the Princess is huge or else she'd be the second [third] most important, and probably part of the crew.
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So Smoker knows how to use Haki consciously, too. That's good. I feared he wouldn't.
Plus I'm sure Baron Tamago is stronger than Pekoms - or else Oda would have shown him fend off Caribou. You may challenge me on this but I think that's only logical.
Plus Jinbe is most probably joining now.
Stuff we all knew ages ago :ninja: -
Robin's definitely the most serious among the current crew, but even she's got a silly side to her, with her morbid comments freaking out the rest of the crew or her mental kitty picture when Kuma introduced the Paw-Paw Fruit. She's just more deadpan about it than the rest. Jimbei's as, if not more, serious in personality as Robin is, though he puts more effort into trying to keep himself serious, so that makes things a bit different. And before the comparison comes up, Zoro's tries to be more serious he actually is (he does some of the dumbest things while completely deadpan)
