@Jewelery:
Or he's Cell.
I'm going with this.
@Jewelery:
Or he's Cell.
I'm going with this.
blackbeard was on his feet taking punishment from sengoku only a few chapters later….and still getting up.
You are saying his punch is stronger than both whitebeards best, and the fleet admiral combined. And no don't try backing out by saying it would now be the same. You said the the kings punch would outright kill an emperor. Lol
That's Phenomonyl you're talking to.
ok so Nami has 2 vivre cards law's crew and lolla's mom what if she ends going to big mom after they get separated by accident?(anyone considered this?)
I keep forgetting about this. I've never seen Thriller Bark in full, so I never quite saw that part.
That would be quite interesting….
I have to admit I've always thought of the "Creature" in Kaidou's epithet as an umbrella term and the "Man" in Newgate's as a subset of that.
In the same way that Mihawk being the "Strongest Swordsman" in the world is a subset of the "Strongest Man".
Also, some people seem to interpret the result of Shanks and Kaidou's altercation as Kaidou running away. I thought it was more that Kaidou saw an opportunity to take down Whitebeard and gain some specific advantage within the New World, and he was confident of being able to achieve such a goal. However, when Shanks interfered, he was left with the option of fighting a battle that he hadn't planned for, which he maybe wasn't as confident of winning (at least not without significant losses) and as a result definitely losing his chances of taking down Whitebeard at that particular moment. Then, having weighed the pros and cons, decided to stand down and fight another day, rather than simply "running away" from Shanks.
I'm going with this.
cool avatar.
@Sick_Fool:
That's Phenomonyl you're talking to.
i thought zeph was phenom though?
i really dont know why you guys argue so much over a title. Its a title given in the OP world which just indicates that someone is strong.
If you guys argue so much about titles then Hancocks is empress and from what i know emperor/empress>king/Queen so that makes Hancock stronger than any Pirate king right?
I guarantee you Shanks is stronger than Kaido.
because you are Oda and you know who is stronger? Such a baseless line :P
Not sure about anything, but it will be a damn shame if Shanks isn't stronger than Kaido and Big Mom :\
Not sure about anything, but it will be a damn shame if Shanks isn't stronger than Kaido and Big Mom :\
Maybe Big Mam but Kaidou is really no push over. At least he better not be. Yonkou are strong man when it comes down to it anyone could win on any given Sunday when it comes to Yonkou and Admirals.
@The:
I'm just throwing this out there, and yeah…it's probably going to sound stupid.
What if Kaido really is just...a creature; a massive creature? Like a large serpentine beast, perhaps a giant sea creature. Perhaps it's been...tamed by someone, a creature tamer of sorts, and they control it (but they, themselves, are pretty weak).
http://bigmonsters.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/1254800141342.jpg?w=840
It could also be a giant mechanical, though life-like, creature. A weaker person inside could control it (like a mech, Oda always said he wanted to do a large-scale mecha series afterall; instead doing One Piece, though such tech is possible in the universe).
Nah. The way people talk about it doesn't sound like he's just a giant beast controlled by someone else. Kaido supposedly said he was going to take Whitebeard's head and Moria called him an "idiot" etc.
About the Strongest Creature thing: We don't know when Kaido gained that title. Maybe it was after WB's death? I think it's very likely that he's currently the strongest living thing.
Oda said it not me. Blackbeard was DOWN FOR THE COUNT when he was earthquaked. What he does after doesn't matter, The Kings punch stated by Oda would do the same.
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What? you are confusing devil fruit abilities with haki.
Again you act as if you don't understand what I meant. Barto created a barrier a physical object that cannot be broken with haki according to you. Law uses a physical objects and makes slashes with it to cut people, and some if they have a much stronger haki than him, can defend and not be cut only becuase of their haki. Now explain the difference and stop changing the subject as you've done both times. Why is it that haki seems to be relevant in one case but not the other, when the only difference is attack and defense, which are both part of the most common source of haki (CoA).
Again you act as if you don't understand what I meant. Barto created a barrier a physical object that cannot be broken with haki according to you. Law uses a physical objects and makes slashes with it to cut people, and some if they have a much stronger haki than him, can defend and not be cut only becuase of their haki. Now explain the difference and stop changing the subject as you've done both times. Why is it that haki seems to be relevant in one case but not the other, when the only difference is attack and defense, which are both part of the most common source of haki (CoA).
CoA is armor. It protects you from Law's power. You can't destroy barriers just by wearing armor.
CoA is armor. It protects you from Law's power. You can't destroy barriers just by wearing armor.
That's not true, it's specifically stated that it is used as a weapon as well. Without CoA, you can't even catch or hit logias, it serves the purpose of both attack and defense.
Ah cool beans, thanks for clarifying, i just got really confused with the term creature. If it is living thing than i totally get where you are coming from. Also does that mean he's stronger than blackbeard, if so yowzers.
It could simply means that he is a human who ate a Zoan DF and we know that Zoan DF gives enormous power to their eater (raw power) combine it with haki to hit logia DF and you will get the strongest creature.
CoA is armor. It protects you from Law's power. You can't destroy barriers just by wearing armor.
Yes, you can because that armor doesn't only protect you from attacks but it also gives more power to your own attacks
That's not true, it's specifically stated that it is used as a weapon as well. Without CoA, you can't even catch or hit logias, it serves the purpose of both attack and defense.
Yes, you can because that armor doesn't only protect you from attacks but it also gives more power to your own attacks
Yeah, it can be used offensively in the same way as Barto uses his barriers (obviously being crushed against a hard "wall" hurts). But if Barto's barriers are indestructible, adding more power won't help.
Yeah, it can be used offensively in the same way as Barto uses his barriers (obviously being crushed against a hard "wall" hurts). But if Barto's barriers are indestructible, adding more power won't help.
The thing is the Barrier isn't indestructible, Law and Vergo are a good example of that while Law has one of the most hax abilities in the One Piece world and we thought he could cut anyone but he can't because If his opponent have greater haki than him, his abilities will be useless and the same can apply to Bartolomeo's barrier, Haki was created for DF like this one also keep in mind that the king punch was a shock wave and not a direct punch
The thing is the Barrier isn't indestructible, Law and Vergo are a good example of that while Law has one of the most hax abilities in the One Piece world and we thought he could cut anyone but he can't because If his opponent have greater haki than him, his abilities will be useless and the same can apply to Bartolomeo's barrier, Haki was created for DF like this one also keep in mind that the king punch was a shock wave and not a direct punch
This. That's why I kinda believe that a direct punch to the face could really hurt a Yonkou and knock him out if he doesn't defend himself with atleast haki
isn't Haki there to put a limit to how hax some DF's can be? :/
Geez, it's really not possible to conclude just what Haki can or cannot do just by what we know now I don't think. Sure, Haki levels the playing field with DF users, but it's not a end-all solution. Vergo was arguably pretty damn good with Haki, especially if that's what made him grow twice his size, but it didn't protect him from Law's df ability at all in the end. I doubt Haki would just immediately break Barts barriers either, that'd just entirely make his fruit useless wouldn't it? :/
So any chance that we will know who or what is in the Sunny in the next chapter?
Geez, it's really not possible to conclude just what Haki can or cannot do just by what we know now I don't think. Sure, Haki levels the playing field with DF users, but it's not a end-all solution. Vergo was arguably pretty damn good with Haki, especially if that's what made him grow twice his size, but it didn't protect him from Law's df ability at all in the end. I doubt Haki would just immediately break Barts barriers either, that'd just entirely make his fruit useless wouldn't it? :/
It looked like shell over his entire body and it seemed like CoA- black hardening- is at its strongest when its directly on skin, not clothing. So Vergo probably hardened his legs with it even in his fight against Sanji. Vergos legs were covered by pants so its only speculation, yet most probably it was that way.
As for Haki breaking Bartolomeos DF barrier- with some good CoA I do think that its totally possible to shatter that barriers of his. Btw its not making his fruit uselles coz we didnt saw what he is capable with it beside blocking and one flying attack at Elizabello 2nd and its not like haki steals or turns off DF ability- just look at first time when Luffy and Cesar Crown meet.
So any chance that we will know who or what is in the Sunny in the next chapter?
I hope so.. Personally, I think
[hide][/hide]is on the ship.
Aohige/ or CCC said that the speech bubbles were of a child iirc, and it would make sense for Doffy to send her when you look at who'son the ship right now (Momo, Chopper, Nami, Brook).. I doubt they'd be very suspicious of her, which would work to her advantage.
Geez, it's really not possible to conclude just what Haki can or cannot do just by what we know now I don't think. Sure, Haki levels the playing field with DF users, but it's not a end-all solution. Vergo was arguably pretty damn good with Haki, especially if that's what made him grow twice his size, but it didn't protect him from Law's df ability at all in the end. I doubt Haki would just immediately break Barts barriers either, that'd just entirely make his fruit useless wouldn't it? :/
That's because Law improved his haki considerably from the last time they fought, this was basically showing that despite Vergo being a monster haki user, Law has also gotten to such a high level. Law's cut can be defended, otherwise Law wouldn't need Luffy as part of his alliance. He would solo everyone all by himself and become a Yonko in no time.
I hope so.. Personally, I think
[hide]http://25.media.tumblr.com/9b6e2f6db04d0ee8933acb23644e6da7/tumblr_mn3w6aX2aW1rtpszvo1_250.png[/hide]is on the ship.Aohige/ or CCC said that the speech bubbles were of a child iirc, and it would make sense for Doffy to send her when you look at who'son the ship right now (Momo, Chopper, Nami, Brook).. I doubt they'd be very suspicious of her, which would work to her advantage.
Though she knowing the ship,where it is and and enter in the ship witouth no one to noticed is kinda unlikely but if is from the dofla family that we already know she is the one with the highest chance.
This. That's why I kinda believe that a direct punch to the face could really hurt a Yonkou and knock him out if he doesn't defend himself with atleast haki
but the thing is that the punch is not meant to be a direct hit, I see this punch more as clean up than anything else, he can only use it once and I don't believe that it will put a lot of damage in big player even If they get hit by it.
@NER:
isn't Haki there to put a limit to how hax some DF's can be? :/
Yes, it was created for those hax DF
Geez, it's really not possible to conclude just what Haki can or cannot do just by what we know now I don't think. Sure, Haki levels the playing field with DF users, but it's not a end-all solution. Vergo was arguably pretty damn good with Haki, especially if that's what made him grow twice his size, but it didn't protect him from Law's df ability at all in the end. I doubt Haki would just immediately break Barts barriers either, that'd just entirely make his fruit useless wouldn't it? :/
It didn't protect him because Laws haki was greater than his own this time around but in the past Law couldn't cut him and we are not saying that Haki will brake his barrier right away unless the haki user is strong enough (Raw power and a powerful haki) should do it but Bartolomeo can also be defeated by speed, just like Law, so assuming that we have Jesus (Raw power + Haki) and Luffy (raw power + speed+ haki) there's no way Barto will get away from this
It didn't protect him because Laws haki was greater than his own this time around but in the past Law couldn't cut him and we are not saying that Haki will brake his barrier right away unless the haki user is strong enough (Raw power and a powerful haki) should do it but Bartolomeo can also be defeated by speed, just like Law, so assuming that we have Jesus (Raw power + Haki) and Luffy (raw power + speed+ haki) there's no way Barto will get away from this
Well I do think that it was more of Laws DF power>Vergos haki than Laws Haki>Vergos Haki- if Laws haki was greater for me it would end up with Vergo being cut in half in bloody way, not ope ope no mi way. But thats only IMO.
Though she knowing the ship,where it is and and enter in the ship witouth no one to noticed is kinda unlikely but if is from the dofla family that we already know she is the one with the highest chance.
Well, the crew is on Doflamingo's territory and for all we know he could have known where and when just from having people watch the coast. The perfect opportunity to sneak on the ship would have been chapter 701 when the crew had just landed and were looking over the map of Dressrosa, but she/whoever it is could have just gotten on without any of the four noticing, really.
Well I do think that it was more of Laws DF power>Vergos haki than Laws Haki>Vergos Haki- if Laws haki was greater for me it would end up with Vergo being cut in half in bloody way, not ope ope no mi way. But thats only IMO.
Law imbued Haki in his DF attack, so even though he cut Vergo using Haki his DF will always have the edge on this sort of thing
Well, the crew is on Doflamingo's territory and for all we know he could have known where and when just from having people watch the coast. The perfect opportunity to sneak on the ship would have been chapter 701 when the crew had just landed and were looking over the map of Dressrosa, but she/whoever it is could have just gotten on without any of the four noticing, really.
don't you think that If he knew where they would be, he will just go there and no sent a mere child, when he already knows what Law is capable of?
Well, the crew is on Doflamingo's territory and for all we know he could have known where and when just from having people watch the coast. The perfect opportunity to sneak on the ship would have been chapter 701 when the crew had just landed and were looking over the map of Dressrosa, but she/whoever it is could have just gotten on without any of the four noticing, really.
I like your theory, but it might also be Fairies.
don't you think that If he knew where they would be, he will just go there and no sent a mere child, when he already knows what Law is capable of?
Not at all, actually.. I think he's set up a certain plan to separate and deal with them and it's already in progress. Sure, he knows what Law's capable of, but he's also successfully separated them, knows when/where he and Caesar will be, and is generally more interested in Luffy. Having the girl infiltrate the crew/get aboard the ship without them knowing who she is gets him information and someone close to the crew.
I like your theory, but it might also be Fairies.
I thought it was a fairy until Aohige/CCC pointed out the speech pattern. We've already had a panel of one speek and they didn't compare or say anything about it, just that whoever is on the ship is a child most likely.
Not at all, actually.. I think he's set up a certain plan to separate the crew and it's already in progress. Sure, he knows what Law's capable of, but he's also successfully separated them, knows when/where he and Caesar will be, and is generally more interested in Luffy. Having the girl infiltrate the crew/get aboard the ship without them knowing who she is gets him information and someone close to the crew.
I thought it was a fairy until Aohige/CCC pointed out the speech pattern. We've already had a panel of one speek and they didn't compare or say anything about it, just that whoever is on the ship is a child most likely.
It could be a fairy child.:ninja:
It would explain why is so clumsy unlike the one who was able to steal from zoro without he notice until she was in the window.
When I think about it, Bartolomeos ability might be setup to force Luffy to use his DF and reveal his identity. I seriously doubt that he's at level to beat his barrier without using DF powers. Unless he's way faster than Bartolomeo and can attack him before he adjusts barrier. My point is- haki doesn't cancel DF ability, question is what is his barrier made from, to answer if it really can be broken. Maybe it completely disorts space and is unbreakable, just a possibility.
And even if it can be broken, Luffy will have use DF power to echance strength of his attacks. I think.
I have a hunch kaido is a crocodile devil fruit user :3
I have a hunch kaido is a crocodile devil fruit user :3
Yes, one of the most important antagonists in the story will have a generic Zoan. I wish Oda would retire and let you write One Piece.
Ooooooh now we got drama.
I have a hunch kaido is a crocodile devil fruit user :3
What makes you think that? I can't see it myself but I'm interested to hear your reasons.
I feel like making assumptions about barto who we've seen use his ability in two chapters so far is futile, I'd assume that his barriers are breakable. But then again we have fruits like laws that are retardedly strong. So unbreakable barriers is really nothing, especially in the nw where people can make their skin like metal. I think the snag is the limits of the barriers how he can move them, where he can place them, etc. I doubt he can place barriers inbetween things, cause he seemed a bit concerned when Bellamy grabbed him. Luckily the king saved him from us seeing what might happen.
I also think Luffy vs Barto will be futile, he is rubber, and barto is walls basically its like putting a tennis ball with an ridiculous amount of momentum in a box. I think Barto will be allied to luffy through ways luffy doesn't know, like a former member of the WBs, a fan, or a revolutionary. His character quirk seems to be an extreme lack of manners (or a teenage delinquent), but despite that I think hes a good guy.
I just want to see the fighting lion, bull, and the mummy in block c.
I have a hunch kaido is a crocodile devil fruit user :3
I think you're a troll, hasn't it been stated kaidou isn't human. Or he is literally a beast. I doubt any of the yonkou have mundane fruits or abilities.
What makes you think that? I can't see it myself but I'm interested to hear your reasons.
cUZ CRONCODILES R COOL! XD
lol you guys, I said a hunch, nothing more
Yes, one of the most important antagonists in the story will have a generic Zoan. I wish Oda would retire and let you write One Piece.
Since when did a person need a devil fruit to be powerful? (shanks, silver and maybe roger)
no need to be an asshole about it >_> honestly, it's not like I am forcing my opinion down your throat
What makes you think that? I can't see it myself but I'm interested to hear your reasons.
Sure! well, I know that dragon quest is very popular in Japan, when it had a manga " Dai No Daiboken" The Advantures of Dai I guess (don't know japanese)
it had 5 main armies as enemies and each had a main antagonist leader
"Hundred Beast Regiment, The Undead Knights Regiment, Ice and Fire Demon Regiment, Sorcerer Regiment, Super Dragon Regiment" The Hundred Beast one have Crocodine, a massive anthropomorphic crocodile as their leader. Basically A crocodile man wielding as axe, he was the mightiest beast.
Since I was a big fan, Hundred beast kaido, one thing led to the other. there you go :p
I know it might sound lame, but Oda is always there to surprise us where we least expect it.
Thanks for being polite about it.
Edit: Guys, really, if you thought I was a troll you should have just ignored me, I don't know what I did wrong, since when is a zoan someone weak? I thought that lion turtle dude made it clear not to take them lightly.
Sure! well, I know that dragon quest is very popular in Japan, when it had a manga " Dai No Daiboken" The Advantures of Dai I guess (don't know japanese)
it had 5 main armies as enemies and each had a main antagonist leader
"Hundred Beast Regiment, The Undead Knights Regiment, Ice and Fire Demon Regiment, Sorcerer Regiment, Super Dragon Regiment" The Hundred Beast one have Crocodine is a massive anthropomorphic crocodile as their leader. Basically A crocodile man wielding as axe, he was the mightiest beast.Since I was a big fan, Hundred beast kaido, one thing led to the other. there you go :p
I know it might sound lame, but Oda is always there to surprise us where we least expect it.
Thanks for being polite about it.
Sir Crocodile already has a crocodile theme, there's no need for Oda to be redundant, especially for an antagonist of Kaido's caliber.
I support the theory that Kaido is based on Sun Wukong.
Sir Crocodile already has a crocodile theme, there's no need for Oda to be redundant, especially for an antagonist of Kaido's caliber.
I support the theory that Kaido is based on Sun Wukong.
Which means he might be a monkey guy like those 2 back from jaya (masira was one of the names I believe), Oda did mention that he might introduce a new race officially soon, so dunno. (unless he meant the long legs tribes introduced with blue gilly, you racist oda!)
if not, he might be someone with a Monkey/gorilla Devil fruit, I believe if he was human then he should have a zoan devil fruit since it's the devil fruit type with the beasts theme.
Which means he might be a monkey guy like those 2 back from jaya (masira was one of the names I believe), Oda did mention that he might introduce a new race officially soon, so dunno.
if not, he might be someone with a Monkey/gorilla Devil fruit, I believe if he was human then he should have a zoan devil fruit since it's the devil fruit type with the beasts theme.
Actually, I think he's the same race as Bepo and Pekoms (probably Minkmen), but a monkey variation.
Not at all, actually.. I think he's set up a certain plan to separate and deal with them and it's already in progress. Sure, he knows what Law's capable of, but he's also successfully separated them, knows when/where he and Caesar will be, and is generally more interested in Luffy. Having the girl infiltrate the crew/get aboard the ship without them knowing who she is gets him information and someone close to the crew.
I thought it was a fairy until Aohige/CCC pointed out the speech pattern. We've already had a panel of one speek and they didn't compare or say anything about it, just that whoever is on the ship is a child most likely.
But the problem is without them knowing but I can definitely see a child in there, from PH may be, who knows
@Toucan:
Sir Crocodile already has a crocodile theme, there's no need for Oda to be redundant, especially for an antagonist of Kaido's caliber.
I support the theory that Kaido is based on Sun Wukong.
Rebelling against heaven ahh.
Kaido is from one of the sky slands… say no one ever
@Miss:
cUZ CRONCODILES R COOL! XD
I kind find no flaw with this argument.
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lol you guys, I said a hunch, nothing more
Since when did a person need a devil fruit to be powerful? (shanks, silver and maybe roger)
no need to be an asshole about it >_> honestly, it's not like I am forcing my opinion down your throatSure! well, I know that dragon quest is very popular in Japan, when it had a manga " Dai No Daiboken" The Advantures of Dai I guess (don't know japanese)
it had 5 main armies as enemies and each had a main antagonist leader
"Hundred Beast Regiment, The Undead Knights Regiment, Ice and Fire Demon Regiment, Sorcerer Regiment, Super Dragon Regiment" The Hundred Beast one have Crocodine, a massive anthropomorphic crocodile as their leader. Basically A crocodile man wielding as axe, he was the mightiest beast.Since I was a big fan, Hundred beast kaido, one thing led to the other. there you go :p
I know it might sound lame, but Oda is always there to surprise us where we least expect it.
Thanks for being polite about it.Edit: Guys, really, if you thought I was a troll you should have just ignored me, I don't know what I did wrong, since when is a zoan someone weak? I thought that lion turtle dude made it clear not to take them lightly.
That's actually pretty interesting, I had no idea about anything Dragon Quest related. As much as it is probably coincidental, I've heard that Oda is meant to be a big gaming fan and had you asked me about a month ago whether Oda would ever reference "trolling" in any way within One Piece I would have scoffed, so this isn't exactly completely outside the realms of possibility.
It would also fit with the whole idea that the more bloodthirsty the animal, the more suited to combat it's zoan counterpart is.
But like Toucan said, it's hard to see Oda doubling up with the theme of a Crocodile.
But like Toucan said, it's hard to see Oda doubling up with the theme of a Crocodile.
Yeah, that did not occur to me before he mentioned it (don't know why, I focused more on the bananas on the crocs heads back then XD).
But it's still a possibility, so who knows, maybe a crocodile zoan dude might be the leader of his artificial devil fruit army.
Yeah, that did not occur to me before he mentioned it (don't know why, I focused more on the bananas on the crocs heads back then XD).
But it's still a possibility, so who knows, maybe a crocodile zoan dude might be the leader of his artificial devil fruit army.
Judging from this page, it's clear that we'll see many new Zoans in Kaido's army. It's more than likely that we'll see a crocodile Zoan.
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God I love that line about how it chills caesar's blood to think of such a force.
But the problem is without them knowing but I can definitely see a child in there, from PH may be, who knows
See, that to me makes much less sense than what I'm saying and kinda defeats the purpose of your first statement. Having a one of the PH kids stowaway on board (in the mens quarters) for an entire night without anybody realizing it doesn't sit right.. but having the girl from Doffy's crew hop on board when either A. the whole crew was off the ship in 701, or a bit later when it's just Momo, Chopper, Nami and Brook just seems more possible..
I don't know, it's just an idea that popped into my head so I'm probably wrong.
Yes, one of the most important antagonists in the story will have a generic Zoan. I wish Oda would retire and let you write One Piece.
Because Rob Lucci wasn't a generic zoan.
Though I don't agree with the random theory, it's his hunch. It's not like he's shoving it into everyone's throats. There was no need to be a jerk, Foxy.
@400MillionBelis:
Because Rob Lucci wasn't a generic zoan.
Though I don't agree with the random theory, it's his hunch. It's not like he's shoving it into everyone's throats. There was no need to be a jerk, Foxy.
This.
Also I love how I see a bunny in the army of SMILE users. LOL.